T23: Summer wheels & tires

[Tires23]

As some members have requested and after discussing with Lawrence (Xenon), we are now posting a list of our summer and a/s tires.

195/65/15
Falken ZE512 $310
Hankook H418 $340
Kumho 716HP4 (V rated) $410
Pirelli P6 $540
Pirelli P6000 (summer) (V)$580 (W)$650
Toyo TPT (v-rated) $540
Yokohama H4S $520
Yokohama dB S2 $540
Dunlop SP Sport 01 $570

205/55/16
Kumho 711 in stock special $340
Kumho 712 in stock special $380
Hankook K-104 $630
*Hankook H105 $475
*Hankook Z212 $525
Yokohama ES100 $655
Yokohama AVS Sport $875
Yokohama H4S (a/s) $600
Yokohama AVS dB S2 (a/s) $700
Toyo T1-S $850
Toyo Proxes 4 (a/s) $600
Toyo T1-R (new) $880
Fuzion ZRi $530
Bridestone S03 $1030
Falken Azenis Sport $580

205/50/17
Hankook K-104 $710
Federal SS595 $600
Kumho 712 $590
Kumho ASX $725
Toyo T1-S $945
Toyo T1-R $985
Yokohama AVS Sport $980
Yokohama ES100 $735


225/45/17
Fuzion ZRi $650
Azenis Sport $770
Toyo T1-R $1080
Toyo T1-S $1040
Yokohama AVS Sport $1050
Yokohama ES100 $790
*Hankook K-107 $835
*Hankook Z212 $795

225/40/18
Yokohama Parada Spec 2 $790
Yokohama ES100 $950
Yokohama AVS Sport $1425
Toyo Proxes 4 $980
Toyo T1-R $1425
Toyo T1-S $1375
Fuzion ZRi $770
Kumho 711 $660
Kumho 712 $735
Kumho MX $1250
Kumho ASX $795
Hankook K-104 $1010
*Hankook K-107 $1020
*Hankook Z212 $970

*New models

Work Emotion CR Kai 17\" $1460 (for TM3 memebers)
Volk Gram Lights 57 Pro 18x7.5 +50 in limited SMC finish $CALL
Volk LE28N 18x7.5 Gunmetal with polish lip $CALL
5 Zigen Fighter Titanium color 18x7.5 $CALL
numerous BSA,Ikon,ADR,Rota,ALT,Konig...etc coming $CALL

Please give us a call if we\'ve missed anything. Thanks

Martin

[Whos ur dadd]

These guys are classy.

[cstraw]

Hi Martin,
just took off the Hankook W300 tires I purchased from you. I am amazed at the tread still remaining. I will need to pick up some summer tires to replace the RS-A\'s shortly. I noticed you have the Kumho 712 Ecsta Supra in the 205/50/17 zize, would you also be able to source the Kumho ASX in that size too?

Chris

[majic]

Originally posted by cstraw



Hi Martin,
just took off the Hankook W300 tires I purchased from you. I am amazed at the tread still remaining. I will need to pick up some summer tires to replace the RS-A\'s shortly. I noticed you have the Kumho 712 Ecsta Supra in the 205/50/17 zize, would you also be able to source the Kumho ASX in that size too?

Chris

FYI.. since you have a dedicated winter tire, i would suggest a dedicated summer tire. it\'ll give you a better performance.. at the same time the asx will get you a better wear i guess (UTQG of 420 vs 280) but i THINK the 712 will be a MUCH cheaper option.. anyway.. your pick .. just figured i\'d let you know ;)

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by majic



Originally posted by cstraw



Hi Martin,
just took off the Hankook W300 tires I purchased from you. I am amazed at the tread still remaining. I will need to pick up some summer tires to replace the RS-A\'s shortly. I noticed you have the Kumho 712 Ecsta Supra in the 205/50/17 zize, would you also be able to source the Kumho ASX in that size too?

Chris

FYI.. since you have a dedicated winter tire, i would suggest a dedicated summer tire. it\'ll give you a better performance.. at the same time the asx will get you a better wear i guess (UTQG of 420 vs 280) but i THINK the 712 will be a MUCH cheaper option.. anyway.. your pick .. just figured i\'d let you know ;)


Sorry majic, but you are wrong on this one.

