Do you think we are getting fair prices?

[azn_outlaw]

Hi there,

this is mainly towards owners of non-speed3 vehicles...

when ever we try to find an OEM Mazdaspeed3 parts, do you think we are getting treated with prices in which are according to trends to the market for a particular product?

the famous speed3 18 inch rims:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=101994.0

vs Canadian Pricing:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22247



do you think we speed3 owners are treated fairly when it comes to prices or do we have a better chance of shopping in the states and the difference is shipping.

Would you think that these higher CDN prices inviting theives, to steal rims to simply steal them and make a high return.

[MPS]

shop in the states pay customs and shipping
reson for USA price on parts is better Mazdaspeed 3 USA $24.000 Canada $31.000
you do the math

[Unoriginalusername]

A MS3 in Canada at $31k is 25% more expensive then a GT (which has leather trimmed seats) at $24,690 USD to begin with so first of all comparing a CND MS3 OEM parts price to that of a US model is not apples to apples since a Canadian owner has had to pay more for the car then in the US... the same is true of the standard three.

Second there is supply and demand, with only 250 units available for the first half of 07, with another 250 for the second half the availability of the MS3 parts thus far has been fairly exclusive/limited which protects the value of the common saught after OEM parts.

Third, shipping... try to ship a set of wheels and tires over the boarder and see how great that deal looks. Prices in the US should be cheaper because of the the availability, lower MRSP's and no cross boarder shipping charges.... stop your whinning :AH :pop If you want to go to the US to pick up your parts have fun

EDIT:
Why is this in the site suggestion section?

[azn_outlaw]

Listen carefull with the words you use and what youa are calling me, I am just a concerned consumer who trying to get the best deal

it is only to be fair to us...

if you ask me, it takes two to wine and complain, and look I see two Mazdaspeed3 owners complaining...why is you guys always travel in two's just because we find a far better price then you idiotic dealership pricing...

I mean you do not have rare JDM parts, so I just feel there too much of a gap between prices in the states then us

all I am doing is asking to be fair and clarificaiton......is it not the place i posted a suggestion box......

and yes you can save on shipping, you can either meet it at the board and have it held there....or you can actually get Grey hound to the shipping for you...

about supply and demand, have you seen the economy lately how the Canadian dollar has been, it is worth it to drive to the states or meet your item at Niagra then paying for what the forum has....

Oh and one more, note, dont get mad at me, when one day there is rash of stolen 18 inch Mazdaspeed3 rims, because people on this board are asking a very high price for them and theives will want to cash in on that.

I know this because back in the day when Honda tunning was still starting, a rash of SiR rims and GSR blades were being stolen left right and centre...then ending up on boards for large amounts, but in the end when it was still fresh, if you found SiR for 600, people dont care and grab them right away and dont care if they stolen or not...Quick sale, Quick money,

I am not asking to lower your price, I am just asking what is with the big gap and does it need to...

[Unoriginalusername]

Listen carefull with the words you use and what youa are calling me, I am just a concerned consumer who trying to get the best deal

it is only to be fair to us...

if you ask me, it takes two to wine and complain, and look I see two Mazdaspeed3 owners complaining...why is you guys always travel in two's just because we find a far better price then you idiotic dealership pricing...

I mean you do not have rare JDM parts, so I just feel there too much of a gap between prices in the states then us

all I am doing is asking to be fair and clarificaiton......is it not the place i posted a suggestion box......

and yes you can save on shipping, you can either meet it at the board and have it held there....or you can actually get Grey hound to the shipping for you...

about supply and demand, have you seen the economy lately how the Canadian dollar has been, it is worth it to drive to the states or meet your item at Niagra then paying for what the forum has....

Oh and one more, note, dont get mad at me, when one day there is rash of stolen 18 inch Mazdaspeed3 rims, because people on this board are asking a very high price for them and theives will want to cash in on that.

I am not asking to lower your price, I am just asking what is with the big gap and does it need to...

Regardless of what the US dollar is at it doesn't change what a Canadian speed3 owner paid for their car or what Mazda Canada would charge you for the part...

If you have an issue with Mazda for their 25% mark up to Canadians you have my vote but to expect people to pay a 25% premium in a limited supply market and then to sell you their stuff for at par or less then what you can get in the US that isn't a reasonable ask as it wasn't the owners that created the pricing or availability delta. If you want to buy from the US buy from the US end of story.

You also need to look at the condition of the parts, some wheels and tires in the US have alot of miles on them. One of the sets up for sale locally has zero KM on them... try and buy a brand new set of comparable tires anywhere in Canada and you'll be paying over 500 for just the rubber, asking 500-800 for just the rims is still very fair. And yes they are in Canada a rare JDM rim, the car is imported from Japan in limited supply so therefore they are rare JDM wheels :)

[azn_outlaw]

Regardless of what the US dollar is at it doesn't change what a Canadian speed3 owner paid for their car or what Mazda Canada would charge you for the part...

If you have an issue with Mazda for their 25% mark up to Canadians you have my vote but to expect people to pay a 25% premium in a limited supply market and then to sell you their stuff for at par or less then what you can get in the US that isn't a reasonable ask as it wasn't the owners that created the pricing or availability delta. If you want to buy from the US buy from the US end of story.

