CSCS Aug 9 @ Cayuga/TMP *Pics & Vid*

[Fobio]

Wow...what a day at Cayuga/Toronto Motorsports Park! It couldn't have happened any better for the MS3 guys even if we planned it... :chuckle

How many MS3's do you see?

http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5IaWtusgI/AAAAAAAAA50/9uau8LGonuU/s800/P1020471.JPG

Much more to come...pics, vids, timing...:bana2

Personal highlights:

1. Met and ran with mleblond...it's a long time coming buddy!
2. Ran with silvermist99 and showed him what an "older" guy can do with a little more room...
3. Met, ran with, gotten passed by and picked up tips from Big Dad...
4. Saw my first live drag race...again not my thing, but wow, it's a great adrenaline rush seeing/hearing/smelling and literally feeling the power of real drag cars...
5. Seeing MPS's ride...

and finally...

6. the impromptu MS3 meet :bana

[Unoriginalusername]

nice, sub'd for more pics/videos. how did the mpsers do at the time trials?

[Fobio]

I'll let others post their respective timings...these are my UNOFFICIAL times that I've logged with MaxQData:

Time attack, 3 hot laps:

RunFobio021.mqd
Lap times (in lap order)
Lap Time
1 1:29.230
2 1:28.512
3 1:28.705

Best lapping:

Last lap of the day before the rain came in...maybe that's the reason...

RunFobio022.mqd
Lap times (in lap order)
Lap Time
5 1:27.331

The fastest MS3 of the day should be lapping around ~1:25 min or 85 sec.

[Unoriginalusername]

I'll let others post their respective timings...these are my UNOFFICIAL times that I've logged with MaxQData:

Time attack, 3 hot laps:

RunFobio021.mqd
Lap times (in lap order)
Lap Time
1 1:29.230
2 1:28.512
3 1:28.705

Best lapping:

Last lap of the day before the rain came in...maybe that's the reason...

RunFobio022.mqd
Lap times (in lap order)
Lap Time
5 1:27.331

The fastest MS3 of the day should be lapping around ~1:25 min or 85 sec.

what was the fastest street class cars lap time?

[Fobio]

I wasn't paying attn to other cars...and they don't post timings like AutoX (some dude shouted out that it usually takes weeks for CSCS to publish it online, hence the benefit of your own timing)...we all also had to leave cuz the skies opened...so no one stuck around for trophy presentation...but if someone did, please share!

Anyway...this is what I think is very true said by Big Dad in the original post:


The track is not that abrasive and it is by far the best "import" event in Canada, I strongly recomend it to all. Let us make a strong Mazda presence. See you all there. I recomend that you preregister because the road course tends to book up fast and it is great fun.

Surprisingly, this track was very nice to my tires (I'm not speaking for everyone as another TR MS3 not on this board chunked his stock tires being aggressive on the curbs)...but the flip side of this is that this track is relatively slick compared to all the other tracks I've been to in Ontario...last track on the list for me is Shannonville for this year!

EDIT: Also, very true about pre-registration if you're interested for the next run, cuz when we got there, there was 8 on waiting list and they were turning ppl away...

[SpeedBaby]

what was the fastest street class cars lap time?
big dad got 1st place for time attack (i don't have the numbers so i'll let him post them)

[Unoriginalusername]

ISurprisingly, this track was very nice to my tires (I'm not speaking for everyone as another TR MS3 not on this board chunked his stock tires being aggressive on the curbs)...but the flip side of this is that this track is relatively slick compared to all the other tracks I've been to in Ontario...last track on the list for me is Shannonville for this year!

TR's Vlad, silvemist, pk?... mps's tires aren't stock, dunno who pk is... silver you need to visit allen at simply tire soon :chuckle ?

[Fobio]

big dad got 1st place for time attack (i don't have the numbers so i'll let him post them)

WOW...really!? +1000 props...that man is fast...he made ground on me at every point on the track, from the beginning of a straight thru braking...if he had a passenger seat, I'd have asked for a ride!


TR's Vlad, silvemist, pk?... mps's tires aren't stock, dunno who pk is... silver you need to visit allen at simply tire soon :chuckle ?

No...it wasn't silvermist99...he babies his car...I met this other guy who's also a car nut, but he's from Milton...hopefully, we'll get him on here as he's got lotsa karting experience and all around track nut...