I just bought the Kumho ASX (KU21) in 225/40/18 from Tires23 and picked them up this weekend. Just wanted to give props to Martin for tracking a set of the ASX down for me since only US suppliers have them. Having bought my winters and summers from Tires23, I can say they are top notch with customer service and care.

The Kumho 712 is a 4 year old tire. The ASX is new and is a High Performance All Season tire. The performance difference between the two are marginal because you are comparing a old model 712 to the ASX. A better comparison would have been that the Fuzion ZRi perform better than the ASX, which they do, but I wanted longer treadwear life.

Also, the ASX are not much more expensive than the Kumho 712. We are talking about $50 more or so, when you are buying tires priced over $700...$50 difference to get the tires you want isn\'t much, is it?

cstraw:
The ASX are being mounted on my RX8 rims this week, so when I put them on my car in a week or two, I will let you know how they are.

Red.

[cstraw]

Thanks Majic and Red,
I have researched both the 712 and the ASX and it is the treadwear of the ASX that is drawing me towards it. The general concensus is that both tires offer great performance with the edge to the 712. However, I would like to have a \'more\' performance all-season that can get me through the fringe winter season we seem to experience twice a year and I do travel gravel roads frequently which means the all-season tread should serve me better. As Red mentioned the price isn\'t too great (or so I\'ve researched) I\'ll just need to see if Martin can find some. Red, I would appreciate hearing about the ASX\'s in a week... where did you find yours?

Chris

[majic]

yeah i know it\'s a 4yr old tire, but 2 of my friends have been running it and it\'s their 4th season on 712s now and they are very happy with the price, treadwear and the performance throughout their life. also i just realized that they are running 15s/16s and they might have tires with UTQG of 340 or 360 that might make a slight difference.

i do not have any experience with the ASX.. and i merely guessed that they would be more expensive that the 712s - just checked and on tirerack the ASX is a wholle 100US cents more than the 712 :D

looking at tirerack\'s latest tests for both tires, 712s (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/bfg_gforce_sport_c.jsp) and ASX (http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/kumho_ecsta_asx_c.jsp) they are neck in neck.. one edges the other in one category and vice versa in the next.

eveyone is entitled to their opinion that\'s why we\'re here and it\'ll be up to Chris to decide. and red (and Chris if you buy them), keep us posted on how the tires hold up..

ps. honestly, for everyday driving the miniute differences between the 2 tires won\'t really make that much of a difference.

[///M]

Originally posted by majic
ps. honestly, for everyday driving the miniute differences between the 2 tires won\'t really make that much of a difference.

I second that. My new Toyo Proxes4 are infinately more grippy than the RS-As and I haven\'t reached their limits yet - during everyday driving they don\'t feel all that different, apart from riding slightly stiffer with the lower profile. IMO, during normal driving in dry conditions you won\'t feel a huge difference whichever tire you choose.

If you\'re looking for a more summer orientated high-performance all season, take a look at the Toyo Proxes4. It\'s rated higher than the ASX for dry summer traction. It does, however, have a lower treadwear rating.

Proxes4
http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews/Toyo_Proxes_4_tire_reviews.html

ASX
http://www.1010tires.com/tirereviews/Kumho_Ecsta_ASX_tire_reviews.html

The Michelin Pilot Sport A/S is also a good, albeit very expensive choice.
http://www.1010tires.com/tire.asp?tirebrand=Michelin&tiremodel=Pilot%AE+Spo rt+A%2FS

[chaser]

better grip, shorter life, low(no) winter traction;
longer life, less grip, some winter traction;
better grip, good life, co$ty;

Our goal is to find the balance that fits us. ;)

(Exception: bad grip, short life and costy = RS-A)

[///M]

Originally posted by chaser


better grip, shorter life, low(no) winter traction;
longer life, less grip, some winter traction;
better grip, good life, co$ty;

Our goal is to find the balance that fits us. ;)

(Exception: bad grip, short life and costy = RS-A)

pretty much:
better grip, shorter life, low(no) winter traction; -> Proxes4
longer life, less grip, some winter traction; -> ASX
better grip, good life, co$ty; -> Pilot Sport A/S

;)

[Tires23]

Dear all,

I\'ve added Kumho ASX and some nice NEW Hankook models prices in the list on top.

thanks

Martin

[mikespike]

HEY MARTIN, how much would it be for ikon 17\" gt6 wheels ..

