Tires23 (winter tires)

[Tires23]

Dear members:

I would like to thank MajesticblueN and others for posting/advertising for Tires23. We deal with performance parts, wheels and tires.

Our office (for order pickup) and warehouse are located in Mississauga.

To clarify some of the questions in the other posts/threads, I will be posting some prices for winter tires/rims very soon. Our customers usually pay in full when they pick up their orders, but we do take some/little deposit if we have to order something that we do not have in stock.

Please feel free to give us a call or email us if you have any questions.

thanks so much for your attention.

Martin
(905)286-1017
sales@tires23.com

[Tires23]

some 16\" steelies back in stock.
SILVER (RAV4) steelies are now available too.

16\" application:
205/55/16
Nexen (H-rated made by Kumho) with steely $645
Toyo GARIT HT with 16\" steely $880
Toyo GARIT HT $640
Toyo SNOWPROX s950 with 16\" steely $920
Toyo SNOWPROX s950 $680
Pirelli Carving with 16\" steely $805
Pirelli Carving $565
Pirelli 210 Snowsport with 16\" steely $945
Pirelli 210 Snowsport $705
Pirelli 240 Snowsport with 16\" steely $1075
Pirelli 240 Snowsport $835
Michelin Pilot Alpin PA2 with 16\" steely $1010
Michelin Pilot Aplin PA2 $770
Yokohama AVS V901 with 16\" steely $985
Yokohama AVS V901 $745
Dunlop Winter sport M2 with 16\" Steely $930
Dunlop winter sport M2 $700
Hankook W300 with 16\" steely $725
Hankook W300 $495

15\" application:
195/65/15

Nexen with 15\" steely $500
Hankook W404 with 15\" steely $600
Toyo GO2 PLUS with 15\" steely $705
Toyo GO2 $520
Pirelli Carving with 15\" steely $655
Pirelli Carving $470
Pirelli 210 Snowsport with 15\" steely $700
Pirelli 210 Snowsport $515
Yokohama AVS V901 with 15\" steely $745
YOkohama AVS V901 $560
Yokohama IG10 with 15\" steely $735
Yokohama IG10 $550
Bridgestone WS-50 with 15\" steely $775
Bridgestone WS-50 $590
Dunlop winter DS-2 with 15\" steely $660
Dunlop winter DS-2 $475
Dunlop Winter sport M2 with 15\" Steely $705
Dunlop winter sport M2 $520


17\" application
205/50/17

Hankook W400 $530
Hankook W300 $580
Bridgestone LM22 $1165
Bridgestone LM25 $1180
Toyo S950 $990
Pirelli 210 $1020
Pirelli 240 $1070
Michelin Pilot Alpin 2 $1175
Yokohama AVS V-901 $1030
Goodyear GW3 $1060

Let us know if you need all season tires instead. Currently we\'re having specials on a/s tires.

Thanks

[bluntman]

Anything for those of us who want to use our OEM 17\" rims?

[midnightfxgt]

These prices include taxes right? Also how much notice would you need for a rim/tire combo to be put together?

Thanks

~JOHN

[bubba1983]

OMG OMG OMG CHEAP PRICES *big smile* these 16 inch steelies fit the gt/gfx then i am so assuming? and whurr r these guys located...OMG, i\'d so head up there this week and pick up a set!!!

[///M]

Sweet!! I noticed on your website that you car Volk rims...how much for a set of GramLights 57C, 17x7.5 in gold or bronze? Member discounts? :D

Also, do you stock RAV4 steel rims for winter? They look a lot better than black steelies imo.

[majic]

Originally posted by autoexe


Sweet!! I noticed on your website that you car Volk rims...how much for a set of GramLights 57C, 17x7.5 in gold or bronze? Member discounts? :D

Also, do you stock RAV4 steel rims for winter? They look a lot better than black steelies imo.

yest the rav4 will fit.. what do they look like? how much would they be?

[thesober]

Since they dont do mounting on your own rims. Can anyone recommend a cheap place to do some balancing and mounting.

[RedRaptor]

Are you guys going to reuse the stock set of bolts for mounting the winter tires? Or are you going to buy another set?

I\'m going in late October to place an order with Tires23.
I decided on a set of Kumhos KW17 with 16\" steelies.

How about you guys?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by RedRaptor


Are you guys going to reuse the stock set of bolts for mounting the winter tires? Or are you going to buy another set?

I\'m going in late October to place an order with Tires23.
I decided on a set of Kumhos KW17 with 16\" steelies.

How about you guys?

most likely will reuse the stock lug nuts when mounting the winter tires. the stock lug nuts are \"capped\" at the end so there\'s no worries about getting the bolts salty and rusted.

before tightening the lug nuts down, place some anti-seize on the bolt threads or spray some WD-40 into the lug nut...it helps when removing the nuts after a winter\'s worth of punishment.

[RedRaptor]

Sounds good MajBlueN,

Thanks for the tips. When I take off the stock tires, there is a Mazda wheel cap on the rims right now. Do I just pop that off? Does it serve a purpose other than pure cosmetics?

I just don\'t want the guys who swap my tires to damage the wheel cap so I rather take it off myself rather than have them \"brute force\" it.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by RedRaptor


Sounds good MajBlueN,

Thanks for the tips. When I take off the stock tires, there is a Mazda wheel cap on the rims right now. Do I just pop that off? Does it serve a purpose other than pure cosmetics?

I just don\'t want the guys who swap my tires to damage the wheel cap so I rather take it off myself rather than have them \"brute force\" it.

Red, are you using your stock rims for winter and getting 17\" winter tires? or are you getting a winter tire/steelie rim setup?

if you\'re getting the winter tire/steelie setup, you shouldn\'t have to pop out the Mazda centre cap on the rim (even if you swap the tires on the rim, you nor the tire shop should have to pop out that centre cap). the cap is pure cosmetic.

if you\'re picking up rims/tires through tires23, assuming that the tire is mounted and balanced on the rim already, and need somewhere to install it, let me know and i\'ll help you out...i live close to SilverCity Richmond Hill ;)

[RedRaptor]

MajesticBlueN,

Thanks, I wasn\'t sure if the wheel caps had to be removed because when I saw my car in the lot, they were removed to prevent theft I guess.

I am getting 16\" steelies with the KW17s. Its just much easier that way so that each winter I just pop the winter and stock tires on and off.

I will be getting the tires & steelies from Tires23. I talked to Martin already and we have agreed that:

1)deposit has to be given in ($100-$200).
2)All prices are CASH.
3)Tires will be here in 2 weeks or so.

Right now I am trying to arrange a way to pay Martin the deposit money online somehow so that I don\'t have to drive to Mississauga just for that. I live in North York.

