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    Creating this thread to give my review of the Toronto Motorsports Park in Cayuga and hopefully others will chime in and share their experiences, tips, pics and videos. Yes there is a thread from 2012 but it didn't get any traction so here's starting fresh.

    First of all, the track itself:



    Very flat, very twisty with 2 pretty decent straightaways to open up the throttle. At no point was I ever concerned that I would hit a wall because the track really is quite open. You could hit the wall at the last corner before the straight alongside the pits but you'd have to be doing something pretty stupid for that to happen.

    Turns 3, 6 and 10 are very tight and I found myself trying to drive them too aggressively which resulted in me going through those turns a lot slower than if I had approached them smoothly and applied the power where appropriate. The 2 chicanes at 4/5 and 7/8 are quite fun and can be take at some speed especially 7/8 but you'd better be prepared to brake quickly to scrub speed for turn 9.

    Things I've noticed about my car and my driving style on that day:

    1. Started the day's session likely dragging the brakes into the turns and through the turns. This resulted in my brakes smoking. Made an adjust to brake harder and shorter and did not have that issue again. While on the topic of braking, although I was braking harder and shorter, I was braking hard at the point of entering the turns. Great for getting traction to the front to get into the turn, but made the back super light which did result in me spinning the car once and then a lovely slide while @Kiyomi was on my tail. Smart braking is something I personally will have to work on if I attack Cayuga again.

    2. Aggressive and hard on the throttle in the turns doesn't mean faster. A learnt from ILR Track School, faster will actually feel slow because it is smoother. With a pretty front heavy, high powerered front wheel drive car, it did not seem to like the twisties all that much, however, if I just took it a bit slower on the turns, took the time to brake earlier and set up to get on the throttle through the turns, I probably would have been a lot quicker in general. Next time.

    3. The straights. No issues. She pulls. Couldn't catch the red Corvette at the end of the day though, but by then it was so hot and humid she wasn't make nearly as much power.

    Things that make would make the most difference IMO:

    1. Racing harness. Racing seat would be nice but not as beneficial as the harness itself. With all the twisties on this course, you spend so much of your energy trying to keep yourself in your seat that you're spending less energy and focus on what is most important - steering your car through the turns. A properly set up harness would hold you in place and give your left foot a break from stomping on the death pedal as well as allow a light grip on the steering wheel to properly turn into and out of those 12 challenging corners.

    2. Tires. My 235/40/R18 Hankook RS-3s have pretty good grip but they seemed to be no match for Kiyomi's 255 Toyo R888s. He was able to turn aggressively into the corners and, watching from behind, the car appeared to handle the speed through the corners comfortably. My car on the other hand was trying to torque steer through the corners, this however could be attributed to the wrong driving style of forcing the speed as opposed to allowing it to come naturally and smoothly. Next time. A dedicated set of track tires would go along way. Unfortunately the Gen1 speed3's are pretty limited in how wide you can go unless you raise the car up - see @Thrizzl3 's soon to be ex-speed3

    3. Driver mod. Although listed at #3, this truly has the greatest effect on how quickly you can navigate the course. No matter how good a driver you think you are, there is always a few simple adjustments that can be made that will shave a tonne of time off each corner resulting in quicker times, less wear on your brakes and tires and an overall better driving experience while on the track. Learn from those with that experience, ask lots of questions, go for ride-alongs, let someone else drive your car.

    Must haves for a day at Cayuga:

    1. Portable canopy. It is hot. There is no shelter.
    2. Lawn chairs
    3. Cooler with food and lots of fluids


    @Kiyomi @MajesticBlueNTO @breakfasteatre @Fobio please feel to share you experience and tips as well as anyone else

    I'll post up a few videos shortly
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    I found turns 6 and 9 the most challenging as far as the racing line goes, but that's also because I'm running stock with all-seasons and wanted to get home with the same set \o/

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    Seat time...Seat time...and more seat time.

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    3 and 6 are the tightest for me and i almost spun out at corner 3 but saved it. good track overall, i will do it all over again!!
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    from @rzapata

    Awesome day spent with the gang. Let's schedule another track day soon.

    A bit of eye candy for you folks.

    I'll post some videos pretty soon as well.






























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    from @Kiyomi

    the weather was nice, and a fun day of open lapping.

    also, nice to see old and new faces out there and the most mazdas (mz3/ms3) ive seen at the track to date.
    thx, to those who let me ride shotgun in their speeds. plus, Loki's car was just mobbing down the straights.

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    i had a blast today at the track and it was also my first driving IN lapping, i was really nervous at first but it went away lol. ill be there for the second and more lap days!!

    @Kiyomi thanks again man, learnt alot from you and @loki 's car is too fast lol

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    @lazor86 who was the guy in the silver rsx?

    Car had a lot of power. High compression motor with a turbo? He almost went off the track on turn 2 after the straight when I was tearing up the straight behind him

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    For some reason the videos didn't load up properly. Fixed them below.



    EDIT: Removed video 1. F-a-g is being censored and unfortunately, the youtube URL has those letters.
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    Damn, that's how I'm mounting my GoPro next time. Looks awesome!

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    This one's the first run, just getting a feel of the track.


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    It was great to see so many Mazda3's out there. I stopped by with my wife and three kids, so it was a good treat. I have a '15 hatch I'm going to bring out sometime. When are you guys going to the track again next?
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    Really like that setup ^ My post mount wasn't correct so i tried sticking it to the rear window.