[SpeedBaby]

I WANT PICS!!!! since i couldn't make it out this time, gotta see at least something

[Unoriginalusername]

WOW...really!? +1000 props...that man is fast...he made ground on me at every point on the track, from the beginning of a straight thru braking...if he had a passenger seat, I'd have asked for a ride!
i thought you had to have a passenger seat to stay in the street stock class?
http://cscs.ca/images/rulebook/2008%20cscs%20time%20attack%20rulesbook.pdf
-Passenger seat cannot be entirely removed.



No...it wasn't silvermist99...he babies his car...I met this other guy who's also a car nut, but he's from Milton...hopefully, we'll get him on here as he's got lotsa karting experience and all around track nut...
Glad to hear, sounds like a fun day

[Fobio]

i thought you had to have a passenger seat to stay in the street stock class?

Glad to hear, sounds like a fun day

ahem...and I quote the guy doing inspection:

"We had to re-class you guys (MS3's) under Super Street cuz you guys are spanking the Stock Honda guys..."

'nuff said... :whoa:flaming:bang:loco:complain

but hey...look what Big Dad did! for those who care, he's on Stage 2+ power and running R-compounds...plus he also drags the MS3! :bana

[Unoriginalusername]

ahem...and I quote the guy doing inspection:

"We had to re-class you guys (MS3's) under Super Street cuz you guys are spanking the Stock Honda guys..."

'nuff said... :whoa:flaming:bang:loco:complain

but hey...look what Big Dad did! for those who care, he's on Stage 2+ power and running R-compounds... :bana

wow thats lame that they moved you because of what some hondas were running... too bad lol, the car still meets all the rules of street stock

[Fobio]

This is the TR I met from Milton:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5ag87GBPI/AAAAAAAAA6U/xPu57K73ZFM/s800/P1020392.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5ai34FD8I/AAAAAAAAA6c/Om6OAA44FEA/s800/P1020393.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5akZD8bWI/AAAAAAAAA6k/EEyOdCHGj5s/s800/P1020394.JPG"

[Fobio]

Some cool cars:

Nice car...shitty driver:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5an1NUkZI/AAAAAAAAA64/neozWa-hnng/s800/P1020396.JPG

What is this...a Sprite?
http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5appe5Y0I/AAAAAAAAA7A/K-iKbn_6Gbc/s800/P1020399.JPG

Rotary (Roto B) powered MG:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5atL_BUNI/AAAAAAAAA7Q/-frXd6tHxi8/s800/P1020404.JPG

[Fobio]

Big Dad in action:

http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5a0-mUeVI/AAAAAAAAA8A/ZV9Vj7xk8qE/s800/P1020447.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5a2E3TSzI/AAAAAAAAA8I/AyPxod1CmJI/s800/P1020448.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5a3QTT_vI/AAAAAAAAA8Q/1FYZljBo2lE/s800/P1020449.JPG

[Fobio]

Time attack group:

http://lh5.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5oWlvkqDI/AAAAAAAABBc/rKNKE5uduDk/s800/P1020455.JPG

This would've looked good if I had a fish-eye lens or knew how to use one...
http://lh5.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5bY_m7lzI/AAAAAAAAA_U/kYwFzRKsze0/s800/P1020481.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5bNopcToI/AAAAAAAAA-U/Bhn4aYxe5cI/s800/P1020473.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5bO6xVIQI/AAAAAAAAA-c/lMv2Z8HA29A/s800/P1020474.JPG

Souvenirs
http://lh4.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5bcXmwnOI/AAAAAAAAA_c/1OwjicHa5Xw/s800/P1020482.JPG

How many MS3's do you see in this one? =)
http://lh6.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SJ5biLajrFI/AAAAAAAAA_0/3brh9WOe1_4/s800/P1020485.JPG

[silvermist99]

Wow...what a day at Cayuga/Toronto Motorsports Park! It couldn't have happened any better for the MS3 guys even if we planned it... :chuckle

How many MS3's do you see?

Much more to come...pics, vids, timing...:bana2

Personal highlights:

1. Met and ran with mleblond...it's a long time coming buddy!
2. Ran with silvermist99 and showed him what an "older" guy can do with a little more room...
3. Met, ran with, gotten passed by and picked up tips from Big Dad...
4. Saw my first live drag race...again not my thing, but wow, it's a great adrenaline rush seeing/hearing/smelling and literally feeling the power of real drag cars...
5. Seeing MPS's ride...

and finally...