Do you know a shop that will put the tires on my car for a good price? SilverCity Richmond Hill is a 15 min driveaway from me so location wise its no problem.

Let me know and thanks for the help & tips.

Red.

[Tires23]

I have just added the price for 17\" snow tires.

Thanks

Martin

[Tires23]

autoexe : I sent you a few PM for the Volks gram lights, but i don\'t think the pms went thru. Please give me a call for more info.
Thanks

btw, we do not offer Rav 4 oem rims

Martin
(905)286-1017

[///M]

recieved your pm
i sent a reply

thanks

[MAZDA Kitten]

Originally posted by RedRaptor

I\'m going in late October to place an order with Tires23.
I decided on a set of Kumhos KW17 with 16\" steelies.

How about you guys?

Thats exactly what Im getting too!

Tires23http://www.mazda3forums.com/images2/smilies/irock.gif

Quick question: Can I pick up two sets (one for my brothers RSX? same tire/size) or is this just for Mazda 3 owners??

[majic]

don\'t see why not.. especially that the prices aren\'t for a group.. they are indivitual (as someone stated) \"everyday low prices\" - a la walmart ;) and also this has been offered to the subaru club first..

[everfeb]

TIRES23...a question...OEM wheels have 52mm offset. I understand from other forums that 42 - 62 mm offset will work for the 3. What is the offset on the steely you have for the 3 and have you done a fitment test with an actual Mazda 3.

Please note...I know nothing about \"fitment\". From what I am reading though, it does seem to be important.

Thanks for the help.

everfeb

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by RedRaptor

I\'m going in late October to place an order with Tires23.
I decided on a set of Kumhos KW17 with 16\" steelies.

How about you guys?

ordered my set today... Kumho KW17 with 16\" steelies.

i have summer only tires on right now...i\'ll be checking the forecasts in november just so that i don\'t get surprised by a \"freak\" snow storm.

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by RedRaptor
I\'m going in late October to place an order with Tires23.
I decided on a set of Kumhos KW17 with 16\" steelies.


Going in this Saturday to place an order & deposit on the above set of winter tires.

[PlatMS6]

as soon as the kumho kw19\'s 195/65/15 mounted on steelies arrive i gotta get em! :D

the toyo oem mazda tires are worthless when its this cold, especially in rain! :sarc

[Sammy]

Count me in for a Group Buy on Winter Tires. I have no idea what to get, I want to spend as little money as possible without compromising performance and safety. I have a Mazda3 Sport GT. I also need someone to install them in the Richmond Hill area, any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! thanks!!!

[01AWW18T]

whoever has gotten the package from tires23, can you please post here and confirm that the steelies they have fit our 3?

Thanks

[Tires23]

As soon as the steelies arrive, we\'ll post and test fit them to make sure it fits on Mazda3. We also offer a brand name steel rims PALMAR, they do offer applications for Mazda3, but they are more expensive $265 /set tax in.

Thanks

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by Tires23
As soon as the steelies arrive, we\'ll post and test fit them to make sure it fits on Mazda3. We also offer a brand name steel rims PALMAR, they do offer applications for Mazda3, but they are more expensive $265 /set tax in.
Thanks

Hi Tires23,

Not that I care about the brand of my steelies, but what makes PALMAR more expensive than the standard steel wheel? Is it better quality or just pure name brand?

[Tires23]

Rob (Red raptor): I gave you a call about the package, they are in stock now!! So you can actually pick them up on saturday.

Just to let everyone know we now have steel rims and snow tires in stock. Please give you a call to confirm / place your orders.

Thanks so much.

Martin

[bubba1983]

so the big question im waiting for...does the Tires23 steelies, fit on the gt with the bigger breaks?

[Tires23]

The 16\" STEELIES fit without a problem. Thanks Neil for helping out on the testing.

[RedRaptor]

Thanks Tires23 for the update.

I couldn\'t make it this week but I will be there 3PM-4PM or so next Saturday to pick up my set of Kumho KW17 w/ 16\" steelies. I\'ve also called you to confirm.

Thanks.
Red.

[bubba1983]

they do? oh you so got yourself a sale....i\'ll be calling within teh next few days!

[MZ3_GS]

Is this the same price as the other listing in the Affilations Sticky?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by Tires23


The 16\" STEELIES fit without a problem. Thanks Neil for helping out on the testing.


Not a problem :)

[majic]

Originally posted by bubba1983


no its not....go lok at both...these prices INCLUDE mounting, balance, and tax..


actually if MZ3_GS was referring to e_spec found at the bottom of the page here (http://torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=313) then yes those prices are OTR prices thus including mounting balancing and all..

if u notice e_spec beats tires23 by 5-10 bux AND he said that he can get a hold of the item 2 DAYS from order.. WOW .. me like.. now anyone know where i can get decent coin for the RS-As?

[PlatMS6]

did anyone pick up theirs yet? how did it work out?
are the rims fitting well? wouldnt hurt to see a pic.

[PlatMS6]

did anyone pick up theirs yet? how did it work out?
are the rims fitting well? wouldnt hurt to see a pic.

[bubba1983]

2 days from order from e-spec? hmmm.....now tires23 got me double thinkin......im torn between both....maybe i can swing a $600 cash in hand deal?

where is E-spec located? i have never seen a 647 area code before?!?!?! *confused look*

[majic]

from my e-mails with e-spec.. it\'s cash..

same with t23.. e-mail him for location..

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by bubba1983

where is E-spec located? i have never seen a 647 area code before?!?!?! *confused look*

647 is the 2nd area code for the 416 area....just like 289 is the 2nd area code for the 905 area ;)

[bubba1983]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN



Originally posted by bubba1983

where is E-spec located? i have never seen a 647 area code before?!?!?! *confused look*

647 is the 2nd area code for the 416 area....just like 289 is the 2nd area code for the 905 area ;)

really? damn, i wan\'t aware...so if u live in teh 416....and your buddy in the 647....its long distance....in the same city? ffss, thats crap!

[MZ3_GS]

They added the 647 a LONG time ago. Since the manditory 9 digit dialing.

[MZ3_GS]

Anyone buy some wheels and tires yet?

I just want to make sure the rims are hubcentric. ;)

[majic]

Originally posted by bubba1983



Originally posted by MajesticBlueN



Originally posted by bubba1983

where is E-spec located? i have never seen a 647 area code before?!?!?! *confused look*

647 is the 2nd area code for the 416 area....just like 289 is the 2nd area code for the 905 area ;)

really? damn, i wan\'t aware...so if u live in teh 416....and your buddy in the 647....its long distance....in the same city? ffss, thats crap!

no 416 and 647 covers ROUGHLY the same area so it\'s all one \'logical\' area.. just like 905 to 416 is a \'local\' call so is 647-905 (most ie. NOT hamilton .. just as far as oakville and pickering, maybe further east even?) and 647-416 is \'local\' as well

[S.F.W.]

