PPE Exam

[fini]

Hey guys [and gals :)]

I was just wondering if anyone on here has written their PPE and have some last minute pointers for me. I've got mine tomorrow and I think I'm ready but could always do with some friendly advice if you've already done it.

If not... then... wish me luck!!!! :bana

[She_Prime]

What kind of test? Like for workplace safety? I've done one but it was Nursing related.

[fini]

It's an exam that Engineers need to take before they are granted their professional license.

One of a bunch of hoops that we need to jump through before they give us the nice rubber stamp >_o

we aren't supposed to play with the stamps... but i'm gonna give one right to my forehead... Shhhh!!! don't tell anyone though. they might take my license away!

[She_Prime]

Ick that sounds like fun.

So what exactly do you have to do? Maybe talking about it will get your confidence up.

[fini]

Haha.. that's actually one of the most likely questions on the exam.
List 5 of the requirements to qualify.

- You need to have an undergraduate engineering degree from an accredited university in canada.
- need 4 years of experience, one of which must be directly under a licensed engineer.
- must pass the PPE Exam!!! <-- Eeeep!
- canadian citizen
- must be 18 years of age (how you can get your undergrad and 4 years of expereince and less than 18 years old... my hats off to that person)
- must be of good character

the exam will only cover law and ethics. i think i'm good on the law part, but i am prone to take bribes.... not sure i'll pass the ethics portion...

i basically have everything and am short of about 2 1/2 years of experience...
at the end i'll get a piece of paper and a rubber stamp!

Oh yeah, and I hear that nurses really like engineers too...
Not sure if it's true or not though...what do you think? :chuckle

[STeeLy]

Oh yeah, and I hear that nurses really like engineers too...
Not sure if it's true or not though...what do you think? :chuckle
Not contributing anything here... but you can ask our resident nurse She_Prime... ahaha

[sp3GT]

It's 4 years of experience? I thought it was 3, what discipline are you in?

[She_Prime]

Not contributing anything here... but you can ask our resident nurse She_Prime... ahaha

Ask and you shall receive.... :chuckle



Haha.. that's actually one of the most likely questions on the exam.
List 5 of the requirements to qualify.

- You need to have an undergraduate engineering degree from an accredited university in canada.
- need 4 years of experience, one of which must be directly under a licensed engineer.
- must pass the PPE Exam!!! <-- Eeeep!
- canadian citizen
- must be 18 years of age (how you can get your undergrad and 4 years of expereince and less than 18 years old... my hats off to that person)
- must be of good character

the exam will only cover law and ethics. i think i'm good on the law part, but i am prone to take bribes.... not sure i'll pass the ethics portion...

i basically have everything and am short of about 2 1/2 years of experience...
at the end i'll get a piece of paper and a rubber stamp!

Oh yeah, and I hear that nurses really like engineers too...
Not sure if it's true or not though...what do you think? :chuckle

Nursing students love engineer students. We are basically the only two programs in Uni (other than Accounting) that you actually know you'll have a job in the long run.

All in all, Nursing students are whores and engineering ones are the proud recipients. We have no spare time, so might as well brush up on our anatomy homework in the meantime.

[fini]

Not contributing anything here... but you can ask our resident nurse She_Prime... ahaha

haha.. i intended to direct the question to her since she mentioned she is a nurse.



It's 4 years of experience? I thought it was 3, what discipline are you in?

4 years is required regardless of discipline for the P.Eng license. That may have been a change from way back when, but it's been this way for at least the last 10 years.

[fini]

Nursing students love engineer students. We are basically the only two programs in Uni (other than Accounting) that you actually know you'll have a job in the long run.

All in all, Nursing students are whores and engineering ones are the proud recipients. We have no spare time, so might as well brush up on our anatomy homework in the meantime.

Haha...... that's so funny! good answer good answer.

I may be a lot of things by association with the title.
bad speeling and ungood grammur
big nerd.. BIG NERDY Star Trek fan.
but maybe not so much a "proud recipient" I'm still a gentleman. At least I think so.

And on that note... I say goodnight! Must get a good rest for the big day tomorrow!
Thanks for helping me de-stress! :)

[STeeLy]

4 years is required regardless of discipline for the P.Eng license. That may have been a change from way back when, but it's been this way for at least the last 10 years.
Internship or Co-op will count towards the 4 years experience... that may be why he was thinking only 3 because it was possible he did internship/co-op

[She_Prime]

Haha...... that's so funny! good answer good answer.

