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BeanSoldier
04-18-2006, 01:36 PM
Will be added to the next write: NA Power Stage 2

Pipe Info:
- Manufactured by Thermal Research and Development, sold by Draxas
- $85 + shipping (used to be $100 shipped). Not too over priced for a perfectly straight pipe and a flange. Wished they updated this (with 2 flanges) and their adapter pipe to connect with flanges to make switching in minutes not an hour or more (takes a long time to \"slip\" the adapter pipe out of the resonator if it\'s lodged in 4 inches to prevent any leaks).
- The hanger is slightly smaller than the adapter pipe\'s so it won\'t dig into your insulation
- Mine didn\'t come with hardware. I had to go to home depot to buy bolts (1 1/2), nuts (3/8 [one for the 14mm socket]), 4 washers, and 2 lock washers.
- Can be installed into stock exhaust piping. Muffler shop just needs to weld the necessary reducers to gradually connect it to the stock piping.

Initial engine start up / idle / smell:
- Cold (morning) start: There\'s a quick growl in the cabin just when it starts - never get tired of it :)
- Warm start: Sounds the same as base kit- just a tiny bit louder
- Idle: QUIET and DEEP like base kit. Outside, you have to be about a foot away from the tip to really hear it (you\'ll hear it in the cabin of course), exhaust pulses are much stronger, and it SMELLS LIKE STOCK.

Gears 1-3/R:
Loud. From a stop, you\'ll need even more gas to get going compared to the base kit. Reverse is even zippier than base (now if I only got that oomph going the other way). Letting off the throttle and having it engine break rewards you with popping (a small backfire), happens much more than the base kit. Rev it high on 1st, and it almost sounds like the HKS. I found that shifting off from 1st at 2-2.5k is best for both sound and acceleration. Doesn\'t feel like there\'s any torque at 1st gear at a higher RPM than 3k anyway.

Gears 4-5:
Not too bad, almost sounds like the base kit at low rpm. The sound seems to be mostly controlled by the throttle position now instead of just engine speed. The sound delta is not linear like the base- its more sudden, so going from ¼ throttle to ½, your exhaust immediately lets you and your passengers know what throttle position you have. 3k on 5th cruising in the freeway sounds like base- you only need a volume of 5-6 to hear your music. Letting off the throttle at 4th/5th gives you an occasional popping sound, which never happens with the base kit.

Mileage:
Less exhaust restriction = better mileage. Let’s just say I finally broke 28mpg with the RX8 wheels (stock 26mpg / base 27mpg)…. Oh, and this is with 6 WOT dyno runs.

Pics:
The stock cat is very restrictive. You can only see the light at the end if directly in front of a light source. Pics are below the dynos.

Weight:
Draxas base kit: 29lbs + 3lb race pipe = 32lbs
Stock exhaust: 26lbs + 9lb cat = 35lbs (cat felt so much heavier though)

Dyno Runs:
The only thing different from the last dyno is the race pipe. I kept the stock lugs just for consistency. Dyno guy was very surprised of the gains. Yes folks, the stock cat was just that restrictive. I can only imagine how much power is gained by putting in the header and removing the first cat. I also no longer have an A/F curve. It’s now pretty much flat until the VVT begins to kick in at 4700. Let me remind everyone again that these are with the heavy RX8 wheels, SAE Corrected at 4500ft. 76 87oct gas. 5-20w oil Mobil 1 i think (EZLube, can\'t find my receipts at the moment). Dyno pics show which mods were installed during the test.

Video (DivX5.1 video codec) now THIS is a sound clip :)
3rd gear run: http://media.putfile.com/beanrp3rd
4th gear run: http://media.putfile.com/beanrp4th (a compressor in another room 30 ft away turned on, but the exhaust is still louder)
Dyno runs were taken indoors, of course, so the sound bounces around quite a bit like reving your engine in a parking lot structure

Cold start: http://media.putfile.com/racecoldstart2
Warm start: http://media.putfile.com/racewarmstart
Race Pipe drive by: http://media.putfile.com/racedriveby

Night time Base kit drive by http://media.putfile.com/basedriveby
Night time slowing to a stop http://media.putfile.com/base30-0