Sorry guys, I\'m new to this discussion, as my Mazda 3 is the first car I have ever owned. I understand the advantage of winter tires. I don\'t understand why steel rims? Is it just a price thing?
Also, I have the GT sedan with 17\" Tires, should I put on the same size tires for winter? Any help/guidance is appreciated.

[majic]

steels are generally advised b/c:

if they rust. meh.. 50bux per rim all good..
you can get them smaller 16\" and the rubbers will cost u less..
in the long run when u don\'t have to swap the tires off the rims and put new ones on.. it will save $$$ b/c no balancing/mounting fees - just once in a while

[S.F.W.]

so if I get the steel rims, then I can go with 16\" tires for the winter?

[majic]

yes.. b.c the rotors and thus calipers are too large to accomodate 15\" wheels..

just make sure to get 205/55/16 rubbers on those 16\" steelies and u\'ll be fine (so overall diameter is the same as 205/50/17) it makes a much cheaper set than 17s

[RedRaptor]

Getting a set of 16\" steelies for winter just makes more sense because you will not have to worry about taking your summer and winter tires off your stock wheel. Each time you take them off, you will need to rebalance them and after all that service, the $$$ you spend will be the same as if you got steelies. Secondly, each time the tire shop takes the tires off your stock rims, you run the risk of damaging it if they aren\'t careful. With steelies, its just a simple swap of tires and wheels twice a year.

I have to admit steelies are ugly...but who cares in the winter time anyways?

[billyfo]

other adv. for steelies, heavier weight that enhance traction for snow, and cheaper than alloy

[Newlook]

I\'ll do a 16\" fitment in a couple days.... I\'ll post some pictures here once I got it done.

[S.F.W.]

I think I\'ll invest in 16\" tires and steel rims. I don\'t want to chew up the nice rims that came stock...

[jlefk44]

Hey,

I\'m new to the forum and want to thank everyone for adding their info in winter tires. I just bought my GT 4 months ago.

FYI...I\'ve been in touch with Martin from Tires 23. Going for Pirelli\'s with 16\" steelies. I\'m assuming they will deal with the Tire Pressude Sensor A-OK. Hopefully this weekend.

In case anyone is interested, I did a bit of calling around to dealers before deciding on the Pirelli\'s. The best deal I found from a dealer was Dave Wood Mazda in NewMarket - P205/55/R16 Blizzak WS-50 mounted/installed $899.

Cheers All.

James - Toronto.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by jlefk44


Hey,

I\'m new to the forum and want to thank everyone for adding their info in winter tires. I just bought my GT 4 months ago.

FYI...I\'ve been in touch with Martin from Tires 23. Going for Pirelli\'s with 16\" steelies. I\'m assuming they will deal with the Tire Pressude Sensor A-OK. Hopefully this weekend.

In case anyone is interested, I did a bit of calling around to dealers before deciding on the Pirelli\'s. The best deal I found from a dealer was Dave Wood Mazda in NewMarket - P205/55/R16 Blizzak WS-50 mounted/installed $899.

Cheers All.

James - Toronto.



AFAIK, there is no tire pressure sensor in the canadian 3\'s

[PlatMS6]

picking up my kumho kw19 in 195/65/15 on steelies saturday :)

has anyone put on these steelies in 15\"? hows the fit?

tnx

[FLIPDADY]

I just ordered 16\" Kumho KW19\'s w/ steelies for the car, as soon as it gets nasty out there I\'m slappin\' them on.

[kaikara]

Just picked up my 205 55 16 Kumho KW19 on 16\" steels. Martin was a nice guy to deal with everying went off no problem. He said they tested the steels on a GT and they fit no problem. I will be putting them on when the weather gets worse.

[hotgo]

That\'s good to hear...

Question: Why is everyone picking the kw19 over the kw17? I\'m trying to decide between them and was wondering how you guys decided?

Thanks.

[RedRaptor]

I don\'t know why people are choosing KW19, I believe KW17 cost more because the thread is better and it has a higher rated speed. I\'m picking up my KW17s this weekend from Tires23.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by hotgo


That\'s good to hear...

Question: Why is everyone picking the kw19 over the kw17? I\'m trying to decide between them and was wondering how you guys decided?

Thanks.

KW19 - pure snow tire; is a studable tire so ice performance without the studs wouldn\'t be as good as the KW17; will perform well in deep snow

KW17 - performance winter tire; higher speed rating than the KW19 - stiffer sidewall; won\'t be as good in deep snow as the KW19, but better for highway driving; side shoulder blocks are designed to evacuate slush and water better....a tire suited for city/highway driving where the roads will be cleared quickly


if people are familiar with Nokian tires, the KW19 would be like the Nokian Hakka1 and Hakka2 and the KW17 would be similar to the Nokian WR.


I decided on the KW17 because of the fact that i do a lot of highway driving (~500-1000kms highway per week) and wanted something that wouldn\'t compromise high speed stability and performance.

[majic]

very well said MBN :D

the very same reasoning can be used in picking Hankook\'s W300 (KW-17 equiv) tire over it\'s brother the W604 (KW-19 equiv, successor to the W400 series).. the former is an H or V rated tire vs the Q/T/S rated W604..

also.. from what Morty says (tiretrends rep) here (http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/discuss/show.pl?tpc=2479&post=81125#POST81125) he wouldn\'t recommend going to a \'softer\' tire as braking/handling could be affected...

and here (http://www.canadiandriver.com/cgi-bin/discuss/show.pl?tpc=2479&post=81284#POST81284) Ajmerc says that the treaswear on the W300s is pretty good..

that\'s the tire i will be getting shortly

[04BlkVibe]

Alright..I just got my steelies that I got from Tires23 installed on my Vibe. It looks great (as good as steelies can be) and it fits!

Things that you would need to know:
1. Steelies do not come w/ valve. You can get one installed w/ your balancing and mounting for only $5 (total). If you live up in Markham, I\'d highly recommend Quantor Auto (11 Heritage Road - Unit #1 - 905-201-8000). That\'s where I got it down.

2. Steelies nuts are different than OEM nuts for the Vibe. I had to go buy 20 nuts that is made to fit steel rims.

I\'m not sure about the Mazda 3. Just something that you would need to look into.

N\'ways..I do highly recommend Tires23. Just wish they have a shop that can install and mount the tires too...

