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    Default Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    So one of my main bulbs just burnt out and I'm looking for replacements. I've noticed that the light output is, well... $h*t. I'm looking into upgrading to an LED or HID kit, but haven't done this before and don't know what to look for etc. I see 'expensive' Halogen bulbs are about $60/pair, but I can also see there are $60-100 LED conversion kits on places like Amazon... Are these even worth it? What's a good LED kit supposed to run? i.e. http://amzn.to/2jam3Th

    The main goal is better light output, so if the expensive halogens are better than LED's then I'll put my money into that, but right now it really is terrible. I need to drive with hi-beams on to see anything at night.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    Are you looking for better (usable) light output, or are you looking for that "white" look?

    I would suggest HID's > LED > Halogen

    The "expensive" halogens are all the same in terms of brightness IMO.

    LED's are whiter and brighter - but still no comparison to HIDs

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    From what I've read, aftermarket LEDs aren't that good as main headlights yet. Probably want HIDs or new halogens.


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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    Quote Originally Posted by Default User View Post
    Are you looking for better (usable) light output, or are you looking for that "white" look?

    I would suggest HID's > LED > Halogen

    The "expensive" halogens are all the same in terms of brightness IMO.

    LED's are whiter and brighter - but still no comparison to HIDs
    I'd say better usable light output. The white look doesn't matter, so long as I can actually see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiftyy View Post
    I'd say better usable light output. The white look doesn't matter, so long as I can actually see.
    I've had no problems with regular halogens.
    Older ones fade/dim before they die out - which can make it seem that they are not bright enough.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    If your light output isn't that good, consider adjusting the projectors up a little and putting some expensive halogens in. Are your lenses also cloudy?

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    Quote Originally Posted by Default User View Post
    Are you looking for better (usable) light output, or are you looking for that "white" look?

    I would suggest HID's > LED > Halogen

    The "expensive" halogens are all the same in terms of brightness IMO.

    LED's are whiter and brighter - but still no comparison to HIDs
    Let's not go lying now.

    Led's are complete and utter sh*t.
    They have no Hotspot, now width, no anything.
    Op your cheapest option is to modify a h9 to fit your h11 housing. Which is what I have.
    Increase your lumens from 1350 lumens to 2100 +- 10%. Using a regular Philips bulb.
    This will not damage your projector bowls.
    Hid, while brighter, will deteriorate your halogen bowls over time, to the point where they're just as bad as oem halogen.
    If you want hid, I suggest a proper retrofit.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    No need to think twice, HID is the prefect choice especially right now the HID kits are much cheaper than years ago.

    invest in the old school halogen bulbs is just a waste. The most expensive ones, Nigh Hawk, Eurolite, etc are just far not bright enough (usable enough) while vs HID. And they are actually not cheap, as OP said, 60 dollars or more, plus their life time just too short. Even you will have the chance to replace your HID, but the HID at least can last 2 to 3 times or more longer than halogens in real life. In the past 6 to 7 years on my car, I replaced one burn fog HID bulb (very tiny crack on the bulb so the air inside just keep leaking and the color was changed from yellow to pink in about 2 months...) and one ballast for the same fog due to the original installation spot not good enough so the ballast was rusted and dead.

    And LED, so far didn't see any good enough aftermarket LED kits for the main lights (head light and fog). LEDs are very good for internal lighting, for your license plate, side signals, brake signals etc, but not that good for head lights. It looks white enough, but actually not usable as HID.

    And, so thankful for the projector lens design in the Mazda new cars in the decade, it's just designed for putting HIDs in.

