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with[lost]in
08-04-2008, 03:52 PM
I recently had the worst experience imaginable for a first time new car buyer After that experience, I made it my point that people must hear my story. The point of the story is STAY AWAY from Downtown Mazda; they are dishonest and will treat you like nothing the second you sign! If you want to know why, continue reading…

So my girlfriend and I were in the market for a new car and we test drove about 8 somewhat comparable cars; out of which the Mazda 3 GT with Luxury package stood out. We went to one dealer near our work and got a quote and decided to check another dealer that was closer to where we live before we commit. The original dealer was willing to give us $1300 off the MRSP; the next one supposedly gave us a 1500 discount. Since we were indifferent between the 2 dealers, we went with the one with the best discount (it was also nearer to our place) and boy did we make a mistake.

We inked the deal and everything was fine until I went home and decided to look over the contract again. I realized that the dealer inflated his prices so it appeared we were getting a much bigger discount than we really were. I was curious as to why they quoted us a price of 546.78 (60month term) when the online price was only 536 and the other dealer was 541. The different between the other dealer and the online price was because Window edging was not included, however I did not understand how the dealer got 546.78. We were shopping based on discount as we assumed all MRSP prices would be the same. We went back the next business day and asked for an explanation as they could have included other options. The bottom line they gave us was” Too bad, you signed the contract, nothing you can do about it! You cannot cancel!” I was furious. All I wanted was an explanation to the price difference and for them to come up with the same quote they gave me. Instead they belittled and bullied us. They couldn’t even come up with the same quote that they had given us (546.78) on the same computer, nor did their match the price they had written on the commitment to buy. I wanted to speak to the GM but he was busy so we had to make an appointment for two days later. We were prepared to cancel if the GM did not apologize and give us a good explanation. The day came and not only did they NOT call to confirm the appointment like they said they would but he outright refused to speak to us. When he saw us, he did not acknowledge us and instead sent the salesman to talk to us instead. He claimed that he saw no reason to talk to us and that he had other business to take care of. Then the sales guy said that they couldn’t find the car and had to guts to sell us on a different colour. The GM walks over asked us to reconsider it for another day. All the while pretending nothing had happened. We told him that we were cancelling and went home to write a formal letter to cancel the next day. In the meantime I had called OMVIC and they said that I should give the letter in person since we were going back to get our deposit anyway. It made sense so that’s we did. After work we went there to give them the letter. Now they claimed that they found the car; I was in disbelief as how a dealer can jerk us around like that without any penalty. Of course at this point we told him that we are cancelling no matter what, we had a right to. The GM refused to accept the letter and said that he lived up to his end and that we must take delivery. He basically denied everything about not being able to find the car. Then we told him we are sick of this BS and wants to cancel and we don’t care if we lose the deposit. He said that’s fine so long as we write him a letter stating so. We immediately wrote a letter on the spot. Once again he refused it and said that we had to write it in the format that he wanted. We did just that and we’d asked him to signed to acknowledge that he’d received it (Because without written proof, he could have said anything) He refused and instead said that he must consult with his lawyers. This all happened in the Showroom with customers around. He made us talk to him standing outside his office! Talk about complete lack of Customer Service.
Because he wouldn’t sign it, we left with the letters and called OMVIC the next day. I faxed them all the letters that we had wrote to cancel (A total of 5). OMVIC proceeded to cancel the deal. OMVIC said that they can only claim up to the deposit amount if they have evidence that they incurred expenses related to the car. Not to my surprise, the Dealer still claim expense of $1000 in the 1 short day that they claimed they found the car. Which is total BS. Nonetheless I rather lose the deposit then get the car from them, who know what kind of car they’re going to give us!! Apparently they also gave OMVIC the wrong VIN # of the car. I’m not surprise if they’d done that on purpose as they probably don’t have the car!
At the beginning we felt bad for the salesman as he said he might get fire if we press this on further but all sympathy were lost when he outright denied everything at the end when we wanted to cancel; claiming he never gave us the wrong quote and never said we could cancel! The GM Paul Lambroise and the Sales Managers, Andrew Poon and the Salesman should all be fire! They had every opportunity to mitigate and resolve the issue at every stage but yet they didn’t. They don’t seem to see or care that not only did they lose any future maintenance that we would have done at their dealer but all future sales from our friends, friends of friends and every person that we will meet in the future. They were willing to screw a customer for $500 bucks and lose thousands of dollars from future sales! Where is the business logic in that? This experience has left us bitterly and utterly disgusted with sales practice at Downtown Mazda.
We had email Mazda Canada and it’s been 3 weeks without a response. Another disappointment…

Scotticus
08-04-2008, 03:59 PM
Whoh.... That's a nightmare story. Sorry to hear about it! But at least you got out of it now, before something major could have broken down on the car. THe business doesn't sound too reliable.