[01AWW18T]

Hi Everyone, I just purchased 4 Dunlop M3 with steelies from tires23. Great service and very happy with the purchase


I\'ll try to take some pics when I have time of the tires. I placed the tires side by side next to the stock 17 inch rims and tires and the diameter is nearly identical, maybe .25 cm smaller.

[01AWW18T]

Originally posted by 04BlkVibe


Alright..I just got my steelies that I got from Tires23 installed on my Vibe. It looks great (as good as steelies can be) and it fits!

Things that you would need to know:
1. Steelies do not come w/ valve. You can get one installed w/ your balancing and mounting for only $5 (total). If you live up in Markham, I\'d highly recommend Quantor Auto (11 Heritage Road - Unit #1 - 905-201-8000). That\'s where I got it down.

2. Steelies nuts are different than OEM nuts for the Vibe. I had to go buy 20 nuts that is made to fit steel rims.

I\'m not sure about the Mazda 3. Just something that you would need to look into.

N\'ways..I do highly recommend Tires23. Just wish they have a shop that can install and mount the tires too...


did u not get them mounted and balanced by tires23? I think they take it to a shop. The package I got came mounted and balanced.

[PlatMS6]

just got home from driving around for 2 hrs trying to find a place that will just switch my friggin tires. all of them said come back monday (i guess they dont think its worth it for 20$) :(

anyways

i got the 195/65/15 KumhoKW19, on steelies
looks like a great tire (anyone up for the forks credit (c7 cruise route) cruise in january :D ?????? lol)

ive dealt the whole time with martin and just picked em up from billy (i guess a partner in tires23), good ppl to deal with and would reccommend em to anyone!

just like someone else mentioned...if they had a garage themselves to pop these suckers on the car it would be zuper , other than that ....it worked out great!


i guess ill pop em on myself...just gotta resist laziness! :p


ps: tires23....highly reccommended

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by 2004mz3

ps: tires23....highly reccommended

+1 :D

[PlatMS6]

got the tires on at mr. lube for $23 tax inc, amazing guys; actually from now on im only bringing my car there for service, mazda can lick ass

ride is really good on these tires (kw19), while they look really aggressive their ride is good and there is barely any extra humming when the window is down, grip is really good in the rain and dry (thats so far, still gotta see snow, but i have no doubts;))

im glad i went with the kumhoKW19 and tires23.com (one of the mr. lube guys is actually gonna get in touch with them for his tires, he was excited when i told him the price) {forgot to bring the business card so i sent him to tires23.com...btw that site should have the prices on it..ahh well})

[RedRaptor]

Picked up my Kumho KW17 with 16\" steelies from Tires23.com today. Brand new with the stickers still on the tires. Highly recommended. I dealt with Martin Ng and I like the service so much I will be going back to them for summer performance tires next summer.

Here are some pics of the KW17s with steelies

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Wheels/kw17a.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Wheels/kw17b.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Wheels/kw17c.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Wheels/kw17d.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Wheels/kw17e.jpg

[01AWW18T]

as promised, here are the pics:

http://individual.utoronto.ca/rogerkwong/tires/tires.htm


suspension didn\'t settle when I took the pic of the tire mounted., so it looks kinda weird:)


Anyone know what type of anti-seize I should use for the hub? i don\'t want the steelies to rust against it., making it hard to remove during Spring.,.,


Also, is it recommended that I put some anti-seize on the lug bolts as well? or will that mess up the bolts and lugs holding the correct torque

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by 01AWW18T


as promised, here are the pics:

http://individual.utoronto.ca/rogerkwong/tires/tires.htm


suspension didn\'t settle when I took the pic of the tire mounted., so it looks kinda weird:)


Anyone know what type of anti-seize I should use for the hub? i don\'t want the steelies to rust against it., making it hard to remove during Spring.,.,


Also, is it recommended that I put some anti-seize on the lug bolts as well? or will that mess up the bolts and lugs holding the correct torque

you can get the permatex anti-seize stuff that comes in a little bottle. the cap has a brush at the end to make it easy to apply the anti-seize stuff to the hub.

the owner\'s manual advises against putting any type of \"grease\" to the lug nuts ...but it doesn\'t hurt to put a little dab of anti-seize on it....if not available, spray wd-40 into the lugs. that will make it easier to take off in the spring.

the range for the recommended torque is so wide that a little anti-seize or wd-40 won\'t mess up the lugs holding the correct torque.

[04BlkVibe]

Martin @ Tires23.

Just helped spread the word on Matrixowners.

http://www.matrixowners.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=32112

Thanks for a great deal.

[hotgo]

Another quick question for those that have picked up their tires from Tires23. Where in Mississauga are the located? Roughly... I\'m in Waterloo, so just wondering how far into the city I\'d have to come...

Also, what about e-spec? Are they in Mississauga as well?

And I\'m still having a TOUGH time choosing between the KW17 and KW19. The tread on the KW17 looks pretty shallow looking at the pictures that are posted a few messages up... will they last? Thw KW19 tread looks deeper... hmmm... damn decisions :)

Thanks.

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by hotgo
Another quick question for those that have picked up their tires from Tires23. Where in Mississauga are the located? Roughly... I\'m in Waterloo, so just wondering how far into the city I\'d have to come...


Tires23 is located on Erin Mills Parkway, so if you coming from the 401, take 403 and then exit Erin Mills Parkway.

[Newlook]

Originally posted by RedRaptor



Originally posted by hotgo
Another quick question for those that have picked up their tires from Tires23. Where in Mississauga are the located? Roughly... I\'m in Waterloo, so just wondering how far into the city I\'d have to come...


Tires23 is located on Erin Mills Parkway, so if you coming from the 401, take 403 and then exit Erin Mills Parkway.

Hotgo comes from Waterloo.... you\'re back tracking if you get on the 403 from EB 401 (there\'s no exit to 403 in Mississauga anyways from EB401).

Hop on the 401 EB, exit Mississauga Rd., turn right (south) and head straight down. Mississauga Rd. turns into Erin Mills Pkway south of the 401.

The E-Spec guys are also located in Mississauga. Give them an email/call and arrange for a meet-up. They seem to be pretty flexible.

[kaikara]

did you use the original lug nuts off your car or did you get special ones for the steels?


Originally posted by 01AWW18T


as promised, here are the pics:

http://individual.utoronto.ca/rogerkwong/tires/tires.htm


suspension didn\'t settle when I took the pic of the tire mounted., so it looks kinda weird:)


Anyone know what type of anti-seize I should use for the hub? i don\'t want the steelies to rust against it., making it hard to remove during Spring.,.,


Also, is it recommended that I put some anti-seize on the lug bolts as well? or will that mess up the bolts and lugs holding the correct torque

[thesober]

Im going to go with the kw19\'s, they look much more agressive than the kw17\'s. I think the kw19\'s will be better in the snow and ice.

