Winter tires needed in and around Toronto?? [Archive]

majic

05-13-2005, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by maldini

Are the 17\" stock tires good enough for winter driving? These 205/50/17 are usually very expensive.

not really, but some people have gone a winter w/o a major accident. having said that a dedicated set of tires would be MUCH better. the majority of TM3ers got the kumhos K17s. also you do not need to get them in 205/50/17.. you can donwnsize to 205/55/16 unless you\'re planning on upgrading your rims and want to reuse the stock ones for winter. you\'re looking (based on last year\'s prices) at 600-800 for the lower priced winter tires depends what size.

just one of many winter tire threads (http://torontomazda3.com/forum/read.php?TID=752#9337) (with prices)

civiclad

05-20-2005, 10:57 AM

Stock 17\" are good for Spring/Summer but NOT winter. As Majic suggested, you should purchase a dedicated set of winter tires.

jmaggs

06-27-2005, 01:37 PM

FLIPDADY

06-27-2005, 01:51 PM

Goodyear RS-A\'s for the 17 inch rim and Toyo Proxess A18 for the 15 and 16 inch rims.

XXVIPXX

07-05-2005, 10:27 AM

I picked up my M3 last night and it came with the 17\" Good Years.

majic

07-05-2005, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by XXVIPXX

I picked up my M3 last night and it came with the 17\" Good Years.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/9548/captain0tu.jpg

Fuman

07-05-2005, 02:46 PM

rofl majic

mazda3boss

07-06-2005, 01:50 PM

LOL MAGIC!!!

m_a_t_r_i_x

07-06-2005, 07:50 PM

hahahhahaha....

RedRaptor

07-07-2005, 02:42 AM

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Jeff-TheBiz

07-07-2005, 12:40 PM

Now now.... lets all play ...::: NICE :::... :D

Fuman

07-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by RedRaptor

http://www.geocities.com/redraptorto/Gallery/obvious.gif
rofl the u make that pic?

AeRo

08-30-2005, 04:08 AM

can\'t you just buy some winter 15\" tires and put them on some steelies? a lot cheaper i\'m guessing

wtom

09-13-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by AeRo

can\'t you just buy some winter 15\" tires and put them on some steelies? a lot cheaper i\'m guessing

You\'ll also say bye bye to your brake calipers. :)

TheProfessor

09-13-2005, 03:13 PM

Haha, I hadn\'t read this post before......pretty funny :D

1flycdnM3

09-20-2005, 03:07 PM

Captain obvious here, I just wanted to ask.... are the 16\" Stock Toyo\'s good for winter?? (only discussed the 17\'s so far)

ZOOM ON 3

10-19-2005, 10:59 PM

Let\'s remember that the Goodyear\'s and the Toyo\'s are only all-season (which means no-season)...
Just bite the bullet and buy some winter tires...can you put a price on safety...for yourself and your passengers.

16\" winter tires will cost you from $600 to $1000 depending on what make you get...

mEtH

10-22-2005, 03:00 PM

If you feel you are in an area where it is plowed quite quickly on a regular basis and dont do much driving, then a winter tire is not as useful as it is for others. Its more of a matter relating to peoples driving habits. A good all season is just as safe in light conditions, so I dont think its merely a game of playing the safety card. For the majority winter tires spent most of their time on dry pavement. So take a look at the conditions in your region and decide whether all seasons or winter are more suitable for you.

The Stock RSA\'s are not a good tire but I have managed to live with them. You just have to adapt to how they handle in different conditions. I mean if there is snow on the ground them my grip gear become 3rd, usually its second it other cars but 3rd is when it will really hold. So I take it easy through the first two gears event shift slightly sooner if need be.

cphowitzer

10-23-2005, 02:29 PM

stock tires are absolute garbage..

My friend and his tit-grey hatchy was driving on trafalgar and there was a quite large pothole, so he swirved a bit and his right front abd right back tires came intontact with gravel. His tires popped. Completely blew up. He came to inspect if there were any nails or other sharp things other than gravel and found nothing. The gravel wasnt even that sharp. So he had to jack the car and wait untill CAA came.

I like how the tires look, but if theyre functionality is a 0, then the $500 we pay for the \"ready to roll\" is a complete ripoff.

billyfo

10-23-2005, 08:14 PM

I agree w/ Patrick, it really depends when and how you drive the car. Most ppl may need to drive every early morning or late night, which roads are always too slippy to drive, snow tires are A must. but if only drive a short distance to school/work or shop, our R-ass-As are still suitable for not so slippy road handling.

david3

10-24-2005, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by jmaggs and it came with Toyo Proxes which are an AMAZING tire.

No, they are not amazing. Trust me. They suck in the wet and can easily suck in the dry.

Gosiax

01-20-2006, 05:07 PM

I purchased my 2006 Mazda 3 in late November - I\'ve got 1,800 km on it. My 17\" tires did a decent job a couple nights ago when things got very slick on the roads in Mississauga. It was like driving on a skating rink.

I was keeping my distance from the car in front of me... good that I was, because the driver decided to brake - she spun her car to the right about 210 degrees. I put my foot on the brakes and slid a wee bit to the left, missing the back of her right side by about 5 inches or so.

Too bad the guys behind me weren\'t so lucky... she caused a collision and kept on going.

Nevertheless, I do find that with the 17\" tires, its fairly easy to get into a slide when I slam on the brakes too hard.

sureshotqxc

03-20-2006, 12:06 PM

I have a 2004 Sport GT. Total of 34k so far. While the stock 17\" goodyears have amazing grip. treadlife was terrible. Completely worn out after 20, 000 kilomters and I don\'t push the car that hard. Majority of my driving is highway. Snow is a big issue where I am and I wouldn\'t dream of using an all season tire in the winter. Have 16\" steel rims with snows for that. Besides, with the short tread life of the 17\" goodyears, using them in the winter would be a waste.

On my second winter with the snowtires and going to have too get a new set of summers soon. They definitely WON\'T be goodyears RS-A\'s...

ElPietro

06-08-2006, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by sureshotqxc

While the stock 17\" goodyears have amazing grip. treadlife was terrible. Completely worn out after 20, 000 kilomters and I don\'t push the car that hard.

I think this is listed as a \"feature\" so you can go out and buy good tires. :p

Skarbro

06-08-2006, 06:44 AM

Goodyear Eagle RS-A\'s suck in the winter. Get a good set of winter tires/rims when they go on sale around November.