I may be a lot of things by association with the title.
bad speeling and ungood grammur
big nerd.. BIG NERDY Star Trek fan.
but maybe not so much a "proud recipient" I'm still a gentleman. At least I think so.

And on that note... I say goodnight! Must get a good rest for the big day tomorrow!
Thanks for helping me de-stress! :)

Well that's good. You're one of the few. All I know is the Nurses get invited to the Engineering parties and the Engineers invite the Nurses to their parties. Each program too is predominantly male and female so it just works.

[STeeLy]

^^ Maybe I should start seeking out those Engineering Parties and hunt for nursing students... and yes I am in engineering..

[She_Prime]

^^ Maybe I should start seeking out those Engineering Parties and hunt for nursing students... and yes I am in engineering..

Again ask and you shall receive... lol:chuckle

[STeeLy]

Again ask and you shall receive... lol:chuckle
It wouldn't help me if u know them... unless they're in Ottawa, I won't be able to make them.......

[She_Prime]

It wouldn't help me if u know them... unless they're in Ottawa, I won't be able to make them.......

Then go get on the U of Ottawa Nursing girls...

Literally....

[fini]

Woo ! Party time!
I'm too tame for party time now... Though I was never really that much of a party animal.

I do propose coffee time after I finish this exam though. I still haven't celebrated the fact that I quit my job!!!! O yeah.. and that I found a new one too of course.

Last minute cramming here I come!

[little_wheelz]

I wrote mine a few years back...

I seem to remember that there are only a few different types of Law questions (tort, equitable estopple (sp?), some thing on contract law) If you read the law book you will be fine.

For ethics they give you the reg. so you can find most of the answers there.... but if you don't know it it will slow you down.

There is always a definition question..like define 5 of the following 8 terms.

my biggest problem was i hadn't written an exam in 3-4 yrs and 3hrs of writing was tiring!

It is not that tough, you will do fine! plus it is pass/fail so 50% is the same as 90%

GL

[Mike]

Did mine in the summer. Was pretty painful to go back to studying and writing exams after 6 years.
The only advice is to do old exams. 90% of the questions in the exams are repeats from old exams (word for word) So find old exams with answers and read them over and you'll be set. Good luck.
Next step is to write the experience report. It's pretty hard to find the motivation to do it. I'll have to get on it eventually.
Oh the sh*t we do to get a rubber stamp...

[fini]

Ahhhhhhh!!!!
There was one question on the law part that I had no idea what to write... Good thing I think I did well enough to get more than 50% on that section.. haha. I am relatively certain I passed the ethics part no problems.

I'm kind of confused how to write the experience report. I was looking through the PEO website and couldn't really find a template or anything or how the yearly experience submission procedure worked. Maybe I need to look for a contact so that I can email someone to ask....

Hopefully there isn't too much more difficult steps in getting the license. Proving experience is hard too. :(

[Aceius]

Wow...PPE...lol...I wrote mine last year, wasn't too bad except for those wonderful cases. I was told 3 years experience though i'm going for my C.E.T cert. along with the tech report. Hope everything went well for you.

[fini]

The required experience was changed to 4 years in like '98 or '99 i can't remember which.

Before that it was 2 or 3 i think.

[openuser]

Nursing students love engineer students.

Really? Since when did anyone like engineering students? :chuckle
Actually, when DO you see them walking around?
To my knowledge, if one spots a person seemingly lost with blank looks on his face on the streets, it must be an engineering student.
Some say they never see sunlight during the school months, and are blocked out of society under the mountains of work.
This explains why they may look very lost.. as daylights and all had been buried in distant hazy memories..



(Sadly though.... I am one)

[She_Prime]

Really? Since when did anyone like engineering students? :chuckle
Actually, when DO you see them walking around?
To my knowledge, if one spots a person seemingly lost with blank looks on his face on the streets, it must be an engineering student.
Some say they never see sunlight during the school months, and are blocked out of society under the mountains of work.
This explains why they may look very lost.. as daylights and all had been buried in distant hazy memories..



(Sadly though.... I am one)

That's why Nursing students love Engineers. We both have massive workloads, your program is predominantly male, ours predominantly female, and we both have kickass careers at the end of it.

[openuser]

Hmmmmmm Is that so!? (Starts looking at maps to look for nursing school around)


Anyway, PPE is something I would need to do in near future.. Though I still have about year to get my Iron Ring :P

So are you P.E. yet?
Mr Professional Engineer :)

[rktsci]

How funny...a couple of my colleagues wrote the PPE on Saturday too.

I wrote it back in 05 so its been a while.