6. the impromptu MS3 meet :bana

highlights of the day for me on top of what fobio wrote:
I got outgunned by almost everything in the straight part of the track. I was faster then a good amount of civics, wrx, rx8, s2000, boxsters in corners but couldn't pass them in straight. A stupid wrx wouldn't let me by I tailgated it for 4 laps and I couldn't pass it on the straight due to lack of power... then it got scared when I was right up on him and he spun out :chuckle which is how I passed.


TR's Vlad, silvemist, pk?... mps's tires aren't stock, dunno who pk is... silver you need to visit allen at simply tire soon :chuckle ?
my tires are ok but not my brakes!



No...it wasn't silvermist99...he babies his car...I met this other guy who's also a car nut, but he's from Milton...hopefully, we'll get him on here as he's got lotsa karting experience and all around track nut...

i hear my car in the garage crying right now. a loooooot of sugeries needs to be done.

[Fobio]

my tires are ok but not my brakes!

i hear my car in the garage crying right now. a loooooot of sugeries needs to be done.

what happened bro?! did you find out if your rear brakes are ok?

[mleblond]

Big dad won Super Street FWD with a time of 124.6. I had a time of 127 on the track in time attack.

[jspeed_3]

good to see alot of ms3's represent yesterday...i don't have the skills for the course yet but i did ok on the 1/4mile....
My best time yesterday was 13.890 sec w/turboback,eng.mount,custom inlet pipe and cai..
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/JG_speed3/timeslip.jpg

[Fobio]

matt...where did you find the times or is this you personal timing?

jspeed_3...you were there yesterday? should've came by for a pic!

[jspeed_3]

the car is camera shy....but here's a couple my wife took
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/JG_speed3/js3.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/JG_speed3/ms3vswrx.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/JG_speed3/ms3vswrx2.jpg

[Fobio]

good pics bro! and even better results! hope to catch you out there another time...

[WhiteSpeed3]

its was a great event i did pretty good concidering my turbo is shot 14.142 for my 1/4 time

[Fobio]

its was a great event i did pretty good concidering my turbo is shot 14.142 for my 1/4 time

hey man...you were the guy dropping tires off when I bumped into you right?

good show man, considering the handicap...nice to have met you but sorry we didn't get a chance to chat!

We have a pretty strong contingency here boys! Sounds like we have at least 10+ "drivers" rep'n TM3, Mazda, Mazdaspeed and MS3's... :bana

[silvermist99]

what happened bro?! did you find out if your rear brakes are ok?

I think its just overheated fluid. Last night I still had no brakes at 1am when I drove home from friend's house that scared me a bit. When I stepped on teh pedal it just sunk down and -wait- -wait- - wait- stops.

It recovered a good bit today. I stopped tracking the car at around 6:30pm.. the brakes still didn't recover after 6 hours ~ :whoa

the pedal is still a little mushy now, theres definately some air in the lines.

As for my unstable rear I don't know yet, I'm going to lower the tire pressure back to 35 psi all round and play around from there. I should look under the car and make sure nothing fell off lol. I faught the rear end from coming out ok on most of the turns, but the shacane part I had to totally let off way before the turn and coast through it or the rear flys off the track =(



the car is camera shy....but here's a couple my wife took


I saw your car! I thought I was seeing thing when I saw a TR MS3 drag racing that wasn't mps' car with black vinyl roof. Did you run with another white MS3 which has black front lip and some sort of unique sidemarkers

[Fobio]

Good to know bro! Lemme know if you need help with the brake job.

[WhiteSpeed3]

hey man...you were the guy dropping tires off when I bumped into you right?

good show man, considering the handicap...nice to have met you but sorry we didn't get a chance to chat!

We have a pretty strong contingency here boys! Sounds like we have at least 10+ "drivers" rep'n TM3, Mazda, Mazdaspeed and MS3's... :bana

ya it was nice metting u to there was a great showing from the speed3's that the guy at the end of the 1/4 mile asked why there was so many mazda3's there, then i spent a good 2 min explaining the difference but he did say he was impressed with the times we were running

[Big Dad]

[QUOTE=Fobio;326815]matt...where did you find the times or is this you personal timing?

We stuck around for the closing ceremonies and inquired about our lap times.
Vlad also won for best Mazda in the show and shine. I was very happy to win the more competitive Super Street class after being bumped out of the Street class after I won that at the last event.