Chirophilly

11-16-2006, 08:58 PM

Hey gang, my first post... new to the board, and picking up my Mazda3 tomorrow!!*

Wondering what your experience was driving with the stock tires during a Toronto winter??* I drive within the city most of the time, but will be doing some 401 driving, etc.* On a tight budget, so wondering if winters are needed.* If so, can anyoned recommend a decent inexpensive winter tire??

Thanks!

Skarbro

11-16-2006, 09:06 PM

For winter tire deals, see the Buy/Sell sections. There are tons up.

Winter tires are waaay better than "all"-seasons in the winter.

Think of it as an investment - you are really only paying for the rims because the life of your summer tires will be extended as you will be using your winters for part of the year instead.

majic

11-16-2006, 09:13 PM

Hey gang, my first post... new to the board, and picking up my Mazda3 tomorrow!!

Wondering what your experience was driving with the stock tires during a Toronto winter?? I drive within the city most of the time, but will be doing some 401 driving, etc. On a tight budget, so wondering if winters are needed. If so, can anyoned recommend a decent inexpensive winter tire??

Thanks!

any (even the crappiest motomaster or no name) tire is better than our stock no-season tires

in 16", you're looking at about $50-60 per wheel (steelie) and about $100-125 per tire (if you have a GT model you MUST get 16" wheels to clear the caliper, GS/GX can get away with 15") so ~200+500 is what you will be paying for 'decent' tires such as hankook w300s, viking snowtechs, or semperit <whatever> grips.. look around and you can find a deal.. you can get used steelies for about half the price of new ones.. also you may consider used tires.. either way it is a big expenditure but you will prolong the life of your stock tires when you are rolling on the winters..

HTH!

--majic

EDIT: $100 per tire
http://www.canadiantire.com/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444329 2357&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672407&bmUID=1163726224698#

$70 per wheel
http://www.canadiantire.com/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444329 2697&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=1408474396672508&bmUID=1163726515014

680+tax - you can get BETTER tires (such as the w300 ;D - i have them and they are grrrreeaaat) just for 40bux more INCLUDING TAXES.. or you can look around :)

iconicrocket

11-16-2006, 09:24 PM

I had Viking Snowtech on last year, they preformed quite well. Felt safe and solid on snow and ice. You should get a package deal soon, because they'll go up in price as soon as snow hits, if not already. I paid $640 for the Snowtech and 16" steelies last year from Tires23.

Chirophilly

11-16-2006, 09:26 PM

ok, so as you can obviously tell - I'm completely new to the car game. So excuse my stupid questions... but I'm getting the GS, what are the pro/cons with going with a 15" or 16"?

Skarbro

11-16-2006, 09:34 PM

Going with 15's is cheaper. You might get a little better grip in snow/ice with 15's also because there is more sidewall to flex.

majic

11-16-2006, 09:36 PM

Going with 15's is cheaper. You might get a little better grip in snow/ice with 15's also because there is more sidewall to flex.

actually... 15s will be better for you b/c tehy will be narrower and a narrower tire cuts through snow much easier... check out some rally drivers.. they've got some skinny ass winter tires.. oh and as he said.. they'll be MUCH cheaper :D

Chirophilly

11-16-2006, 09:49 PM

Fuman

11-16-2006, 10:09 PM

steelcase sells $60 per steelie.
i would check steel case, even if your budget is tight.
I don't have the contact information here with me in waterloo,
will post contact information when I get back to toronto (check again tmr morning, I'll just edit this post).
find Dave if u do call.

majic

11-16-2006, 11:25 PM

Ok, so 15" it is....

Skarbro, thanks for posting those CDN tire links.... on that set of tires you said they were $100 a tire... I might be missing something but the link says they are only like $33. Am i missing something? Thanks for the help by the way!

lol it was me ;)

33$ is for a 12" tire.. u need 205/55/16 or 195/60/15 (i think) ..

also u can get steelies at a scrap yard or anywhere else second hand for about half price of new ones.. they might have surface rust but as long as they are straight they'll be ok..

Wild Weasel

11-17-2006, 10:11 AM

majic

11-17-2006, 10:43 AM

actually... 15s will be better for you b/c tehy will be narrower and a narrower tire cuts through snow much easier... check out some rally drivers.. they've got some skinny ass winter tires.. oh and as he said.. they'll be MUCH cheaper :D

I'm confused. :( Why would they be narrower? You can get the same width tires in 15" or 16". The wheel diameter has little to do with the width.

take the 17" and 15" stock tires from mazda3.. hell take 16" and 15".. the STOCK tires are 205/55/16 and 195/65/15 respectively

from mazda's site:

195/65R15 all-season tires (GX, GS)
205/55R16 all-season tires (Sport package, GS)
205/50R17 all-season tires (GT)

as you see the 16s and 17s are 205 mm wide and 15s are 1cm narrower.. less resistance.. easier to cut through snow.. anwyay i just went to tirerack for fun to see their explanation and whamo.. first thing on teh front page

http://www.tirerack.com/images/frontpage/f1/winter/narrow_compare_pic06.jpg

and the blurb can be found here (http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=126)

A wide, low profile or large tire has to "plow" a wide path through snow which causes more resistance. The narrower the tire, the easier you can get through snow.

Wild Weasel

11-17-2006, 10:50 AM

I don't disagree that narrower is better for winter.

And sure, the smaller stock tires are narrower on the smaller wheels.

But if you have the stock 17's with 205/50/17's on them, nothing is stopping you from going out and getting 205/60/15's for the winter.

It's your choice. So really, the choice is between 195/65/15's and 195/70/14's, both of which are the same width. I say go with the cheaper ones.

majic

11-17-2006, 11:08 AM

I don't disagree that narrower is better for winter.

ok good :)

And sure, the smaller stock tires are narrower on the smaller wheels.

come again?

But if you have the stock 17's with 205/50/17's on them, nothing is stopping you from going out and getting 205/60/15's for the winter.

no nothing is stopping me, except that you gain no PERFORMANCE advantage of a narrower tire over a wider tire..

It's your choice. So really, the choice is between 195/65/15's and 195/70/14's, both of which are the same width. I say go with the cheaper ones.

actually, i haven't heard of anyone trying on 14s b/c they won't clear the calipers, thus 15s have to be used.. so i guess 195/65/15 it is :)

Wild Weasel

11-17-2006, 11:35 AM

And sure, the smaller stock tires are narrower on the smaller wheels.

come again?

Horribly worded sentence.* :)* I was just acknowledging that Mazda uses different width tires on different wheel sizes.* Then I followed this up with the fact that this has nothing to do with your choices with regard to a winter tire size.

