Random MS3 Chat Thread

[pwdunmore]

I hope you have a reserve of 20k cash in the bank. You should ask some of the members on the forum how many times they had to build their engine before they got it right.

lmao holy jesus, if I ever get that deep in the whole on an engine build I would have just planned to buy a new car. I was hoping to draw from people's experiences so I don't have to burn a hole in my wallet making mistakes lol.

[SomeGuy]

Also cp-e's casting is crappy:




But seriously, forged build is crazy expensive especially if your goals are just a GTX2867/BNR...no real point. A good tune you can get near 400whp safely with meth on the stock block.

[Fack_Dude]

lmao holy jesus, if I ever get that deep in the whole on an engine build I would have just planned to buy a new car. I was hoping to draw from people's experiences so I don't have to burn a hole in my wallet making mistakes lol.

The build will burn a hole in your wallet. Lol

[pwdunmore]

Word, maybe I will just go BT on a stock block till compression eats it then lol... It's only gonna be driven in the summer after this year so I'm sure I can go forged when I finally get bored of it way down the road.

Thanks for the help guys.

[Mr Wilson]

Also cp-e's casting is crappy:

Hey hey hey hey hey. CP-e is amazing......


Speaking of which CP-e IM 2 weeks.

[pwdunmore]

Also cp-e's casting is crappy.

Who ported that for you? I may do the same if mine looks like that too. I never even looked at mine when doing the install.

[SomeGuy]

Who ported that for you? I may do the same if mine looks like that too. I never even looked at mine when doing the install.

I did it myself. Pretty easy, just had to be careful about collecting the shavings.

[Karmaspeed]

I am waiting for JBR to come out with his FMIC piping kit, then I will be selling mine. Depends on how long you can wait lol... I know it won't be out until at least the summer.

I'm in no hurry, If you are definitely going fmic then I can wait but if you changed your mind and therefore keeping the tmic let me know

[SomeGuy]

Hey hey hey hey hey. CP-e is amazing......


Speaking of which CP-e IM 2 weeks.

LoL yea, 2 weeks...

[greyseason]

better to post here since its random.

any of you guys have CS rear camber arms?

[loki]

better to post here since its random.

any of you guys have CS rear camber arms?

No

[greyseason]

I'll just go SPC probably

[Prezi]

I'll just go SPC probably

nothing wrong with SPC… plus it can be adjusted on car.

[Karmaspeed]

I'll just go SPC probably

wow blast from the past, made me think of my high school dayz when the first SPC cards came out; basically student discounts on a lot of things; sorry got off topic there.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I hope you have a reserve of 20k cash in the bank. You should ask some of the members on the forum how many times they had to build their engine before they got it right.

lmao holy jesus, if I ever get that deep in the whole on an engine build I would have just planned to buy a new car. I was hoping to draw from people's experiences so I don't have to burn a hole in my wallet making mistakes lol.

The build will burn a hole in your wallet. Lol

Here's what to expect on forged/built motors and the approx. cost from a spreadsheet i put together a couple years ago:

Parts

Part				Part Number	Qty	Price/ea	Total
Cpe Pistons /w .02" Overbore	CMZRP095120	1	$598.00	$598.00
K1 Rods 22.5mm wrist pin	ZH5927AJAFB4-A	1	$379.00	$379.00
Exhaust Valve Guides		L3Y1-10-281	8	$10.00	$80.00
Crankshaft Friction Washers	L3H5-11-407	3	$15.00	$45.00
Camshaft Friction Washers	L3K9-12-429	2	$9.00	$18.00
Timing Chain			L3K9-12-201A	1	$32.00	$32.00
Oil Pump Chain			L3K9-14-151	1	$23.00	$23.00
Crank Pulley Bolt		LF01-11-406	1	$12.00	$12.00
Rear Oil Seal			LF01-11-310A	1	$63.00	$63.00
Front Oil Seal			L3G6-10-602	1	$9.00	$9.00
Gasket Kit			8LL6-10-271	1	$281.00	$281.00
Cometic Head Gasket		C4481-030_MZR	1	$85.00	$85.00
ARP Head Studs			ARP 218-4702	1	$166.00	$166.00
ARP Main Studs			ARP 218-5402	1	$117.00	$117.00
OEM Main Bearings		L3Y2-11-SG0	1	$97.00	$97.00
OEM Rod Bearings		L3Y2-11-SE0	1	$61.00	$61.00
OEM Thrust Bearing		L3Y2-11-SJ0	1	$48.00	$48.00
DCR VVT					DCR527	1	$150.00	$150.00
BSD with Oil Pan Baffle		MS3-6-BFL-BSD	1	$100.00	$100.00
Sub-Total Engine						$2,364.00
				