The pictures are great, but let it be known that it did not rain until after 8pm, we had a beautiful dry day and it was great. Some of us were bouncing from the road course to the drag strip. It was good to finally put a face to some of the handles on the board. What a strong Mazdaspeed presence! The road course was sold out and the Speeds were doing a lot of passing. I hope we can organize a big TM3 group for that Pennsylvania trip. Hope to see more of you for the last CSCS event on October 5th.

[Fobio]

shit man...wish I stuck around...when we packed up and went for gas, I saw most of the cars have left and just went on home...

yeah...the track(s) was nice and dry for all the lapping and time attack, and they even let ppl go out in the wet when it rained which I wish I took advantage of if I had more gas left...

congrats on winning the "elevated" class and I assumed you also took out the SRT4?

[silvermist99]

big dad:congrats! what psi were you running the tires at?

jspeed_3: that is an AWESOME launch 2.14 60' is very very veryyyyyyyyyy hard in fwd with no slicks at cayuga.


pics http://picasaweb.google.com/den.kwok/TMP

[Big Dad]

35psi in the front and 28psi in the rear hot pressures.

[maplephin]

Hey fobio & silvermist99

Great to meet you guys yesterday along with the rest of MS3 crazies!

Most unfortunate part of day: realizing I need a lot of mods$$$$$$$

Silvermist - sorry to hear about the brakes - that's what happens when you go too fast :gone

And yes I need some new tires - guess taking the line over the curb wasn't the best course of action

Best part of the day - the rain - too bad the fuel light came on - didn't want to get off the track.

Look forward to seeing everyone again

[silvermist99]

Hey fobio & silvermist99

Great to meet you guys yesterday along with the rest of MS3 crazies!

Most unfortunate part of day: realizing I need a lot of mods$$$$$$$

Silvermist - sorry to hear about the brakes - that's what happens when you go too fast :gone

And yes I need some new tires - guess taking the line over the curb wasn't the best course of action

Best part of the day - the rain - too bad the fuel light came on - didn't want to get off the track.

Look forward to seeing everyone again

nice to meet you too! How are your brakes? do they feel any different from before?

here are some pics of most of the other fwds that were slower then big dad :bana2

http://www.teknotik.com/jdmrides/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12 just click on the threads

[jspeed_3]

[QUOTE=silvermist99;326864]

jspeed_3: that is an AWESOME launch 2.14 60' is very very veryyyyyyyyyy hard in fwd with no slicks at cayuga.

Yea man it's all about the 60' on these cars..was hitting 14's all day which i was happy with but when i hit 13's WOW..it was like sex for the first time all over again..:hawt

[Unoriginalusername]

what did you launch at?

[MSMitch]

[QUOTE=silvermist99;326864]

jspeed_3: that is an AWESOME launch 2.14 60' is very very veryyyyyyyyyy hard in fwd with no slicks at cayuga.

Yea man it's all about the 60' on these cars..was hitting 14's all day which i was happy with but when i hit 13's WOW..it was like sex for the first time all over again..:hawt

What, a lot of squealing at the beginning and then over before you know it???? :chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

[QUOTE=jspeed_3;326957]

What, a lot of squealing at the beginning and then over before you know it???? :chuckle

lol

[maplephin]

nice to meet you too! How are your brakes? do they feel any different from before?

here are some pics of most of the other fwds that were slower then big dad :bana2

http://www.teknotik.com/jdmrides/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=12 just click on the threads

Brakes are fine, which is surprising with 32k... but I haven't looked at the wear on the pads. Have a feeling they will have lost a lot of life.

[mleblond]

when I changed my pads on thursday they were craked down the middle.

here is a couple pixies:

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/DSC01446.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/DSC01443.jpg
http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/DSC01444.jpg

[Fobio]

when I changed my pads on thursday they were craked down the middle.

I partially glazed a pad on my first track day back in June and switched them out. Jimmy says I shouldn't use them for the track again, but I'm considering using them for winter...

[mleblond]

TOO BAD Big Dad didn't want to come with the other 4 speeds for time attack would of been nice to have 5 speeds on the track ;)

[Fobio]

TOO BAD Big Dad didn't want to come with the other 4 speeds for time attack would of been nice to have 5 speeds on the track ;)

yeah...would've made a great pic...

did you happen to see my TA times or know how I can find it?