Ahhhhhhh!!!!
I'm kind of confused how to write the experience report. I was looking through the PEO website and couldn't really find a template or anything or how the yearly experience submission procedure worked. Maybe I need to look for a contact so that I can email someone to ask....

Hopefully there isn't too much more difficult steps in getting the license. Proving experience is hard too. :(

PM me with your email address and I can send you a useful PEO Experience Form template to use!

[fini]

Hmmmmmm Is that so!? (Starts looking at maps to look for nursing school around)


Anyway, PPE is something I would need to do in near future.. Though I still have about year to get my Iron Ring :P

So are you P.E. yet?
Mr Professional Engineer :)

haha... i'm not a P.Eng yet. still have about 2 1/2 years to go to complete my experience requirements. and then have it reviewed.

i'm also thinking about doing the exams to get US state licenses....

I remember back in school, I had a set of 3 exams, by the end of it my friend in arts and science saw me and said "Oh my god! you look like a ghost!" apparently i was really pale looking...i hadn't slept in 3 days cramming for those exams.. lol

So how about we throw an engineering / nursing party then? :chuckle

[STeeLy]

So how about we throw an engineering / nursing party then? :chuckle

If I'm in Toronto, I'm down.

[openuser]

Awsome! Tomorrow is my last exam!
Apparently the prof expects us to memorize the entire textbook word for word including Appendices.
I'd understand if it's for something like lifescience course, but for Real time operating system course? WTF is he smoking? I wish the prof would light up his crotch so we all can kick him in the nuts like STeeLy's sig. By the way I haven't been outside for 4 days now! It feels great :p

Anyway, engineering / nursing party FTW!!

[sauga_kid]

PM me with your email address and I can send you a useful PEO Experience Form template to use!

Mind if I get a copy as well? Need to fill out my paper work :chuckle



i'm also thinking about doing the exams to get US state licenses....


If you're looking at getting your license in the states, I'd advise to write the California one as it is the the most difficult and it sets the bar for the states (meaning if you can pass it you should be able to pass all other states). I wrote the first half and passed, but man, 8hrs for half of my license, dayum! I write the PPE in April.

[She_Prime]

So how about we throw an engineering / nursing party then? :chuckle

Sounds good to me. I'll go round up the girls :)

[Go_Habs_Go]

see?!! this IS an on-line dating web-site :chuckle

[She_Prime]

see?!! this IS an on-line dating web-site :chuckle

Not for me anymore. I'm happily taken!

On topic though: when do you get your results?

[fini]

haha.. all this talk of partying really makes me wanna go crazy!
At least I'll have a going away party in my honour on Thursday :) I quit maaaaa joooob!!!

Results take a long time... about 2 months just to know if I pass or failed.


Not for me anymore. I'm happily taken!

On topic though: when do you get your results?

If you have nursing friends who are happy but untaken, make sure to mention i'm an engineer! >_o

[rktsci]

Mind if I get a copy as well? Need to fill out my paper work :chuckle

.

No prob...PM me with your email address and I will send it out to you.

[LockOut]

I'd be in for the Eng/Nursing party... Downtown TO is always a great place to party :-P

[007]

So many memories came back reading this post:pop
Went through the whole process for Quebec and Ontario.

In quebec, it's 2 years. But the process is a tad different.
For Ontario, it's 4 years.
Basically, one can't use the "Engineer" designation unless he meets the following:
- education requirement (bacc degree)
- has demonstrated 4 years of supervised engineering experience (you have to submit your experience record to POE, and it has to be signed by P.Eng.'s)
- has passed the PEO ethic/law exam
- and has met the other requirements, such as citizenship, language, etc.

The fact that one has a ring does not mean that the person is designated as an engineer. Basically, the ring is an indication that one has graduated from an accredited engineering school, which is just the beginning.

One can be brought to court and be fined for the illegal use of the "Engineer" designation. Microsoft Canada lost against l'Ordre des Ingénieurs du Québec for the illegal use of the Engineer designation. Remember when everyone from Nortel or Microsoft were calling themselves Program Engineer, Software Engineer, etc.

Once one has successfully met all the above, he receives his P.Eng. designation (license), and stamp.
Stamping a drawing or engineering report means you will be responsible for that work for life. So, that's pretty serious. Mistakes are no longer allowed.

Anyway, good luck with the Exam. All the best.
A long career is ahead of you. All the baby boomers are leaving work, which is just good for us:bana

[MistaChin]

Seeing as how i'm writing the PPE tomorrow, i thought i'd bring this thread back!