You also need to look at the condition of the parts, some wheels and tires in the US have alot of miles on them. One of the sets up for sale locally has zero KM on them... try and buy a brand new set of comparable tires anywhere in Canada and you'll be paying over 500 for just the rubber, asking 500-800 for just the rims is still very fair. And yes they are in Canada a rare JDM rim, the car is imported from Japan in limited supply so therefore they are rare JDM wheels :)


Uh yeah right....I see nothing but a USDM wheel on JDM designed body...

by the way...case in point, Canadian Speed3 owners who sell there rims in this board...if you are asking the $1600, $1000 or etc price for rims...

i dont see how these STOCK OEM RIMS can match to these and they are in the same price range...

so tell me, is the price of these rims really justified to $1000? when they are just 18X7.5??

vs this example:

http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103972

. 18x8.5 SSR Comps, gunmetal with a polished lip - $1100
- 5x100 with a +48 offset
- 3 in very good condition, one has a little bit of curb rash
- wrapped in very sticky Pirelli Corsa tires (~30% tread left)
- lightweight (~16lbs) and strong
- missing one center cap

yeah wrong bolt pattern...common this board is acting a fool for asking that much for an OEM rim!

[condor888000]

If you don't like the price, don't pay it. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to buy.

[Unoriginalusername]

Uh yeah right....I see nothing but a USDM wheel on JDM designed body...

by the way...case in point, Canadian Speed3 owners who sell there rims in this board...if you are asking the $1600, $1000 or etc price for rims...

i dont see how these STOCK OEM RIMS can match to these and they are in the same price range...

so tell me, is the price of these rims really justified to $1000? when they are just 18X7.5??

vs this example:

http://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103972

. 18x8.5 SSR Comps, gunmetal with a polished lip - $1100
- 5x100 with a +48 offset
- 3 in very good condition, one has a little bit of curb rash
- wrapped in very sticky Pirelli Corsa tires (~30% tread left)
- lightweight (~16lbs) and strong
- missing one center cap

yeah wrong bolt pattern...common this board is acting a fool for asking that much for an OEM rim!

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-tires-rims-18X8-WHEELS-AND-TIRES-GET-READY-FOR-SUMMER-W0QQAdIdZ37849546
You could always pay $1500 for these Rx8 wheels with 10,000km on them if you prefer.

The ms3 is assembled in Japan, the mps has the same wheels, explain to me how they are usdm? You are having a classic temper tantrum, get over it. your arguments make no sense... if you want to buy from the US then get on with it

[azn_outlaw]

If I remember right our very own mod

here said even that was too much

quit callin this a temper tantrium and think of this way...I am concerned forum memeber quesiton about pricing....

but i believe in fair treatment and prices.....

explain where does this thread not make any sense, there are valid examples, its in english

sorry buddy you aint gonna yet another bulley Mazdaspeed3 owner on this board who thinks they are better then me just cause you got a turbo and overpaid for your car

so you think everyone else should overpay for the OEM parts in which come from your Mazdaspeed3

[MPS]

dude its simple don't like the price move on

get it from USA no 1 here cares where you shop
we are not vendors there just privet sales lol
when i posted my MS3 rims for a crazy price it was done for fun i never ment to sell them
but they did and now i miss them

[3GFX]

As a whole, parts for our cars (MS or MZ) are very expensive. Compare our market and the amount of parts out there to lets say the Civic. Not cool. Mazda's kinda suffer in the aftermarket.

As for prices, its hit or miss. I sold my 17" rims for $300, I've seen em go in the states for a lot more. So really it changes. I think the larger market in the US proves to have many benifits to prices. The tuning market is so much larger.


Having said that, this isn't a suggestion (for the board/club).....moved.

[b]

I don't get involved in many things on the board but I am going to have to say that I see azn_outlaws side on this matter. I agree he, we or anyone doesn't have to pay the price you ask... but it does make me laugh when I see the FS sections with parts that are 2x what they should be priced at.

Speaking of such... I have a cannondale mtn bike I paid 3g's for new... Anyone want to buy it for 5g's used?

[3GFX]

Ok good summary...+1

[Unoriginalusername]

I think if tires have 0kms on them then it is unfair to expect someone to sell them for half of what they cost new. Get off your sense of entitlement high chair and buy from the US if that is what you want to do, end of story.

[RedRaptor]

I can't believe I missed this thread. Yeah the MS3 guys (not all, just a few mofos) definately drive around in pairs. You gotta love the classic used MS3 MS CAI for $300 or the $1600 OEM rims and tires. For those "used" prices, you're almost better off talking to Joe.

The worse part about this isn't so much the prices. As others have mentioned, if you don't like the prices, then move on. Its the attitude these few MS3 guys bring. You question their pricing and they talked down to you like you don't know anything. Even start flaming you and calling you for being a whinning arsehat.

Lose the attitude MS3 dudes...the world doesn't evolve around you because you have a turbo under your hood.

[RedRaptor]

I think if tires have 0kms on them then it is unfair to expect someone to sell them for half of what they cost new. Get off your sense of entitlement high chair and buy from the US if that is what you want to do, end of story.

WRONG. It doesn't matter if they have 0km on them. The fact that they were mounted on the car means they are now in "used" condition. So asking retail pricing on them is just highway "naobbery".

Thats like saying buying a brand new car, storing it for a few years and then selling it for retail price saying its "Brand New". Sorry mang, we all know once parts are mounted or a car is driven off the dealership lot, it is now considered "Used".

