R.I.P. Tori Stafford

[jaimie08mazda3]

So, they caught the people who killed her... what scares me is where she was found... in the Rockwood Conservation Area allegedly, scary because the Rockwood Conservation Area is right behind my house... there are alot of younger children in my neighbourhood and it scares me to know that people this sick and twisted would take her (OR DO IT FOR THAT MATTER SICK PEOPLE!:flaming) to a town where there are alot of younger families with little children. It sickens me to think about these people in the first place. Today I was at work and there was this girl about 8 years old that came in to my work and this was after I heard about it... I just thought that a little girl like this was possibly raped and murdered just because they thought they could get away with it. It is just horrible someone so young and innocent can be taken away from normal parents like any of you, just because it was something to do. SICK PEOPLE. Sorry for my rant, I just cant understand people and it makes me upset when I think about things like that. I hope those people burn in hell for what they did. :flaming:flaming end rant/.

[Donutz]

This is horrible news. I had my fingers crossed hoping for a different outcome. I don't know what to say; I feel for the family.

[Fobio]

I have nothing but sympathies for the family...

I watch a lot of Law and Order: SVU...it comes on after the news, after I cook...life is stranger than fiction...we live in a pretty f*cked up world...

[jaimie08mazda3]

know whats sad... is real life is actually quite like that in certain aspects.

[SKYMP3]

Did the police said the reason of the murder?

[jaimie08mazda3]

not yet.. possibly someone being stupid thinking they would get money... then got scared figured killing the child would get them out of it and they would never get caught... so they would take her somewhere faar faaaaar away. that would be my guess.

[cwp_sedan]

I am sickened by the news even though it has been way too long not to have a conclusion similar to this. I wish there was the death penalty here in Canada for cases like this.

What type of f**ked up person does this to a child, let alone at all. I have no sympathy for the 18 year old girl and 28 year old guy who did this. I hope they get shanked in jail.

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[Cozwell]

I dont normally do this sort of thing but just wanted to share this info

not sure if any of you have been following the missing woodstock girl but today they found and arrested the 2 who have murdered her!

28 year old dude and his 18 year old girlfriend - 18 WTF is wrong with people? the kid was what 8 going on 9... all i ask is that they put both in general population and let the inmates deal with them accordingly!

check out the press conference http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_34702.aspx

just goes to show that more CCTV is needed in my opinion in schools - just think of it - if there were cameras this would not have happened - or maybe yea it still could have happened but we would have a clear picture of the chick and the car she left in - and that little girl would be alive right now!

Anyways - just a small little rant - but i felt i should share

K

[aris]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33827

[cwp_sedan]

Repost but definitely sad. :(

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=33827

Merge threads?

[Cozwell]

ya sure merge away sorry - just found out and didnt even bother to look first - just hate that it happened

[aris]

This is way to sad

[Cardinal Fang]

Thread moved to General Lounge

*Moons yearoftherat*

[Noisy Crow]

Wow. When I heard the news I felt just horrified. My daughter is 5-1/2... just thinking about this make me feel sick to my stomach.. I can only imagine what that family is going through. And that poor little girl.

[Fuman]

so this was just a 'I felt like it' murder? wtf....

[MistaChin]

I wish bad things for these arseholes. It's sad, so sad.

All we can hope for now is that they go to jail and get butt raped by a fat guy named Tiny. Or put them in the middle of a circle and let the community deal with them however they see fit. ok ok not likely to happen but it's just sick what the family is going through.

[EastYork3]

Not to start arguments but I think this is a case when Canada should enact the death penalty. I just don't see how someone who could do this would be a valuable human in society.

[crystal8484]

so this was just a 'I felt like it' murder? wtf....

Mmm I think this case is going to go a little deeper than that... The next fews days are going to unravel a whole slew of crazy sh!t. I also think that parents are more involved than lead to believe in one way or another...

Crazy crazy crazy is all I have to say.

[3GFX]

Apparently one of the parents was heavy into the drug scene and owed a lot of money. Rumours are going around this was revenge. Its truly sick and I don't know how anyone could do such a thing. The worst part is that here in Canada they'll only get a slap on the wrist. They will be judged in hell.

[FoXy]

Its sad that the child has to suffer for the parents mistakes.

