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View Full Version : MS3/ATR: "The Fixings" (May 14, 2009)


Fobio
05-14-2009, 12:31 AM
These were applied to a Stage 2+SF 93 1.03 OTS map.

1. Throttle smoothing (aaronc7's + dread's increased values)

Throttle - Requested Load A and Throttle - Requested Load C


0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00
0.64 0.46 0.34 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20 0.20
0.67 0.68 0.61 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41 0.41
0.68 0.77 0.80 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62 0.62
0.69 0.80 0.90 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82 0.82
0.69 0.81 0.94 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02 1.02
0.70 0.82 0.95 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22 1.22
0.70 0.83 0.96 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42 1.42
0.70 0.82 0.97 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62 1.62
0.70 0.83 0.97 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82 1.82
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02 2.02
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22 2.22
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42 2.42
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50
0.70 0.83 0.97 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50 2.50


2. Closed loop exit delay fix (SLS MS3)

Closed Loop - Exit Delay A

15Closed Loop - Exit Delay B

40Closed Loop - Exit Delay C

40Closed Loop - Max Load D

2.00 2.00 2.00 1.20 1.55 1.57 1.57 1.40 1.40 0.40 0.33 0.00 0.00 0.00Closed Loop - Max Throttle B

75.00 75.00 75.00 75.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00Closed Loop - Max Throttle C

75.00 75.00 75.00 75.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00Closed Loop - Max Throttle D

75.00 75.00 75.00 75.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00 60.00

3. Upped idle RPM to 800

Idle Speeds A


1250 1250 1250 1250 1050 800 800 800

Idle Speeds B


1750 1750 1500 1250 1000 850 800 800

4. MAF fixed with Stg 1+ SF 1.03r values (oberved LTFT were 0/+3)

MAF Table A


0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.03 0.06 0.09 0.14 0.19 0.25 0.32 0.39 0.48 0.58 0.69 0.81 0.95 1.09 1.25 1.42 1.61 1.82 2.04 2.29 2.56 2.87 3.19 3.52 3.91 4.34 4.80 5.33 5.82 6.26 6.75 7.30 7.91 8.54 9.25 10.02 10.80 11.65 12.54 13.43 14.50 15.65 16.90 18.07 19.30 20.59 21.95 23.37 25.10 26.93 28.84 30.85 32.66 34.54 36.48 38.50 40.59 42.76 45.02 47.37 49.80 52.31 54.85 57.42 60.06 62.76 65.54 68.38 71.31 74.34 77.49 80.73 84.06 87.47 90.96 94.54 98.17 101.84 105.61 109.46 113.41 117.46 121.61 125.88 130.26 134.81 139.52 144.34 149.30 154.37 159.57 164.90 170.34 175.91 181.59 187.38 193.28 199.31 205.47 211.76 218.19 224.75 231.46 238.31 245.30 252.44 259.72 267.16 274.74 282.47 290.36 298.41 306.61 314.97 323.49 332.17 341.02 350.04 359.23

MAF Table B


0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.00 0.02 0.03 0.06 0.09 0.14 0.19 0.25 0.32 0.39 0.48 0.58 0.69 0.81 0.95 1.09 1.25 1.42 1.61 1.82 2.04 2.29 2.56 2.87 3.19 3.52 3.91 4.34 4.80 5.33 5.82 6.26 6.75 7.30 7.91 8.54 9.25 10.02 10.80 11.65 12.54 13.43 14.50 15.65 16.90 18.07 19.30 20.59 21.95 23.37 25.10 26.93 28.84 30.85 32.66 34.54 36.48 38.50 40.59 42.76 45.02 47.37 49.80 52.31 54.85 57.42 60.06 62.76 65.54 68.38 71.31 74.34 77.49 80.73 84.06 87.47 90.96 94.54 98.17 101.84 105.61 109.46 113.41 117.46 121.61 125.88 130.26 134.81 139.52 144.34 149.30 154.37 159.57 164.90 170.34 175.91 181.59 187.38 193.28 199.31 205.47 211.76 218.19 224.75 231.46 238.31 245.30 252.44 259.72 267.16 274.74 282.47 290.36 298.41 306.61 314.97 323.49 332.17 341.02 350.04 359.23

5. Partial throttle knock fix (ztuner)

IGN Table - High Throttle/OL (Knocking)