You should fight to get your deposit back somehow (although I admit I'm unfamiliar with these matters, and don't know if that's possible).

Again, that's a rough story. But thanks for the warning.

Mazda3X2
08-04-2008, 04:09 PM
Sorry to hear about your experience. It's unreal that in todays information age that a business can get away with treating people like that! It's good to see you warn people about this incident and I hope it costs them many sales in the future. I also hope there is a way for you to get your deposit back. Don't let something like this make you shy away from Mazda all together, there are good dealers out there if you read around these forums I think you'll find one.

Shameless plug for Jeff aka "The Bizz". I just made a deal with him at Mazda of Toronto over the phone on a Mazdaspeed 3 a few days ago. He has been great and came highly recommended.

dsichewski
08-04-2008, 04:09 PM
WoW! Thats horrible! Sorry you had to go through that....I would suggest calling Jeff aka TheBiz. He will definatly take care of you and show you the respect that you deserve! I live over an hour + away from the dealership and I still bought from Jeff!

Mazda3X2
08-04-2008, 04:22 PM
Same here. We are about 175 km's away.


WoW! Thats horrible! Sorry you had to go through that....I would suggest calling Jeff aka TheBiz. He will definatly take care of you and show you the respect that you deserve! I live over an hour + away from the dealership and I still bought from Jeff!

Slipstream
08-05-2008, 12:10 AM
^^ these guys talk tell of the truth..biz will treat you right

deedotpee
08-06-2008, 08:58 PM
if they had the wrong vin # or left it blank, wouldn't that void the contract? i was in a similar situation with another dealer and luckily i was able to get my deposit back because they spelt my parent's name wrong

with[lost]in
08-06-2008, 10:13 PM
Thats what I thought, however its not the case, so long as they wrote in the contract what you're buying, it still legit. No VIN# just indicates that they are looking for the car for you or placing an order for you. Thanks for the help though. I'm looking at ways to get my deposit back so any other suggestions would be great!

shootemup
08-07-2008, 12:05 AM
You know, if you give The Biz a call, he would probably be able to make a deal that would still beat their price, even if you added your lost deposit onto Jeff's price...

Too bad you did not find this board sooner and researed this topic as there are many referals for Jeff and he himself, tells you the tricks that some dealers try to convince you that you got a better deal, even though the numbers are different elsewhere in the contract. But for future shopping, always look at the bottom number. Even if they say they are giving you x number of dollars off, it's all on the bottom line.

DumpInfo
08-07-2008, 01:14 AM
I'm stunned just reading that. Talk about worst experience ever wtf where they thinking? A posting like this can reach thousands of people on the internet and there goes that dealership. Thanks for pointing out the location I'll be sure to spread the word around. Once again talk to 'TheBiz' as others have stated this guy should have his own fanclub -- see whether you can get that deposit back and good luck. What a shitty experience holy sh!et! :flaming

Speedy2008
08-07-2008, 01:45 AM
I feel your pain. I also had a very bad experience at this place and it has been well documented in a few threads. It's too bad GM Paul LaFramboise & Andrew Poon still work there. They seem to be good at making a lot of people unhappy. Mazda Canada is very unhelpful in these types of situations so be prepared for some continued frustration and resistance. Reconciliation is not part of their customer relations philosophy.

Let us know how it goes.

Fobio
08-07-2008, 02:00 AM
Downtown Mazda is pretty much the model "BAD MAZDA DEALERSHIP"...bad sales + bad service = bad management...the fact that Mazda Canada does nothing about this makes me a little upset...

06Touring3
08-07-2008, 10:39 AM
That is angering just to READ...I can't even imagine how I would have reacted if it were me.

Hope it all works out man

5_Alive
08-07-2008, 12:41 PM
You can have the car plated, and delivered.. You don't drive off the lot with it, its still their car. Plain and simple. You could turn around and say "Hey, I don't like the way it looks in the sun, take it back", and they have no choice.

You walk in and demand for your deposit, or threaten to call the police; that is theft and by no means are they allowed to hold your deposit for ANY reason other than intended. The deposit will also be either credited back to you, or put towards the cost of the car.

Call a good lawyer, they will contact the dealership and let them know what is happening is unacceptable. If you are not reimbursed, full legal action will be taken and OMVIC will become involved as a full third-party in the situation.
They will return your money very quickly, believe me.