    "Cloudy" lens actually not a big problem for the HID light power. It will just looking bad (while the light is off), but can't block much of the light from the HIDs. Smoke Lens cleaning kit (3M or other brands) can help a lot without emptying your pocket, since 2 years ago I did it first time, I think it would be better to do that every other year to keep your head lights looking good.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    No need to retrofit anything, we have some good sellers in the forum. with the whole kit, you only need to remove your halogen bulb, use the same cable to connect to the ballast and then connect the new HID bulb and put it back into the lens housing. That's it. And maybe the provider can help to install for free. All my HIDs were bought in the forum. you can look for Brendan or Kevin if you need, PM me for the phone number.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YepYep View Post
    No need to think twice, HID is the prefect choice especially right now the HID kits are much cheaper than years ago.

    invest in the old school halogen bulbs is just a waste. The most expensive ones, Nigh Hawk, Eurolite, etc are just far not bright enough (usable enough) while vs HID. And they are actually not cheap, as OP said, 60 dollars or more, plus their life time just too short. Even you will have the chance to replace your HID, but the HID at least can last 2 to 3 times or more longer than halogens in real life. In the past 6 to 7 years on my car, I replaced one burn fog HID bulb (very tiny crack on the bulb so the air inside just keep leaking and the color was changed from yellow to pink in about 2 months...) and one ballast for the same fog due to the original installation spot not good enough so the ballast was rusted and dead.

    And LED, so far didn't see any good enough aftermarket LED kits for the main lights (head light and fog). LEDs are very good for internal lighting, for your license plate, side signals, brake signals etc, but not that good for head lights. It looks white enough, but actually not usable as HID.

    And, so thankful for the projector lens design in the Mazda new cars in the decade, it's just designed for putting HIDs in.

    "Cloudy" lens actually not a big problem for the HID light power. It will just looking bad (while the light is off), but can't block much of the light from the HIDs. Smoke Lens cleaning kit (3M or other brands) can help a lot without emptying your pocket, since 2 years ago I did it first time, I think it would be better to do that every other year to keep your head lights looking good.
    What? These projectors were not designed to put hids in. Here's what HIDs will do to any bowl that did not come HID from the factory after a few months time.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    Nope~ I have run 4 HIDs (2 headlights and 2 fogs) in my 2008 3 hatchback for years without any issue. Further more, you don't need to modify the connector type of your lights as you can get the same type of bulbs as your halogen bulbs. The only difference is in between the new bulb and the original power cord, you need to find a good place to fit in a ballast. That's all.

    Regarding your picture, I doubt it's from the "ball" type projector lens but actually from the old fashion reflecting bowl lens. And I don't suggest to put HIDs in neither but for the different reason below.

    What I mean the projector lens is designed for HID is because the "ball" lens will limited the lights from the bulbs to stay low. So I won't suggest ppl use HIDs on their car without the "ball" lens design because the high power output from the HIDs will reflect too much light too high that will affect the cars in your front just like you put the high beam on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyperion View Post
    What? These projectors were not designed to put hids in. Here's what HIDs will do to any bowl that did not come HID from the factory after a few months time.
    I ran the cheapest HIDS possible for 3 years in my MZ3 and 4 years on my Lancer without this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YepYep View Post
    Nope~ I have run 4 HIDs (2 headlights and 2 fogs) in my 2008 3 hatchback for years without any issue. Further more, you don't need to modify the connector type of your lights as you can get the same type of bulbs as your halogen bulbs. The only difference is in between the new bulb and the original power cord, you need to find a good place to fit in a ballast. That's all.

    Regarding your picture, I doubt it's from the "ball" type projector lens but actually from the old fashion reflecting bowl lens. And I don't suggest to put HIDs in neither but for the different reason below.

    What I mean the projector lens is designed for HID is because the "ball" lens will limited the lights from the bulbs to stay low. So I won't suggest ppl use HIDs on their car without the "ball" lens design because the high power output from the HIDs will reflect too much light too high that will affect the cars in your front just like you put the high beam on.
    These are from a 2013 Subaru Wrx.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Default User View Post
    I ran the cheapest HIDS possible for 3 years in my MZ3 and 4 years on my Lancer without this issue.
    Did you open to see?

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    Lens Housings are clear
    Frequent washing and detailing gives you an eye for these kind of issues.

    Especially after you install cheap aftermarket items - you tend to look out for (or even expect to see) any burning or melting issues.

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    Default Re: Looking for new Headlights... LED v. Halogen v. HID

    You'll never tell without seeing the bowls themselves

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