29.00 32.60 38.20 38.50 39.70 43.00 43.50 43.90 43.90 43.90 38.20 39.60 32.20 36.40
24.50 32.00 37.80 37.10 38.90 40.10 41.50 40.80 40.70 40.00 40.00 40.00 35.10 38.50
26.00 31.50 37.30 37.00 38.20 39.00 41.00 39.00 34.40 34.00 37.60 33.60 35.60 38.10
23.00 31.00 36.90 36.80 37.20 37.00 35.50 37.00 28.10 29.00 34.00 32.00 28.00 32.00
15.90 20.50 26.50 29.00 34.50 32.50 30.00 25.00 25.60 24.50 31.00 31.50 26.50 28.40
7.50 11.50 20.50 24.50 30.50 28.50 24.40 23.70 24.60 20.50 29.00 25.50 24.50 27.00
4.00 7.00 10.40 19.80 26.50 24.50 22.50 22.10 23.40 20.50 24.50 24.30 24.30 24.30
3.50 2.00 5.70 13.20 21.90 21.50 19.50 20.30 19.50 21.50 24.50 23.00 24.00 21.50
3.20 1.50 5.80 8.20 18.00 14.00 17.00 17.50 18.80 20.00 24.30 22.80 21.00 19.30
2.20 1.50 3.80 5.60 14.50 13.00 15.50 16.50 18.00 18.50 22.00 22.50 20.50 19.00
1.20 0.50 3.50 2.00 10.60 10.00 14.00 15.00 17.50 17.30 20.80 21.00 19.50 19.80
0.20 -0.50 4.50 1.40 8.90 8.00 10.00 14.50 17.00 16.00 19.50 19.50 19.50 18.00
-0.80 -1.50 3.50 2.70 6.70 8.00 10.00 12.50 15.00 14.50 18.00 18.00 18.50 17.00
-1.80 -2.50 2.50 3.10 5.50 7.00 9.00 12.00 13.50 16.00 16.50 16.00 17.00 15.00
-2.80 -3.50 1.50 -0.20 3.30 6.00 8.00 11.50 13.00 14.80 15.50 15.20 16.00 14.00
-3.80 -4.50 0.50 -0.70 2.30 5.00 8.00 10.00 12.50 13.50 14.50 15.20 16.00 14.00
-4.80 -5.50 -0.50 -2.00 3.00 4.50 6.50 9.50 11.50 12.50 13.20 17.00 16.00 14.00
-5.80 -6.50 -1.50 -3.50 2.00 3.00 6.50 8.50 10.50 9.50 13.00 16.00 16.00 14.00
-6.80 -7.50 -2.50 -4.80 1.00 3.00 5.00 7.00 10.00 8.50 13.00 15.00 15.00 13.00
-7.80 -8.50 -3.50 -4.80 0.30 2.50 4.90 7.00 9.00 9.00 12.00 14.00 14.00 12.00
-8.80 -9.50 -4.50 -5.80 -0.50 2.20 4.00 8.00 8.50 9.00 10.00 13.00 13.00 11.00
-9.80 -10.50 -5.50 -6.80 -0.80 2.20 4.00 8.00 7.50 8.00 9.00 12.00 12.00 10.00
-10.80 -11.50 -6.50 -7.80 0.20 2.20 3.00 7.00 7.00 7.00 8.00 11.00 11.00 9.00
-11.80 -12.50 -7.50 -8.80 -2.80 2.20 3.00 6.00 6.50 6.50 8.00 10.00 10.00 8.00
-12.80 -13.50 -8.50 -9.80 -3.80 -0.80 3.00 5.00 6.00 6.00 7.00 9.50 9.50 8.00
-13.80 -14.50 -9.50 -10.80 -4.80 -1.80 2.00 4.00 5.50 5.50 7.00 8.50 8.50 7.00
-14.00 -15.50 -10.50 -11.80 -5.80 -2.80 1.00 5.00 4.50 4.50 6.00 7.50 7.50 6.00
-15.00 -16.50 -11.50 -12.80 -6.80 -3.80 0.00 4.00 3.50 3.50 6.00 6.50 6.50 5.00

IGN Table - High Throttle/OL (No Knocking)