But its obvious that you don't get that concept as there is a obvious reason why your CAI hasn't sold yet even after 10+ bumps.

[azn_outlaw]

http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-tires-rims-18X8-WHEELS-AND-TIRES-GET-READY-FOR-SUMMER-W0QQAdIdZ37849546
You could always pay $1500 for these Rx8 wheels with 10,000km on them if you prefer.

The ms3 is assembled in Japan, the mps has the same wheels, explain to me how they are usdm? You are having a classic temper tantrum, get over it. your arguments make no sense... if you want to buy from the US then get on with it

But Unoriginalusername, do you remember what you said here:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22660

even you said they are too much, so still care explain the MS3 18 inch rim $1600

when even you said "that is a fair bit for for tires with 10,000km on them... i think 1000-1300 would be more reasonable then 1500 asking price"

Hummmmmm....Got Contraditction

/ End Thread...

[Unoriginalusername]

I can't believe I missed this thread. Yeah the MS3 guys (not all, just a few mofos) definately drive around in pairs. You gotta love the classic used MS3 MS CAI for $300 or the $1600 OEM rims and tires. For those "used" prices, you're almost better off talking to Joe.

The worse part about this isn't so much the prices. As others have mentioned, if you don't like the prices, then move on. Its the attitude these few MS3 guys bring. You question their pricing and they talked down to you like you don't know anything. Even start flaming you and calling you for being a whinning arsehat.

Lose the attitude MS3 dudes...the world doesn't evolve around you because you have a turbo under your hood.

That CAI you mention cost $420 new and has had a price drop since and is still a long ways below cost of a new one... I am going to enjoy listening to you all moan when you sell or trade in your car for less then 10-12k, and the first post I make will be that a fair price based on US used cars is $6-8k and given the dollar is par that is what you should sell for


But Unoriginalusername, do you remember what you said here:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22660
even you said they are too much, so still care explain the MS3 18 inch rim $1600
when even you said "that is a fair bit for for tires with 10,000km on them... i think 1000-1300 would be more reasonable then 1500 asking price"

Hummmmmm....Got Contraditction
/ End Thread...

Supply and demand, 1200 is what i said based on the availability of RX8 wheels and given they have 10,000km on them... not a contradiciton at all

[ShortBus]

screw jacked up prices in canada, i bought my winter tires (x-ice) and alloy rims in the states for almost half the price of what it cost me here (about the same price if i got steelies and some cheap winter tires here).

[mleblond]

Wow...so much hate! Speed 3 is the best Mazda 3 don't hate, upgrade :) (That's what I did)

Basically everyone here is a shopper and you always want the best price. Hell, the less you pay, the more stuff you can put in your car or elsewhere (RRSP's or anything you want). All I can say is that most private sellers mention OBO. If your interested talk and deal.

States is good for some deals but not always! Being close to the border it's easy to have it shipped to a ups depot and pick it up and try to get through customs without paying any taxes :P

[S.F.W.]

ok folks, please keep discussion on topic. Further personal attacks will not be tolerated.

[Zaku_4]

the biggest reason for the price difference is canadas 19% (i think) import tax.

[chinsterr]

I have to agree with a lot of the posts here , you MS3 guys really jack the price up on your stock parts.

[Unoriginalusername]

I have to agree with a lot of the posts here , you MS3 guys really jack the price up on your stock parts.

If people didn't buy things then people would sell things

[dj_chinaman2097]

Almost everything is more expensive in Canada. I kept contemplating buying from the US and picking up in Niagara Falls, but I don't have the time, even on weekends, to go on road trip.

You just gotta look around for deals. If a price is too high then let it go. Keep looking around until you see it at the price you want.

FYI, at the dealership I was given the cost of $1700 for a set of the 17" Mx-5 10-spoke rims + $500 for the stock tires. The MS3 rims are $1600 + whatever for the tires. So $1600 isn't too bad for "lightly used" MS3 rims AND tires.

And if I put up my set of "lightly used" Rx-8 rims for $1000 (what I paid) do you think it's too expensive considering it's $500+ per rim at the dealership, and how hard it is to find the rims second hand? Plus you gotta get a set of tires which will be $600+ for 225/40/18.

[RallyPlaya]

Well so Far Ive had no problems with the Mazda speed guys. I actually got an amazing deal from Rezxpert on a Mazda speed stock exhaust. I Love the exhaust and Joseph's is a great guy to deal with. & if u believe the Mazda speed accessories they sell are too pricey just dont buy them. I know my financial limits and when i see something over it i just move on.

[Jeff-TheBiz]

I know my financial limits and when i see something over it i just move on.

smartest thing said in this thread.

[Unoriginalusername]

smartest thing said in this thread.

Lets end it on a high note :chuckle :lock

[FLIPDADY]

"meh dont worry its my last year driving a Mazda"

Vlad, that's what you said last year!:chuckle

Shop wherever you want, a lot of prices went down to reflect U.S. pricing. Just remember if you have an issue for warranty it won't be covered up here.

So yeah you're saving some cash buying over there but think about after sales service. Threads like this don't phase me one bit since I have customers from the states that buy from me all the time.

Don't assume all prices in the states are cheaper than up here. I deal with exporters everyday who ship parts overseas to Russia and at least 80% of the time my prices are cheaper than what they would pay south of the border.

