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Downsview Auto Ltd
10-22-2009, 04:04 PM
Downsview Auto would like to thank all members of the TM3 forum for their input. In light of some of the conversations we would like to share are policies regarding purchasing a vehicle at Downsview Auto.

Before we list our policies Downsiew Auto would like to state the following. Each and every single Mazda that we carry on the lot comes directly Off-Lease from Mazda Canada. Every single customer is given a free Car-Proof indicating exactly where the vehicle came from.

As a consumer, one needs to understand that they are purchasing a USED vehicle. Not all USED vehicles are in the same condition as others and certainly not in the same condition when buying a NEW Mazda. That being said, Downsview Auto makes every effort to try and meet the customer’s expectations. During our course of business we continue to try and make improvements in all facets of our business.
Downsview Auto clearly understands without the costumer we would not be in business.
While we have had many positive experiences and satisfied customers we have also encountered customers whose expectations can be unrealistic and sometimes left unsatisfied with the service and policies at Downsview Auto. Prior to any consumer purchase, the customer needs to take it upon themselves to be well informed about the product and procedures in which they are buying from. That being said, we would like to fully disclosure Downsview Auto polcies:


Downsview Auto Polcies & Procedures:

All vehicles are subject to the following when buying a vehicle from Downsview Auto. There are 2 options of buying a vehicle from Downsview Auto. Obviously, both options do incur GTS & PST.

Certified & E-Tested

- $255 Adminstration Fee
- $350 Safety & Certifcation Fee
- MTO License plates & sticker

It is very common that the majority of our Off-Lease from Mazda do require a certain amount of mechanic work to meet the certification requirement. The most common of the certification work is the replacement of the brakes and rotors. There are many instances that the certification cost goes over the cost of $350. That being said, the customer would never pay the additional cost but rather Downwview Auto would absorb those cost. Each and every customer is entitled our mechanics receipt of the repairs done to their vehicle.

Also included in our charge of $350 Safety & Certification fee are non Safety related items that Downsview Auto covers:

-NON SAFETY ITEMS such as air conditioning and ANY other items that are
not functioning properly before taking possession of the vehicle.

Cosmetics Items: Dings & Scratches,rust, cigarette burns etc ….

The second option is buying the vehicle ‘AS IS’

If a customer chooses to buy the vehicle AS IS they are not charges the $255 administration fee and the $350 Safety & Certification fee. Downsview Auto will not service the vehicle in any way with this option. In addition, customer will have to be responsible for transporting the vehicle on their to their own service facility.


The reason that Downsview Auto would waive both fees for AS IS cars is because more times we end up spending more than $600 to get the vehicle up to the customers satisfaction which includes safety items, non related items and cosmetic items. It would be more cost effective to sell the vehicle AS IS and not incur all these costs as a business. In addition, customer has to understand there is an added risk by taking the vehicle As Is. The customer would be accountable for all cost incurred by their own mechanic to get the vehicle to meet all safety standards. The safest way to buy a vehicle is certified from the dealership because they ultimately responsible for all safety items to be fixed and they incur all the expenses.



As stated in one of are earlier responses. EVERY customer is given the option of having the vehicle inspected by a local Mazda dealership or their own mechanic before taking possession of the vehicle and paying for it and YES, this is put in writing. Furthermore, if a vehicle is to have found any deficiencies either Downsview Auto will repair them at their own cost or return the deposit in full and YES this is put in writing as well. The option of having the vehicle inspected by a third party is incurred by the customer if they choose this option. However, Downsview Auto will make the necessary arrangements of shuttling the vehicle to the nearest Mazda Dealership the customer chooses or if they would like the vehicle inspected by their own local mechanic as long as their mechanic is within the appropriate distance to Downsview Auto location.


Warranty

Downsview Auto would like to make a comment about some of the discussion about the warranty. The warranty is a third part warranty called A-Protect. There are several plans available with the most cost effective being a silver package covering up to $1000 for 36 months and unlimited mileage. Like any industry wide warranty there are always limitations and we do our best to try and explain those to each and one of our customers either buy providing a brochure or website info about A-protect. Obviously this warranty is optional and by no means does the customer have to buy the warranty.