[dredd2099]

that taxes in?

[chaser]

I beliver they\'re tax in price, cash deal.

[cstraw]

If somebody has a moment, can they please explain why one would want to go with a 225/45/17 vs a 205/50/17 tire. Could the stock wheel be used when using the 225 width tire?

Thanks,
Chris

[majic]

Originally posted by cstraw



If somebody has a moment, can they please explain why one would want to go with a 225/45/17 vs a 205/50/17 tire. Could the stock wheel be used when using the 225 width tire?

Thanks,
Chris

225 is a wider tire (theoretically by 20mm) than a 205 so you get a larger contact area thus increasing grip.. the 225 tire is usually not recommended for our rim (width of 6.5\") BUT ppl have done it before and it\'s been fine..

at one of the mazda shows/days/tours - whatever you may call it - they were running 3s with stock wheels and 225 size tires.

[chaser]

Originally posted by cstraw

If somebody has a moment, can they please explain why one would want to go with a 225/45/17 vs a 205/50/17 tire. Could the stock wheel be used when using the 225 width tire?

Thanks,
Chris

Another reason is the type of tire doesn\'t come in size 205/50/17 (e.g. Fuzion ZRi)! The next size that yields the closest overall diameter of 205/50/17 is 225/45/17 (speaking of 17\" of course). You may go for narrower width but in general it\'s not recommanded. ;)

[dredd2099]

w/ a 225, think of it as getting xtra protection for ur rims as well against curbs
:)

[dredd2099]

oh yea
other cars ok to get same pricing?

[Tires23]

Originally posted by mikespike


HEY MARTIN, how much would it be for ikon 17\" gt6 wheels ..

Hello MIKESPIKE:
Please Emial us at sales@tires23.com for wheels pricing.
Thanks

[Tires23]

Dear M3 Members:
All prices we posted are tax included.
Please email us at sales@tires23.com if you have any question regarding tires, suspension, wheels.....etc.
Please do not PM us, PM is not working properly.
Thanks for your attention

[RedRaptor]

Originally posted by cstraw
Thanks Majic and Red,
I have researched both the 712 and the ASX and it is the treadwear of the ASX that is drawing me towards it. The general concensus is that both tires offer great performance with the edge to the 712. However, I would like to have a \'more\' performance all-season that can get me through the fringe winter season we seem to experience twice a year and I do travel gravel roads frequently which means the all-season tread should serve me better. As Red mentioned the price isn\'t too great (or so I\'ve researched) I\'ll just need to see if Martin can find some. Red, I would appreciate hearing about the ASX\'s in a week... where did you find yours?
Chris

Chris,

I did a small review on the Kumho ASX over at Mazda3.ca. I got them from Tires23.

Click here (http://creednet69.proboards31.com/index.cgi?board=GeneralMazda3&action=display&num=1 114529221) for review. :)

[cstraw]

Thanks RedRaptor,
I did some more shopping around for the ASX and couldn\'t find a better price than what Tires23 had them for. However, I also did some shopping on other High Performance All Seasons and found a set of 215/45/17 Hankook HII 405 for $115/tire. I researched them to death and determined that although they didn\'t have the same UTQG as the ASX\'s they were a great deal on a tire well liked by those who have used them. I\'ll post a review after I have had sufficient time to evaluate them.

Chris

[Tires23]

Hello TM3 members:
We just moved into our new retail location.
1380 Matheson blvd. Unit 8
Mississauga L4W 4P8
905-602-8881
Please email us if you have any question, our new number wont be ready for the next couple of days.
Thanks
Billy

[Whos ur dadd]

Thread hijack:

Martin, I\'m coming by tomorrow to pick up my lugs.

[mazda3boss]

woah i was gonna ask u where u located but i got it lol, thtas not too far from my work, i gotta go drop some stuff at work tomorrow so i\'ll drop by