Can anyone post a closeup shot of the kw19\'s? I tried looking on the web but couldnt find any.


Originally posted by hotgo


Another quick question for those that have picked up their tires from Tires23. Where in Mississauga are the located? Roughly... I\'m in Waterloo, so just wondering how far into the city I\'d have to come...

Also, what about e-spec? Are they in Mississauga as well?

And I\'m still having a TOUGH time choosing between the KW17 and KW19. The tread on the KW17 looks pretty shallow looking at the pictures that are posted a few messages up... will they last? Thw KW19 tread looks deeper... hmmm... damn decisions :)

Thanks.

[majic]

these are the closest shots i could find

KW-19 http://www.kumhotire.com/productimage/kw19_1_KW19.jpg KW-17 http://www.kumhotire.com/productimage/b_izen_kw17_1_KW17.jpg

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by 04BlkVibe

I\'d highly recommend Quantor Auto (11 Heritage Road - Unit #1 - 905-201-8000). That\'s where I got it down.


How much do they charge to mount and balance per tire?

[majic]

red,

i thought you already had them mounted and balanced.. or are you thinking in advance for your summer 18s :D

or you might be referring to \'installing\' your winters on your car.. Avante will do it for 25+ tax (roughly)

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by majic
red,

i thought you already had them mounted and balanced.. or are you thinking in advance for your summer 18s :D

or you might be referring to \'installing\' your winters on your car.. Avante will do it for 25+ tax (roughly)

Majic,

I was asking in advance for my summer rims next year.;)

[majic]

nice nice.. lucky GS owner .. i wish 15s fit on the GTs..

anyway.. just a word of caution.. the KW19s (from what i\'ve read) are a bit softer (yours are T rated from what i see in the pic) thus more sticky than your stock toyos, hence a nice grippy ride :D but .. at the same time they will wear out faster if you ride them as aggressively as the stocks or some V/H rated tires..

[thesober]

Thanks for the closeups of the KW19.

[01AWW18T]

Originally posted by kaikara


did you use the original lug nuts off your car or did you get special ones for the steels?


I used the original ones.,. they have a tapered end that will work with the steelies

[PlatMS6]

ok well today i went for a cruise with my original club gendub (vw club) at forks credit! it was wet and no i did not have to back of in those corners :) btw i have the kumho kw19 tires and they sticked 100x better than the toyo originals (which are garbage btw).
i washed the car b4 the cruise but forgot to take pix, so i have alot of the after ones, they are a bit dirty (steelies).


the grip in wet/dry is amzing so far and i am 100% satisfiyed with the purchase!

some pix of the tread and the tires on the car:

http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20026b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20027b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20028b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20029b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20030b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20030b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20031b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20032b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20033b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20034b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20035b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20036b.JPG
http://www.jelicgroup.com/Picture%20037b.JPG

[FLIPDADY]

My KW19\'s just arrived today but I won\'t put them on until it gets bad outside. I read some rally teams use the KW19 for ice racing too so I think I made a wise choice. One of the key features of the KW19 was it\'s performance on ice and deep snow. I\'m still considering putting on the Mazda6 wheel covers to cover the black steelies.

[bubba1983]

BAH, jus roll with no covers....do it old school!

[idreamofmazda]

Originally posted by bubba1983


BAH, jus roll with no covers....do it old school!

I wonder if the covers offer more protection for your wheel-bolts from the salt of winter?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by idreamofmazda



Originally posted by bubba1983


BAH, jus roll with no covers....do it old school!

I wonder if the covers offer more protection for your wheel-bolts from the salt of winter?




limited protection

[firstmazda]

Originally posted by FLIPSPEED

I\'m still considering putting on the Mazda6 wheel covers to cover the black steelies.

How much do those wheel covers go for?

and what\'s the difference btwn kw17 vs. kw19?
Edit: Never mind.... found it :p

[firstmazda]

Tires23:
Do you have a price for 17\" BF Goodrich Traction T/As? (H rated)
I\'ve recently heard & read very impressive reviews on these.


Thanks,
Ray

[FLIPDADY]

Wheel covers are less than $40 each.

[MZ3_GS]

Ok, who here has winter tires on steelies and has made sure they\'re hub centric on their cars?

This is SO VERY important. Anyone?

2004mz3\'s steelies look to be hubcentric...where did he get those?

[midnightfxgt]

Tires23 sells generic steelies. These ARE NOT Hub-centric steelies.

~JOHN

[kaikara]

Hubcentric rims are nice to have but not critcial - if they are generic you can get a set of hubcentric rings to help centre the rim properly. (ususally steels won\'t work with hubcentric rings). If you don\'t use that then you just have to be careful if you put the rim on yourself. work in a star pattern and tighten the wheel when it is in the air with no weight on it doing each lug a little bit at a time. that will help you center it properly...also a second person to help you would be good when you are putting them on.

[01AWW18T]

can anyone explain what hub centric means?

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by kaikara


Hubcentric rims are nice to have but not critcial - if they are generic you can get a set of hubcentric rings to help centre the rim properly. (ususally steels won\'t work with hubcentric rings). If you don\'t use that then you just have to be careful if you put the rim on yourself. work in a star pattern and tighten the wheel when it is in the air with no weight on it doing each lug a little bit at a time. that will help you center it properly...also a second person to help you would be good when you are putting them on.

+1

i just put my steelies/kw17s on...there is no need for hubcentric rings. the stock lugs are tapered and, as long as you tighten in the proper star pattern like kaikara described, the rim will centre itself.

there is no vibration in my car from 0 to 100km/h....hands off the wheel, the car tracks straight and there\'s no movement of the steering wheel.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by 01AWW18T


can anyone explain what hub centric means?

scroll down... (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/brochure/accessories/tmpAccessoriesWheels.jsp)

Hub-centric rings ensure that the wheels are perfectly centered on the vehicle\'s hub. These rings do not offer any increase in safety, nor do they affect structural integrity, but they do assist in providing a vibration-free ride.

[idreamofmazda]

I’ve had my Pirelli’s on since Saturday, with aftermarket steel wheels, and no hub centric rings. The first drive seamed to be a bit of vibration, but as I stated on one of my other posts, I expect it to diminish, after the fur wears off the tires. I re-torqued the bolts after the first day, and will do again this weekend, just to be sure. When I went home from work on Monday, I was halfway home before I remembered that I had new winter tires on. If it’s not raining tomorrow, I will take some pictures of my tires during lunch, and have a little show-and-tell.