But if you have the stock 17's with 205/50/17's on them, nothing is stopping you from going out and getting 205/60/15's for the winter.

no nothing is stopping me, except that you gain no PERFORMANCE advantage of a narrower tire over a wider tire..

Winter performance is still performance.* :)*

actually, i haven't heard of anyone trying on 14s b/c they won't clear the calipers, thus 15s have to be used.. so i guess 195/65/15 it is :)

Bah!* You silly Mazda people and your not-dangerously-undersized brakes!!*

Skarbro

11-17-2006, 11:45 AM

On my Z24, my 205-55-16 RSA's were about 1/2" wider than my 205-55-16 Pilot Alpin winter tires that I had for it. It was very noticable. Generally, they purposely design winter tires narrower than all-seasons of the same size.

Nextmod

11-17-2006, 12:09 PM

I have them on Special Hankook with steelies

email me at supershyguy_2000@yahoo.com or call me at 647-887-7665

Chirophilly

11-20-2006, 07:56 PM

thanks for all the great info.... I'm assuming this is coming from people who have winter tires, and obviously like them

How about hearing form anyone who just keeps the stock tires on? You find it a challenge in and around Toronto in the winter? You sliding like bambi on ice? Don't have any problems at all??

Just trying to figure out how they'll handle.... and if i need to dig into the pockets a bit more. Thanks guys (and gals)!

majic

11-20-2006, 08:17 PM

thanks for all the great info.... I'm assuming this is coming from people who have winter tires, and obviously like them

duh.. yes :P

How about hearing form anyone who just keeps the stock tires on? You find it a challenge in and around Toronto in the winter? You sliding like bambi on ice? Don't have any problems at all??

stocks suck.. here's what happens.. people drive on stocks b/c they don't want to dish out the $650-700 for new snows.. THEN either

1) they have a deah defying experience and vow to purchase snows asap but the prices went up by a $100 at least or there's no inventory left
2) they get into a crash.. dish out 1-2K for repairs (on the lower end) and then buy snows and pay 4x the amount they would have by buying right away :)

Just trying to figure out how they'll handle.... and if i need to dig into the pockets a bit more. Thanks guys (and gals)!

like crap, dig in.. buy them for xmas, 1 for you, 1 for wifey and 1 for each kid ;) they will appreciate it when they are alive :D and see santa

Broli

11-21-2006, 01:46 AM

get the winters

best 640 i ever spent!

Wild Weasel

11-22-2006, 09:46 AM

How about hearing form anyone who just keeps the stock tires on?* You find it a challenge in and around Toronto in the winter?* You sliding like bambi on ice?* Don't have any problems at all??

Last winter was my first winter on proper tires. Previous to that, I'd always run all-seasons.

The previous winter, I was on brand new all-seasons so the tread depth wasn't the problem. They simply couldn't get any grip in the snow. Forgetting about all the dangers that come from reduced traction and wildly increased braking distances, normal cautious slow driving could be a real PITA when there was snow on the ground.

There were plenty of times where I'd be driving up a modest hill (hardly even worth calling a "hill" and wouldn't be able to get moving without great care and effort. An example would be Ellesmere Rd. westbound just past Kennedy.

I had times where I'd have the steering wheel at full lock to the left, inching up the hill, praying I wouldn't slide to the right into the curb. Without an LSD, when you start losing traction you end up with that no-traction-getting wheel spinning while the other one does nothing. That will then pull the car toward one side, sending you brushing up against a curb and trashing your wheels.

Last year, with the winter tires, I had no issues whatsoever. I never had to think twice about whether I'd get up a hill or something. The car just drove where I wanted it to. I never ended up stuck in ruts unable to make a lane change because if I wanted to change lanes, I just did it and the car went through ruts like they weren't even there.

It's a world of difference. I never crashed or actually got stuck when I had the all-seasons but having the winters was phenomenally more confidence-inspiring. I'll never go back now.

FLIPDADY

11-22-2006, 02:38 PM

Here's two points to consider:

1.)All-season's have a harder rubber compound thus creating less traction on ice/snow.

2.)Snow tires are the oppisite and are designed to soften up in freezing temperatures so you get better traction.

There is no such thing as all season tires anymore. More like 3 season.

Skarbro

11-22-2006, 03:44 PM

2.)Snow tires are the oppisite and are designed to soften up in freezing temperatures so you get better traction.

I have to disagree with you there, bro. Winter tires do not soften up as the temperature goes down. They get harder. But since they are softer than all-seasons to begin with and are a different compound, they don't get as hard as all-seasons at the lower temperatures.

I do believe that for the tires to get softer at colder temperatures is against the laws of physics. ;)

FLIPDADY

11-22-2006, 04:08 PM

I have to disagree with you there, bro. Winter tires do not soften up as the temperature goes down. They get harder. But since they are softer than all-seasons to begin with and are a different compound, they don't get as hard as all-seasons at the lower temperatures.

I do believe that for the tires to get softer at colder temperatures is against the laws of physics. ;)

Let me change that statement. Winter tires are made up of a softer compound which allows for better traction in snow. ;)

Okay just look here:

http://www.tirerack.com/winter/tech/techpage.jsp?techid=120&currentpage=118

+--SM M3--+

11-23-2006, 02:27 PM

i bought my 3 last september and went thru the winter fine w/ the stock tires...

however this year im changing up to winters b/c i learned a bit more about winter tires...

basically they perform better when the outside temp is 7 degrees and below due to the compound they're made with.

You can go all seasons...but winters are always better just b/c they're designed for the temperature outside

I didn't slide like bambi lol but i noticed w/ the new tires even tho there hasn't been snow yet..when it's cold, they stick WELL...handling's good...just supposedly i shouldn't speed in them...but who goes the speed limit right? haha

wtom

11-23-2006, 02:40 PM

Knock-on-wood no one riding on the stock tires in snow-fall will need to do some emergency maneuvers/braking because that's when it'll count. ;)

Kevin@nextmod

11-24-2006, 02:30 AM

I got my car last september and ran thru winter and till now i got my winters on 3 weeks ago.
The RSA's are totally done. The tread wear bar is indicating and wearing off. And i was happy and lucky i survived last years snow.

But I was also lucky enough to drive my beater.

Chirophilly

11-30-2006, 11:58 PM

Anyone have any input on Cooper Weathermasters or Wanli's??????

lead82

12-09-2006, 11:34 PM

Hey guys, I'm still debating on whether or not to get winter tires. I used to be driving my dad's minivan with all seasons and they were ok for driving in the city. The braking distance was ok, but I didn't have too much trouble with traction control.