29.00 32.60 38.20 38.50 39.70 43.00 43.50 43.90 43.90 43.90 38.20 39.60 32.20 36.40
24.50 32.00 37.80 37.10 38.90 40.10 41.50 40.80 40.70 40.00 40.00 40.00 35.10 38.50
26.00 31.50 37.30 37.00 38.20 39.00 41.00 39.00 34.40 34.00 37.60 33.60 35.60 38.10
23.00 31.00 36.90 36.80 37.20 37.00 35.50 37.00 28.10 29.00 34.00 32.00 28.00 32.00
15.90 20.50 26.50 29.00 34.50 32.50 30.00 25.00 25.60 24.50 31.00 31.50 26.50 28.40
7.50 11.50 20.50 24.50 30.50 28.50 24.40 23.70 24.60 20.50 29.00 25.50 24.50 27.00
4.00 7.00 10.40 19.80 26.50 24.50 22.50 22.10 23.40 20.50 24.50 24.30 24.30 24.30
3.50 2.00 5.70 13.20 21.90 21.50 19.50 20.30 19.50 21.50 24.50 23.00 24.00 21.50
3.20 1.50 5.80 8.20 18.00 14.00 17.00 17.50 18.80 20.00 24.30 22.80 21.00 19.30
2.20 1.50 3.80 5.60 14.50 13.00 15.50 16.50 18.00 18.50 22.00 22.50 20.50 19.00
1.20 0.50 3.50 2.00 10.60 10.00 14.00 15.00 17.50 17.30 20.80 21.00 19.50 19.80
0.20 -0.50 4.50 1.40 8.90 8.00 10.00 14.50 17.00 16.00 19.50 19.50 19.50 18.00
-0.80 -1.50 3.50 2.70 6.70 8.00 10.00 12.50 15.00 14.50 18.00 18.00 18.50 17.00
-1.80 -2.50 2.50 3.10 5.50 7.00 9.00 12.00 13.50 16.00 16.50 16.00 17.00 15.00
-2.80 -3.50 1.50 -0.20 3.30 6.00 8.00 11.50 13.00 14.80 15.50 15.20 16.00 14.00
-3.80 -4.50 0.50 -0.70 2.30 5.00 8.00 10.00 12.50 13.50 14.50 15.20 16.00 14.00
-4.80 -5.50 -0.50 -2.00 3.00 4.50 6.50 9.50 11.50 12.50 13.20 17.00 16.00 14.00
-5.80 -6.50 -1.50 -3.50 2.00 3.00 6.50 8.50 10.50 9.50 13.00 16.00 16.00 14.00
-6.80 -7.50 -2.50 -4.80 1.00 3.00 5.00 7.00 10.00 8.50 13.00 15.00 15.00 13.00
-7.80 -8.50 -3.50 -4.80 0.30 2.50 4.90 7.00 9.00 9.00 12.00 14.00 14.00 12.00
-8.80 -9.50 -4.50 -5.80 -0.50 2.20 4.00 8.00 8.50 9.00 10.00 13.00 13.00 11.00
-9.80 -10.50 -5.50 -6.80 -0.80 2.20 4.00 8.00 7.50 8.00 9.00 12.00 12.00 10.00
-10.80 -11.50 -6.50 -7.80 0.20 2.20 3.00 7.00 7.00 7.00 8.00 11.00 11.00 9.00
-11.80 -12.50 -7.50 -8.80 -2.80 2.20 3.00 6.00 6.50 6.50 8.00 10.00 10.00 8.00
-12.80 -13.50 -8.50 -9.80 -3.80 -0.80 3.00 5.00 6.00 6.00 7.00 9.50 9.50 8.00
-13.80 -14.50 -9.50 -10.80 -4.80 -1.80 2.00 4.00 5.50 5.50 7.00 8.50 8.50 7.00
-14.00 -15.50 -10.50 -11.80 -5.80 -2.80 1.00 5.00 4.50 4.50 6.00 7.50 7.50 6.00
-15.00 -16.50 -11.50 -12.80 -6.80 -3.80 0.00 4.00 3.50 3.50 6.00 6.50 6.50 5.00

IGN Table - Low Throttle/CL (Knocking)


