standback or piggy-back system 2010+ 2.5l

[Kiyomi]

Just wondering if anyone has heard if there is a programmer or tuning device for the 2010+ 2.5l engines? been looking around, but havent found nything except for standalones worth $1500+, which is way too much for a n/a tune. anyone?

[Fack_Dude]

Dude. Your just wasting your money and time for your car. How much hp are you expecting to get from tuning.

[Chuckie]

Done properly, reasonable to expect 10-15 horsepower.
Now can we get back on topic please.

[Kiyomi]

Dude. Your just wasting your money and time for your car. How much hp are you expecting to get from tuning.

lmao, all i was asking was if there is one or not. once i have all the bolt-ons i want, just wanna get it tuned for fuel consumption purposes for daily driving/track purposes, and good afr.

[Kiyomi]

back to the topic, debating whether or not to go with the universal fic from Aem. nyone tried this yet?

[standsideways]

back to the topic, debating whether or not to go with the universal fic from Aem. nyone tried this yet?

Like fast guy said, dont waste your time and money, unless you plan on doin a high compression build+cams.

The money spent wont be rewarded..

Get boosted thats a good 5k spent

[Kiyomi]

Like fast guy said, dont waste your time and money, unless you plan on doin a high compression build+cams.

The money spent wont be rewarded..

Get boosted thats a good 5k spent

I want to go with the n/a approach. getting boost on a 2.5l motor when its not built for it would not be reliable. especially from what ive heard of the 2.3liter motors. the ms3 2.3 is specially built to withstand the boost and heat pressure. no doubt i would prob have to spend another 4-5k just replacing engine parts with forged parts to reliably run a turbo. sides no turbo or s/c kit out for the 2010+, asked already and was quoted 7k for a custom turbo kit, custom piping etc. mite as well buy a new car.
I still wanna c ur custom turbo, bet its sweet. u goin to the photoshoot?

[sol_searchin]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.

[FLIPDADY]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.

Dude F2 is no longer around.

[WingZero_]

. sides no turbo or s/c kit out for the 2010+

Wrong. GP Werks has a stage 1 and 2 kit. Give them a little more time and they will be offering a tuning solution (XFR) with their kits. Oh and they kits definitely aren't 7gs

[Kiyomi]

If your worried about reliability than go the supercharger route, pretty sure F2 either has one available or is in development. Going N/A on any engine costs big bucks to achieve anything decent. A standalone/piggy back are both ok depending on your budget, to maximize the HP you would need to do all bolt ons for it to be even worth it.

just about to have all my bolt-ons on tommorow in fact. ud be surprised how many n/a engines win at track events, and again many of them put alot of money into it. plus again f2 is no longer around. and to wingzero, i dont want predetermind mapping, just a piggyback system for a dyno place to tune afr, and timing properly. but i appreciate more options. depending on how the install of my parts goes and how the engine runs. mite not need or want a tune. also gotta test it on the track again.

[sol_searchin]

If I were you my next purchase would be a cams, than I would save up for a standalone and do those both at the same time. Like I said, it's hard to pump out a lot of power on a N/A motor unless you throw money at it.

[Kiyomi]

after everything is installed, gotta c how the car is running.

[aZuMi]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one

Price= $450 plus shipping
Worth it= YES!

Backround:
2010 Mazda 3 2.0L automatic with the sportshifter. CS SRI and CBE w/o race pipe or highflow cat.

First Drive:
After I installed the ECU I started it up and let it run for five minutes or so. I noticed the exhaust sounded a little different but I think that was from the little bit of 87 octane that was left in the tank. I pulled out to go to the gas station and I immediately felt a little bit more pull not even going over 2500 rpm. I didn't drive it too long before I put 91 octane in it. I drove around after that for a good 30 miles and I could deffinately feel a difference. In the lower rpm's, it pulls better and it feels smoother. So the "driveability" around town is improved. When I went WOT, HOLY SH!T. That was where I felt the biggest difference. I was just going to go from 0-60 but ended up hitting 80 and the speedometer climbed really fast (sorry no times yet). I was very suprised at how fast I hit 60. With the rev limiter gone, I let it get up to around 7200 rpm before I shifted into second gear and I don't remember if I put it in third before hiting 80. Going through sharp turns, I could deffinately feel more power coming out of them. It was alot of fun especially going through the turn with the rpm's high and really pulling hard out of it.