However, now that I got the 3, I wonder if it's different for small cars. I have the OEM Toyo Proxes on the car since it's a 2007, so I'm wondering how they'll do in the winter here in Toronto.

I guess one of the main reasons for the hesitation in getting winter tires is not really the price, but where to store the extra set of tires. I live in a condo and don't have a locker to store them, and don't really want to store them in my unit.

I guess I'll see how these tires handle in the first winter and make my decision after that.

FLIPDADY

12-10-2006, 11:15 AM

From what I've heard with a few of my customers the Toyo's aren't too bad. Just drive carefully and adjust your driving style according to the weather.

wtom

12-10-2006, 06:29 PM

Like any tires, keep a safe distance behind the car in front of you. Don't get yourself into a jam if that car suddenly had to stop on a dime for whatever reason. ;)

Skarbro

12-11-2006, 04:46 AM

Read this in the Star on the weekend. This sums it up nicely:

ARTICLE (http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1165531810389&call_pageid=968867497088&col=969048871196)

At the top of the list for safe winter driving are winter tires. If you own a set with more than five years of service on them, it's time for new ones — their grip deteriorates with age.

Tire tests have shown that winter tires can reduce stopping distances on ice by as much as 40 per cent. And, in cold temperatures, even on dry roads, winter tires will provide superior grip.

Starting at about 7C, all-season tires begin to lose grip compared to winter tires, which use a softer rubber compound.

And most people don't realize that tires may be designated "all season" regardless of how poorly they perform on ice and snow.

All vehicles need four winter tires — that includes rear-wheel-drive, front-wheel-drive and all-wheel-drive vehicles. Never try to get through winter with only two winter tires.

--=PsYcH0mAN=--

12-11-2006, 10:22 PM

Hi guys,

I've been reading as many of the tips that you have posted on the forums so far.. there is way too many for a noob.. :)

I'm looking to get winter tires (I know.. its late) and I'm not sure where to go and what tires to buy. I've got a 2006 Mazda 3 GT with the GFX package so my tires are 205/50R17. I normally go to Canadian Tire for most of my stuff but I hear a lot of bad comments about their service department. Other than the dealer (they tend to be expensive), where else can I go? If I go to CT, then I'm limited to the two winter tires that they have on stock but they will replace my tires for free. Is Costco a good place to go? Any tires shops that are good?

Also, specifically, I've been reading that I can go down to 16" wheels.. does the width or the aspect ratio matter? (I know that narrower is better in snow so that you can carve through the ice and not on top of it) What's the limits (min/max) on the width and ratio that I should go?

For rims, there is only one variable right? (rim size/radius).. does the width of the RIM matter? Or are all tires the right section width (and can fit into the rim width)?

I drive about 60km every day and 90% of the time it is in the GTA area (home to work and back: West end Toronto to Steeles Ave/Warden). I don't want to spend TOO much but I do want good tires that will last a couple of winter seasons. I also don't drive too crazily so the tire rating wouldn't matter much (S would be sufficient?)

Sorry about all the questions.. I know there is quite a bit but I do want to try to get tires ASAP. Thanks for all the help! Looking forward to browsing through these forums more often.

majic

12-11-2006, 10:33 PM

Hi guys,

hi :)

I've been reading as many of the tips that you have posted on the forums so far.. there is way too many for a noob.. :)

I'm looking to get winter tires (I know.. its late) and I'm not sure where to go and what tires to buy. I've got a 2006 Mazda 3 GT with the GFX package so my tires are 205/50R17. I normally go to Canadian Tire for most of my stuff but I hear a lot of bad comments about their service department. Other than the dealer (they tend to be expensive), where else can I go? If I go to CT, then I'm limited to the two winter tires that they have on stock but they will replace my tires for free. Is Costco a good place to go? Any tires shops that are good?

look in the classifieds section.. there are a few sponsors such as tires23.com or midnightgtfx.. they all are very reputable and can get really good prices (about 600-700 is the least you are looking to spend on decent NEW 16s)

Also, specifically, I've been reading that I can go down to 16" wheels.. does the width or the aspect ratio matter? (I know that narrower is better in snow so that you can carve through the ice and not on top of it) What's the limits (min/max) on the width and ratio that I should go?

yes.. get these 205/55/16

I drive about 60km every day and 90% of the time it is in the GTA area (home to work and back: West end Toronto to Steeles Ave/Warden). I don't want to spend TOO much but I do want good tires that will last a couple of winter seasons. I also don't drive too crazily so the tire rating wouldn't matter much (S would be sufficient?)

i would stay away from the UBER soft ones (shaddap skarboro, this is my reply ;) :P ..) for GTA area i would get H rated, such as the hankook W300s that i have .. they've been great search for w300 posts by me or other ppl on their feedback..

Sorry about all the questions.. I know there is quite a bit but I do want to try to get tires ASAP. Thanks for all the help! Looking forward to browsing through these forums more often.

it's ok.. ur a noob and i am waiting for a task to finish so i have some time.. now next time you should search ;)

Skarbro

12-11-2006, 10:36 PM

Lmao

maumau

04-20-2007, 12:47 PM

17inch rim is too much for snow
get something like 16 with snow

rbart4506

04-20-2007, 03:16 PM

Anyone know what the standard \"stock\" tire is? Most of the complaints I\'ve heard are against the Firestone tires, but a friend just bought a M3 2005 sedan, and it came with Toyo Proxes which are an AMAZING tire. I think she only got the 16\" rims though, so does that have something to do with it?

You thought the Proxes were an amazing tire?? I thought they plain sucked in anything other then perfectly dry pavement, got rid mine after one summer. I couldn't handle the white knuckle driving when it rained.

wingnut12

04-21-2007, 04:04 PM

Well, this WAS a dead thread. I wonder how many pages back they had to go to find it.

vlee

04-23-2007, 03:36 AM

i heard there not that great either!

commander

08-27-2007, 06:53 PM

Hey guys, I know its too early to ask but was wondering what Mazda owners did last winter or plan to do this winter - Winter Tires - yay or nay? I have the stock 17" Michelin All Season tires on my 2mth old 2007 Mazda 3GT - would it be worth the hassle?

MattC

08-27-2007, 07:06 PM

hassle??!?!?

get winter tires, its my 2nd fav mod, beyond my nav system.

You will feel 100% safer in winter, easier to get out of sticky situations in the bad weather.

zoomette

08-27-2007, 07:16 PM

GET WINTERS!!!! luv mine

FLIPDADY

08-27-2007, 07:33 PM

Stock tires are 3 season only. There really isn't a true "all season" tire anymore.

