Nitrogen?

[nofear_102]

So, I was wondering, where would I go about getting nitrogen put in to my tires? I purchased a set of used ones with nitrogen already in them so I think I will stick with that.

Hope fully their is somewhere in the milton area...

Thanks!

[Xerox]

You can try Costo (if there's one in your area and you have membership)

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=14503&highlight=nitrogen

[dentinger]

canadian tire does it too....

[Wild Weasel]

Waste of money. Use free air and maintain them yourself.

[nofear_102]

Tried Canadian Tire, no luck on the nitro. Called costco, they won;t fill or install unless I purchased the tires there....Anyone know a place in or by Milton I can go too?

[MPS]

unless I purchased the tires there lol
Thanks to me

i took them to court for scrathing all of my rims :)

[nicker]

why is it a waste of money? I am hopeing to go with that. I know its a pain in the ass but, when you dump all this money into rims and clean and care for them weekly whey put air full of moisture in them. I know some say its not a big deal And perhaps its not as big a deal unless you have the air pressure sensors but hey.

[Wild Weasel]

Are you suggesting that unless you spend money on filling them up with nitrogen, they're going to rust from the inside out due to the moisture in the air that's in them?

What about the moisture in the air on the outside of the rims?

There's just no value in it. It's like thinking bottled water is better for you than tap water and paying extra for it.

[Iturralde]

Bottled water taste better than tap water - Yes

Nitrogron better than Air for your tires - Seems so

Would I pay extra cash to fill the tire with Nitro? - Probably not

That being said nofear102, it may not make sense to get your tires filled with Nitro if it will be way out of your way to get them filled again. Were you able to find a place that can do them? Just out of curiosty, how much?

Here is a NOOB question, if you have Nitro in your tires and decide to use air instead, do you have to deflate your tires first or can you just add the regular air to the Nitro?

X

[Mazda3_06]

So, I was wondering, where would I go about getting nitrogen put in to my tires? I purchased a set of used ones with nitrogen already in them so I think I will stick with that.

Hope fully their is somewhere in the milton area...

Thanks!

i think bramalea tire does it 10 dollars for the set
give them a call

[Wild Weasel]

Bottled water taste better than tap water - Yes

Nitrogron better than Air for your tires - Seems so

Would I pay extra cash to fill the tire with Nitro? - Probably not

That being said nofear102, it may not make sense to get your tires filled with Nitro if it will be way out of your way to get them filled again. Were you able to find a place that can do them? Just out of curiosty, how much?

Here is a NOOB question, if you have Nitro in your tires and decide to use air instead, do you have to deflate your tires first or can you just add the regular air to the Nitro?

X


You can just add regular air. Regular air is mostly nitrogen anyway. :)

[Skarbro]

There's just no value in it. It's like thinking bottled water is better for you than tap water and paying extra for it.
I'm not sure if you are just referring to the statement about rusting or if this is a blanket statement about nitrogen vs. air.

There is value in getting nitrogen.

Nitrogen molecules are bigger than oxygen molecules, so nitrogen does not naturally leak out as rapidly as air. Air diffuses 30-40% faster.

[Wild Weasel]

I know why. I'm saying it's not worth paying money for. Just check your tires once a month and add some air if you need to.

[Skarbro]

I know why. I'm saying it's not worth paying money for. Just check your tires once a month and add some air if you need to.
Oh I agree with you there. I wouldn't pay for nitrogen when I can fill it with air for free in my driveway. Just pointing out that there is some value to it...

[nicker]

no I am not saying they will rust, But a buddy of mine worked a tire place and was saying that he was seeing allot of wheels with the built in tire sensor going in them due to the amount of moisture in the air. They were basically rusting out. Now with that said I am not sure on the effect of the wheels themselves over time. But I do agree I wouldn't go out of my way for nitro or pay for it. Sorry I should have been more specific.

[Go_Habs_Go]

Hi,

Instead of starting a new thread on this subject, I figured I would revive an existing (albeit old) thread.

I'm getting a new set of winter tires and rims installed this weekend. I was considering getting them filled with nitrogen instead of air. I know some people have already expressed their opinion on the subject in this thread but I was hoping to get more people to pipe in on the subject with their opinions and experiences. Or perhaps some of you have changed your mind in the last year or so.

Has anyone here used nitrogen to fill up their tires? What has your experience been like? Does the pressure remain more constant during temperature fluctuations? Any other advantages/disadvantages?

Thanks for the feedback!

[dentinger]

the theory is that, no matter how hot or cold the temperature is, the pressure in the tires wont change.
it also has no moisture in it, so it wont corrode your rims (pointless on steel wheels, but somewhat benificial on aluminum wheels)
however, i've yet to do tires on a mazda where the stock aluminum wheels were corroded.
you get those fancy green caps tho.....

imo, nitro is pointless. just check the tires once a month or so. hell, i tihnk i checked my summer tires twice. when i put them on, and before i drove to sudbury. and still the tires (filled with air) stayed around 32ish.

oh, and Oxygen is sometihng like 70% nitro.

[Noisy Crow]

the theory is that, no matter how hot or cold the temperature is, the pressure in the tires wont change.


:loco PV=nRT still applies, regardless of the gas involved.