I do not understand why no one from this forum has gotten a reflash from dynotronics. This is deffinately the best mod out there for our cars short of a turbo or supercharger. Joe said the HP gains for the 2.0 are 10-16hp. I don't know about the torque but I could feel a good difference in both across the whole power band. Removing the ECU was easy. I can post a HOW TO thread if anyone wants me too but if you can take out your battery, you can remove your ECU. Joe is a very nice guy and great to work with. I Fedex priorty overnighted the ECU to him Tuesday and I had it back Friday same week.

Also, I did not do any data logging to get this reflash and I still see very impressive gains!

http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2...-2-0-a-10.html

[Kiyomi]

still kinda skeptical about this ecu reflash. i heard from somewhere, that its a hit or miss with some cars.

[WingZero_]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one




http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2...-2-0-a-10.html

JackF on that same site has the tune and he will be dynoing shortly. He has before dynos as well, and has been logging six the tune, so you will be able to know for certain if there are gains once he does that.

[aZuMi]

JackF on that same site has the tune and he will be dynoing shortly. He has before dynos as well, and has been logging six the tune, so you will be able to know for certain if there are gains once he does that.

Thanks for the update Wing. I'll keep an eye on that thread to see how it goes.

[Kiyomi]

keep us updated, cause my car cant get any worse on fuel mileage than rite now.

[standsideways]

keep us updated, cause my car cant get any worse on fuel mileage than rite now.

So right! Im getting more gas mileage on my turbo3 than your 2.5l

Dont waste time with flashes, boost it or build it.

[Kiyomi]

So right! Im getting more gas mileage on my turbo3 than your 2.5l

Dont waste time with flashes, boost it or build it.

haha serious eh. lolz, i was at half tank when we first got to cayuga, then i was on e when i left, and it said i had 10 kms left... lolz

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Saw this at M3R, a vendor called DP Tune is offering ECU reflash for 2010+ 2.5L for $500 and 2.0L for $450.


I'm actually kinda interested on the gains of the ECU reflash - but then again I don't want to be the first for this one

http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2...-2-0-a-10.html

I'm betting that the reflash by DP Tune is from Piasini

[WingZero_]

JackF has his car dyno'd this week post tune, and his previous dyno included a header, magnaflow exhaust, cs intake, and intake manifold. His pre-tune dyno was for the intake mani. Then the dyno before that his numbers were actually higher, so the intake mani, isn't the best for the car. But either way the tune shows decent gain.

I had my car dyno'd earlier this week below you will see my NET gains. I've been running the tune since 8/24.Overall I am pleased with the tune so far.... my fuel mileage has not suffered at all, car pulls harder and smoother. I'm going to send Dynotronics my current data logs as there is always room for improvement :tongue:

KEEP IN MIND my results ARE NOT going to be the typical. You may see higher results on a stock 2.5L MZ3 or with more basic bolt-ons. I am running the Godspeed (Cosworth clone) Intake manifold.... so my car wont behave like stock and my HP and TQ curve looks completely different!

"before run "8/19/11- "after run" 10/4/2011 -This is comparing the 3rd pull of 3 which produced the highest peak #'s during both sessions.