Winter tires are a smart and safe investment.

Fuman

08-27-2007, 08:34 PM

"17" Michelin All Season tires"
michelin? i thought we came with good year?
Snow tires will be ALOT better in emergency situations.

asif9t9

08-27-2007, 08:37 PM

Ya, wtf, how did you get Michelins when I got the same old Goodyears? Was it a choice? I'm in a two month old Sport GT.

FLIPDADY

08-27-2007, 09:26 PM

Your dealer must have switched the tires before you picked up your car. All Mazda 3's with 17" rims came with the Goodyears from the factory.

starwind

08-27-2007, 09:49 PM

Winters on their own rims.

Iturralde

08-28-2007, 10:36 AM

I also heard that for Mazda 3's you need winter tires. Go with X-Ice I hear they are very good.

Nice pic by the way, looks familiar

jstro

09-03-2007, 02:50 PM

I am also looking for winters...has anyone seen any good sales lately? Figured they now might be trying to clear out last year's stock...

Malcolm991

09-03-2007, 03:51 PM

Get winter tires, trust me

JonsMazda

09-03-2007, 05:25 PM

What kind of winter tires are u guys running on?

MattC

09-04-2007, 02:47 PM

hankook w300's

RedRaptor

09-04-2007, 02:50 PM

Kumho KW17s.

b3GS

09-04-2007, 03:00 PM

Mine came stock with Toyo All seasons

I know Winter tires are better, but has anyone experienced the Toyo All season in winter?

Wild Weasel

09-04-2007, 03:45 PM

Mine came stock with Toyo All seasons

I know Winter tires are better, but has anyone experienced the Toyo All season in winter?

I used the Toyo Proxes FZ4's for a couple years on the Sunfire. I never got stuck, but it was a completely different ballgame last year on the Blizzak WS-50's. I'll never go back!

FLIPDADY

09-04-2007, 04:57 PM

Mine came stock with Toyo All seasons

I know Winter tires are better, but has anyone experienced the Toyo All season in winter?
I've had people complain about all the stock tires wether it's the 15", 16" Toyo's or the 17" Goodyear RS-A's.

You still can't compare a socalled "all season" to a dedicated snow tire.

Magitronic

09-04-2007, 05:51 PM

the stock tires are honestly a joke. They are the worst tires i`ve ever had for the winter. 1mm of snow and i was slidding all over the place. Thankfully I got the car in march so I missed most of the winter. Id definitly go to winters tho. Go for 16inch if your worried about the cost. 120bux approx for tire, 50bux per steel rim

howitts_done

09-04-2007, 11:41 PM

Flipdady - When are you having the winter tire with steelie special?

The stock 'all season' tires are brutal in the wet weather, so get snow tires.

EvilDeadFan

09-05-2007, 02:47 AM

Don't even joke around! So if you're going to a track in the summer. Would you do it on heavy winters? Hell no, you'll either get a set of racing tires, or high performance summers.

Same thing, get winters for the winter if you can afford it.
I bought a set of Dunlop Winter Sport M3's and they are unbelievable. My car handles WAY better on those in the winter than my RSA's do in the summer!

garboui

09-05-2007, 06:42 AM

I used the Toyo Proxes FZ4's for a couple years on the Sunfire. I never got stuck, but it was a completely different ballgame last year on the Blizzak WS-50's. I'll never go back!

=1 For the blizzaks. drove home at the worst of the snowstorm we had in hamilton last winter (good 8 inches in a few hours) and passed lots of stuck/ struggling cars comming up the mountain.

whiteomega

09-05-2007, 12:14 PM

I've had people complain about all the stock tires wether it's the 15", 16" Toyo's or the 17" Goodyear RS-A's.

You still can't compare a socalled "all season" to a dedicated snow tire.

i call them Florida all-season tyres.

and yes, you really can't compare them to winter tyres...i used the RSAs in the snow last year, and will be getting winter tyres this year (haven't decided on which ones yet).

my folks have the X-ICEs on their volvo...great tyre, but $$$$$. it also sounds like a jet plane in the wet.

rallyboy

09-05-2007, 05:23 PM

What kind of winter tires are u guys running on?

Hankook W404 on 16" steel. I can keep up with most 4wd's in the snow.
Watch for good deals from Tires23.com, but be wary of buying "last years" tires. Tires have a 5-6 year life span regardless of whether they are on a car or in a warehouse. Look for the 2 digit year in the sidewall serial number for when they were molded.

condor888000

09-05-2007, 05:32 PM

my folks have the X-ICEs on their volvo...great tyre, but $$$$$. it also sounds like a jet plane in the wet.

Can get them at a decent price at Costco. Still expensive, but holy crap are they great. Well worth the price IMO.

JonsMazda

09-05-2007, 06:32 PM

Thanks guys! Hmmmm soo many choices to choose from...

FLIPDADY

09-06-2007, 12:42 AM

I'll post up the packages tomorrow.

cwp_sedan

09-06-2007, 10:25 AM

I'll post up the packages tomorrow.

Sweet! You know I need 2 more steelies Joe :)

FLIPDADY

09-06-2007, 11:36 AM

Sweet! You know I need 2 more steelies Joe :)
I heard ya!:)

ZOOM ON 3

09-07-2007, 11:51 PM

Michelin X-Ice for me. I've had them on my car for the last 3 winters and they're great. A little pricey, but I believe an extra little of money is worthwhile investment instead of getting into a small stupid accident which can easily cost you several thousands of dollars (that's if you don't go through insurance).
And yes they are pretty loud.

Vito

EvilDeadFan

09-08-2007, 03:50 PM

i call them Florida all-season tyres.

and yes, you really can't compare them to winter tyres...i used the RSAs in the snow last year, and will be getting winter tyres this year (haven't decided on which ones yet).

my folks have the X-ICEs on their volvo...great tyre, but $$$$$. it also sounds like a jet plane in the wet.

Even though we have different tires, I LOVE passing people like that. :) Before, with all seasons on my last car, I used to think people were f'n crazy for passing others in the snow because of my low traction, even with Goodyear Assurance Tripletred all season tires which were very $$$. Now with winters I safely pass by people even in the deep unplowed snow, and can tell people get all confused and annoyed. I think it's great however, since it's perfectly safe.