About the only advantage that makes any sense is that N2 molecues are bigger than O2 molecules, which means that it takes longer for the N2 to migrate out through any microleaks. But I suspect that pressuere adjustments to deal with seasonal temperature variations would mean that even for people who only check the tires a few times a year there would be no real benefit.


oh, and Oxygen is sometihng like 70% nitro.

I think you mean AIR is about 70% nitrogen. (And yep,it's about 78%)

[dentinger]

your too scientific for me.
all i know, is that im getting an extra .2 units for putting nitrogen in 4 tires.

[agm_ultimatex]

Are you suggesting that unless you spend money on filling them up with nitrogen, they're going to rust from the inside out due to the moisture in the air that's in them?

What about the moisture in the air on the outside of the rims?

There's just no value in it. It's like thinking bottled water is better for you than tap water and paying extra for it.

bottled is often filtered better, but hey i drink RO, so it doesnt apply. For our cars, I dont see the point in using nitrogen for our tires.

[TurboEight]

is there advantage in using this on the track, since it dosen't change the PSI wheter how hot or cold these get?


Or am i not understanding this right?

[Noisy Crow]

it dosen't change the PSI wheter how hot or cold these get?

I don't see how that is physically possible. At the pressures and temperatures involved, nitrogen will behave exactly like regular air in terms of reacting to temperature changes.

[Xerox]

is there advantage in using this on the track, since it dosen't change the PSI wheter how hot or cold these get?

Or am i not understanding this right?

Well, in pro motor sports where they squeeze every bit of performance they use Nitrogen filled tyres.
"Often, a half pound of pressure will radically affect traction and handling."
(http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question594.htm)


I don't see how that is physically possible. At the pressures and temperatures involved, nitrogen will behave exactly like regular air in terms of reacting to temperature changes.

"nitrogen has a much more consistent rate of expansion and contraction compared to the usual air."
(http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question594.htm)

But for Joe the Plumber Nitrogen is more for convenience, IMO.

[Go_Habs_Go]

"nitrogen has a much more consistent rate of expansion and contraction compared to the usual air."
(http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question594.htm)




Agreed. From what I've heard and read, the pressure in nitrogen fillled tires does not fluctuate as much as air filled tires. In fact this is why nitrogen is used in military planes and other aerospace applications. Nitrogen's pressure stays constant even in extreme weather conditions.

As for my tires...I don't know...I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to get the nitrogen but my concern is that whenever I do need to top them off it won't be obvious to find a place that has nitrogen. Of course I could just put in regular air whenever I do need to top them off a bit but this of course would eventually just get me back to regular air in my tires within a few years.

Has anyone on this board ever used nitrogen in their tires?!

[Flagrum_3]

Waste of money period :chuckle


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[condor888000]

I have, only because I got it for free. But, I adjust my pressures so much at Autox that the tires have to be mostly air now anyways. Which, after all is 78% nitrogen. :chuckle

Really, I see no benefit.

[Go_Habs_Go]

I have, only because I got it for free. But, I adjust my pressures so much at Autox that the tires have to be mostly air now anyways. Which, after all is 78% nitrogen. :chuckle

Really, I see no benefit.

Thanks for sharing your experience...that's what I was thinking too, I mean air is already 78% nitrogen so is going to 98% nitrogen (because there's almost no way they can guarantee 100%) really going to make that much of a difference? Especially if you start topping it off with regular air over the next few months/years?

The only reason I am considering getting the nitrogen is because I'm buying new Nokian winter tires (mucho expensive) so I was thinking the nitrogen would be worth it to protect the tires and rims.

I'm leaning towards not getting it...

[Go_Habs_Go]

I checeked with the shop that is going to install my new tires and rims tomorrow and they only charge 25$ for nitrogen in all 4 tires. At that price I am going to consider it...anyway I can decide tomorrow when they are mounting the tires.

[SonicBoy]

Try this link: http://www.getnitrogen.org/

There is a dealer locator if they are registered with the Nitrogen Institute. There is also a lot of info FAQs on how they make Nitrogen and % of purity and use.

$25/4 or $6.25 a tire for Nitrogen seems to be a cash grab. Now when they start making the machines for home use then I might consider it but right now I don't think I want to be tied in to going back to a shop just to get a top up.

[JMAK74]

I checeked with the shop that is going to install my new tires and rims tomorrow and they only charge 25$ for nitrogen in all 4 tires. At that price I am going to consider it...anyway I can decide tomorrow when they are mounting the tires.

You money is your money and your comfort with expensive winter tires understood, but:

- $25 for four tires vs. free/$0.25 to run the air pump at a gas station
- Granted a bit inconvenienced as I'll have to check tire pressure throughout winter
- I can't see the physical value/properties to justify Nitrogen for a Mazda3
- Cash is king

Air for me!

[Noisy Crow]

You money is your money and your comfort with expensive winter tires understood, but:

- $25 for four tires vs. free/$0.25 to run the air pump at a gas station
- Granted a bit inconvenienced as I'll have to check tire pressure throughout winter
- I can't see the physical value/properties to justify Nitrogen for a Mazda3
- Cash is king

Air for me!

This guy has some good arguments in regards to the lack of benefit from using nitrogen for everyday drivers:

http://ahotcupofjoe.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/nitrogen-tire-scam-part-3/