Bottom line it's up to you where you want to buy your stuff.

Nuff said.

[azn_outlaw]

Okay after some researc this is my last time to try and help everyone here

too all those who had posted...thank you for your replies but I wanted to acknowledge

yes if you dont have the cash then I should or no one should try to buy it or its a freeworld so a playa can by there ish anywhere the want...

but the point of the thread was to say, I want to buy it here but yet it so hella expensive just for rims in which are unfairly priced....

to backup my point....and after some research, this is why I made this thread..

I would totally understand that 1500+ for Mazdaspeed rims would fair price that is there was not a piece of technology is missing from the rims themselves

so after hearing unoriginalusernames, constant beating of how the car hear in Canada is rare and that we overpay for the speed3 then our American neighbours...

but what he failed to justify is one small option...and that is the TPMS system

I only gave up the argument because i had thought I had belived that fine maybe he is right to ask because the ALL Mazdaspeed3's come with TPMS

but soon discovered that NOPE...Not the Canadian edition, as with the Missing Navi in which I wanted so much but that is another topic....

So this is why this is here...

are we getting fair prices....I totally believe that with speed3 owners of Canada NO WE ARE NOT...Fight me all you want but I am just stating my opinion..

why should we pay for 1600 OEM/STOCK/COMMON rims WITHOUT THE TPMS!

and I saw that puts this whole club to shame and makes SOME Speed3 owners compleltely OWN and really take advantage of us..

While on other Canadian boards, I was finding that Mazdaspeed3 rims can be found in Vancouver for 950 and below....

I was like damn, I should just ship from BC to here....and memebers are totally cool with helping or to make things fair..


so Hi and welcome to TM3, home of excellent GTA members, great Dealership/OEM support and home to the famous and rare NON TPMS mounted Speed3 rims which can be yours for $1600 because the car is again rare and that we overpaid from our US owners so they decide that its worth that as much as a Volk or SSR Rim...

so to recap

GTA:
we pay on this board $1500+ for an OEM speed3 and tire combo without the TPMS

Vancouver:

Mazdaspeed3 rims FS:

Wheels : 18x7
Offset : 52mm
Tires : 215/45/18 Bridgestone Potenza RE050
Tires have about 4000km of wear. Currently, the wheels are still on my car but the tires are in storage.

Asking $850

and

you can go onto a US board and find an OEM Speed3 rim without tires w/ TPMS for

$500 w/o shipping but I am only illustrating a point:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=105103.0


as quoted from a a VP of another board, never be affraid to speak your mind...

and all i am doing is that....

enjoy the 08 Summer season TM3 and thanks for reading

[Unoriginalusername]

TPMS wouldn't do anything on your car anyways... so you understand my point it seems, we pay 31,000 for a speed3 with cloth seats, no tmps, and no sat nav for what 26k buys you in the US. So your point is you want a system that a lot of US members hate that won't do anything on your car? Got it

I think it is ridiculas that you regular three owners are selling your cars for higher then what can be found in the US but I don't need to ramble on and on, and on about it :chuckle

[Cardinal Fang]

I've stayed out of this until now. Do I think the Speed3 owners are selling their products at a higher price then what it should be worth? Yes, I do.

Do I blame them for this? No, not really. The market determines the price. And if there are people willing to pay their price then then I guess that's great for both parties.

But they aren't getting my money. And that in the end is the only thing that matters to me.

[Unoriginalusername]

I've stayed out of this until now. Do I think the Speed3 owners are selling their products at a higher price then what it should be worth? Yes, I do.

Do I blame them for this? No, not really. The market determines the price. And if there are people willing to pay their price then then I guess that's great for both parties.

But they aren't getting my money. And that in the end is the only thing that matters to me.

exactly it is a free choice

[mogul_pro]

why should we pay for 1600 OEM/STOCK/COMMON rims WITHOUT THE TPMS!



Ya I DONT get that at all.. "RIPpppppppp Off!" lol.. I got my (AWSOME) Ankei RS+m's brand new mind you, with a set of brand new bfg g-force kdw's mounted and balanced, shipped and taxed for 1566$... Better rim than the ms3 oem's yup.. better tires.. yup.. but hey its a free country and people can charge what they want.. its the buyers that have to "beware"...

On the same breath, some guys (obviously not me) might have a hard-on for the oem ms3 rims, but when I was looking at rims/tires for the summer, I saw what the ms3 ones were going for on here, and what i could get at places like tire rack, and to me it was a no brainer. Guys with MS3s can practicly sell there oem's and get brand new (better) rims/tires for literally a few bucks more than they sell there oem ones. But hey.. people always post that the "WTB" them and ppl successfully sell them all the time so, obviously not all agree.

Just my $0.02

[mogul_pro]

Vancouver:

Mazdaspeed3 rims FS:

Wheels : 18x7
Offset : 52mm
Tires : 215/45/18 Bridgestone Potenza RE050
Tires have about 4000km of wear. Currently, the wheels are still on my car but the tires are in storage.

Asking $850

and

you can go onto a US board and find an OEM Speed3 rim without tires w/ TPMS for

$500 w/o shipping but I am only illustrating a point:

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=105103.0


as quoted from a a VP of another board, never be affraid to speak your mind...

and all i am doing is that....

enjoy the 08 Summer season TM3 and thanks for reading


Got that right.. much more like it..

