AP Install & Tuning

[REZXPERT]

can't recall if i'm regurgitating an old thread but is there a preferred tuner in the GTA that has experience w/ the AccessPORT, its different maps, etc? one tuner that comes to mind is Magnus Motorsports in Concord from what i've heard.

rrrreally gettin jacked for AP:bana

[Unoriginalusername]

This wait is wore then christmas when you're five

[Fobio]

I'm not here to poo-poo anyone's plans...but does anyone ACTUALLY have a game plan in place regarding the install? I persoanlly do not know any Subie's, so no experience what-so-effin-ever with the AP...it just kinda dawned on me last night that I'll be owing Pat $1000 soon...

Anyway...I figure, you guys may know enough to point the way to a tuner in GTA or NY state...I figure, lotsa ppl will have ideas about mounting the AP (I might use a windshield suction arm for now)...and I'm sure lotsa ppl messed around with their friends' Subie, etc...fingers crossed...

Then I also got thinking about the whole tuning thing...should I dyno before...then SRI, dyno again...then AP, dyno again? I'm kinda tired of my personal "seat-of-the-pants" only experience with modding, but I also don't want to spend too much time doing dyno's and install and dyno...

Maybe I should read a Subie FAQ or something...

The anticipation, is always so anti-climatic...

[Fobio]

This is why we're so cool...lol...

http://urbanracer.com/articles/anmviewer.asp?a=3128&z=3

[Unoriginalusername]

the whole point of maps is that you don't need a custom tune until you get a wack of mods outside the base staged maps

[07Speedfreak]

the whole point of maps is that you don't need a custom tune until you get a wack of mods outside the base staged maps

exactly

You guys are stressing for nothing

[Fobio]

the whole point of maps is that you don't need a custom tune until you get a wack of mods outside the base staged maps

This is where it gets a little fuzzy for me...so pardon my ignorance...I understand that with the AP, the supplied maps will take care of listed Cobb-tested mods...great, cuz I don't plan on doing much other than the easy stuff anyway...but wouldn't every car benefit froma custom tune if available? And the AP makes that easier too right?

My current understanding is that the AP will likely take care 90% of my needs, esp with modest COBB-tested mods...after that, I'm wondering if it's wise/necessary to visit a tuner to get a better tune/map due to every car's idiosyncracies...

[Fobio]

exactly

You guys are stressing for nothing

that's all part of the fun for me...let me take my medication and I'll get over my episodic OCD about modding the car...:chuckle or I could just go for a drive...

[Unoriginalusername]

This is where it gets a little fuzzy for me...so pardon my ignorance...I understand that with the AP, the supplied maps will take care of listed Cobb-tested mods...great, cuz I don't plan on doing much other than the easy stuff anyway...but wouldn't every car benefit froma custom tune if available? And the AP makes that easier too right?

My current understanding is that the AP will likely take care 90% of my needs, esp with modest COBB-tested mods...after that, I'm wondering if it's wise/necessary to visit a tuner to get a better tune/map due to every car's idiosyncracies...


http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=100754.0



New Products

COBB AccessPORT

Projected Release
Late March it will be in Beta. Final end-user release is scheduled for mid April.

Pricing
Not yet set

Pre-orders, Deposits, Lists
At this time we are not making any lists, taking deposits, or doing any types of pre-orders. Once we get information to the dealers they may, but that is something you will have to take up with them and they may make their own announcement on the forms, etc.