[jaimie08mazda3]

you know what it is... With times today people are like welll its a dog eat dog world out there who gives a shit... really. so lets go do whatever the hell we want to do and there will never be consequences cuz im charmed. Yea sure he owes you money... BUT YOU DONT KILL AN INNOCENT CHILD BECAUSE THE FATHER/MOTHER WAS AN IDIOT. That my friends is more wrong then anything else. If its the person itself who owed you then i understand a bit WRONG but i understand. But when you have a life who has only been here 8 years doesn't understand right from wrong... its just sickening.... SICK PEOPLE. My advice for the death penalty is the firing squad.

[Fobio]

2 wrongs don't make a right (3 lefts do)...

what I want to point out is: parents are ultimately responsible for their children. sickos and wackos have been around since the beginning of time...if the parents live a certain lifestyle that is not conducive to a healthy family, it is inevitable the child will suffer...

and in this case, a little girl died...

and the other day, a baby fell off the 8th floor and lived...

no difference in my eyes...

[aris]

BUT YOU DONT KILL AN INNOCENT CHILD BECAUSE THE FATHER/MOTHER WAS AN IDIOT.

+1

Also i don't blame the parents cause 2 people are sick in the head to go kill a child....

[jaimie08mazda3]

that both families should never have children. but you know what... all these 14-18 year old girls gettin pregnant. its just like wtf. because you have no money you borrow it then you get in to debt then you get into aloooooooot of trouble. simpkle as that

[aris]

that both families should never have children. but you know what... all these 14-18 year old girls gettin pregnant. its just like wtf. because you have no money you borrow it then you get in to debt then you get into aloooooooot of trouble. simpkle as that

Jaimie blaming the parents is not the answer...why would it be their fault? cause they owe money? just cause they owe money does not mean the two people have the right to start killing children!

[jaimie08mazda3]

+1

Also i don't blame the parents cause 2 people are sick in the head to go kill a child....

well that's a given... If it were me... i would go to the jail with an assault rifle and wouldnt care id unload shells into them. that's your own flesh and blood... that is a part of you that you want to see grow up and learn things the way we do... any parent would agree with that statement there... they all parents want is a good life for their children and not to get hurt... even though i don't have children... it still doesn't change how i feel about these sorts of things *this is one of my top things i wish would never happen*

[Fobio]

Jaimie blaming the parents is not the answer...why would it be their fault? cuase they owe money? jsut cause they owe money does not mean the two people have the right to start killing children!

^^^lol...I owe the bank money for the MS3...they're not coming after my pet fish if I don't pay up...

if I owed you money for the crank you scored me, I'd hide my fish from you...when I'm sober enough to protect my fish...

[jaimie08mazda3]

Jaimie blaming the parents is not the answer...why would it be their fault? cuase they owe money? jsut cause they owe money does not mean the two people have the right to start killing children!

I didn't mean it like that Aristeidis... what im saying that in general people who had children young (I think her mom was young when she had her), they do stupid things and their children pay for it as Fobio said. I did not say I was blaming the parents... the parents have enough to deal with as it is... however you can't tell me not to put a little bit of blame onto the parents. Whoever owed these people money caused this. If they had never gotten into something (if it's even true) it wouldn't have happened. The fact is sick f**king people decided to kill an innocent little girl because of someone's stupidity. And I hope that these people never get out... because if they do... someone will kill them for their horrible crimes.

[jaimie08mazda3]

^^^lol...I owe the bank money for the MS3...they're not coming after my pet fish if I don't pay up...

if I owed you money for the crank you scored me, I'd hide my fish from you...when I'm sober enough to protect my fish...

:chuckle humour in a serious topic lmao

[ElegantGremlin]

Jaimie blaming the parents is not the answer...why would it be their fault? cuase they owe money? jsut cause they owe money does not mean the two people have the right to start killing children!

But it was the parent's that put them in this situation. Yes, they did go too far in killing the child, but if it was revenge than the parent's do have to take some of the fault.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

here's something for discussion...would this have happened had the Woodstock police issued an Amber Alert for Tori once the parents had reported her missing, rather than waiting a week or so to 'officially' call it a 'missing person'?

the media reports that Tori was murdered within a day or 2 of being abducted....

[Fobio]

here's something for discussion...would this have happened had the Woodstock police issued an Amber Alert for Tori once the parents had reported her missing, rather than waiting a week or so to 'officially' call it a 'missing person'?

the media reports that Tori was murdered within a day or 2 of being abducted....

their rationale is that Tori left with someone she must've known...considering that I walked home by myself throughout my school years (my parents never worried...I was not an attractive kid :chuckle), it is very very easy even nowadays to just "pretend" to be a parent picking any kid up from school...