[MZ3_GS]

Originally posted by MajesticBlueN



Originally posted by 01AWW18T


can anyone explain what hub centric means?

scroll down... (http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/brochure/accessories/tmpAccessoriesWheels.jsp)

Hub-centric rings ensure that the wheels are perfectly centered on the vehicle\'s hub. These rings do not offer any increase in safety, nor do they affect structural integrity, but they do assist in providing a vibration-free ride.

Its not about ride. It is about safety. The hub is designed to carry the weight of the car. NOT THE WHEEL STUDS.

[kaikara]

Actually the hub does not carry the weight. If you have ever used a hubcentric ring (which are usually plastic) it would get munched if this was the case. The hub is there to help centre the wheels on the studs. now the problem without using hub or ring to center is that if it is off you can get vibrations because it is not exactly on center. And if it is way off then you could get damage because of vibrations. again it is better if you can get hubcentric rims but not critical as long as you are careful when putting on the rim.


Originally posted by MZ3_GS

Its not about ride. It is about safety. The hub is designed to carry the weight of the car. NOT THE WHEEL STUDS.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Originally posted by MZ3_GS


Its not about ride. It is about safety. The hub is designed to carry the weight of the car. NOT THE WHEEL STUDS.

could you explain how a piece of hard plastic transmits the force (in this case, >3000 Newtons/wheel) from the overbored rim portion to the wheel hub?

then, that way, people can make an informed decision about whether or not they need hubcentric rings.

[MZ3_GS]

SEE The pictures posted by that other guy. That is (looks to be) a hubcentric wheel

[MZ3_GS]

Ok. Sure those who have put a wheel on will probably understand better...

Lets consider a hubcentric wheel first. When the car is sitting on the ground. The tire will exert a force on the hub; which is equal in magnitude opposite in direction to the force that the car exert on the bore of the wheel.

You can understand this by placing a hubcentric wheel on the car and lowering it without putting lug nuts on. The car essentially rests on the wheel and the point of CONTACT is with the HUB. So you can see the hub is designed to carry the weight on that corner of the car.

Now, lets tighten the nuts. Steelies use Cone seat nuts, as do the OEM Alloys that is why this picture is shown with Closed ended chrome nuts. When you tighten the nuts on the cone seats contacts the wheel and makes a perfect fit and prevents lateral movement of the wheel; not vertical cause the hubcentric wheel has done that part already.

You can prove this by, can you loosen all your nuts with the car on the ground? I can, and the wheel doesn\'t move either. Infact you\'re supposed to loosen and torque the nuts with the car on the ground if you\'re not on a hoist of jack stands.

No lets take a non hubcentric wheel. What happens when you place the car on the ground without tightening the bolts. The wheel with go off center. Ofcourse a hub centric ring will fix this by centering the wheel on the hub. But lets say we don\'t use one. Without one where is the point of contact between the car and wheel? That is where is load is distributed, without a hubcentric wheel it is distributed in the wheel studs and lugs.

Now tighten the bolts on the car, yes the nuts and stud will center the wheel correctly. What happens if the car is off the jack? Well now there is not point of contact between the HUB and Wheel. So the weight of the of the car is now distributed to your lugs, wheel studs.

I hope you get that cause if you don\'t. I can\'t explain it without pictures. The best way to explain it is with the Car and wheels.

And as for those plastic hub rings; yes they aren\'t the best. They make other ones out of different materials. but back to my point. I\'ve been asking all along if these wheels are hubcentric, not to know if I need to get hub rings, but to know that I will not buy the wheels if they are non-hubcentric to our cars.

The right solution is the proper one. Now it is your money, your car, your saftey so feel free to do as you please. I\'m offering my advice as nothing more than that.

[midnightfxgt]

Originally posted by MZ3_GS

but back to my point. I\'ve been asking all along if these wheels are hubcentric, not to know if I need to get hub rings

I think I answered that for you in the post immediatley after yours.:p

~JOHN

[kaikara]

Almost all steels that you are going to get are generic and thus not hubcentric. If you want hubcentric rims check a mazda dealership - i think some of the other postings on winter tires listed a mazda delaership posting prices on rims and tires.

oh and no hubcentric rim i ever put on would allow you to sit the rim on the hub and then lower the car to the ground - the rim would fall off the hub. plus you would be a moron to try this as the lugs tie the wheel to the car and thus you will probably do serious damage to the car when the wheel falls off as you lower it dropping your car on the ground - so i would advise no one to try this at home.

but as i said before best situation = hubcentric rims but you will get along fine without out them as you mount them carefully or have a professional mount them. my advice is to call a tire place if you are unsure and talk to a professional if you are worried yoruself.



Originally posted by MZ3_GS


Ok. Sure those who have put a wheel on will probably understand better...

Lets consider a hubcentric wheel first. When the car is sitting on the ground. The tire will exert a force on the hub; which is equal in magnitude opposite in direction to the force that the car exert on the bore of the wheel.

You can understand this by placing a hubcentric wheel on the car and lowering it without putting lug nuts on. The car essentially rests on the wheel and the point of CONTACT is with the HUB. So you can see the hub is designed to carry the weight on that corner of the car.

Now, lets tighten the nuts. Steelies use Cone seat nuts, as do the OEM Alloys that is why this picture is shown with Closed ended chrome nuts. When you tighten the nuts on the cone seats contacts the wheel and makes a perfect fit and prevents lateral movement of the wheel; not vertical cause the hubcentric wheel has done that part already.

You can prove this by, can you loosen all your nuts with the car on the ground? I can, and the wheel doesn\'t move either. Infact you\'re supposed to loosen and torque the nuts with the car on the ground if you\'re not on a hoist of jack stands.

No lets take a non hubcentric wheel. What happens when you place the car on the ground without tightening the bolts. The wheel with go off center. Ofcourse a hub centric ring will fix this by centering the wheel on the hub. But lets say we don\'t use one. Without one where is the point of contact between the car and wheel? That is where is load is distributed, without a hubcentric wheel it is distributed in the wheel studs and lugs.

Now tighten the bolts on the car, yes the nuts and stud will center the wheel correctly. What happens if the car is off the jack? Well now there is not point of contact between the HUB and Wheel. So the weight of the of the car is now distributed to your lugs, wheel studs.

I hope you get that cause if you don\'t. I can\'t explain it without pictures. The best way to explain it is with the Car and wheels.

And as for those plastic hub rings; yes they aren\'t the best. They make other ones out of different materials. but back to my point. I\'ve been asking all along if these wheels are hubcentric, not to know if I need to get hub rings, but to know that I will not buy the wheels if they are non-hubcentric to our cars.