[mleblond]

yeah...would've made a great pic...

did you happen to see my TA times or know how I can find it?

No, sorry, took forever to get my time, and I didnt remember your car number


Here is the spin out vid I have :)


http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/th_MOV01439.jpg (http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/?action=view&current=MOV01439.flv)

http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/th_MOV01442.jpg (http://s151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/mleblond/cscs%20cayuga%20aug%209%202008/?action=view&current=MOV01442.flv)

[silvermist99]

I partially glazed a pad on my first track day back in June and switched them out. Jimmy says I shouldn't use them for the track again, but I'm considering using them for winter...

how are your rotors?

my rotors looks ok from looking at it. No unusual pattern or cracks.

Does your factory pads have a white layer on them? They vibrate when you brake? My brake feels a bit dull & mushy now but no vibration. The brakes feels like a corolla now without the super sharp, percise and firm feel I had before.

I'm going to change brake fluid & inspect the system on fri.

I even managed to break my digital tire gauge! I don't even know what tire pressure im running on now lol

Since my car has TPMS, I wonder if theres a system out there that can read the pressure off these sensors and display it real time inside.

[MSMitch]

[QUOTE=mleblond;327060]No, sorry, took forever to get my time, and I didnt remember your car number


Here is the spin out vid I have :)

Nice video - had a few minor seizures watching it b/c of shaking, but nice looking course and even nicer driving and reeling in of the other cars!!! :) Looks like you were able to brake much later into the corners than the Honda and VW in front of you...
Sorry I missed it, ONE of these days I'll get to the track...

[mleblond]

[quote=mleblond;327060]No, sorry, took forever to get my time, and I didnt remember your car number


Here is the spin out vid I have :)

Nice video - had a few minor seizures watching it b/c of shaking, but nice looking course and even nicer driving and reeling in of the other cars!!! :) Looks like you were able to brake much later into the corners than the Honda and VW in front of you...
Sorry I missed it, ONE of these days I'll get to the track...


Thanks :) I noticed a lot of people were braking at places where you did not have to and some just too soon. At the end of the day I knew my line very well!

[Fobio]

cayuga is not a bad course, but too bad their lapping days are far in between and on the higher price range...I'd like more seat time on it...

[jspeed_3]

[QUOTE=MSMitch;326966]

lol

hehe....for that run i launched at 3500rpm, wheels spun but my rpm didn't go down like it when i was launching at lower rpm.

[mleblond]

[quote=Unoriginalusername;326969]

hehe....for that run i launched at 3500rpm, wheels spun but my rpm didn't go down like it when i was launching at lower rpm.

Yep all my runs where done with rpms going down. My best run was a 14.289 and that was with wheel hop :P I guess we don't have a choice ;)

[Fobio]

Yep all my runs where done with rpms going down. My best run was a 14.289 and that was with wheel hop :P I guess we don't have a choice ;)

which engine mount were you running?

[mleblond]

which engine mount were you running?

Street Unit

[1flycdnM3]

good to see alot of ms3's represent yesterday...i don't have the skills for the course yet but i did ok on the 1/4mile....
My best time yesterday was 13.890 sec w/turboback,eng.mount,custom inlet pipe and cai..
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t136/JG_speed3/timeslip.jpg

oh man do i really hate to do this to you right now. But i don't want someone else to do it later on. you DID NOT run that time. All the numbers are wrong. I have been to the track a billion times and the "perfect launch" is .500 so anything lower than that means you went early which also means that all the data/numbers on that sheet would be wrong. sorry bro.

[mleblond]

oh man do i really hate to do this to you right now. But i don't want someone else to do it later on. you DID NOT run that time. All the numbers are wrong. I have been to the track a billion times and the "perfect launch" is .500 so anything lower than that means you went early which also means that all the data/numbers on that sheet would be wrong. sorry bro.

You are probably right because I had a run where my r/t was 0.169 and missed a gear and still got 14's but my best was 14.289 at 101mph (163 km/h) with a r/t in the 0.5.....here he got to 100mph....not sure how I can go faster and have a slower time? But i had nothing but problems figuring out launch so...

[Fobio]

oh man do i really hate to do this to you right now. But i don't want someone else to do it later on. you DID NOT run that time. All the numbers are wrong. I have been to the track a billion times and the "perfect launch" is .500 so anything lower than that means you went early which also means that all the data/numbers on that sheet would be wrong. sorry bro.