I like the idea of wiring up all the schools with better surveillance camera...

And I've actually started to think about a career change down the road where I can drop-off and pick-up my kids from school...I sh!t you not on this issue...I'd say 90% of the trouble I got into and out off, came from having too much unsupervised free-time after school...

[ElegantGremlin]

here's something for discussion...would this have happened had the Woodstock police issued an Amber Alert for Tori once the parents had reported her missing, rather than waiting a week or so to 'officially' call it a 'missing person'?

the media reports that Tori was murdered within a day or 2 of being abducted....

I don't think it matters. I think if anything it would've just accelerated the murder as an 'Oh shit, they're on to us' kind of thing.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

their rationale is that Tori left with someone she must've known...considering that I walked home by myself throughout my school years (my parents never worried...I was not an attractive kid :chuckle), it is very very easy even nowadays to just "pretend" to be a parent picking any kid up from school...


their rationale is faulty since the lady that Tori walked off with could have said "my mommy sent me to pick you up" (classic line you used to see in those After School specials) or "come quietly with me or I'll kill you".

the fact that Tori walked off "like she knew the woman" should not be an excuse for not acting sooner.

[MajesticBlueNTO]

I don't think it matters. I think if anything it would've just accelerated the murder as an 'Oh shit, they're on to us' kind of thing.

murdering someone and dumping the body in a small town is harder when the whole town is searching day and night for a missing child.

the accused woman even sat in the OPP helicopter assisting in the search... how's that for cockiness

[Fobio]

the words "right under their noses" were used many times in the reports...

without speculating, I agree with another poster that there will be a lot more info coming out...just reading the Toronto Star report, I couldn't even keep up with all the names being thrown around.

[ElegantGremlin]

murdering someone and dumping the body in a small town is harder when the whole town is searching day and night for a missing child.

the accused woman even sat in the OPP helicopter assisting in the search... how's that for cockiness

Dumping the body is harder, murdering her would be easier because if there was a higher risk of being caught they'd finish it quicker.

[DruidB]

Enacting the Death penalty is not the the right course of action.. if thats enacted innocent people will die along with the guilty (a proven fact). You cannot reverse or pardon death.

These two sicko's will end up with life... and in canada "life" is only 25 years.. that is what needs to change.. life should mean LIFE

[ElegantGremlin]

and in canada "life" is only 25 years..

Do we really have that low of a life expectancy?

[Noisy Crow]

Do we really have that low of a life expectancy?

"Life in jail" means "25 years in jail"

[ElegantGremlin]

"Life in jail" means "25 years in jail"

I know. But why in a society where people live into their 70s, 80s and above do we convict people for 'Life' at 25 years?

[Cardinal Fang]

These two sicko's will end up with life... and in canada "life" is only 25 years.. that is what needs to change.. life should mean LIFE

You're referring to the "faint hope clause" in our criminal code. It says you must serve at least 25 yrs of a life sentence before becoming eligible for parole. I think life should be mean life too. Having the families relive the crime at every parole hearing is just another way to victimize them.

[b.rabbit]

You're referring to the "faint hope clause" in our criminal code. It says you must serve at least 25 yrs of a life sentence before becoming eligible for parole. I think life should be mean life too. Having the families relive the crime at every parole hearing is just another way to victimize them.

Cardi's correct. Murder goes with a lifetime prison sentence. No ifs and buts. I'm not sure if there's a parole hearing after every 25yrs if they're rejected.

[aris]

But it was the parent's that put them in this situation. Yes, they did go too far in killing the child, but if it was revenge than the parent's do have to take some of the fault.

You guys are going on about it been the parents fault but i been reading the paper and listen the news and no where does it say this murder had anyhting to do with the parents:loco


here's something for discussion...would this have happened had the Woodstock police issued an Amber Alert for Tori once the parents had reported her missing, rather than waiting a week or so to 'officially' call it a 'missing person'?

the media reports that Tori was murdered within a day or 2 of being abducted....