EvilDeadFan

09-08-2007, 03:56 PM

One other note, mine aren't loud, and because they didn't have the h rated ones left? I got the v rated ones. Performane Winter tires, low road noise suprisingly. I had other notchy looking tires, and they were loud as hell.

raggs

09-10-2007, 03:04 PM

I'll post up the packages tomorrow.
__________________
Hey Flip. When do we see your numbers?
Thanks

cereal83

09-10-2007, 03:37 PM

Even though we have different tires, I LOVE passing people like that. :) Before, with all seasons on my last car, I used to think people were f'n crazy for passing others in the snow because of my low traction, even with Goodyear Assurance Tripletred all season tires which were very $$$. Now with winters I safely pass by people even in the deep unplowed snow, and can tell people get all confused and annoyed. I think it's great however, since it's perfectly safe.

I pass people with bald tires in 1 foot of snow so I can't wait to get some winters if what your saying is true. I will be able to drive like it's a a nice summer day.

IMHIP2

09-10-2007, 03:39 PM

I'll post up the packages tomorrow.
__________________
Hey Flip. When do we see your numbers?
Thanks

He did. They are in the classifieds under current deals with a sticky at the top

EvilDeadFan

09-10-2007, 04:08 PM

I pass people with bald tires in 1 foot of snow so I can't wait to get some winters if what your saying is true. I will be able to drive like it's a a nice summer day.

That is exactly what it is like with a high end winter tire. I pass suv's and other vehicles with awd or 4x4 in all seasons like they're sitting still. I would have called it dangerous previously, and the only danger now is having people get worried about you passing them. Not necessarily fast, but yeah... :D

jstro

09-10-2007, 05:06 PM

He did. They are in the classifieds under current deals with a sticky at the top

How about those of us who just got our 3s (so we are new here and don't have the 50 posts necessary to see the classifieds), but still need winter tires?

Could you possibly please post the deals somewhere other than the classifieds, Joe?

Thanks! :bana2

IMHIP2

09-10-2007, 05:15 PM

How about those of us who just got our 3s (so we are new here and don't have the 50 posts necessary to see the classifieds), but still need winter tires?

Could you possibly please post the deals somewhere other than the classifieds, Joe?

Thanks! :bana2

You can read the posts - you just need to be logged in

EvilDeadFan

09-10-2007, 05:28 PM

EVERYONE needs winter tires. It's just that not everyone can afford it.

Nextmod

09-10-2007, 05:44 PM

I will be getting an updated winter price list soon

jstro

09-10-2007, 05:56 PM

You can read the posts - you just need to be logged in
Haha I have apparently confirmed my noob status. I see them now, thanks imhip.

thrasher

10-05-2007, 02:05 PM

X-Ice don't come V rated right?

So for V rated tires there are Dunlop winter sports M3, Alpin PA2.. Anyone one use any other ones?

I only ask casue the dude at Sam's Club won't put anything but V rated tires on for me cause the stock 17's are V rated..

PPI_MAN

10-09-2007, 03:33 PM

b3GS

10-09-2007, 03:42 PM

Hi Everyone,

Are winter tires really worth the money? I have an 04 Mazda3 GX. I've been driving on stock rims and wheels for two winters with no problem. You live in TO the highway and major roads are snow plowed in the morning. You hit the highway at 6:30 - 7:00am its already clean. I don't know if I've been lucky, but I feel driving for the road conditions and keeping your distance all the time is the key no matter the time of day or season. Night, day, winter and summer you should be fine. I've never had a problem in the 15+ years I been driving. If you go up the Barrie or snowy parts yes you should get them.

Comment or Suggestions

PPI_MAN

there is the possibility of those times, when it snows during the day and it makes the drive home a nightmare. Snow tires are good for those situations and are without a doubt an increased safety factor.
They could be the difference when you need to get out of a possible accident.
All seasons are really a compromise of all seasons.. they are fair in all conditions.. but not great in any particular one

the majority of the time, you're right.. the roads are clear.. but it's added piece of mind.. for those few times when the roads suck ass

the weather is too unpredictable up here. If you can afford some peace of mind.. why not?

Fuman

10-09-2007, 05:32 PM

Hi Everyone,

Are winter tires really worth the money? I have an 04 Mazda3 GX. I've been driving on stock rims and wheels for two winters with no problem. You live in TO the highway and major roads are snow plowed in the morning. You hit the highway at 6:30 - 7:00am its already clean. I don't know if I've been lucky, but I feel driving for the road conditions and keeping your distance all the time is the key no matter the time of day or season. Night, day, winter and summer you should be fine. I've never had a problem in the 15+ years I been driving. If you go up the Barrie or snowy parts yes you should get them.

Comment or Suggestions

PPI_MAN
Get a decent / yet affordable set of snow tires and see for yourself?
I have always used snow tires, and I can say that even in snow storms, I'm can driving at posted speed limits or maybe a bit beyond, depending on what the speed limit/road conditions/traffic/how twist the roads are.
I never went back after using snow tires. I tried with the RS-As. I almost hit a school bus going 5-10km/h turning left. Switched to snow tires and never had that understeer problem again.

jeromethebus

10-09-2007, 06:08 PM

Hankook W404 on 16" steel. I can keep up with most 4wd's in the snow.
Watch for good deals from Tires23.com, but be wary of buying "last years" tires. Tires have a 5-6 year life span regardless of whether they are on a car or in a warehouse. Look for the 2 digit year in the sidewall serial number for when they were molded.

Work at a dealer and Michelin won't take back stock older than 4 years(dot# on tire)

asif9t9

10-09-2007, 06:32 PM

Comment or Suggestions

PPI_MAN

I think you're right about not needing snow tires up here. I also drove for 15 years without snow tires, but now I've moved out to a street in Oakville which is apparently dead last on the list of roads to be plowed. So, I end up driving around for a few days in deep snow.

And funny enough, the only times I've ever been stranded were on my own street!! Literally, a few houses down from my house. So, I'd walk home and grab a shovel to dig myself out.

Since I got the snow tires, no problems. The tires prefer traction over just spinning. It's a small thing for me, but I no longer need to pick up speed to plow my way from the main plowed road to my house. Snow tires do work and they are safer. That's a fact. If you can afford them...and basically anyone can....no reason not to.

Tires23

10-11-2007, 12:56 PM

Check out our winter specials here : http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=20688

mazdaagain

10-12-2007, 02:04 AM

People always seem to be under the illusion that winter tires will cost them more and ask if they are worth it. Look at it this way ...

You have Goodyear RSA's. Let's say that they will last you 3 years driving all year round. So 3 years from now you need new tires. If you buy snows and you run them Nov-Apr, then you use them 6 months a year. That means your RSA's will now last you 6 years instead of 3 years since you use them 1/2 as much. Your snows are good for 3-5 winters, so over a 6 year period, you actually don't spend more than you might otherwise. The only real difference is the investment now intead of 3 years from now and the cost of steel wheels or new rims.