Compare the start ups with the stock/base kit sound: http://media.putfile.com/beanexhaustbeforeafter
(taken from my Draxas Base 9hp/11tq thread http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=30097.0)

Sounds similar, yes? :)



GAINS OVER STOCK EXHAUST:
GAINS OVER STOCK EXHAUST:
3rd Gear Run
peak gains: 14hp/17tq (old:137hp/136tq | new 149hp/148tq)
max hp gains: 14hp @ 6400
max tq gains: 17tq @ 4200
usable hp: really noticeable gains start at @ 3500
useable tq: really noticeable gainst from @ 3500-5000

GAINS OVER BASE DRAXAS EXHAUST
3rd Gear Run
peak gains: 8hp/5tq (old:140hp/143tq | new 149hp/148tq)
max hp gains: 10hp @ 6400
max tq gains: 8tq @ 6400
usable hp: gains around 4-6hp @ 4000-5000
useable tq: gains around 5-6tq @ 3500-5000

4th Gear Run
peak gains: 9hp/6tq (old: 136hp/143tq | new 146hp/148tq)
max hp gains: 12hp @ 6200
max tq gains: 9tq @ 4700
usable hp: steady increase from 4-10hp @ 2900-4700
usable tq: steady increase from 5tq-9tq @ 2900-4700

* #s rounded to the nearest whole

3RD GEAR RACE vs BASE
http://i2.tinypic.com/so5xd4.gif

4TH GEAR RACE vs BASE
http://i2.tinypic.com/so5xna.gif

3RD GEAR RACE vs BASE vs STOCK EXHAUST
http://i2.tinypic.com/so5xjq.gif

stock
http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13371/cat-race.jpg
race


draxasracedyno

CoolColombian
04-18-2006, 10:13 PM
Nice to seeing you here, welcome to the forum.

Please correct me if i\'m wrong, the race pipe will just replace the second cat allowing the engine to flow more exhaust gases thru the stock exhaust system keeping the rest of the components giving you gains of 10-14 WHP without getting a complete cat back exhaust sys???

What abut CEL issues and emissions?

wtom
04-19-2006, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by CoolColombian

Please correct me if i\'m wrong, the race pipe will just replace the second cat allowing the engine to flow more exhaust gases thru the stock exhaust system keeping the rest of the components giving you gains of 10-14 WHP without getting a complete cat back exhaust sys???

What abut CEL issues and emissions?

Race pipe is only for the Draxas aftermarket cat-back exhaust system. The pipe diameter is different from the stock pipe diameter. Yes it will replace the portion where a catalytic converter would normally be. Technically you can just replace the stock cat with a straight pipe that fits like a glove in the stock exhaust system, welded together.

No CEL issues as there is no sensors along our exhaust line. Straight pipe is officially off-road use ONLY. You *MAY* pass emmissions with just the header cat, but definitely no promises.

BeanSoldier
04-19-2006, 02:20 AM
Originally posted by CoolColombian


Nice to seeing you here, welcome to the forum.

Please correct me if i\'m wrong, the race pipe will just replace the second cat allowing the engine to flow more exhaust gases thru the stock exhaust system keeping the rest of the components giving you gains of 10-14 WHP without getting a complete cat back exhaust sys???

What abut CEL issues and emissions?

Finally, a friendly welcome :) Anywayz, Nik from draxas said that the Race Pipe can work with any of the exhaust kits out that don\'t replace the 2nd cat with little modification. New PZEV 3s will require a tiny bit of work because it has 3 o2 sensors, while most 3s have just 2 sensors.

You can have it installed over your stock exhaust, but that\'s like drinking from a two liter soda (power) bottle with a straw (stock exhaust). You\'ll get some power, but not a lot, unless you get a bigger straw :)

LegoMan
04-19-2006, 07:45 AM
This all looks promising, but what is the price for it all?

BeanSoldier
04-19-2006, 11:19 AM
https://secure23.bottomlinecom.net/draxas_com/store/product_info.php?cPath=43_51&products_id=26&osCsid =f4d76a3a7577dfc0047e41d65e9f9f14

it\'s listed at $555.00US at draxas.com

SABIO
04-19-2006, 03:33 PM
Silly boy.. Just Get the Vibrant. $600CDN can\'t be beat.
That\'s the perk of having Vibrant pretty much next door :)

FLIPDADY
04-19-2006, 03:36 PM
Mazdaspeed exhaust to keep with the Mazda theme.