I agree with this 100%..they should have put out an ambler alert as soon as the parents reported her missing:flaming

[ElegantGremlin]

You guys are going on about it been the parents fault but i been reading the paper and listen the news and no where does it say this murder had anyhting to do with the parents:loco

3GFX mentioned it. I haven't really been following the case so that's why I said "if it was revenge...".

[jaimie08mazda3]

simple as that they should be sentanced to life.. if they took a person's life away they should be in there for the rest of their life. and that means 80 years in jail for the one girl

[aris]

simple as that they should be sentanced to life.. if they took a person's life away they should be in there for the rest of their life. and that means 80 years in jail for the one girl

+1..

[JMAK74]

I agree with this 100%..they should have put out an ambler alert as soon as the parents reported her missing:flaming

In hindsight, perhaps they should as we all know what has happened.

However, the police have said it didn't meet Amber Alert criteria at the time. If they issued Amber Alerts immediately everytime a parent called that their kid was missing and I'd suspect most cases would get resolved (i.e Little Jimmy was at his friends house and didn't tell mom)j quickly that the kid wasn't infact missing, it would reduce the effectiveness of Amber Alerts - too many of them and the public doesn't pay attention.

From wiki about Amber Alerts:
"However, the U.S. Department of Justice issues the following "guidance", which most states are said to "adhere closely to":

Law enforcement must confirm that an abduction has taken place
The child must be at risk of serious injury or death
There must be sufficient descriptive information of child, captor, or captor's vehicle to issue an alert
The child must be 17 years old or younger

Many law enforcement agencies have not used #2 as a criterion, resulting in many parental abductions triggering an Amber Alert where the child is not known or assumed to be at risk of serious injury or death."

Three of the criteria above were not met at the time of her going missing was called in.

I stress - I wish things had gone differently in this case - it's horrible what happened, and let's say i've lost some sleep worrying if this happened to my 4 month old son....

[aris]

In hindsight, perhaps they should as we all know what has happened.

However, the police have said it didn't meet Amber Alert criteria at the time. If they issued Amber Alerts immediately everytime a parent called that their kid was missing and I'd suspect most cases would get resolved (i.e Little Jimmy was at his friends house and didn't tell mom)j quickly that the kid wasn't infact missing, it would reduce the effectiveness of Amber Alerts - too many of them and the public doesn't pay attention.

From wiki about Amber Alerts:
"However, the U.S. Department of Justice issues the following "guidance", which most states are said to "adhere closely to":

Law enforcement must confirm that an abduction has taken place
The child must be at risk of serious injury or death
There must be sufficient descriptive information of child, captor, or captor's vehicle to issue an alert
The child must be 17 years old or younger

Many law enforcement agencies have not used #2 as a criterion, resulting in many parental abductions triggering an Amber Alert where the child is not known or assumed to be at risk of serious injury or death."

Three of the criteria above were not met at the time of her going missing was called in.

I stress - I wish things had gone differently in this case - it's horrible what happened, and let's say i've lost some sleep worrying if this happened to my 4 month old son....


Parents report kid missing issue amber alert..i don't see how the woodstock police would not issue amber alert ,..say what you want but it should have been issued as soon as the child was reported missing:flaming

[SpeedBaby]

This is a terrible story all around. I can't even imagine what the family must be going through right now dealing with it. Regardless whether it was caused by parents' lifestyle or not they will be faced with guilt for the rest of their lives thinking that THEY should've been at her school that day picking her up (at least I know I would've).

On the matter of the Amber alerts, i think it's a very important topic. My own daughter is less than 1 year younger than Tori and every time I start thinking that this is something that could happen anywhere, to anyone, including her, my heart stops. If my kid would've gone missing and the police would tell me that they are unable to launch an Amber alert on the grounds of technicality because no one has seen who took her I would most likely end up with some charges of my own just out of desperation. There is actually an online petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/vict888/petition.html) to change the current Amber alert requirements.

This is yet one more reason why I'm doubtful about our public education system. I know that the private schooling doesn't fully guarantee that nothing like that would ever happen, but at least i know that my daughter will not be released to some stranger and they do have cameras around and inside the building. Plus the extended after school hours that allow me to be there to drop her off in the morning and to pick her up myself. Little piece of mind that is worth EVERY penny.

[axelf911]

Regarding the search for her body. I'm surprised as to why the guy charged with the murder still thinks he can get away with things by keeping quiet. I'm sure back in the day cops would have a good way to get the answers out of anyone, i.e. torture techniques.