The difference in traction of winters tires over all season's is phenomenal. All you have to do is avoid hitting 1 curb and throwing your alignment off or 1 fender bender. I bought winters 3 cars ago and now always get winters. I bought my 3 in Jan and drove the car staright from the dealer to the tire shop.

I run 16" Toyo Snowprox S952's (http://www.toyocanada.com/products/SnowProxS952.asp). They are a high end performance snow tire. They run as well or better than the 17" Goodyear RSA's in dry and are amazing in snow. They have absolutley no road noise. I used to run Yakohoma Guardex's on my last car and although they are great in snow, they are soft compound and had more road noise. these tires don't even look like they are snow's and even the tread design makes you think "no way will they be better in snow" but they are great.

EvilDeadFan

10-12-2007, 07:32 AM

Btw I know I love my Dunlop Winter Sport M3 tires, but the Dunlop Winter Sport 3d tires are new tires they have which replace the type I have, and from what I hear, are even better!

asif9t9

10-12-2007, 08:45 AM

Fuman

10-12-2007, 04:43 PM

That thoery sounds good until you buy winter tires. Then everyone tells you you're crazy if you think tires can last 6 years, no matter the mileage. Rubber just deteriorates on its own over time.

The answer is somewhere in between.

i beg to differ... my guardian has her 4 seasons (used for summers only) for 10 years ,literally 10 years. We are finally getting rid of them due to the plastic starting to crack. Also, the tread is almost used up on these all seasons. The winters we are replacing still looks new. But we are told that the rubber compound may have deformed. (both sets have been ten years)

samsvoc

10-12-2007, 05:33 PM

I agree with Fuman. My brother inlaw has swopped out his allseasons and winters for 4 years going on 5. The rubber still looks like new. Todays rubber is lasting longer than ever, although there still is a time when the tires will start to show wear and tear.

KenYork

10-13-2007, 09:00 PM

I guess it just depends on how dry the rubber gets(cracking) and not the years they last.

Mike

10-17-2007, 09:58 AM

On the subject of winter tires, I'm trying to educate myself as to what brand/models are the best. I find it really hard to get info that's accurate or not bias. It's easy to find people that give opinion on this and this model, but if they didn't compare it directly to a different model installed on the same kind of car, it's not really valid.

I had a set for the last few years, and as far as I'm concern, they were super nice. But really, what do I know? That's the only set I had on that car.

Anyway, basically I think the only reviews that are worth reading, is from people who tried a few models on the same car, or magazine/shop tests, and hope they are not too bias to what they sell/advertise.

Base on that idea and extensive research on the net, I narrowed it down to a few different models. The one that came on top of my list is the Gislaved Nord frost 5.

Now here's my question (applies to any brand). Because the Nord Frost is designed to be studded, and I will be using them unstudded, should I be looking at the soft frost (unstudded version) even thu the Nord Frost is the one that's getting great reviews?
ie: is the Soft frost 2 as good as the Nordfrost 5 unstudded?

Hope that makes sense... let me know what you think.

EvilDeadFan

10-17-2007, 10:13 AM

I'm not sure about the Nordfrost 5's, but I k now Nokian also makes superior winter tires.

Studded tires are for extreme conditions, but running them without the studs will give them a slightly bigger contact patch on the road, and should still remain an excellent ire..

WhiteSpeed3

10-17-2007, 10:29 AM

i got my price and going to order my tires today hankook w300 great tire this is my 2nd set and i will keep going back

Mike

10-17-2007, 11:16 AM

Nokian Hakka Rsi would definitely be my first choice, but I'm having a hard time justifying the difference in price (almost $250 more then the Gislaved). I got the prices from tire23 (the site sponsor) and they seem to have some of the best price (and selection) around.

So you're saying that studded tires (without studs) have a bigger contact patch?? Relative to non studded model or relative to the same model with stud?

Fuman

10-17-2007, 12:52 PM

Mike

10-17-2007, 02:32 PM

Haven't seen that thread yet. Thanks Fuman. Great reading. Did you change your mind after a full winter on them(great grip on snow, but not the best handling on dry pavement)?

Fuman

10-17-2007, 03:19 PM

Haven't seen that thread yet. Thanks Fuman. Great reading. Did you change your mind after a full winter on them(great grip on snow, but not the best handling on dry pavement)?
I would get them again. But I purposely got my guardian Hankook W409 so I've something to compare to. So unless the Hankooks blow me away, I'm going to get me another set of these in a few years.

Nextmod

10-17-2007, 08:38 PM

PM us for a special price on most winter tire brands

we will make sure we give you a good deal

MikeyGT

10-30-2007, 08:08 PM

Hey guys... if i used 16" winter tires, wouldn't i need to readjust the speedometer since smaller wheels spin more than 17"?

Wild Weasel

10-30-2007, 09:37 PM

Nope. If you get 16's you get them with a larger sidewall so the overall tire diameter is the same as stock.

MikeyGT

10-30-2007, 10:09 PM

Nope. If you get 16's you get them with a larger sidewall so the overall tire diameter is the same as stock.

Sorry.. what would be the size of the tire?.. 205/50R16?

i'm a total n00b in cars... and if i can save some cash from getting 16".. then i'll do that ><

RedRaptor

10-30-2007, 11:42 PM

Sorry.. what would be the size of the tire?.. 205/50R16?

i'm a total n00b in cars... and if i can save some cash from getting 16".. then i'll do that ><

205/55/16 is the perfect size for our cars. Most of us run 16" winters to save money as well.

Fuman

10-31-2007, 12:11 AM

http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
if you are wondering about other rim size / width/ ratio combo

WhiteZoomZoom

10-31-2007, 12:01 PM

So, anyone here is using 205/60R16? What's are the pros and cons between 55 and 60?

Wild Weasel

11-02-2007, 09:34 AM

There are no pros and cons about using the proper size. It is simply the proper size.

If you use 205/60/16 the tires will be taller than they should be. You'll hurt acceleration and fuel mileage, and your speedometer will read a little slower than what you're actually doing.

If you happen to have those tires lying around and want to use them up, then go right ahead, but don't go spending money on the wrong sized tires.

Moses

11-03-2007, 12:41 AM

Anyone driving douring the winter on stock or any allseason 17" tires??
What's the brand of tires do u have, feedback please.
Just wanna see how many of u have winters or summers??

