Concerned: 1st to 2nd gear (ATX)

[DrunknFoo]

Went for a spirited early morning drive today and noticed something strange.
Here's some info about the car...

06, 2.3L ATX with 19,500kms, ms cai/exhaust, etb ground (2ga wire), on dino oil/dealership tranny fluids, all fluids are leveled.

I'm accelerating in first gear and shifted to 2nd gear around 5700-6000rpm, (wanted to shift just before it hit redline), what happens next was just wierd.
The rpms climbed and the needle starts to bounces up and down @redline (felt like I was in neutral punching the gas), after a few split seconds, the car catches 2nd gear and jumps just under redline then I shifted to third as if nothing happened.

I eventually come to a full stop and I remember someone mentioning something similar where their 2nd gear was just not engaging or slipping seriously?
Anyways, I launch again in order to replicate the issue and shifting is fine at 5200-5500rpm give or take.
I tried once again and just after 5700rpm give or take, it occurs again. (only happens between first and 2nd, all other gears are fine)

I'm aware that when shifting gears after 5000rpm from first to second there is a bit of delay, but this gear is just not catching properly. The issue wasn't there after the intake install and/or after the exhaust install.

I can live with shifting under that rpm range in first, but it is a concern and I was wondering... (I think it was either Sabio or Pearl Hatch?), when you brought it to the dealership any idea what the cause of this was? how it was fixed? and/or under warrenty?
TIA...

[bluntman]

Were you using the tiptronic mode?

[DrunknFoo]

Were you using the tiptronic mode?


Who is this .? lol...
ya i was using the 'tiptronic' mode.

[bluntman]

This is the voice of reason.

:o

Check the Owner's Manual. I don't think Mazda recommends staying in first gear that long. Remember, it's not a true SMG-like tiptronic transmission, the computer is still the one that decides when and when not to shift to the next gear.

[DrunknFoo]

This is the voice of reason.

:o

Check the Owner's Manual.* I don't think Mazda recommends staying in first gear that long.* Remember, it's not a true SMG-like tiptronic transmission, the computer is still the one that decides when and when not to shift to the next gear.


LOL LAME... ::)

but ya, obviously the owners manual wouldn't recommend anyone comming close to redline, but the thing here is, it hasn't been an issue in the past.
Well, I searched yahoo and google cached pages of the old board, but unable to find that particular thread of whomever it was that was having this similar problem. I'll just wait and see if there is a reply. When i take the car in for service I'll have the dealership take a look at it, unless the problem fixes itself. (I'll try resetting the ECU later to see if that would resolve it)

[TheProfessor]

Have you changed anything on your car recently (like adding a part)?

[DrunknFoo]

Have you changed anything on your car recently (like adding a part)?


installed the MS exhaust last week monday... I have hit that rpm range maybe twice before since the install just to hear the tone of the exhaust but this morning was the first time I've experienced this problem...

[BigD]

I have experienced that same issue on my '06 ATX with 5000 kms on it.
I was testing out the 'tiptronic' one day and shifted at around 5.5k-6k rpms in first, but it didn't shift right away and the rpms bounced off the rev limiter for split second. I just assumed that the computer couldn't shift fast enough compared to the speed of the engine. I now just shift at around 5k rpms and that seems to work.
I freaked out the first time because my car was so new. I was just breaking it in the right way ;D

[DrunknFoo]

I have experienced that same issue on my '06 ATX with 5000 kms on it.
I was testing out the 'tiptronic' one day and shifted at around 5.5k-6k rpms in first, but it didn't shift right away and the rpms bounced off the rev limiter for split second. I just assumed that the computer couldn't shift fast enough compared to the speed of the engine. I now just shift at around 5k rpms and that seems to work.
I freaked out the first time because my car was so new. I was just breaking it in the right way ;D


the thing is, when I'm pulling the car, 2nd gear would only catch just before redline and the car won't pull, as if I'm going from 1st then having to skip 2nd and jumping immidiately to 3rd.

[royroy]

I have experienced that same issue on my '06 ATX with 5000 kms on it.
I was testing out the 'tiptronic' one day and shifted at around 5.5k-6k rpms in first, but it didn't shift right away and the rpms bounced off the rev limiter for split second. I just assumed that the computer couldn't shift fast enough compared to the speed of the engine. I now just shift at around 5k rpms and that seems to work.
I freaked out the first time because my car was so new. I was just breaking it in the right way ;D


the thing is, when I'm pulling the car, 2nd gear would only catch just before redline and the car won't pull, as if I'm going from 1st then having to skip 2nd and jumping immidiately to 3rd.



same problem with me on the tiptronic.. it seems like there is a delay when we switch gears...