Projected Features
Improve horsepower, torque, and fuel economy at the touch of a button.
Display vehicle data such as boost, RPM, temperatures and more while you drive.
Easy installation, no mechanical or computer skills necessary.
Connects to your vehicle via the OBD-II port conveniently located under your dash.
Easy-to-read color display.
Update over the Internet to stay up-to-date with the latest features.
Not a "piggyback". Once vehicle's computer has been programmed by the AccessPORT, it can be removed and the settings will stay on your computer.
Not just an "ECU reflash" - AccessPORT features enhancements such as on-the-fly mode switching, data monitors, reading DTCs, performance monitors, boost cuts, boost reduction for speed and gears, fuel cuts, RPM limits, throttle body behavior, corrections, in addition to the normal functions like fueling, timing, and boost.
The AccessPORT downloads the actual map that was on it. If you are taking your car to the dealership and suspect that they will attempt to update your mapping, then you will have to unmarry it, take it in and have them flash it, then remarry your AccessPORT. This will allow your stock map loaded on your AccessPORT to be the latest factory revision.
Once the AccessPORT is married to the car only the AccessPORT can flash it. To allow the dealer to flash your car as normal you will have to unmarry the AccessPORT from your car.
The ODB II dataloging is not locked. Any device that reads the OBD II data can still function properly.
Only planned for the MazdaSpeed3 at this time.
Maps made by AccessTUNER Pro facilities can be shared, however the mapping can only be viewed by that AccessTUNER, not the end user nor another AccessTUNER.
Pre-calibrated to maximize performance of stock or modified vehicles*
Can be custom tailored to your vehicle by our extensive network of professional tuners**

* For modifications we have done calibrations for, not for every combo of parts
** May not be on initial release

Requested Features (we will try to work in at release or as an update later)
MazdaSpeed intake compatibility for our Stage 1 & 2 Maps
LC & FFS
Higher gas mileage map (Mileage gains TBA)
Tire size calibrations

Power Gains
Not released yet
Features of each map to be specified later
We will see if we can make the throttle go to 11. Not just make 10 more opener, because 11 is more. :) One of the things in the testing regimen is the throttle body behavior. At release we will note exactly when it goes to 11.

COBB Off-the-shelf Calibrations Included at Initial Release (are only programmed for the modifications listed)
Stage 1 (Completely stock)
Stage 1 + COBB Intake (COBB SF Intake only, otherwise stock)
Stage 2 (Turbo-back exhaust only, otherwise stock)
Stage 2 + COBB Intake (Turbo-back exhaust and COBB SF Intake, otherwise stock)
Stage 2 + FMIC (Turbo-back exhaust and COBB FMIC, otherwise stock)
Stage 2 + COBB SF Intake + FMIC (turbo-back exhaust, COBB SF Intake, and COBB FMIC, otherwise stock
Valet Mode
Anti-theft Mode

Custom Tuning
AccessTUNER Pro (Professional Tuning Software) – Date not released yet
AccessTUNER Race (End-User Tuning Software for Race Teams, equivalent feature wise to what used to be referred to as AccessPORT StreetTUNER, is intended for race teams intending to tune one vehicle) – Date not released yet
AcccesTUNER Race maps can be shared with other users that have AccessTUNER Race enabled AccessPORTs.

Repair/Replace/Stolen/Totaled Car Scenarios
Dies/Busted
Send it in, we repair it, charge you if it was not a warranty issue (something like your dog ate it), and we send it back out.
AccessPORT is Stolen
You have to send us a copy of a police or insurance report that states that the AccessPORT was stolen. You may have to send us the ECU so that we can get the marriage info off of it. We marry a new AccessPORT to it (or un-marry your ECU) and send them back. We charge for the AccessPORT hardware ($300) which should be being paid to you by your insurance company.
Car is Totaled and You Could Not Un-marry the AccessPORT
You have to send us a copy of a police or insurance report that states that your car was totaled. You send us in the AccessPORT, we un-marry it (we do charge a small fee for this as it takes time), and send it back. This way it can be married to your new car or sold and another person will be able to use it. If you do not have a police report or insurance paperwork that states that the AccessPORT was stolen then you have to pay for another license ($395).
You Purchased an AccessPORT from Someone on eBay and it is Married
Assuming you are not able to contact the seller, you have to send us the AccessPORT and we un-marry it. However, as well as the labor fee we charge you for the license ($395) since the old one is still out there making another car super fast.