YOU haven't taken delivery of ANY car. You could sign on everything you want, and at any time, you have the right to back out for any reason, it doesn't matter. You can say I might be losing my job and don't want this to interfere right now in my life. They simply hand back the money, and you walk away.
That contract is not legally binding until you have full delivery and you have driven off the lot.

As for Mazda Canada, they can go **** themselves. To be honest, they are worse than GM. I've never dealt with a company that is so horrid when it comes to needing an issue resolved.
They are all about the "zoom-zoom" my ass, more like the "ching-ching" than anything. I've had a dealing with corporate. I swear the guy wanted to job through the phone I went from professional to just plain mean and rude on the phone to the point I told him he wondered why his wife was cheating on him. He didn't answer any of my questions, so I started ranting to him, but make sure you don't swear!!

Good luck with the situation and very sorry to hear about the problem you've had with this.
Like everyone has said, talk to the Biz, or call up Ajax Mazda and speak to Brad or Andrew Twigg..

*lol---- Andrew Poon.. hahahaha!!

shootemup
08-07-2008, 05:33 PM
^^^ Umm... nice language :loco

And as for the contract, once you sign you are locked in (it is a legally binding document). From what I understand, the only way you can break it is if the dealer does not deliver you the car you ordered. If you pick a colour and then on the delivery day, you don't like the way it looks... too bad. Especially if it is plated, because they have already registered the car with the MTO in your name, based on your contract.

2005mazda3
08-07-2008, 08:15 PM
i agree with all of you. downtown mazda is the worst dealer. i bought my car there 3 yrs ago. not r good experience. when i got my car there was 200km on it. i asked them why? they told me it was normal so i didn't do anything. when i got home that day i asked my friends they said this is not right. the car maybe driven by somebody as test drive demo. i called them the next day to speak to the GM. he didn't give r SH..T. he said i sign the doc already to bad.... :flaming JUST STAY AWAY FROM DOWNTOWN MAZDA

with[lost]in
08-07-2008, 10:50 PM
Thank you for all your responses. I thought that was the case too 5 Alive but unfortunately its not. Smooth is right and I've confirmed that with different agencies. Nonetheless, this is a case of small guy against the big guys and for someone who can't afford lawyers its very difficult to fight back (or else I definitely sue them for all they got).

I've got an update for those interested. OMVIC called and said that the dealer was willing to return a little more than half the deposit. This was great news though I think I should be getting the full amount. Ultimately I accepted. OMVIC said that they had legitimate proof of the costs associated to the sale. If I had the money and time I would definitely not had accepted and made them return the full amount. It is sad that throughout this whole process no apologies were made, nothing was done to prevent this from happening again and they still took about half our deposit...I don't understand how this dealership can survive from that kind of service or should I say non-service.

BTW I did buy the Mazda 3 but was seriously contemplating otherwise. Luckily Mazda had built themselves a great car. If only their services/support was as good. I hope sharing this experience will prevent this from happening to anyone else. Thanks again for reading and replying to my post.

5_Alive
08-08-2008, 04:13 AM
^^^ Umm... nice language :loco

Yea, my bad.. I'm used to TOprotege having the auto-edit feature. Didn't realize the system this site uses doesn't have that, and I cannot edit my posts yet.. Sorry bout' that..

BOT, glad you got things somewhat resolved. As for the "contract", its funny how down here when I worked at Windsor Mazda a few years ago during the summer as a shuttle driver, people had bought cars. They came in, and funny that it is mentioned, the guy and his wife saw the colour, and said take it back, no way, its ugly. Sure enough, they took it back.
You don't legally have to take delivery of the car if its not what you want or were not expecting. You cannot be binded to buy something you don't like. Dealers will always put it in writing on the "contract", or bill of sale as its known, that depending, and based on customer satisfaction and agreement when the vehicle arrives, that is when the choice will be made 100%. If they bring the car in, and its not what you like, they do what it takes to get you happy and the car you want.
Its plain and simple Downtown Mazda is jacked.

KenYork
08-09-2008, 12:22 PM
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BTW I did buy the Mazda 3 but was seriously contemplating otherwise. Luckily Mazda had built themselves a great car. If only their services/support was as good. I hope sharing this experience will prevent this from happening to anyone else. Thanks again for reading and replying to my post.

I think we are their service/support team. The people who drive their cars.

bbc20000
08-17-2008, 11:03 PM
in;325672']Thats what I thought, however its not the case, so long as they wrote in the contract what you're buying, it still legit. No VIN# just indicates that they are looking for the car for you or placing an order for you. Thanks for the help though. I'm looking at ways to get my deposit back so any other suggestions would be great!

just tell them that you will sue them in small claims court. if you cannot do that.there is always arbitration.