[stas]

i think everyone has that problem with tiptronic. Mine has the time lag almost always. thats why i dont keep it in 1st so long. i have it even at 3000rpm.

[Cardinal Fang]

Same issue with me when it comes to the "lag" at high rpm's. In my wife's TSX there is no lag whatsoever. Although, I've never had the needle go beserk to the red line limit before shifting as DrunkenFoo noted, I would assume that to be a by product of such a late shift to second from first.

[Broli]

yeah i have the lag too!

just shit 1 second b4 u wanna shift and its ok usually!

[sbmonkey]

yeah i have the lag too!

just shit 1 second b4 u wanna shift and its ok usually!
Don't forget to wipe! :D

[DrunknFoo]

yeah i have the lag too!

just shit 1 second b4 u wanna shift and its ok usually!
Don't forget to wipe! :D


ye, I have no problems remembering to wipe, I guess some people just need a reminder once in awhile. ;)

[CoolColombian]

Never has happened to me in my 05 with 4speed ATX and I use to shift very very close to redline very often. ;D

[DrunknFoo]

Ok well I reset the ECU, here's what happens.

In full automatic mode (WOT)
Trial1:* Transmission tries to switch from 1st to 2nd at around 3000rpm, engine revs and rpms climb to 4500rpm give or take, 2nd gear engages for a split second around 4800 then bounced to third gear immidiately, third gear starts pulling the car at around 4000rpm.* :'( (does it make sense?)

Trial2:* Transmission tries to switch from 1st to 2nd at around 3300rpm, a big jerk occurs, rpms climb to 3700rpm, 2nd gear engages and the car starts to pull at around 3800rpm.* :'( (once again does this make sense?)

Trial3:* Transmission switches from 1st to 2nd at around 3700rpm, smooth shift to 2nd gear just like how it always has been.* :o
The rest...: Everything is back to normal in full auto mode.* ;D (ok?)

In mtx mode: Looks like the issue has been resolved for the time being. I'm able to change the gear between 5700- just under 6000rpm, 2nd gear catches properly, rpms drop and the car starts pulling normally.

[bluntman]

Here's your solution...












Slow the hell down!

[TheProfessor]

Or just buy a manual transmission car next time ;)

[mazidane]

I tried to replicate this last night, didn't happen. I have an 06 with Auto as well.

[Fuman]

i'll try too after work tonight

[fourtrack78]

When i'm Manual mode i get close to redline before shifting 1st to 2nd (because i'm flooring it!!!!!!!!!) with no problems its smoother and atx mode ::) in between those to gears.

[DrunknFoo]

well my transmission seems to behaving normal since i reset the ecu and it hasn't occured since.
I'm getting a bit of harder shifting between 1 and 2 but service dept said they have no firmware fix for the 06s? anyway they got it documented and I can live withit for now. I'll get my ATF flushed later on. :)

[Timmy]

Same thing used to happen to my old 626. Never did figure out why.
Seemed to happen more often when the car was cold.

[lead82]

This thread is too funny. Why don't people get a true manual car and then shift. If you're driving an automatic, it doesn't really matter if you use tiptronic or not, the computer is in control, no you, so it's not true shifting. :) Buy a manual tranny next time and then you'll feel the Zoom Zoom. 8)

[DrunknFoo]

This thread is too funny. Why don't people get a true manual car and then shift. If you're driving an automatic, it doesn't really matter if you use tiptronic or not, the computer is in control, no you, so it's not true shifting. :)* Buy a manual tranny next time and then you'll feel the Zoom Zoom.* 8)


I'm glad you found this thread amusing. The horse is dead, you don't really need to beat it anymore. :P But thanks for the remark...

[lilgreek]

Just to add my two cents...I have a 04 Mazda3 and back when I just put about 5K on it..I had the same problems but I never use the triptronic. The tranny would skip 2nd gear all together...my friend at first said its probably because of the cold (this was during winter). SO the next day I drive to work and my car wouldn't budge over 35 kph. I went to the dealership and they ordered me a brand new tranny. They didnt even tell me the problem (those bastards) but my friend who works for Mazda told me that there was a plate that broke off because the seal that was used cracked because of the cold. This was fixed on all later models of the car (thats what he told me).