[Kevin@nextmod]

dude its simple don't like the price move on

I agree with this



I can't believe I missed this thread. Yeah the MS3 guys (not all, just a few mofos) definately drive around in pairs. You gotta love the classic used MS3 MS CAI for $300 or the $1600 OEM rims and tires. For those "used" prices, you're almost better off talking to Joe.

The worse part about this isn't so much the prices. As others have mentioned, if you don't like the prices, then move on. Its the attitude these few MS3 guys bring. You question their pricing and they talked down to you like you don't know anything. Even start flaming you and calling you for being a whinning arsehat.

Lose the attitude MS3 dudes...the world doesn't evolve around you because you have a turbo under your hood.
But i agree with this more

And this is more resonable
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=23236

[chinsterr]

I think it is ridiculas that you regular three owners are selling your cars for higher then what can be found in the US but I don't need to ramble on and on, and on about it :chuckle

That's funny, because you seem to be rambling on and on about other things.

If Azn outlaw hates the prices over here, then just let him be. I don't believe you have sold your wheels for $1600 or any stock parts off your car for that matter, so his posts do not apply to you. Why do you always have to retaliate and initiate another argument?

Stop looking for an argument and be part of the solution.

[Unoriginalusername]

That's funny, because you seem to be rambling on and on about other things.

If Azn outlaw hates the prices over here, then just let him be. I don't believe you have sold your wheels for $1600 or any stock parts off your car for that matter, so his posts do not apply to you. Why do you always have to retaliate and initiate another argument?

Stop looking for an argument and be part of the solution.

I've sold a forge bpv for 160, and an ms3 ms cai for 250 which i think are very fair prices. my wheels and tires will go on sale for 1200 obo probally in a months time :chuckle

[chinsterr]

I've sold a forge bpv for 160, and an ms3 ms cai for 250 which i think are very fair prices. my wheels and tires will go on sale for 1200 obo probally in a months time :chuckle

Stock parts ... you know, the ones that come with your car when you purchase it from the dealer.

I think azn outlaw is referring to the high prices on stock MS3 wheels/sway bars/exhaust. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[mit-gee-mui]

Stock parts ... you know, the ones that come with your car when you purchase it from the dealer.

I think azn outlaw is referring to the high prices on stock MS3 wheels/sway bars/exhaust. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You are right about that.



Just like there are 3 topics that tend to generate a lot of discussion i.e. "sex", "religion", and "politics", I guess we can add "prices" to the list as a 4th. Toes will be stepped on.

[SpeedBaby]

azn_outlaw, thank you so very much for your research. turns out you can be resourceful and useful at times.

as for you thread, i've said it multiple times before, and yet again you don't seem to be able to accept the fact that any open and 'fair' marketplace is rulled by the law of supply and demand. if i am offering a product and there are ppl out there that are moran willing to pay a certain price, should i really tell them 'NO! I won't take your money'?! Would you?

It's not like i've ever asked more than the actual cost of the item, in fact thanks to some members on this beautiful forum, I had to take a significant financial hit, but you don't see me starting threads about it.

i appreciate your right for an opinion and i realize that you have a strong need to express it, that's what we're all here for. but for a change, try to listen to what other ppl have to say sometimes as well.

[Unoriginalusername]

Stock parts ... you know, the ones that come with your car when you purchase it from the dealer.

I think azn outlaw is referring to the high prices on stock MS3 wheels/sway bars/exhaust. Correct me if I'm wrong.

no i know :chuckle look i am not on the 1600 boat either, all i am saying is you and every member on this board got screwed by the fixed rate pricing mazda uses and paid more for your car in canada then you would in the us so comparing us prices to cnd prices and overlooking shipping and the boarder fees isn't really a fair comparision but like others said buyers have the dollars and dictate the prices

[SpeedBaby]

Stock parts ... you know, the ones that come with your car when you purchase it from the dealer.

I think azn outlaw is referring to the high prices on stock MS3 wheels/sway bars/exhaust. Correct me if I'm wrong.

if he likes the prices of those parts from the dealer better, then all the best to him in his purchase lol

[chinsterr]

It's not like i've ever asked more than the actual cost of the item, in fact thanks to some members on this beautiful forum, I had to take a significant financial hit, but you don't see me starting threads about it.



Yup, so have I . In fact, I don't think there is a single sale that I have made on TM3 where I actually received my asking price.

[mogul_pro]

Yup, so have I . In fact, I don't think there is a single sale that I have made on TM3 where I actually received my asking price.

No one does. That is why people ask for more than they are willing to take.

And I think everyone (myself included) has had sales where people post comments. But its a public forum and in my opinion people have the right to post warnings or comments IF they are justified.

For example, I sold some sway bars a few months ago and someone warned that they might not fit a certain model, and recently I made a comment about how a guy selling some banged up lips(i guess u would call them) for a car might need more than just paint and primer as advertised by the seller. Having repaired damage like that before, I know first hand they would need more work than that but regardless my post was deleted, but so was the person that made on comment on my page. I think people that make JUSTIFIED comments on the for sale section, just keep sellers honest and keep them from taking advantage of others.
Mods do a pretty good job (seems like the best they can at least) considering they do it for nothing (unless there is some compensation I don’t know about). And know where they are coming from since I mod a different forum and make the same exact calls just as often.

anyways...

/end blabbering.