[fini]

Seeing as how i'm writing the PPE tomorrow, i thought i'd bring this thread back!

good luck! can't believe a whole year has passed by.
did you take the prep course?
after the prep course, the exam will seem super easy.

oh yeah... and i passed! hahaha...

now. about this eng/nursing party.....????

[MistaChin]

good luck! can't believe a whole year has passed by.
did you take the prep course?
after the prep course, the exam will seem super easy.

oh yeah... and i passed! hahaha...

now. about this eng/nursing party.....????

Nope, no prep course was taken. Just puuuuuure studying.

Good god i'm getting kinda scared and anxious =S

[fini]

Nope, no prep course was taken. Just puuuuuure studying.

Good god i'm getting kinda scared and anxious =S

don't worry! you'll be fine!
remember when in doubt, the answer is 'B'... even though there are no multiple choice questions.

[rktsci]

Nope, no prep course was taken. Just puuuuuure studying.

Good god i'm getting kinda scared and anxious =S

Don't be...it's pretty straight forward. If you've looked at past exams you should have noticed a trend in the questions and answers and their repetition.

[MistaChin]

It's just that scared feeling even though I know a bunch of the stuff.

fundamental breach doctrine, exemption clause, equitable estoppel blah blah blah. I just want to write this and be done with it then smoke a big cannon right after LOL

[BoostieMonster]

A word of advice.....you might leave the place thinking "WTF I could have failed it".....do not worry, unless you left most answers blank or wrote in a different language they are just looking to see if you have a general grasp of the material. I left thinking it could have gone either way, problem is they make you stress for like a month to wait for the results......GOOD LUCK!!!

Some actual sound advice:

For Ethics: When in doubt write "he/she has an obligation to the public as paramount and as such should not do....."

For Law: When in doubt, if you don't remember the case exactly, or the name of the case, just describe what you remember (ie. the key facts of the case were..... leave out names if you don't remember them but they just want to see that you remembered the outcome.

[MistaChin]

lol those are some pretty good tips. Public welfare is always paramount is such a key point.

Ok last minute study session tonight!

[chinsterr]

Took a course on "Law for Professional Engineers" at school last semester. Apparently the text book for my course is the same one as the PPE Exam ... dry read , really dry.

GLuck Justin !

[MistaChin]

shit i got butt raped on the part in the ethics section that deals with PEO policies and crap like that. This was shit I never even know so I just wrote down BS. Everything else was straight forward.


And now the waiting game!

[sp3GT]

Took a course on "Law for Professional Engineers" at school last semester. Apparently the text book for my course is the same one as the PPE Exam ... dry read , really dry.

GLuck Justin !

I'm taking "Ethics for Engineers" next sem. Looks like it's going to be fun lol

[sauga_kid]

I wrote on Saturday as well! The exam fell in line with previous ones (at least the ones that I had to study from). Here's fingers crossed to everyone who wrote this time around! Hey MistaChin, I'm assuming you wrote at UofT, what room were you in? Man the wait for the results is going to kill me.

[whodaman]

Where do most of you guys (and ladies) work? right now i am working for mechanical engineering consulting company specializing in building systems...i am desperately looking for something else!! and if anyone has anyone has those experience templates please PM me so i can get cracking on those!! cheers

[Reegs]

Wow there's a lot more Engineers on this forum than I thought. I finished the Engineering portion of my Engineering & Mgt degree last year (Including Law & Ethics...wow that was definitely a dry course). Finishing up the business this year.

I've heard you can write the exam right after school to get it over with, then finish your experience for your P.Eng. Is that true?

Also, if anyone knows anyone who needs a Junior Mechanical Engineer with a couple of years experience....It'd much appreciated....I'm part time only nights finishing these management courses!

[MistaChin]

I wrote on Saturday as well! The exam fell in line with previous ones (at least the ones that I had to study from). Here's fingers crossed to everyone who wrote this time around! Hey MistaChin, I'm assuming you wrote at UofT, what room were you in? Man the wait for the results is going to kill me.

Hey man i did write at UofT. I was in room 320 at the front right corner of the room. I usually sit in the front corner because then I can't see anyone during the test. It's a real let down when you don't know the answer to questions and you look around and you see everyone writing their hearts out. This was my seating position for 100% of exams in my undergrad lol


Where do most of you guys (and ladies) work? right now i am working for mechanical engineering consulting company specializing in building systems...i am desperately looking for something else!! and if anyone has anyone has those experience templates please PM me so i can get cracking on those!! cheers

I'm at AECOM in Whitby. Perfect for me since I live on the Scarborough - Pickering border :)

[sp3GT]

I've heard you can write the exam right after school to get it over with, then finish your experience for your P.Eng. Is that true?