I have read and I quote:

"Reaction time has no bearing on the actually 1/4 Et are trap speed, it only matters if you're trying to be the first driver across the line."

Care to elaborate? Maybe you can start a drag-racing thread...

[silvermist99]

You are probably right because I had a run where my r/t was 0.169 and missed a gear and still got 14's but my best was 14.289 at 101mph (163 km/h) with a r/t in the 0.5.....here he got to 100mph....not sure how I can go faster and have a slower time? But i had nothing but problems figuring out launch so...


slower 1/4 time = more time to gain trap speed. I had a higher trap speed in my slower runs too when I used to do 1/4.


oh man do i really hate to do this to you right now. But i don't want someone else to do it later on. you DID NOT run that time. All the numbers are wrong. I have been to the track a billion times and the "perfect launch" is .500 so anything lower than that means you went early which also means that all the data/numbers on that sheet would be wrong. sorry bro.

There was bracket racing on going on that day. Bracket racing isnt' 0.50 is it? I'm not too familiar with drag racing.

I've only raced once in cayuga 1/4 mile but doesn't the clock start ticking after you cross the line? Reaction time is just time to react to the light I think, clock ticks after you move. I know this is how the st thomas clock works don't know about cayuga.

I think his time is pretty in line with what others are running, low 14 with a 2.2-2.3 60' every .1 you cut off your launch will result in at least 0.2 faster time at teh end.

edit: found this on wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_racing

The elapsed time is a measure of performance only; it does not, per se, determine the winner. Because elapsed time does not include reaction time, a car with a faster elapsed time can actually lose the race if the driver does not react to the green light fast enough.
the 13.89 is his elapsed time which shouldn't have been effected by R/T.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

oh man do i really hate to do this to you right now. But i don't want someone else to do it later on. you DID NOT run that time. All the numbers are wrong. I have been to the track a billion times and the "perfect launch" is .500 so anything lower than that means you went early which also means that all the data/numbers on that sheet would be wrong. sorry bro.

if you've "been to the track a billion times" you should know that reaction time has NO bearing on the numbers thereafter.

RT is the from when the green light goes on to when you break the last of the staging beams. once the beam is broken, the timing starts and everything else is VALID.

[Unoriginalusername]

Yep... a car can run 12 and lose to a car that ran 13 based on ET (when they left). ET's determine which car crosses the line first all other things being equal

[1flycdnM3]

if you've "been to the track a billion times" you should know that reaction time has NO bearing on the numbers thereafter.

RT is the from when the green light goes on to when you break the last of the staging beams. once the beam is broken, the timing starts and everything else is VALID.

Actually that is incorrect as I have been in very close contact with the officials at previous events i have been to. I should clarify though what i meant by that. I simply wanted to point out that the final calculation would be "off" but all the 60' and other incremental times would be fine. I have never done bracket racing either so it is possible the time starts at -0.000 rather than +0.500 but im not sure how that would tell you if you "went early" so i doubt it.

[1flycdnM3]

Yep... a car can run 12 and lose to a car that ran 13 based on ET (when they left). ET's determine which car crosses the line first all other things being equal

that is CORRECT, but if you "break the beam" before the final light/stage, you would still register YOUR time regardless of whether the car beside you is faster or slower. For instance, if you crossed the line first, but you "broke the beam" and recorded a 13.69, the guy beside you could still finish behnd you and record a faster time of 13.43 :)

Like Majestic said, bracket racing might be different and the time starts when you cross the beam and there are no staging lights?? (not really sure how that works) But in this case, it would be a much more accurate time and have no bearing on when you put your foot on the gas (as said already)

[MajesticBlueNTO]

that is CORRECT, but if you "break the beam" before the final light/stage, you would still register YOUR time regardless of whether the car beside you is faster or slower. For instance, if you crossed the line first, but you "broke the beam" and recorded a 13.69, the guy beside you could still finish behnd you and record a faster time of 13.43 :)

Like Majestic said, bracket racing might be different and the time starts when you cross the beam and there are no staging lights?? (not really sure how that works) But in this case, it would be a much more accurate time and have no bearing on when you put your foot on the gas (as said already)

there are 2 staging beams at the start line ...cross the first one and the pre-stage light goes on, come to just before the 2nd one and the stage light goes on. cross the 2nd staging beam and the clock starts for your elasped time (60', 1/8 ET, 1/8 MPH, 1000', 1/4 ET, 1/4 MPH).

your RT is only the time it takes from the green light on the tree to breaking the 2nd stage beam. your RT is generally only important if you're racing 'first to the finish' style. you could have a 1 minute RT and still run a 13.xx second quarter mile.

this is regardless of bracket racing or not.