Too many Vibrant and Draxas systems out there.;)

CoolColombian
04-19-2006, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the info Beansoldier, i would like to try Mazdaspeed exhaust with Draxas race pipe!!

SABIO
04-19-2006, 04:03 PM
Any local exhuast shop can whip you up a Cat delete pipe for $20-$30. Zorro Muffler seems like the place to go.
And if it makes you feel better.... You can call it a *Race Pipe

CoolColombian
04-19-2006, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by SABIO


Any local exhuast shop can whip you up a Cat delete pipe for $20-$30. Zorro Muffler seems like the place to go.
And if it makes you feel better.... You can call it a *Race Pipe

jajaja, yes you are rigth, the only difference between the draxas race pipe and a 304 s.s. straight pipe is the cost $$$, i wasn\'t thinking when i wrote it!!

BeanSoldier
04-19-2006, 05:32 PM
Originally posted by CoolColombian



Originally posted by SABIO


Any local exhuast shop can whip you up a Cat delete pipe for $20-$30. Zorro Muffler seems like the place to go.
And if it makes you feel better.... You can call it a *Race Pipe

jajaja, yes you are rigth, the only difference between the draxas race pipe and a 304 s.s. straight pipe is the cost $$$, i wasn\'t thinking when i wrote it!!

it\'s easier to have it done in Canada. It looks like you have no emission laws. As for the US, people normally have to bribe the shop to make one as it is not legal.

SABIO
04-19-2006, 05:59 PM
We have emission laws. And emissions testing.
Put whatever you want on your car...it\'s your choice. Just be prepared to pay the ticket(s), usually a couple hundred $$$$ if you get caught.;)

active3s
04-20-2006, 10:45 PM
Originally posted by FLIPSPEED


Mazdaspeed exhaust to keep with the Mazda theme.

Too many Vibrant and Draxas systems out there.;)
Is the MAZDASPEED Exhaust any good compared to the Vibrant or Draxxas systems?

triplezoom
04-20-2006, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by 3sActice



Originally posted by FLIPSPEED


Mazdaspeed exhaust to keep with the Mazda theme.

Too many Vibrant and Draxas systems out there.;)
Is the MAZDASPEED Exhaust any good compared to the Vibrant or Draxxas systems?

Based on what Ive read, if you want performance and powergain... chances are you may want to consider the HKS/Vibrant/Draxxas systems. Now if your into something that is rather inexpensive, nice sounding, and isnt too loud.. then definately go for the the mazdaspeed exhaust. Im stuck deciding which one to get for myself. :D

Kevin@nextmod
04-20-2006, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by triplezoom



Originally posted by 3sActice



Originally posted by FLIPSPEED


Mazdaspeed exhaust to keep with the Mazda theme.

Too many Vibrant and Draxas systems out there.;)
Is the MAZDASPEED Exhaust any good compared to the Vibrant or Draxxas systems?

Based on what Ive read, if you want performance and powergain... chances are you may want to consider the HKS/Vibrant/Draxxas systems. Now if your into something that is rather inexpensive, nice sounding, and isnt too loud.. then definately go for the the mazdaspeed exhaust. Im stuck deciding which one to get for myself. :D
C\'mon triplezoom, I know you want something agressive. Go for the HKS bolt on.

FLIPDADY
04-21-2006, 08:00 AM
Originally posted by 3sActice



Originally posted by FLIPSPEED


Mazdaspeed exhaust to keep with the Mazda theme.

Too many Vibrant and Draxas systems out there.;)
Is the MAZDASPEED Exhaust any good compared to the Vibrant or Draxxas systems?
Good enough for me!

Plus it feels good to be the only hatch so far with the MS exhaust.;)

cyberscorpi0
04-24-2006, 01:55 PM
Hey Flipspeed, How\'s the sound on MS Exhaust? Is it aggressive as they claim to be? I\'m also undecided between VP and MS.:(