Really? I didn't know that, if someone could confirm that be great.

I'm currently looking for an internship....

[MistaChin]

Really? I didn't know that, if someone could confirm that be great.

I'm currently looking for an internship....

Yeah you could write it before gaining the 4 years of experience. That's what I did. Assuming I passed the exam, I need to get 2.5 more years of experience for that stamp.

[rktsci]

Yeah you could write it before gaining the 4 years of experience. That's what I did. Assuming I passed the exam, I need to get 2.5 more years of experience for that stamp.

As long as you've applied for your license then you're eligible to write the exam. It's probably best to write it before you've accumulated your experience so that you can submit for your review once the 4 years is up instead of having to wait for the next exam sitting.

[Aceius]

Seneca has a course strictly dealing with the PPE exam, the whole semester was getting ready for it and writing it as was our final exam. Also since Seneca is CTAB certified all I have left to do is 2 years of experience...1 left now...

[Reegs]

Seneca has a course strictly dealing with the PPE exam, the whole semester was getting ready for it and writing it as was our final exam. Also since Seneca is CTAB certified all I have left to do is 2 years of experience...1 left now...

Cool, if you don't mind me asking, can you tell me how much this course was?

[Aceius]

Cool, if you don't mind me asking, can you tell me how much this course was?

Couldn't tell ya, it was part of my engineering program...

[sauga_kid]

Does anybody who wrote on December 12th 2009, remember when results are sent out?

[MistaChin]

Does anybody who wrote on December 12th 2009, remember when results are sent out?

Not sure about the date, but I think it's approximately 45 days after the exam. Should be any day/week now. *crosses fingers*

[sauga_kid]

Doh, forget it, I found it, Feb. 16th is the mail out date...I'm with you on *fingers crossed*

[BoostieMonster]

Good luck guys!!

[fini]

Oh crap!
This reminded me that I have to submit my experience ........

When the time comes, I'm gonna rubber stamp my forehead. APPROVED!

[BoostieMonster]

Oh crap!
This reminded me that I have to submit my experience ........

When the time comes, I'm gonna rubber stamp my forehead. APPROVED!

I wrote mine in August and still haven't done the experience resume LOL

[fini]

I wrote mine in August and still haven't done the experience resume LOL

in my annual review my boss made it a "goal" or "target" for me to do a submission this year to verify my experience. So if i don't do it, it will reflect poorly on my performance! which means i won't get a bigger raise.. lol..

But I will basically get my P.Eng either this september or next depending on the evaluation of my expereince.

[MistaChin]

Doh, forget it, I found it, Feb. 16th is the mail out date...I'm with you on *fingers crossed*

Hey just curious but where did you see that the mail out date is Feb 16th?

[sauga_kid]

Hey just curious but where did you see that the mail out date is Feb 16th?
Should be in the package that they sent out when you registered, I'll see if I can dig it up for you.

**Edit**
Here you go:
http://www.peo.on.ca/registration/PPE/2009PPE/ppesyllabus%202009-11.pdf

[MistaChin]

Passed!!!!

[stevenma188]

:) Congrats!

[sauga_kid]

Passed!!!!

Congrats! Me too!
TM3=2 PPE=0

[BoostieMonster]

Congrats! Me too!
TM3=2 PPE=0

Congrats both of you!!!

Welcome to the club!!!!

[sp3GT]

A bit off topic, I'm going to do a internship soon hopefully. Does anyone know how they determine if the experience from the position qualifies towards P Eng?

[fini]

A bit off topic, I'm going to do a internship soon hopefully. Does anyone know how they determine if the experience from the position qualifies towards P Eng?

if you work directly under the supervision of a P.Eng. then it almost automatically qualifies. I say almost because your boss could be a P.Eng. but you're doing a business job or something. Otherwise, you'd need to justify your experience and how it qualifies as valid experience. You will need to provide references for PEO to check experience as well so don't burn bridges and make sure to keep in contact with superiors or other P.Eng. colleagues so that they can help you verify your experience.

there are 5 (i think) separate categories that experience can fall under. 3 of which are almost always mandatory to be considered as valid experience. application of theory, design, and.... something else i forget them all..

[rktsci]

A bit off topic, I'm going to do a internship soon hopefully. Does anyone know how they determine if the experience from the position qualifies towards P Eng?

As fini said, they will as long as you're under the supervision of a P.Eng. Also they will only give you a maximum of 12 months credit for any pre-grad experience.