[1flycdnM3]

ok you're right. I might have been reading it wrong because that does make sense to me now. Maybe because iv only done the "first to finish" style so im not familiar with anything else. I thought that was the whole point of a race, to see if you are faster than the other guy. Instead, now it's just creating a personal best and competing against your own best time. To each their own. My appologies.

[jspeed_3]

http://www.greerdragway.com/drag101.htm

.362 is nowhere near perfect! would of run better time if my R/T was perfect.

[1flycdnM3]

I was really used to .500 being the perfect RT but things have changed. The concept is the same though and .362 your first time out is nothing to shake your head at. You can't expect to be a professional, yet :)

[WhiteSpeed3]

i almost had a perfect R/T but i red lighted -0.01 then i miss shifted 3rd and the good run went to shit

[mleblond]

Pics from a flickr album I found
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steproduction/sets/72157606697474680/?page=3

[silvermist99]

those pics look so good. I should mod my camera more then my car.

[Fobio]

can't see flickr at work...will see them at home...

[Fobio]

cool pics...nice one of you silvermist!

and I didn't want to post it, but I took some rainbow pics too on the way home...

[silvermist99]

cool pics...nice one of you silvermist!

and I didn't want to post it, but I took some rainbow pics too on the way home...

we should have washed our cars lol. I like your shot better

who is this???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steproduction/2759268208/in/set-72157606697474680/


edit .. your sig is so outdated!

[mleblond]

we should have washed our cars lol. I like your shot better

who is this???
http://www.flickr.com/photos/steproduction/2759268208/in/set-72157606697474680/

I don't think he is on the forum. He has the whole body kit on his car but never painted it.... it make the car look like shit IMO and pisses me off cause it makes it look as bad as a J-body POS....c'mon kid smart up! (hope he reads this)

/rant over

[SpeedBaby]

i think that guy is from the states, i've seen him @ cayuga a few times already

[silvermist99]

I don't think he is on the forum. He has the whole body kit on his car but never painted it.... it make the car look like shit IMO and pisses me off cause it makes it look as bad as a J-body POS....c'mon kid smart up! (hope he reads this)

/rant over

did you see the traffic jam he caused on the circuit lol... I like his rims it has big lip & many spokes.


i think that guy is from the states, i've seen him @ cayuga a few times already


I see this car in my neighborhood all the time (markham/scarborough border).. spotted him 5 times at least. Him or his kid goes to the same taekwondo school my little brother goes to.

[SpeedBaby]

ok, then i must be thinking of someone else

[maplephin]

Finally:bana2
Times are listed for Time Attack in August
http://cscs.ca/content/view/78/118/

[maplephin]

hmmm....strange....lap 3....4 wheels in grass between turn 2 & 3....and still had a decent time -1:28:91 - guess stock tires work good offroad:whoa

still no 1:24:56, congrats Sean!

[Unoriginalusername]

hmmm....strange....lap 3....4 wheels in grass between turn 2 & 3....and still had a decent time -1:28:91 - guess stock tires work good offroad:whoa

still no 1:24:56, congrats Sean!

x2 good time result

[Fobio]

thanks for posting the results Eldon!

you on for Sept 7th?

why do they have silvermist in a Matrix? :loco

[silvermist99]

thanks for posting the results Eldon!

you on for Sept 7th?

why do they have silvermist in a Matrix? :loco

its a matrix because its slow :chuckle

i have a confession... my car is actually a toyota matrix, i stuck a mazda badge on it because its cooler and less wagon like. The inspectors at cscs found out.

so I drive like a robot .. shyt same thing happened at the autox. I used to be a very very inconsistant driver.

I guess they don't know how to name vehicles, mazdaspeed 3 turns into matrixs & mazda3. Neons turns into SRT4, impreza wrx sti turns into sti. BMW turns into a model, and a nameless ghost was driving a rx8.

The SSAWD STI, SSRWD 350z and s2000 are amazing!