Here is the website or A-Protect ( www.a-protectwarranty.com )



Downsview Auto would like to thank all members of the TM3 forum for their feedback. Downsview Auto has agreed to offer ALL members and friends of TM3 a free inspection by a Mazda Dealership(local)with a purchase of a vehicle. Just mention the TM3 forum or bring a copy of this reply.

Thank You.









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omalak
10-22-2009, 04:13 PM
:pop

kevcol74
10-22-2009, 04:42 PM
Can you also explain your "No Test Drives" Policy for everyone. Thats been one of the biggest complaints here, and rightfully so. Anywhere else you can test drive the car you buy. I know personally I will NOT buy a car I cannot test drive, especially from a dealership.

cwp_sedan
10-22-2009, 04:48 PM
:pop

I think you're going to need a bigger bag of popcorn... :chuckle

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb106/cwp_sedan/smilies/popcorn.gif

MPS
10-22-2009, 04:50 PM
Ban

omalak
10-22-2009, 04:52 PM
I think you're going to need a bigger bag of popcorn... :chuckle

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb106/cwp_sedan/smilies/popcorn.gif

lol

this should be fun

I wonder where Shelly is ;)

cwp_sedan
10-22-2009, 04:56 PM
Ban

That would definitely make things easier/better. They aren't here to contribute, just taint the forum. Personally the only way to redeem themselves would be to BE a better sales dealership as a whole. Which I doubt would happen.

Who cares about them coming here to back their rep. They have done this to themselves because of the shitty service they provide.

MPS
10-22-2009, 04:56 PM
in my bed :chuckle
she did say we need to get some GF

Go_Habs_Go
10-22-2009, 04:56 PM
Can you also explain your "No Test Drives" Policy for everyone. Thats been one of the biggest complaints here, and rightfully so. Anywhere else you can test drive the car you buy. I know personally I will NOT buy a car I cannot test drive, especially from a dealership.

If this is the case, I too would like to know why there is such a policy in place.

How can someone be expected to buy a car without being allowed to test drive it first?!

MPS
10-22-2009, 05:02 PM
ok to be some what fair most MS3 owners like my self got there cars with out test drives
but then again the cars are new :)


If this is the case, I too would like to know why there is such a policy in place.

How can someone be expected to buy a car without being allowed to test drive it first?!

cwp_sedan
10-22-2009, 05:04 PM
If this is the case, I too would like to know why there is such a policy in place.

How can someone be expected to buy a car without being allowed to test drive it first?!

Exactly :loco

Go_Habs_Go
10-22-2009, 05:07 PM
ok to be some what fair most MS3 owners like my self got there cars with out test drives
but then again the cars are new :)

Exactly.

How can someone buy a used car without a test drive first?!!

Sorry, but that person would have to be completely naive to even consider it. The minute someone says you can test drive a used car before buying it, that is the SINGLE BIGGEST RED FLAG for any prospective buyer.

MPS
10-22-2009, 05:12 PM
maybe a red flag to some
but they still manage to sell cars :flaming

kevcol74
10-22-2009, 05:19 PM
ok to be some what fair most MS3 owners like my self got there cars with out test drives
but then again the cars are new :)

You have a "limited run" car that is a large target for "test pilots". We are talking regular everyday Mazda 3s. There is no logical explanation for this aside from they don't carry insurance to cover it.

rick10
10-23-2009, 12:28 PM
I m in the middle here... It sucks you can not test drive a car however they are letting you take the car to whichever dealership you want to be tested ...

So in reality you are not really buying the car without testing it , if the dealership you took it to does not approved the car then you can return it..

Maybe they dont have insurance or maybe they do not want test pilots that are not even sure they want to buy a mazda 3...