[sp3GT]

As fini said, they will as long as you're under the supervision of a P.Eng. Also they will only give you a maximum of 12 months credit for any pre-grad experience.

Oh really, only 12 months. I'm asking cause I should be supervised by someone with a P.ENG but the position seems to be very business oriented so I'm not sure if it would qualify.

[fini]

If you have the time, when PEO sends out those EIT information session seminar sign up emails you should def go to those.
It's very informative.
They cover a lot in terms of experience checklist. What counts, what doesn't, what justification is required, maximums, minimums, etc etc.

[sp3GT]

If you have the time, when PEO sends out those EIT information session seminar sign up emails you should def go to those.
It's very informative.
They cover a lot in terms of experience checklist. What counts, what doesn't, what justification is required, maximums, minimums, etc etc.

Where would I find these seminars? I'm a member of OSPE and a student PEO member but I barely get anything from them.

[fini]

Where would I find these seminars? I'm a member of OSPE and a student PEO member but I barely get anything from them.

if you login online on the PEO website (you need your ref. #) you should be able to enter your email address and all that. whenever these seminars take place they will send out an email to you.

or you can get in contact with Margaret who handles that stuff.

Margaret Walcott
Administrative Assistant, Prelicensing Programs
Professional Engineers Ontario

25 Sheppard Avenue West, Suite 1000

Toronto, ON M2N 6S9An
Tel.: (416) 840-1042 / 800-339-3716
Fax: (416) 224-8168
Email: mwalcott@peo.on.ca

[optiklenz13]

Passed!!!!

Congrats bro!!! session time. LOL.

[rzapata]

Bringing in this old thread from the grave.. Damn, this waiting to take the exam makes me nervous and crazy!! :bang

Also, for those reading this thread, please have a quick look at my WTB thread for the books (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?58642-WTB-Professional-Practice-Exam-Books-for-Engineers&highlight=professional). :) Notes and stuff will also be greatly appreciated if you have any (free or for sale). :)

[Trini2DeBone]

Bringing in this old thread from the grave.. Damn, this waiting to take the exam makes me nervous and crazy!! :bang

Also, for those reading this thread, please have a quick look at my WTB thread for the books (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?58642-WTB-Professional-Practice-Exam-Books-for-Engineers&highlight=professional). :) Notes and stuff will also be greatly appreciated if you have any (free or for sale). :)


PM me your email. I got some stuff to send ya :)

[flyingdutchman]

I am writing mine in December.

I feel the ethics portion is much harder than the law portion. Mostly because Law is all about definitions while ethics you have to apply principles, etc.

For the people who did the PPE exam and passed it, how much did you study for it? Also did you read the entire textbook? How did you study for it?

[loki]

I am writing mine in December.

I feel the ethics portion is much harder than the law portion. Mostly because Law is all about definitions while ethics you have to apply principles, etc.

For the people who did the PPE exam and passed it, how much did you study for it? Also did you read the entire textbook? How did you study for it?

if you can't tell what's ethical from reading those questions, you have real problems. lol

for the law part you need to know the actual cases that apply and have to be able to state which case applies to the question.

with the ethics, you just identify the ethical problems and throw the "book" at them.

[loki]

here's an ethics type question off the top of my head.

An engineering graduate, Johm Smith, who recently was let go from the consulting firm he was employed for 36 months after he graduated, started providing engineering advice to family and friends. After a couple months, he began advertising on a local online classifieds. The add read:

Engineering services cheap! Will beat any price you can find. I am the cheapest, the fastest and better than all the other firms out there. Hire me today and my services the second time you hire me will be free.

sincerely,

John Smith, P.Eng


can you tell what's wrong with that? If you can, you'll be fine.

[flyingdutchman]

Well first off he is only an engineering graduate and not a professional engineer so he is violation of the Professional Engineers Act because he is practicing professional engineering without a licence. Second, he is using the P.Eng title so he is also in violation of the Act. There are a couple of violations on code of ethics here but I do not have the paper in front of me to tell you which ones.

My main problem are not the cases. Those are very easy and practical. My main concern are those questions. Especially when it comes to PEO's self-regulation question and the advantages of being a consulting engineer.

[loki]

Well first off he is only an engineering graduate and not a professional engineer so he is violation of the Professional Engineers Act because he is practicing professional engineering without a licence. Second, he is using the P.Eng title so he is also in violation of the Act. There are a couple of violations on code of ethics here but I do not have the paper in front of me to tell you which ones.