[MPS]

some mods do get compensation for this

[S.F.W.]

some mods do get compensation for this
not on this board. Unless you want to tell me something I don't know..

[Unoriginalusername]

some mods do get compensation for this

I get $0.50 everytime i say repost or lol :chuckle

[mogul_pro]

not on this board. Unless you want to tell me something I don't know..

I guess they are behind on your payments eh? lol... :chuckle

[MPS]

If you want to get technical about this, there are at least two ppl on the admin team (not pointing fingers, but it’s Jeff and Joe) who have been constantly using the forum for marketing and promotion of the items they sell as part of their full time job. In fact Joe has been using the classified section to sell off the MoT parts overstock meanwhile I do not recall him or MoT being a sponsor on the board.

:pop

[SpeedBaby]

now let's see how long will it take to lock this thread

:pop

[mit-gee-mui]

I don't know if this helps, but they are an affiliate dealership, just not a sponsor.

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=22297

[MPS]

there is other dealers offering discounts
but when they try to promote they get canned

:pop

[Cardinal Fang]

there is other dealers offering discounts
but when they try to promote they get canned



Where? Show me where other dealers have had their posts censored. That's a pretty serious accusation you are making.

[MPS]

Prima Mazda

[S.F.W.]

as MGM said we have affiliate dealerships. MoT is one of those dealerships. Other dealers(Prima) often come on, and offer "great" or "the best" deals on cars. In regards to parts, Joe is authorized to sell what he likes as an affiliate. Instead of MoT paying a sponsorship fee, they offer a discount on parts and service.
If anyone has questions about the affiliate dealer program or MoT's involvement, feel free to contact me offline.

[midnightfxgt]

nm.... I took to long to reply :p

[Cardinal Fang]

Prima Mazda

Show me the context and where it was. You made the accusation now give me the context in which it happened and what happened? I and many others would like to see if for ourselves if it is indeed true.

[midnightfxgt]

now let's see how long will it take to lock this thread


I dont understand your negativity all the time. Look below, it was explained and not locked without explanation. Ami even offered to take the time to explain it offline to anyone who didnt understand the Affiliate Dealership Program.

In all fairness, even if they did lock it, it would be justified as you guys took this way off topic.

-John

[MPS]

i dont feel like serching for it
but its about bying a new mazda

[midnightfxgt]

i dont feel like serching for it
but its about bying a new mazda

LOL.... yeah, so now that we all understand the MoT Affiliate program, should we get back on topic? I think its important that people understand that Jeff/Joe (or any other admins) make profit from their duties. Sure, the guys who work for a dealership may see increased business from the forums, its not a result of their duties.... its all seperate.

[SpeedBaby]

I dont understand your negativity all the time. Look below, it was explained and not locked without explanation. Ami even offered to take the time to explain it offline to anyone who didnt understand the Affiliate Dealership Program.

In all fairness, even if they did lock it, it would be justified as you guys took this way off topic.

-John

Do you want me to explain my negativity in more detail?! cuz i can! lol

last night my thread got locked ofter i have asked for the mod team to answer a question. in all fairness it did get reopened, but i did have to pm the mods.

just so that i don't get too far off topic here i'd rather not go into deap details, but i do constantly get a feeling of biased administration of this forum, but this is strictly IMO.

anyways, back on topic: mazdaspeed owners charge too much in their FS threads...or something along these lines.

[Cardinal Fang]

i dont feel like serching for it
but its about bying a new mazda

That's being lazy. You come here and make a serious accusation and then you don't want to back it up. All you're doing is dropping hints and allowing unsubstantiated remarks to tarnish the reputation of this board.

You in fact are inferring that this board censors posts from competing dealers or people who post about competing dealers. I want to see this for myself.

[midnightfxgt]

last night my thread got locked ofter i have asked for the mod team to answer a question. in all fairness it did get reopened, but i did have to pm the mods.

Not everyone is perfect... the thread was reopened, and you were told someone would look into it. Hell, you said yourself you were too lazy to search out the info. I wouldnt call it unbiased either.

[SpeedBaby]

well if YOU want to see, then do a search...but then again, as far as i remember, you have been contributing to shutting down Prima's threads yourself :D

[Cardinal Fang]

well if YOU want to see, then do a search...

MPS made the accusation and it's up to him to prove it. You can't make accusations without proof.



but then again, as far as i remember, you have been contributing to shutting down Prima's threads yourself :D

I've contributed to shutting down Prima's threads? :loco Now this I've got to see for myself.


It's obvious SpeedBaby that despite what you may have others believe, you do in fact have an axe to grind and your motive are less than honorable.

[Swerny]

I've stayed out of this until now. Do I think the Speed3 owners are selling their products at a higher price then what it should be worth? Yes, I do.

Do I blame them for this? No, not really. The market determines the price. And if there are people willing to pay their price then then I guess that's great for both parties.

But they aren't getting my money. And that in the end is the only thing that matters to me.

I agree with this.

I think it's madness that people are allegedly getting $1600 for used MS3 rims and rubber they aren't even that nice a wheel IMHO.

However, market dictates the price. If something is priced too high, it won't sell. It's basic economics, simple supply and demand.

I have no doubt that the reason the many MS3 rims are even being sold here is because people who have them see the price they are selling for and say to themselves "heck for that price I'll sell mine too".

Azn Outlaw, quit your whining about pricing. If you don't like the price, move on.