The right solution is the proper one. Now it is your money, your car, your saftey so feel free to do as you please. I\'m offering my advice as nothing more than that.

[kaikara]

This was from another post doesn\'t say whether the steels are hubcentric so give them a call.


Hi,

For people looking for winter tire packages this is a sample of what we offer.

205/55/R16 TOYO Garit HT with steel wheels installed $849.00 plus taxes

205/55/R16 KUMHO KW17 with steel wheels installed $749.00 plus taxes.

For other sizes call our service dept. at 416-642-7777.

Avante Mazda

[majic]

taken DIRECTLY from tirerack (http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/centerb.htm)


The centerbore of a wheel is the size of the machined hole on the back of the wheel that centers the wheel properly on the hub of the car. This hole is machined to exactly match the hub so the wheels are precisely positioned, minimizing the chance of a vibration. With a hubcentric wheel, the lug hardware will not be supporting the weight of the vehicle, all they really do is press the wheel against the hub of the car. Some wheels use high quality, forged centering rings that lock into place in the back of the wheel. This is an acceptable alternative.

If you have non-hubcentric (lugcentric) wheels, they should be torqued correctly while the vehicle is still off of the ground so they center properly. The weight of the vehicle can push the wheel off-center slightly while you\'re tightening them down if left on the ground.

[MZ3_GS]

Originally posted by kaikara

oh and no hubcentric rim i ever put on would allow you to sit the rim on the hub and then lower the car to the ground - the rim would fall off the hub. plus you would be a moron to try this as the lugs tie the wheel to the car and thus you will probably do serious damage to the car when the wheel falls off as you lower it dropping your car on the ground - so i would advise no one to try this at home.



I have no problem with this....

Whatever I hope that it is apparent to everyone that the hub and bore have more function than the center the wheel.

You may come to your own conclusion.

This is the important part:

With a hubcentric wheel, the lug hardware will not be supporting the weight of the vehicle, all they really do is press the wheel against the hub of the car. Some wheels use high quality, forged centering rings that lock into place in the back of the wheel. This is an acceptable alternative.

[PlatMS6]

ive driven my car for over 1000km so far with the steelies from tires23.com with no problems whatsoever. installed em at mr. lube and they tightened the lugs in a star pattern.

you shouldnt worry about this if the car is still suspended and u tighten the bolts in the correct pattern a little bit at a time.

[kaikara]

No actually this is wrong - i emailed an engineer that i know that works for GM just to be sure. he works on engine and drivetrain components so i assure you he knows his stuff. He says that there is enough tolerance beween the hub and wheel on a hubcentric rim so that the hub actually carries little if any weight. once the lugs are tightened down there is actually a gap (although extremely small) between the wheel and the hub. Thus in the end the load is carried by the wheel, studs, lugs, and where it is pressed agains the car not the outside ring of the hub. This is why you can use plastic hubcentric rings - in the end all that the outside ring of the hub does is center the rim onto the car.

also checked the manual and there is a section about rims - it talks about having the correct offset, size etc but nothing about the rim having to be hubcentric.

has anyone atually talked to a dealership to see if the steel rims they sell are hubcentric?



Originally posted by MZ3_GS

This is the important part:

With a hubcentric wheel, the lug hardware will not be supporting the weight of the vehicle, all they really do is press the wheel against the hub of the car. Some wheels use high quality, forged centering rings that lock into place in the back of the wheel. This is an acceptable alternative.

[idreamofmazda]

Originally posted by kaikara


No actually this is wrong - i emailed an engineer that i know that works for GM just to be sure. he works on engine and drivetrain components so i assure you he knows his stuff. He says that there is enough tolerance beween the hub and wheel on a hubcentric rim so that the hub actually carries little if any weight. once the lugs are tightened down there is actually a gap (although extremely small) between the wheel and the hub. Thus in the end the load is carried by the wheel, studs, lugs, and where it is pressed agains the car not the outside ring of the hub. This is why you can use plastic hubcentric rings - in the end all that the outside ring of the hub does is center the rim onto the car.

also checked the manual and there is a section about rims - it talks about having the correct offset, size etc but nothing about the rim having to be hubcentric.

has anyone atually talked to a dealership to see if the steel rims they sell are hubcentric?



Originally posted by MZ3_GS

This is the important part:

With a hubcentric wheel, the lug hardware will not be supporting the weight of the vehicle, all they really do is press the wheel against the hub of the car. Some wheels use high quality, forged centering rings that lock into place in the back of the wheel. This is an acceptable alternative.


When I took my factory steel wheels off, I checked to see how much the hub is actually holding the wheel, there was some play, and I would guess 3mm of movement, so I would say it’s not doing very much to center the wheel.

As for asking the dealer, they wouldn’t know, just tell you to only used Mazda wheels.

[kaikara]

Actually i had to call my dealership to set up a service date so i asked about the steel rims. They said they were mazda steels and that they were hubcentric. They have them there so i will take a look at them when i go in for service.


Originally posted by idreamofmazda

When I took my factory steel wheels off, I checked to see how much the hub is actually holding the wheel, there was some play, and I would guess 3mm of movement, so I would say it’s not doing very much to center the wheel.

As for asking the dealer, they wouldn’t know, just tell you to only used Mazda wheels.

[MZ3_GS]

Ofcourse Mazda Wheels will be hub centric. Each Manufacturer uses their own hub size. I\'ve never had a car with factory wheels where there is any gap what so ever between the hub and the bore of the wheel.

I agree that the studs are designed to carry some weight, or else why would trucks have lik 12 lugs? , but the hub assists in that matter as well.

[kaikara]

actually that is not always the case. I had a friend who got steels from a dealership (not mazda) and they were generic and not hubcentric. Just because you go through a dealership doesn\'t mean you will get hubcentric rims.

as for what carries the weight you can believe what ever you want but i think i will go with the opinion of the engineer who works for GM who says it carries little or no weight.


Originally posted by MZ3_GS


Ofcourse Mazda Wheels will be hub centric. Each Manufacturer uses their own hub size. I\'ve never had a car with factory wheels where there is any gap what so ever between the hub and the bore of the wheel.

I agree that the studs are designed to carry some weight, or else why would trucks have lik 12 lugs? , but the hub assists in that matter as well.

[ng3]

So to get to a result, without more bickering, do I NEED to get hubcentric rims (meaning, will my wheels fall off while driving if I don\'t have those?) OR I can get by with normal steelies for the 2-3 months I\'ll be driving on them?

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by ng3


So to get to a result, without more bickering, do I NEED to get hubcentric rims (meaning, will my wheels fall off while driving if I don\'t have those?) OR I can get by with normal steelies for the 2-3 months I\'ll be driving on them?