My main problem are not the cases. Those are very easy and practical. My main concern are those questions. Especially when it comes to PEO's self-regulation question and the advantages of being a consulting engineer.

you cannot claim to be the best, you cannot offer "discount" engineering. the other stuff you got right, and then you apply the sections of the code that apply, and the disciplinary action is all the same.

just do your reading and you'll be fine. Everyone says it's a joke, I disagree. You still need to know what you're talking about, but with the right reading it'll be no problem for you.

[n00bMeiSter]

you cannot offer "discount" engineering.

Out of curiosity, why's that? Pricing or cost for consulting/etc, isn't regulated is it?

[loki]

Out of curiosity, why's that? Pricing or cost for consulting/etc, isn't regulated is it?


I don't mean you can't offer reasonable pricing, I mean you can't advertise "buy one get one free" type thing or that you're the cheapest etc etc.

they just don't want engineering associated with being cheap. since in alot of people's minds, cheap is associated with poor service or lack of quality etc. etc. Believe me there are enough firms out there giving bottom dollar services anyway.

[n00bMeiSter]

I don't mean you can't offer reasonable pricing, I mean you can't advertise "buy one get one free" type thing or that you're the cheapest etc etc.

they just don't want engineering associated with being cheap. since in alot of people's minds, cheap is associated with poor service or lack of quality etc. etc. Believe me there are enough firms out there giving bottom dollar services anyway.

That's sort of what I figured.

Yeah, that's a little concerning.

[loki]

That's sort of what I figured.

Yeah, that's a little concerning.

I wish it was regulated actually, then we could avoid those firms undercutting my firm, and giving sub-par services.

which means we could raise our prices, and I can make the money I deserve for the work I do. :flaming

[n00bMeiSter]

I wish it was regulated actually, then we could avoid those firms undercutting my firm, and giving sub-par services.

which means we could raise our prices, and I can make the money I deserve for the work I do. :flaming

I hear ya, sucks big time. Wish there was some sort of association that gives a numerical or "star" rating for firms based on inspections and reviews and stuff. Like an official rating. Would make finding a decent company a lot easier.

[flyingdutchman]

Just a questions regarding the licence...


I do not have my 48 months of engineering experience yet so say if I get it in the next 5-6 years, do I ever have to do the PPE exam again? Is there a limitiation period as to when I need to get everything done by?

[rktsci]

Just a questions regarding the licence...


I do not have my 48 months of engineering experience yet so say if I get it in the next 5-6 years, do I ever have to do the PPE exam again? Is there a limitiation period as to when I need to get everything done by?

As long as your file shows that you have successfully completed the PPE there is no limitation tied to when you complete your 48 months of experience.

[rzapata]

I am writing mine in December.

I feel the ethics portion is much harder than the law portion. Mostly because Law is all about definitions while ethics you have to apply principles, etc.

For the people who did the PPE exam and passed it, how much did you study for it? Also did you read the entire textbook? How did you study for it?

Where are you writing the exam? From what I can remember, the Toronto one should be somewhere in the U of T campus (I think). Maybe I'll see you there. :)


Just a questions regarding the licence...


I do not have my 48 months of engineering experience yet so say if I get it in the next 5-6 years, do I ever have to do the PPE exam again? Is there a limitiation period as to when I need to get everything done by?

There's no definite "deadline," as long as you get your 48 months, although, the trick is having covered the criterion as posted by the PEO. Also, there's a limit to how many times you can take the PPE exam (3 I believe). After 3 tries and no luck, I believe they will close your file and will not allow you to get on with the application... Pretty rough, but hey, just need to study hard and take it seriously. :)

[sammyboi36]

i need about 2.5 yrs more experience before i qualify to be a p.eng. i still need to write the PPE. is there a limited number of tries you can write the PPE?

i plan on writing it after i finish my 4 years required experience. its going to be hard studying for an exam after a few years out of uni

[loki]

Best thing to do is email or call PEO

[rktsci]

i need about 2.5 yrs more experience before i qualify to be a p.eng. i still need to write the PPE. is there a limited number of tries you can write the PPE?

i plan on writing it after i finish my 4 years required experience. its going to be hard studying for an exam after a few years out of uni

You're better off writing your PPE while you are accumulating your experience. That way, assuming you pass your PPE, you only have to complete the experience review portion. You save a lot of time doing it this way.

If you do it how you say you are going to, there is a lot of wasted time between the end of the 48 months, acceptance of your experience by the review panel, writing the PPE, followed by another 6-8 weeks until the results come in, followed lastly by a complete review of your file.

[rzapata]

17 hours 'til exam... And I'm here on the boards.. :bang Damn, I've been studying for more than 3 weeks now and all this week, it's becoming repetitive.. :chuckle

To those taking the exam tomorrow as well, just wanted to to wish you luck! Back to the books!