JonsMazda

11-03-2007, 01:00 AM

From what i've heard, all-season stock tires sucks ass. Handling is crap.... Better off with snow tires :D Do a search on this forum, lots of info :)

Fuman

11-03-2007, 01:10 AM

search next time please:
list of relevant threads:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=15376&highlight=stock+tires+suck
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=20173&highlight=stock+tire+winter
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=9581&highlight=stock+tire+winter

edit:
Thanks mod for merging all relevant threads.

RX9

11-29-2007, 12:25 AM

stock RSA is NOT good for Winter! u'll need a set winters for sure, even they clean the road quick enought, we still have suddent storms or forzen rain offten(city won't be there for u). RSA won't hadle it.

imthatguy

12-02-2007, 02:27 PM

I was out last night at 3am. Let's just say a harrowing experience at best. Bought my 3 in March, and expected that I'd be able to make it through the first winter on the stock all season 17's. Fat chance. As soon as this melts, and people have forgotten, I'm getting winters.

qycxzerqp

12-02-2007, 06:16 PM

I think it's better to have winter tires especially when the stock RS-A are bad for snow. My RS-A acutally met few snow days before I bought winter tires. It was like night and day. No regret.

brimacfly

12-04-2007, 04:39 PM

Hey guys, i need a bit of help in deciding my tires. Right now I have the Toyo Proxes 205/55/16, and they are crap for the northern ontario winters up here in the Soo. I was looking on Tirerack, and there are some good deals on WS-60, X-Ice's, ect. Should I be getting a 15 inch tire, or sticking with 16 inch tires? There is not too much selection for tires up here, but i can get Cooper Avalanches of 500, Toyo Garrett KX for 700, or Graspics for 500. I'm not sure if it is better to order them from Tirerack or stick with somebody in town. I don't know a whole lot about winter tires and would appreciate anybody's opinion.

thanks

Krakilin

12-09-2007, 09:46 PM

I've been driving with my Stock tires for the past 2 winters... slipping here and there on icy / snowly conditions, decided to buy winter tires this year, picked up Viking Snowtechs R16s yesturday... all I have to say is WOW, what a difference, for those 3 people who are still using Mazda stock tires, go switch to winter tires NOW!

brimacfly

12-13-2007, 12:20 AM

I decided to go with the Dunlop Graspics 2's, and they rock for the conditions that we face up here. The difference is like night and day. The best decision I've made in reference to this car.

cereal83

12-13-2007, 12:58 AM

lol I am still on summers and have only been stuck once.

RedRaptor

12-13-2007, 04:44 AM

lol I am still on summers and have only been stuck once.

Not exactly something to be proud of.

cwp_sedan

12-13-2007, 09:19 AM

Not exactly something to be proud of.

+1

Get your winters on now since it's supposed to snow again

samsvoc

12-13-2007, 05:40 PM

lol I am still on summers and have only been stuck once.

I hope you don't drive behind me. :loco

cereal83

01-09-2008, 09:20 PM

I hope you don't drive behind me. :loco

Sadly I have winters now but for what reason, I have no clue! Damn road noise is annoying

samsvoc

01-10-2008, 01:38 AM

Sadly I have winters now but for what reason, I have no clue! Damn road noise is annoying

Better safe than sorry. After my accident, I swore to only use winters in the snowy months. Like night and day. When the next snow storm hits TO, you'll be happy you bought winter tires. Oh, do drive for the conditions, no fast driving. My .03 cents.:chuckle

lamerking

01-10-2008, 01:45 PM

Damn road noise is annoying

Just turn up your stereo system. :chuckle I do it, I can barely hear the tire music.

ICEBOX

09-08-2008, 12:17 AM

I will never drive in the winter with all seasons, I have always had winters since I started driving.

allen@simplytire.com

09-18-2008, 08:04 PM

LOL... I voted for winter tires.

Totally un-biased. :)

CanadianDriver

09-19-2008, 05:22 PM

allen@simplytire.com

09-19-2008, 05:51 PM

winter tires pay for themselves and for every fender bender we avoid, we're practically getting money back. Agree?

100%.

Buckpostie

12-14-2008, 02:26 PM

GET WINTER TIRES!!!!! I have a 08.5 Mazda 3 GT "LTD" out here in Regina Sask. I drove approx 2 weeks with the stock 17"'s,,,,,,, nothing but sliding, braking was terrible.

I put on Blizzak Revo's, 205/55 16's. Night and day difference. Its actually unreal how they react to snow and ice here in Sask. It is -30 today and the tires are perfect. Not a big fan of the steelies though......just my 2 cents.

08.5 M3 GT "LTD" 1 of only 200 built. Speed CAI, Speed exhaust, Tint, Aluminum Fuel filler door, Metropolitan Grey (only colour it comes in), and of course Sask Roughrider fuzzy dice.

MSMitch

12-14-2008, 03:13 PM

Winter tires? I wonder if he still even has the car - it's been 3 years since his post! :)

mazdas3sporte

12-14-2008, 07:21 PM

drove with 3-season uniroyal tiger paws winter '02 and almost got into a fender bender. never looked back.

winter tires pay for themselves and for every fender bender we avoid, we're practically getting money back. agree?

thats true but if u dont drive like an idiot, ex speeding in snow u should not have any problem what so ever with all seaons, ive never had all seaons and had no problem at all getting stuck or anything, i just take alternate routes, i agree that the diffrence between all seaons and winters is allot but if u drive with caution in winter with all seaons u should have no problem,

MSMitch

12-14-2008, 07:41 PM

Winter tires give you significantly shorter stopping distances vs all seasons. There are tons of people who drive in all seasons IN all season tires (some even in summer tires, bless their stupid little brains!:loco).
But to say, "I'll just drive with caution" is all fine and dandy, but not everyone shares that sentiment, and mother nature sure doesn't. You can't predict the emergency stops, swerves, black ice, etc etc etc.

In emegrency situations in the winter, I just hope that the guy with all seasons is in front of me and not behind me! :)

It's been proven time and again that winter tires out-perform all seasons. But then again, it's also been proven that smoking is "kinda" bad for you, but people still do it (in all seasons no less). :whoa

commander

12-15-2008, 10:54 PM

Hi, I downsized my winter tires to Michelin Xi2, R-16, black rims... my stock tires are Goodyear 205/50-R17 and believe me - ABSOLUTE CRAP!!! :bang Even in the summer! They just slip and spin, especially around corners,no matter how carful you drive. My Mazda driver's pack has a Firestone/Bridgestone tire booklet so all this time I kept thinking I had those... turns out they're crappy Goodyear's instead.

So basically, the Michelin Xi2 16's rock. :chuckle