If you can't afford the asking price or don't want to pay the asking price, move on or make an offer, negotiate, see if you can get it for a lower price.

If the price is too high, nobody will buy them. But apparently people are buying them since they are being sold.

You have found other deals, go buy from them and deal with the hassle of shipping and the increased possibility of getting scammed.

Personally, I will keep looking for "deals" both on and off this board.

If I find a great deal here or elsewhere, I'll pull the trigger.

[SpeedBaby]

i need my email server back up, or i'll end up causing too much shit around here lol

cardi, i was reffering to this thread (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=112590&postcount=2) in particular, but seriously, i don't see why you're getting all worked up.

[FLIPDADY]

If you want to get technical about this, there are at least two ppl on the admin team (not pointing fingers, but it’s Jeff and Joe) who have been constantly using the forum for marketing and promotion of the items they sell as part of their full time job. In fact Joe has been using the classified section to sell off the MoT parts overstock meanwhile I do not recall him or MoT being a sponsor on the board.

:pop

You know you're always right Vlad. The only reason I'm here is to make money. I don't help anyone out at all. *sarcasm*

Are you acting this way because I refuse to sell anyhting to you? No wait your blacklisted at pretty much every Mazda dealer now.

[Cardinal Fang]

i need my email server back up, or i'll end up causing too much shit around here lol

cardi, i was reffering to this thread (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=112590&postcount=2) in particular, but seriously, i don't see why you're getting all worked up.

Explain to me how I was shutting down a Prima Mazda thread in that post? If you accuse me of doing something unethical SpeedBaby I do have the right to defend myself don't I?

[MPS]

thanks cookie
i know there was 1 more i was involved under some presure from a certan person

[SpeedBaby]

Joe, no one ever said that this the only reason, but the whole point yet again is that this forum's moderation is highly selective and is beneficial to some members' business while negatively affecting others. that's all..

[MPS]

dude i dont care about OEM mazda parts ur not the only dealer giving discount
Westown will also discount service :)
Agincourt mazda
Markham
and manny more
and as far as my warranty its not over yet
there is laws that will protect ppl like me



You know you're always right Vlad. The only reason I'm here is to make money.

Are you acting this way because I refuse to sell anyhting to you? No wait your blacklisted at pretty much every Mazda dealer now.

[mit-gee-mui]

If you see gas for 69.9, would you want to tell everyone that there is a gas station that is charging that price to help them out? Or would you sit back and watch and even giggle as people a block away or a town away fill up at say 130.6 for example?

This thread was started to just let people know that if they want cheap parts, there are places that they can be bought, and that their hard earned money can be put to other things such as a mortgage or car payments.:) Yes, if you can afford to pay a lot more for the same thing and/or if you want it badly enough, that's fine (I do it all the time, not for car parts though!), but for those that are a bit more strapped for cash, there is hope out there.



I may or may not have explained this right.



Oh, and yes, this board tends to say MOT this, MOT that, but that is because they have shown our members exceptional service and great deals for parts. I am sure that they also get a lot of customers by word of mouth (including, but definitely not limited to us). If something is good, people are definitely going to be biased towards it and spread the word. Yes, dealerships with a general "good" reputation may have hiccups here and there, but mistakes are made. Nobody is perfect. Why should we expect others to be perfect then? Yes, it is nice and it is professional, but sometimes a bad apple ruins the bunch.

[SpeedBaby]

Explain to me how I was shutting down a Prima Mazda thread in that post? If you accuse me of doing something unethical SpeedBaby I do have the right to defend myself don't I?

i would never go as far as calling ANYTHING you do or say unethical...even whatever is going on between you and broli.

and you can certaily defend yourself, eventhough i never really intended to accuse you of anything. it was really intended more like a joke, sorry if it came out too personal...

[SpeedBaby]

If you see gas for 69.9, would you want to tell everyone that there is a gas station that is charging that price to help them out? Or would you sit back and watch and even giggle as people a block away or a town away fill up at say 130.6 for example?

This thread was started to just let people know that if they want cheap parts, there are places that they can be bought, and that their hard earned money can be put to other things such as a mortgage or car payments.:) Yes, if you can afford to pay a lot more for the same thing and/or if you want it badly enough, that's fine (I do it all the time, not for car parts though!), but for those that are a bit more strapped for cash, there is hope out there.



I may or may not have explained this right.

you got a very good point here, but in fact this thread was started as a rant about a group of members charging a certain level of pricing. the information about the cheaper deals was added later.

[RedRaptor]

Vlad and Tammy. Honestly its coming close to the point where as a club and forum, we want to tell you both that "You're Not Welcomed" here anymore. All you two do is stir up sh!t on the forums and apparently at every Mazda dealership. Then you come off trying to play the victim as if you are both innocent. There is a reason why certain things happen you or why you are both treated a certain way. I'm tired of reading posts with you two whinning about this and that.

Yes this board is MoT dominated. But in all fairness, they've been here since Day #1 whereas other dealership do not have a strong representation. I am not a MoT fan boy. I don't service my car there and my car was bought at Mazda of Brampton. However, I do appreciate what Joe has done for this forum Even if he is selling overstocked parts in the F/S forums, who cares? He's not charging $1600 for used OEM rims and tires but instead offering them for a blowout price which benefits the end user.