29.00 32.60 38.20 38.50 39.70 43.00 43.50 43.90 43.90 43.90 38.20 39.60 32.20 36.40
24.50 32.00 37.80 37.10 38.90 40.10 41.50 40.80 40.70 40.00 40.00 40.00 35.10 38.50
26.00 31.50 37.30 37.00 38.20 39.00 41.00 39.00 34.40 34.00 37.60 33.60 35.60 38.10
23.00 31.00 36.90 36.80 37.20 37.00 35.50 37.00 28.10 29.00 34.00 32.00 28.00 32.00
15.90 20.50 26.50 29.00 34.50 32.50 30.00 25.00 25.60 24.00 27.00 25.00 25.00 25.00
7.50 11.50 20.50 24.50 30.50 28.50 24.40 23.70 24.60 20.50 23.50 21.50 21.50 21.50
4.00 5.00 10.40 19.80 26.50 24.50 22.50 22.10 21.00 18.50 22.50 20.50 20.50 20.50
3.50 0.50 5.70 13.20 21.90 21.50 19.50 20.30 18.00 15.00 21.50 19.50 19.00 19.00
3.20 -2.00 3.20 8.20 18.00 14.00 17.00 17.00 16.50 14.00 20.50 18.50 17.50 17.50
2.20 -3.00 0.80 5.60 14.50 13.00 15.50 15.00 15.50 13.00 19.50 17.50 16.00 15.00
1.20 -4.00 0.00 2.00 11.60 10.00 14.00 13.50 14.50 12.00 18.50 16.50 15.00 14.00
0.20 -5.00 0.00 -0.50 8.00 8.00 10.00 12.50 13.50 11.00 17.50 15.50 14.00 13.50
-0.80 -6.00 -1.00 -1.50 6.50 7.00 10.00 11.50 12.50 10.00 16.50 14.50 12.50 13.50
-1.80 -7.00 -2.00 -2.70 4.00 6.50 9.00 10.50 11.50 12.00 15.50 13.50 12.00 12.50
-2.80 -8.00 -3.00 -4.00 2.00 5.50 8.00 9.50 10.50 11.00 14.50 12.50 11.50 11.50
-3.80 -9.00 -4.00 -4.00 0.50 4.50 7.50 8.50 9.50 10.00 13.50 11.50 11.50 10.50
-4.80 -10.00 -5.00 -5.00 0.00 2.00 6.50 7.50 8.50 9.00 12.50 10.50 10.50 9.50
-5.80 -11.00 -6.00 -6.00 -1.00 -0.50 5.50 6.50 7.50 8.00 14.00 9.50 9.50 8.50
-6.80 -12.00 -7.00 -7.00 -2.00 -1.50 4.50 5.50 6.50 7.00 13.50 8.50 8.50 7.50
-7.80 -13.00 -8.00 -8.00 -3.00 -2.50 3.50 4.50 5.50 6.00 12.50 7.50 7.50 6.50
-8.80 -14.00 -9.00 -9.00 -4.00 -3.50 2.50 3.50 4.50 5.00 11.50 6.50 6.50 5.50
-9.80 -15.00 -10.00 -10.00 -5.00 -4.50 -1.50 -0.50 0.50 4.00 10.50 5.50 5.50 4.50
-10.80 -16.00 -11.00 -11.00 -6.00 -5.50 -2.50 -1.50 -0.50 3.00 9.50 4.50 4.50 3.50
-11.80 -17.00 -12.00 -12.00 -7.00 -6.50 -3.50 -2.50 -1.50 2.00 8.50 3.50 3.50 2.50
-12.80 -17.50 -13.00 -13.00 -8.00 -7.50 -4.50 -3.50 -2.50 1.00 7.50 2.50 2.50 1.50
-13.80 -17.50 -14.00 -14.00 -9.00 -8.50 -5.50 -4.50 -3.50 0.00 6.50 1.50 1.50 0.50
-14.00 -17.50 -15.00 -15.00 -10.00 -9.50 -6.50 -5.50 -4.50 -1.00 5.50 0.50 0.50 -0.50
-15.00 -17.50 -15.50 -16.00 -11.00 -10.50 -7.50 -6.50 -5.50 -2.00 4.50 -0.50 -0.50 -1.50

IGN Table - Low Throttle/CL (No Knocking)