[Fobio]

Thanks James...I've read all of that enough times, but I guess nothing beats first hand experience...thanks for putting up with my antsy rants...hope your finger heal soon!

[Unoriginalusername]

Thanks James...I've read all of that enough times, but I guess nothing beats first hand experience...thanks for putting up with my antsy rants...hope your finger heal soon!

np. ap maps should cover most people, and members will eventually be uploading their own maps that can be installed which might help with your slightly different mods.

a custom tune comes into play when you get the atp turbo, inlet pipe, exhaust manifold, fuel pump etc. and need some tuning done to make it all work

[REZXPERT]

Thanks James...I've read all of that enough times, but I guess nothing beats first hand experience...thanks for putting up with my antsy rants...hope your finger heal soon!

edit button o/t?:chuckle

[WhiteSpeed3]

i know a guy that did the install on his subaru i'll ask how its done

[brecker]

np. ap maps should cover most people, and members will eventually be uploading their own maps that can be installed which might help with your slightly different mods.

a custom tune comes into play when you get the atp turbo, inlet pipe, exhaust manifold, fuel pump etc. and need some tuning done to make it all work

What people are overlooking is you WILL benefit with a custome tune depending on what you are trying to acheive. You will be able to squeeze more power out of the car (stock as example) using a custome tune VS COBB's standard map because COBB tunes fairly generic with a good safety buffer built in. But a custom tune will yield better gains depending on how confortable you are messing with that safety buffer etc.. Plus, each car may run a little different etc, etc..

[Unoriginalusername]

What people are overlooking is you WILL benefit with a custome tune depending on what you are trying to acheive. You will be able to squeeze more power out of the car (stock as example) using a custome tune VS COBB's standard map because COBB tunes fairly generic with a good safety buffer built in. But a custom tune will yield better gains depending on how confortable you are messing with that safety buffer etc.. Plus, each car may run a little different etc, etc..

true true

[CanadaGTO]

What people are overlooking is you WILL benefit with a custome tune depending on what you are trying to acheive. You will be able to squeeze more power out of the car (stock as example) using a custome tune VS COBB's standard map because COBB tunes fairly generic with a good safety buffer built in. But a custom tune will yield better gains depending on how confortable you are messing with that safety buffer etc.. Plus, each car may run a little different etc, etc..

And if you add Sunoco 94 Octane gas and something like water/meth injection you'll be able to tune even more power out...

[Fobio]

What people are overlooking is you WILL benefit with a custome tune depending on what you are trying to acheive. You will be able to squeeze more power out of the car (stock as example) using a custome tune VS COBB's standard map because COBB tunes fairly generic with a good safety buffer built in. But a custom tune will yield better gains depending on how confortable you are messing with that safety buffer etc.. Plus, each car may run a little different etc, etc..

before this gets to a cobb vs all others romp I just wanted to point out that the above is what I was getting at, but WITH the AP in mind...so let's say I get to stage 2, and I wanna push it a little farther beyond the prescribed maps, who should I go to? Who would you guys recommend as a Cobb-approved tuner? Any experience with Subie tunes with the AP?

[CanadaGTO]

before this gets to a cobb vs all others romp I just wanted to point out that the above is what I was getting at, but WITH the AP in mind...so let's say I get to stage 2, and I wanna push it a little farther beyond the prescribed maps, who should I go to? Who would you guys recommend as a Cobb-approved tuner? Any experience with Subie tunes with the AP?

I've talked to some of our Subie customers and though I can't remember off the top of my head the name of the shop, there is a place in Buffalo that is supposedly THE place to go to for people in this area.

[REZXPERT]

I've talked to some of our Subie customers and though I can't remember off the top of my head the name of the shop, there is a place in Buffalo that is supposedly THE place to go to for people in this area.

..... Ultra 94 gift cards, courtesy of CTA:chuckle

[theurgy]

Not sure if this was mentioned but from the Cobb Site:

Neetronics
AccessTUNER
559 Speers Rd. Unit 4
Oakville, ON
CANADA
(416) 848-0653 Phone