RPM__HP Before/After=Net gain___TQ Before/After =Net gain
2600__66.3 / 69.2 = +2.9____________133.9 / 139.7 = +5.8
2700__68.8 / 72.5 = +3.7____________133.8 / 141.0 = +7.2
2800__71.5 / 75.3 = +3.8____________134.2 / 141.3 = +7.1
2900__74.8 / 78.3 = +3.5____________135.5 / 141.8 = +6.3
3000__78.6 / 81.9 = +3.3____________137.7 / 143.3 = +5.6
3100__82.4 / 85.5 = +3.1____________139.7 / 144.8 = +5.1
3200__85.7 / 88.8 = +3.1____________140.6 / 145.7 = +5.1
3300__88.6 / 92.2 = +3.6____________141.0 / 146.7 = +5.7
3400__92.8 / 95.3 = +2.5____________143.4 / 147.3 = +3.9
3500__96.0 / 98.1 = +2.1____________144.0 / 147.3 = +3.3
3600__98.5 /100.8= +2.3____________143.7 / 147.1 = +3.4
3700__101.1/102.6= +1.5____________143.5 / 145.6 = +2.1
3800__103.2/104.2= +1.0____________142.7 / 144.0 = +1.3
3900__105.5/106.4= +0.9____________142.1 / 143.3 = +1.2
4000__108.1/109.0= +0.9____________141.9 / 143.1 = +1.2
4100__110.6/111.2= +0.6____________141.7 / 142.5 = +0.8
4200__112.6/113.7= +1.1____________140.8 / 142.1 = +1.3
4300__115.4/116.9= +1.5____________140.9 / 142.8 = +1.9
4400__118.2/120.3= +2.1____________141.0 / 143.6 = +2.6
4500__120.7/123.3= +2.6____________140.9 / 144.0 = +3.1
4600__123.6/126.3= +2.7____________141.1 / 144.2 = +3.1
4700__126.0/129.1= +3.1____________140.8 / 144.3 = +3.5
4800__128.0/131.4= +3.4____________140.0 / 143.7 = +3.7
4900__129.4/133.7= +4.3____________138.7 / 143.3 = +4.6
5000__130.9/136.1= +5.2____________137.5 / 143.0 = +5.5
5100__132.7/138.1= +5.4____________136.7 / 142.2 = +5.5
5200__134.3/140.5= +6.2____________135.7 / 141.9 = +6.2
5300__136.2/142.4= +6.2____________135.0 / 141.1 = +6.1
5400__138.5/144.5= +6.0____________134.7 / 140.5 = +5.8
5500__140.3/146.1= +5.8____________134.0 / 139.5 = +5.5
5600__141.9/147.9= +6.0____________133.1 / 138.7 = +5.6
5700__144.0/150.1= +6.1____________132.6 / 138.3 = +5.7
5800__146.1/152.1= +6.0____________132.3 / 137.7 = +5.4
5900__148.2/153.7= +5.5____________131.9 / 136.8 = +4.9
6000__150.3/155.6= +5.3____________131.5 / 136.2 = +4.7

[Kiyomi]

how much for the tune? which website can i get a phone number to ask questions?

[WingZero_]

A quick google search would have given you this: http://www.dptune.com/dpt_012.htm

Do a search on the boards here too, as someone in Ontario was offering tunes for the previous gen, so I am sure they can do the 2.5. As it is all based upon Piasani tech, meaning if one place has the know how, any one else that is Piasani affiliated will be able to do it.

Price, for the tune is ~500$, buying or renting a data logger ~250$, dyno time ~250$. So it is a commitment. After seeing Jack's numbers I am going to wait to see if a Hypertech ever hits the market for us.

[Kiyomi]

A quick google search would have given you this: http://www.dptune.com/dpt_012.htm

Do a search on the boards here too, as someone in Ontario was offering tunes for the previous gen, so I am sure they can do the 2.5. As it is all based upon Piasani tech, meaning if one place has the know how, any one else that is Piasani affiliated will be able to do it.

Price, for the tune is ~500$, buying or renting a data logger ~250$, dyno time ~250$. So it is a commitment. After seeing Jack's numbers I am going to wait to see if a Hypertech ever hits the market for us.

i have actually been following this, seen u and ur friends post on the other site. I would love to do this, but i cant have my car off the road for 4-6 days. plus like you said, maybe another will come out hopefully. not in a huge rush to gain 5 whp, but would be nice.

o and the one that was tuning previous or reflashing, cant get a hold of, based in ottowa?