29.00 32.60 38.20 38.50 39.70 43.00 43.50 43.90 43.90 43.90 38.20 39.60 32.20 36.40
24.50 32.00 37.80 37.10 38.90 40.10 41.50 40.80 40.70 40.00 40.00 40.00 35.10 38.50
26.00 31.50 37.30 37.00 38.20 39.00 41.00 39.00 34.40 34.00 37.60 33.60 35.60 38.10
23.00 31.00 36.90 36.80 37.20 37.00 35.50 37.00 28.10 29.00 34.00 32.00 28.00 32.00
15.90 20.50 26.50 29.00 34.50 32.50 30.00 25.00 25.60 24.00 27.00 25.00 25.00 25.00
7.50 11.50 20.50 24.50 30.50 28.50 24.40 23.70 24.60 20.50 23.50 21.50 21.50 21.50
4.00 5.00 10.40 19.80 26.50 24.50 22.50 22.10 21.00 18.50 22.50 20.50 20.50 20.50
3.50 0.50 5.70 13.20 21.90 21.50 19.50 20.30 18.00 15.00 21.50 19.50 19.00 19.00
3.20 -2.00 3.20 8.20 18.00 14.00 17.00 17.00 16.50 14.00 20.50 18.50 17.50 17.50
2.20 -3.00 0.80 5.60 14.50 13.00 15.50 15.00 15.50 13.00 19.50 17.50 16.00 15.00
1.20 -4.00 0.00 2.00 11.60 10.00 14.00 13.50 14.50 12.00 18.50 16.50 15.00 14.00
0.20 -5.00 0.00 -0.50 8.00 8.00 10.00 12.50 13.50 11.00 17.50 15.50 14.00 13.50
-0.80 -6.00 -1.00 -1.50 6.50 7.00 10.00 11.50 12.50 10.00 16.50 14.50 12.50 13.50
-1.80 -7.00 -2.00 -2.70 4.00 6.50 9.00 10.50 11.50 12.00 15.50 13.50 12.00 12.50
-2.80 -8.00 -3.00 -4.00 2.00 5.50 8.00 9.50 10.50 11.00 14.50 12.50 11.50 11.50
-3.80 -9.00 -4.00 -4.00 0.50 4.50 7.50 8.50 9.50 10.00 13.50 11.50 11.50 10.50
-4.80 -10.00 -5.00 -5.00 0.00 2.00 6.50 7.50 8.50 9.00 12.50 10.50 10.50 9.50
-5.80 -11.00 -6.00 -6.00 -1.00 -0.50 5.50 6.50 7.50 8.00 14.00 9.50 9.50 8.50
-6.80 -12.00 -7.00 -7.00 -2.00 -1.50 4.50 5.50 6.50 7.00 13.50 8.50 8.50 7.50
-7.80 -13.00 -8.00 -8.00 -3.00 -2.50 3.50 4.50 5.50 6.00 12.50 7.50 7.50 6.50
-8.80 -14.00 -9.00 -9.00 -4.00 -3.50 2.50 3.50 4.50 5.00 11.50 6.50 6.50 5.50
-9.80 -15.00 -10.00 -10.00 -5.00 -4.50 -1.50 -0.50 0.50 4.00 10.50 5.50 5.50 4.50
-10.80 -16.00 -11.00 -11.00 -6.00 -5.50 -2.50 -1.50 -0.50 3.00 9.50 4.50 4.50 3.50
-11.80 -17.00 -12.00 -12.00 -7.00 -6.50 -3.50 -2.50 -1.50 2.00 8.50 3.50 3.50 2.50
-12.80 -17.50 -13.00 -13.00 -8.00 -7.50 -4.50 -3.50 -2.50 1.00 7.50 2.50 2.50 1.50
-13.80 -17.50 -14.00 -14.00 -9.00 -8.50 -5.50 -4.50 -3.50 0.00 6.50 1.50 1.50 0.50
-14.00 -17.50 -15.00 -15.00 -10.00 -9.50 -6.50 -5.50 -4.50 -1.00 5.50 0.50 0.50 -0.50
-15.00 -17.50 -15.50 -16.00 -11.00 -10.50 -7.50 -6.50 -5.50 -2.00 4.50 -0.50 -0.50 -1.50

Disclaimer: I don't know where these come from and what they do. I just thought posting these would make me look smart. You be smart yourself and don't blow up your car. Happy tuning!
stormin84
05-14-2009, 07:57 AM
have you noticed any thing different with the knock fix
Fobio
05-14-2009, 08:54 AM
on a 15km run after flashing, 0cts of knock.
stormin84
05-14-2009, 09:15 AM
so far i've done the other changes and i like them.

i guess i'll see how my knocking is with the 2 step colder plugs that i'm getting and see if it does anything. and go from there .
Fobio
05-14-2009, 12:28 PM
there's discussion on MSF that none of the mechanical fixes actually cures the part throttle knock (ie. OCC, EGR delete, 2-step colder plugs), but I'm interested in your findings as I have the plugs but not going to install them unless knock gets WORSE with the DP installed now.

also, it's likely that ztuner's PT knock fix has timing that is too conservative...might be a good experiment to increase timing back up a bit from his values to get the tip-in response back.

hopefully, will have more to report soon.