    Here's a small clip. reason it was so chopped was so i can send to a friend and i took the audio out because i was having a video chat with my wife. She was "riding" along for that run.


    i'll get some other clips up when i get home


    I had a lot of trouble with 10. I think i was braking too much. But thats because it was so easy for tires to make noise. Maybe i could have gone faster and ignored the squeal since they weren't' the greatest of shape (Ventus HR2's with 60,000km on them)

    the first several runs i kept buggering up turn 3 because i'd keep forgetting it was so soon after 2. Once i eased up 2, 3 became nicer.
    I wouldn't mind a few more sit ins with someone to tinker with my form and let me know what needs work.

    Definitely looking forward to doing more of these, and already shopping for new tires, these are done.
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    If you find a cheap set to track with, let me know. I wouldn't mind doing it again but not with my daily driver tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki View Post
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    I like how the sedans break the norm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Mazda View Post
    If you find a cheap set to track with, let me know. I wouldn't mind doing it again but not with my daily driver tires.
    All tires are cheap for me in 'Murica Helps that i'm also on 16" wheels not 17+ like most people. How big are yours? and what's your budget

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    Here's my take on this track:

    First off, like Loki said, if you plan to visit the track on a sunny day, make sure you come prepared as there's no shelter available (other than the bleachers). Bring lots of fluids for yourself and your car (if needed), food and anything else you need to survive the day. Making sure the car is in great condition should be a given; it's always good to do another check on tires, wheels, fluids, etc.

    The track itself is pretty straightforward even for first time visitors. Just before turn 4, there's a pathway to the right that may confuse some if you're not familiar with the track so make sure you keep an eye out for that. I find that my car understeered quite a bit, mainly due to "awesome" tires that came with the car when I first bought it. Having decent tires with decent grip would definitely make it a lot more enjoyable.

    On turn 1, I feel that I was taking it too cautiously because I didn't want get on the grass. But on the next track day, I'll definitely try to push it a bit further. The next few turns are pretty tight but can be easily taken with the right speed. Turns 7/8/9 are by far my favourites in this track. I managed to jump the curb on turn 9 due to understeer and got on the grass for a bit. Another indication that better tires are much needed.

    I've only been on 2 tracks so far (Cayuga and Mosport DDT), but I feel I like Cayuga better than Mosport. Primarily, because of the longer straights and the chicanes.

    Also, shout out to both @Kiyomi and @loki for riding along in my car and giving some tips.

    I'll post another video later today, the one with Loki in the car. You won't hear the chatter as I mounted the camera on the outside.

    PS: This video is the session after the helmetless session.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rzapata View Post
    This one's the first run, just getting a feel of the track.

    Dudee amazing... Good job.
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    a few tricks to learn on this track is, turn 1, get as far left as you can. at turn 2, you can ride that lip a little and treat 2/3 as one corner, but you need to watch out for the pothole if your too greedy with that line, but allows you to avoid 2 nasty hidden bumps. 7/8/9 you just stay to the right go over the hump at 8 and treat 8-9 as your brake zone and you dont need to stay wide for 9 cause 10 is the slowest speed corner. get to 11, you ride that full power or shift if you can, treat 12/13 as one corner, 12 is the brake corner, 13 is the gas. i saw alot of people going wide for 12, it actually loses you a good 2 seconds doing that.
    @rzapata, thanks for letting me ride shotgun, was alot of fun. "GAS GAS GAS! oh yeah!" lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by crasth View Post
    Dudee amazing... Good job.
    Thanks man! Still needs improvement for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiyomi View Post
    a few tricks to learn on this track is, turn 1, get as far left as you can. at turn 2, you can ride that lip a little and treat 2/3 as one corner, but you need to watch out for the pothole if your too greedy with that line, but allows you to avoid 2 nasty hidden bumps. 7/8/9 you just stay to the right go over the hump at 8 and treat 8-9 as your brake zone and you dont need to stay wide for 9 cause 10 is the slowest speed corner. get to 11, you ride that full power or shift if you can, treat 12/13 as one corner, 12 is the brake corner, 13 is the gas. i saw alot of people going wide for 12, it actually loses you a good 2 seconds doing that.
    @rzapata, thanks for letting me ride shotgun, was alot of fun. "GAS GAS GAS! oh yeah!" lol
    Haha thanks for tips man. Until the next session.

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    I much prefer DDT. The changes in elevation make it fun and apart from the straights it is an overal quicker track that you can really attack aggressively.

    It got so hot in Sunday my car started off making decent power but by mid-day I could only keep up with that red Gti on the straights instead of blowing past them

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    Quote Originally Posted by loki View Post
    I much prefer DDT. The changes in elevation make it fun and apart from the straights it is an overal quicker track that you can really attack aggressively.

    It got so hot in Sunday my car started off making decent power but by mid-day I could only keep up with that red Gti on the straights instead of blowing past them
    i like ddt because it makes you a better driver faster and its fun, but i find cayuga is ontarios benchmark for how fast one actually is.
    shannonville also has a decent back straightaway and is a fun track.

    i found 2 vids trackside, but are a bit shaky, uploading them.

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    Don't care about shaky, just want to hear the cars

    Did you get any in car video @Kiyomi?

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