Ok. This whole hubcentric rings/rims has gone on long enough and scared enough newbies. You are FINE with generic/normal steelies. This is ridiculous. Can you imagine if you couldn\'t use generic/normal steelies on any car, how many cars would have to be pulled off the road right now?

I have Tires23 16\" generic steelies with KW17 and so do A LOT of forum members here.

[PlatMS6]

Originally posted by RedRaptor



Originally posted by ng3


So to get to a result, without more bickering, do I NEED to get hubcentric rims (meaning, will my wheels fall off while driving if I don\'t have those?) OR I can get by with normal steelies for the 2-3 months I\'ll be driving on them?

Ok. This whole hubcentric rings/rims has gone on long enough and scared enough newbies. You are FINE with generic/normal steelies. This is ridiculous. Can you imagine if you couldn\'t use generic/normal steelies on any car, how many cars would have to be pulled off the road right now?

I have Tires23 16\" generic steelies with KW17 and so do A LOT of forum members here.



EXACTLY



ive got over a thousand kilometers on my car with the tires23.com 15\" on kumho kw19 and all is good, no problems, 100km and over no vibrations whatsover... i think the stress from the curves during the cruise i did on forks of the credit on the 31st proved just that :p

[kaikara]

Thank you - some voices of reason.



Originally posted by RedRaptor

Ok. This whole hubcentric rings/rims has gone on long enough and scared enough newbies. You are FINE with generic/normal steelies. This is ridiculous. Can you imagine if you couldn\'t use generic/normal steelies on any car, how many cars would have to be pulled off the road right now?

I have Tires23 16\" generic steelies with KW17 and so do A LOT of forum members here.

[kaikara]

my opinion and the GM engineer that i talked to said you don\'t have to worry. You just have to be a little more careful putting the rims on to get them centered and avoid vibrations.

put it this way I have a 67 Chevy Malibu 454 that puts out near 500 HP and the rims are not hubcentric. The forces being generated are way more then a mazda 3 can produce and it has been good to go since before some/most of us were born. hahaha. but when you look at the studs they look damn near the same as what is on our or any modern car. This is one part of the car that they way over engineered and built to extremely high specs. I mean a faliure here means major damage and possible death.

so buy the generics and don\'t worry about it.




Originally posted by ng3


So to get to a result, without more bickering, do I NEED to get hubcentric rims (meaning, will my wheels fall off while driving if I don\'t have those?) OR I can get by with normal steelies for the 2-3 months I\'ll be driving on them?

[jlefk44]

FYI...

Just picked up tires/wheels yesterday. Tires23 was professional, friendly, and I received exactly what I expected. I had the tires swapped out yesterday afternoon. Did my own asking about hubcetric wheels and was told that its not a \"need to have\" so long as the wheels are installed correctly. I did not use hub rings. Everything is great. Smooth ride with no vibration. I will recommend Tires23 and will likely talk to them again in Spring.

Hey....Anyone recommend a a place where I can trade my stock 17\" Alloys and Eagle RS-A\'s for somthing better? Thought I\'d clean \'em up and see what I can get for \'em.

Cheers..

[majic]

Originally posted by jlefk44

Hey....Anyone recommend a a place where I can trade my stock 17\" Alloys and Eagle RS-A\'s for somthing better? Thought I\'d clean \'em up and see what I can get for \'em.

Cheers..



unfortunately nobody wants those RS-As.. and since they are used u\'ll get 20bux per tire.. IF THAT.. selling them in conjunction with the wheels MIGHT fetch a bit more for the tires but you\'re better off probably just burning them yourself :p

[MazdaTree]

hey tires23 when u get the kw17s back in stock can u post a msg

[MGPWR]

Hi,

I\'m new to the forum and have been browsing the site for the last couple of months and found it extremely useful. I just got my GT about 1 month ago and I\'m looking to buy winter tires. It seems like I\'m a little late in doing this. I\'d like to get the Kumho KW 19\'s but it seems like the\'re sold out everywhere. So I think I\'m going to buy the Hankook W300. Has anyone used these tires yet?

[Tires23]

Dear members,

All 16\" \"take off\" steel rims are SOLD OUT. We now only offer 2 other kinds of steel rims.
Prices have been updated in the price list.

Thanks

[Tires23]

MazdaTree: We\'re still trying to get more Kumhos but they are on a major back order now and not likely to come anysoon.
The Hankook W300 seems to be the best seller now around that price range but they\'re running out quickly.

[cstraw]

Thanks for meeting with me on Friday Martin. I had no problems installing the tires myself. I am surprised to find the tire noise of the Hankook W300 to be less than the Eagle RS-A. One more strike against the stock tires. For everyone else still on the fence regarding who to purchase tires from, I will recommend Tires23.

Chris

[Tires23]

Thanks everyone for their reviews on our products.

We just brought in a few sets of Nexen (made by Kumho) 205/55/16 H-rated winter tires. Package price with steelies $645.

Also, for 15\" we have Nexen 195/65/15 with steelies $500. Hankook W404 with steelies $600.


Thanks

[MazdaTree]

hey tires23 any news on the AEM COLD AIR for Automatics
item #
21-488

[Zaku_4]

umm,

where are you guys located? what tires do you have left? im looking for kw19\'s with 16;; steelies. what is the price with instalation? do u guys install>

[chaser]

Originally posted by Zaku_4
umm,
where are you guys located? what tires do you have left? im looking for kw19\'s with 16;; steelies. what is the price with instalation? do u guys install>

You may email or call them for more direct response. Check their website (http://www.tires23.com/) for contact. They\'re in Mississauga.

[Xenon]

Originally posted by chaser



Originally posted by Zaku_4
umm,
where are you guys located? what tires do you have left? im looking for kw19\'s with 16;; steelies. what is the price with instalation? do u guys install>

You may email or call them for more direct response. Check their website (http://www.tires23.com/) for contact. They\'re in Mississauga.

My winters were installed for an additional $20. Dealers usually do it for $29.99+tax if the tires are already mounted and balanced. If you just give them tires and steelies, it will cost $79.99 to mount, balance and install the tires.

[majic]

why is this thread a sticky? why doesn\'t E-spec get the same attention? tires23 isn\'t even an afilliate as per this thread (http://torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=313) I mean they are great but so is Ed..

[Xenon]

I don\'t think I stickied it....

but whatever... it has been un-stickified

[Tires23]

Hi MazdaTree
AEM havent release the CAI for Mazda 3 Automatic yet. Still waiting for it.
Only available for Manual for now.
Thanks

[MazdaTree]

thanks keep me updated I heard its suppost to come out the 2nd week of this month