[Astig02]

17 hours 'til exam... And I'm here on the boards.. :bang Damn, I've been studying for more than 3 weeks now and all this week, it's becoming repetitive.. :chuckle

To those taking the exam tomorrow as well, just wanted to to wish you luck! Back to the books!

best of luck!!

[chinsterr]

Took the OSPE course last year and passed the exam with flying colours (around 1hr to complete it, first one in and out). The course is definitely worth it! The company I work for covered my course fees, but it is def worth the $3XX.xx cost. I lent out the notes from the OSPE course to a friend but should be getting them back shortly.

Contact me if you'd like to take a look at the notes, it would give you a good idea on what topics to focus on.

[sp3GT]

Anyone selling the PPE Exam books? I need them, pls PM

[loki]

Took the OSPE course last year and passed the exam with flying colours (around 1hr to complete it, first one in and out). The course is definitely worth it! The company I work for covered my course fees, but it is def worth the $3XX.xx cost. I lent out the notes from the OSPE course to a friend but should be getting them back shortly.

Contact me if you'd like to take a look at the notes, it would give you a good idea on what topics to focus on.

agreed, that course was definitely worth it. I was really busy with work and would not have had the time or motivation to study, so I took the course, and passed the exam no problem.

Up to this day I could not tell you what the PPE books look like, because I've never opened one. lol

sidenote: my company did not cover the cost of the prep course but it was still worth the $283.50 I paid

[sarj55]

I took the PPE exam a couple years back myself. Since I hadn't taken an exam in like 5 years, I decided to sign up for a training course as well and went with ExPS (exam prep services). I was gonna do OSPE but decided against it because I didn't think they had anywhere near the same quality/quanitity of material to study from (plus expen$ive) .

I think ExPS.org was like $100-200 but it ended up costing me $90 since they will sell you the exam books new/used and also buy them back off you when you're done. I had online access to 1000's of previous exam questions and a bunch of cool online testing pages for different sections of the exam, plus tons of other analysis. Awesome course with Bob Loree and would highly recommend. Contact me if you want my thoughts on the exam.

[madonthemike]

If anyone is interested I've got the 2012 PPE April Exam paper, Question only no answers. If you are preparing for the next sitting pm me.

Also for those who have done their experience record, could anyone pls send me a template or a sample esp. for an electrical engineer, I have a generic template but not sure how to put down things.

[PREPARE]

If anyone is interested I've got the 2012 PPE April Exam paper, Question only no answers. If you are preparing for the next sitting pm me.

Also for those who have done their experience record, could anyone pls send me a template or a sample esp. for an electrical engineer, I have a generic template but not sure how to put down things.

Can you send me the 2012 ppe paper please?

[PREPARE]

Can you send me the 2012 PPE PAPER PLEASE?

[k13]

Anyone else writing the PPE in a few weeks?

[sammyboi36]

can someone send me the 2012 ppe as well please and thanks

[Aceius]

I actually and finally got my C.E.T certification in the mail...lol. It only took me 5 years to finally get it. It's worth it!

[threesonar]

Hi there,

I am interested in taking the PPE exam soom, so, is there any chance to send me the 2012 PPE April Exam papers?. Thank you very much in advance!

[loki]

Hi there,

I am interested in taking the PPE exam soom, so, is there any chance to send me the 2012 PPE April Exam papers?. Thank you very much in advance!

you should look at older exams if that' your thing. Hardly doubt anything on the april exam will show up again on the later exams this year.

[ac2]

If anyone is interested I've got the 2012 PPE April Exam paper, Question only no answers. If you are preparing for the next sitting pm me.

Also for those who have done their experience record, could anyone pls send me a template or a sample esp. for an electrical engineer, I have a generic template but not sure how to put down things.



Hi madonthemike (or anyone),

May you e-mail the 2012 PPE April Exam paper (free-of-charge) to me, please? Thanks.

[loki]

Hi madonthemike (or anyone),

May you e-mail the 2012 PPE April Exam paper (free-of-charge) to me, please? Thanks.

hahahahahahahahaha

[Ozil]

lol

[ac2]

Hi,

May you e-mail the 2012 PPE April Exam paper to me, please? Thanks.

[Impressive]

Hi,

May you e-mail the 2012 PPE April Exam paper to me, please? Thanks.

Nobody is going to mail it to you, sorry bud.

[k13]

Got my results! Passed! :bana2

[Impressive]

Got my results! Passed! :bana2

Congrats!