[mleblond]

6th....not bad considering I had the stupid cone in my way in the middle of the S. Next time I am aiming at 125 flat....Now that i know the course better I think i can get better timing and hopefully be in the top 3!

[silvermist99]

6th....not bad considering I had the stupid cone in my way in the middle of the S. Next time I am aiming at 125 flat....Now that i know the course better I think i can get better timing and hopefully be in the top 3!


a lot of the top ss civics from june didnt show up this time tho.

did you go to the left or the right of that stupid cone?

[mleblond]

a lot of the top ss civics from june didnt show up this time tho.

did you go to the left or the right of that stupid cone?

Right and put me off my line. I should of went left but either way affected my speed going in and out as the cone would not be in the same location in the next lap....

I was making a few mistakes in my line that can help me improve my time by a lot. Especially coming around the corner that leads into the straight. I dropped it in second while in the open lapping afterward I was taking it in third...Should be interesting for sept. 7th :)

[Fobio]

yeah...that cone was really messing things up...I took both sides and never found it comfortable around that fallen/flattened cone in the middle of the chicane where we could be going relatively straight thru...I don't know if I can shave 3 sec's on street tires tho...

and yeah, being out on the course for the second time would help too!

the lapping sessions were crazy tho...not like any other lapping I've done and it's hard to focus on your own lines when you keep running into traffic...

[mleblond]

yeah it was hard to get a full lap without running into traffic...But I want to try again I know I can do a lot better. But I learned it's not good to be last group to go....

[maplephin]

yeah it was hard to get a full lap without running into traffic...But I want to try again I know I can do a lot better. But I learned it's not good to be last group to go....

Being the last group to go out was my fault -or- maybe Mazda's fault for building a car that uses too much fuel!!:flaming

Silvermist99 looked at my fuel gauge and it was on empty!!! We didn't think I could make the 5 laps

Full tank: Ultra 94
Distance to track: 100km - 7.0L
Distance on track: 65km - 35.0L
Total Distance per tank: 165km
Cost: Priceless

[mleblond]

Being the last group to go out was my fault -or- maybe Mazda's fault for building a car that uses too much fuel!!:flaming

Silvermist99 looked at my fuel gauge and it was on empty!!! We didn't think I could make the 5 laps

Full tank: Ultra 94
Distance to track: 100km - 7.0L
Distance on track: 65km - 35.0L
Total Distance per tank: 165km
Cost: Priceless

Yep I used 2 tanks that day alone, gas up 3 times in the same day

you did get 3rd best time of the speeds, no? I think BigDad could of went with us for the group of 5 and we would of been fine.

[Fobio]

5 MS3's in a group on a track will be awesome! We HAVE to have it documented for the sept 7th...vids and pics....but with silvermist99 out, who'll be our fifth?

[mleblond]

ya we need to get 5 for sure. I got the go pro camera in the mail today so Ill be taking lots of footage!!!! Bigdad's friend has one too!

[silvermist99]

5 MS3's in a group on a track will be awesome! We HAVE to have it documented for the sept 7th...vids and pics....but with silvermist99 out, who'll be our fifth?


you can come pick my car up at work and bring it to tmp if you want on that day .. but u have to bring it back with more gas, new brakes, new tires, all fluid changed and more mods lol :chuckle

[Unoriginalusername]

why avoid the last group?

[silvermist99]

why avoid the last group?

by then everyone did their hard lap & there was garbage left all over the track.. .ie some car hit a cone and the cone ended up in the middle of a track.

[Unoriginalusername]

by then everyone did their hard lap & there was garbage left all over the track.. .ie some car hit a cone and the cone ended up in the middle of a track.

oic, makes sense

[maplephin]

Yep I used 2 tanks that day alone, gas up 3 times in the same day

you did get 3rd best time of the speeds, no? I think BigDad could of went with us for the group of 5 and we would of been fine.

I think BigDad would have no problem in our group. Even at 4 secs. faster, he probably wouldn`t catch up to the back of the group in 3 laps.

Yes, 3rd best was me, shocked, didn`t expect that at all.

[Big Dad]

Thank you guys for your kind words. That cone was there when I went out half way through as well. I will have a camera this time as well.

[Fobio]

a little late...but my vid of my 5 TA laps:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/vincent.chum/SLXaKWjExII/AAAAAAAABDM/30pe92qvzdw/s400/Time%20Attack%20Group_0001.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBy1l68pcmQ)