[Cardinal Fang]

Joe, no one ever said that this the only reason, but the whole point yet again is that this forum's moderation is highly selective and is beneficial to some members' business while negatively affecting others. that's all..

Really?

I guess MPS was also involved in shutting down Prima Mazda threads:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=170842&postcount=9

I don't recall you telling him that there was anything wrong with it at the time. I think the word hypocrite comes to mind.

[SpeedBaby]

Vlad and Tammy. Honestly its coming close to the point where as a club and forum, we want to tell you both that "You're Not Welcomed" here anymore.

RR, I personally came to the same point regarding your inputs around here a while ago, but hey we all make an effort to co-exist around here.


PS: the name is actually Tamara if you do want to start calling me by name.

[midnightfxgt]

^^^^ HAHAHHAHAHAHAAA!

Yup, no one will disagree the forums are MoT Dominated, but like RedRaptor said, its with reason. They have gone above and beyond and have a GREAT reputation. Joe's prices on parts are damn hard to beat. My best friend is a Parts guy at Agincourt, and can hardly beat the pricing sometimes! lol

Instead of accusing ppl of making money off the forums, maybe those people should thank them for the hard work they do.

-John

[Cardinal Fang]

I'd personally like to thank Joe at MoT but I'm afraid I'm too busy shutting down other dealer's threads.

</Dripping with sarcasm>

[MZ3_GS]

Talk about ****ing thread warpage. This board is messed up now.

Who cares if joe blow is selling their wheels for 1600 dollars let it be, why do you need to comment? Do you stand in front of store A to tell people not to shop there cause store B has a better price? Really...

FS Threads should be locked for view only after initial post.

[MPS]

thanks Cardi you did my job :)
i was used as a puppet that time :blush



Really?

I guess MPS was also involved in shutting down Prima Mazda threads:

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=170842&postcount=9

I don't recall you telling him that there was anything wrong with it at the time. I think the word hypocrite comes to mind.

[MPS]

i dont have a problem with MOT i recomend ppl there all the time
why not they give good deals

this is all Amis fault :gone

all i did was answer a question and now its war :flaming

the point is that MODS do get laid
END RANT

:pop

[Cardinal Fang]

You're a class act MPS. No wonder you are so well liked. :bang

[MPS]

what no more love for me CF
i want my slippers back there under ur bed on ur wifes side

:gone

[RedRaptor]

You're a class act MPS. No wonder you are so well liked. :bang

Grow up MPS. The most valuable and important thing in your life isn't your decked out MS3 or your $5000 stereo system in it. I can tell you its your girlfriend/wife Speedbaby.

[MPS]

RR this is for you buddy

[Cardinal Fang]

That was really stupid MPS.

[WLS ZMZM]

I think it is safe to say this has really got out of hand.. it has turned from making a point about unfair prices to becoming a flame thread about certain individuals. Im sorry azn_outlaw that you feel the prices are unfair... but you mentione the cost of gs-r blades and SiR rims..during their peak they were way over priced but people wanted them so it stayed that way.. can you call that a rip off? No... because people demanded it.. are some peoples prices unfair or high.. maybe so.. but that's not your problem... it's been said a few times.... "DON'T LIKE IT MOVE ON!!!" there's no point whining about it. I don't see the point of throwing mud back and forth at one another. It doesn't get anything accomplished... this board is supposed to be more mature... at least I thought it was. This is a perfect example of how a screen and a keyboard give people a set of e-balls where they can shoot their mouth off

As for MoT... how can you say Joe and Jeff get kickbacks..?? what kind of kickback is there when Joe gives you a major discount?? why cuz he moved more pieces?? bottom line here is Joe and Jeff both look out for the mbrs of this board, whether it be with helping a car get serviced or getting you a good deal on parts... It's not fair to hang them out to dry. The only kickback I can see Jeff getting is maybe a few free coffees from people who come to visit him... I really think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion and I thnk everyone needs to take a step back... relax and stop acting so childish

[azn_outlaw]

Okay and as a final note....

Those who kept on calling me a whiner, STOP IT...NOW...

I was just to be informative and just speak my mind, hence how this thread was created...

if you actually read my post and there is information

how can I be bitching about anything or whine...never do i or will i ever whine about anything

I am just a concerned person, again concerned and need clarification on something...

as I see it, the people who have defending or constantly fighting me mainly those who think I am useless or a whiner...are the whiner themselves...

I spoke mind my, it called an opinion and or suggestion look it up in the dictionary some time...

before you call me whiner or some who is complaning...where was I complaning in the frist place

This thread was a simple analyzation, with well gathered facts and simple comparissions

what more do you want, a pie chart in which the relation to the supply and demand of Used OEM Mazdaspeed3 ?

do you want to as well forecast prices for the 08 Summer season in relation to OEM Used Mazdaspeed3 vs Mazda3 ?

how about some Market research for Used OEM Mazdaspeed3 used parts? then do the same for Mazda3 parts? then gather data and compare them to lets say dealership parts?

get where I am going, I did the research and shared my findings, nope I am not crying or bitching or whining....so AGAIN STOP CALLIN ME THAT


dont front me with this fake bs that I am whiner....and to those who called me that go fly a kite....i know who I am and so do many others but whiner I am never and will ever be

[Swerny]

You say you're not whining yet that's all you're doing.

[S.F.W.]

ok, enough is enough , locked.