				
				
Spec Stage 3+ Kit Self Ratchet		SZ033F	1	$775.00	$775.00
OEM Flywheel (resurface)			1		$200.00
Flywheel bolts 6x		L304-16-311	6	$5.00	$30.00
Sub-Total Transmission						$1,005.00
				
				
Oil Filter Spin-on Housing	L311-14-311A	1	$73.00	$73.00
Oil Filter Spin-on Gasket	LF02-14-342	1	$5.00	$5.00
Oil Filter Spin-on Filter	LF8J-14-302	1	$8.00	$8.00
Oil Temp Gauge				5640	1	$215.00	$215.00
Oil Pressure Gauge			5652	1	$250.00	$250.00
Timing Chain Tensioner		L3K9-12-500A	1	$107.00	$107.00
Oil Pump Chain Tensioner	L3K9-14-500	1	$15.00	$15.00
Oil Pump Pickup			L3G6-14-240B	1	$32.00	$32.00
Oil Pump Pickup O-Ring		L309-14-248	1	$6.00	$6.00
Sub-Total Misc							$711.00
				
Total								$4,080.00

Machine Shop Labour

Bore, hone, ceramic coating, assemble short block, assemble motor, etc
WITH Head work $4700
NO Head work $3400


TOTAL PARTS AND MACHINE SHOP LABOUR
WITH head work $8800
NO Head work $7500


removing the clutch saves you $1000.

Then there's labour cost if you plan to have shop pull and install the motor so budget $10,000


Edge has put together these parts that you would need in an engine rebuild (almost all of the stuff i listed above):
http://www.edgeautosport.com/stage-3...ms6-2006-2013/ $1215.92 up to $1700


Cheapest thing to do is to replace the rods and pistons and open the piston ring gap... approx. $1000 + the motor build kit $1700 + labour

so anywhere from $3000 (DIY) or ~$4000 (shop assemble motor) + removal and installation of motor (either DIY or shop)

again, budget $10,000 for rainy day fund because shit will go wrong

bottom line, shit ain't cheap

[Snotrocket]

I bet I have $15,000 in my build. Shit happens.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I forgot to add the cost of a 2nd motor if the plan is to build while still driving around with the stock motor...

So add anywhere from $1500 to $2500 for a used motor. Some of that cost you may be able to recoup by selling the stock motor... Or keep the stock motor as a backup for a worse case scenario.

You don't plan on spending over $10,000...It happens if something goes wrong and you've already sunk money into it that you just want to see it completed.

[loki]

Cheaper to just buy a used bmw 335i and make more power anyway

[pwdunmore]

I would just be paying for a machine shop to disassemble and reassemble. All the other stuff I can handle on my own, I would just want the machine shop to get everything within spec.

We'll see about doing this come September because I get my truck and car payments are done. If $10000 is gonna be my worst case scenario I can swing that for a project car, but I might change my mind on the platform if that's the case lol. Maybe go with something lighter and rwd (Miata).

[mikey32235]

Need shop recommendation to roll/pull rear fenders asap! Suggestions please

[Prezi]

Need shop recommendation to roll/pull rear fenders asap! Suggestions please

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[mikey32235]

simply tires...
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i called them this morning, the guy said they don't do it anymore. then i got an email from allen saying the guy isn't there… anyways by that time i already got in contact with seven performance in newmarket which is down the street from my work. made appointment for monday to get this done. will post and let everyone know how it goes..

[Prezi]

i called them this morning, the guy said they don't do it anymore. then i got an email from allen saying the guy isn't there… anyways by that time i already got in contact with seven performance in newmarket which is down the street from my work. made appointment for monday to get this done. will post and let everyone know how it goes..

really? I was planning to get my fender's rolled there when I put on my rims next month. Gotta look into other options myself now.

@allen@simplytire.com what happened?

[loki]

Allen only responds to emails

[allen@simplytire.com]

We had some problems last year with fenders chipping. Even though we warn customers ahead of time, they regret it so much that they make a huge fuss, and I hate alienating customers.

for the $35/fender that we were charging, it was not worth the immense headaches. This is the reason we stopped doing it. I've even asked my guys to tell customers we no longer do it.

If you dont care about the cosmetic blemishes, I will do it for you. But email me only.