I know that option dealers do the samething , they do not let you test drive the car and I was told this was because of insurance and also because their prices are so low that they do only want to sell their cars to people that are serious about buying them... Same as downsview they do allow you to have the car examine by a mechanic and a shop ( dont quote me on this) after you put down a deposit and before you pay the full amount

If they had something to hide , why would they allow you to take your car over a dealership ..

wikdslo
10-23-2009, 12:55 PM
I know that option dealers do the samething , they do not let you test drive the car and I was told this was because of insurance and also because their prices are so low that they do only want to sell their cars to people that are serious about buying them...

Because only jokers and uninformed time wasters could possibly want to drive a USED car they know nothing about and are about to lay down $10,000 on.

I see your point.

mazdaskit
10-23-2009, 01:20 PM
you think they would try and clear up everything bc when you Google there name all the bad reviews come up from here and ppl are adding links from here .. so maybe they should clear up everything before there rep gets worse

Default User
10-23-2009, 01:50 PM
It's good to see that they have come here to say their side of the story

Guess it didn't take long for Shelly to tell her dad the bad rep that have

Zoom Zoom Boy
10-23-2009, 02:13 PM
It's good to see that they have come here to say their side of the story

Guess it didn't take long for Shelly to tell her dad the bad rep that have

LOL. Hilarious.

That said, coming on here and expressing what they have, while an improvement, is only really worthwhile if they put a name and title to the person posting on here as Downsview Auto. Otherwise, relatively useless to hide behind anonymity.

mazdaskit
10-23-2009, 02:40 PM
Maybe they should come to a meet and talk man to man lol to the members having the problems with them.. :chuckle

MistaChin
10-23-2009, 03:11 PM
I said it once and i'll say it again

F*** DOWNSVIEW AUTO. Like cwp_sedan said, you're not here to contribute but to try and spruce up whatever reputation you guys have left. You're wasting space on these forums and you drastically need to improve your customer service and shitty dealership as a whole. Dont talk and argue, just act. kthxbai

Jest3r
10-24-2009, 01:13 AM
At downsview auto, CAR DRIVES YOU!

krasyal
10-24-2009, 03:40 PM
I think everyone has to respect the fact that Downsview has stated their position. Everone has the right to agree Or disagree with their policies. I personally had a decent experiece buying my vehicle and so far happy with my car. I agree with an earlier post that most of this negative chatter is from people who never stepped foot at their dealership which I personally don't agree with. I don't think you will ever recieve the same customer service when you compare buying a used/new car from Data Controller
Enterprise Groupa new dealer but I'm on the other side if the fence where I'd rather pay 2-3 less for the same type of car with a little less attention.

krasyal
10-24-2009, 03:42 PM
Oppps .... Maybe next time I should proof read my post ...lol... But hopefully you understand my point

poke65
10-24-2009, 04:18 PM
I think everyone has to respect the fact that Downsview has stated their position. Everone has the right to agree Or disagree with their policies. I personally had a decent experiece buying my vehicle and so far happy with my car. I agree with an earlier post that most of this negative chatter is from people who never stepped foot at their dealership which I personally don't agree with. I don't think you will ever recieve the same customer service when you compare buying a used/new car from Data Controller
Enterprise Groupa new dealer but I'm on the other side if the fence where I'd rather pay 2-3 less for the same type of car with a little less attention.


I also bought my car here and have had no problems. People need to educate themselves before buying anything instead of relying on UN educated (pushy) sales people pulling the wool over their eyes.

krasyal
10-24-2009, 06:05 PM
If this is the case, I too would like to know why there is such a policy in place.

How can someone be expected to buy a car without being allowed to test drive it first?!

If I can add the 1 point ...... You don't have to agree with their policies and therfore you don't have to buy their cars ... I just have a problem with peoples indirect negative responses. If you personally have had a bad experience with them that's one thing .... And I know there have been with some if the posts here .... I too wasn't happy with everything ... But those are mainly small things that I could live with and expected when I bought the USED car .... Overall my overall experience wad satisfactory and again the car is running well.....

krasyal
10-24-2009, 06:07 PM
If I can add the 1 point ...... You don't have to agree with their policies and therfore you don't have to buy their cars ... I just have a problem with peoples indirect negative responses. If you personally have had a bad experience with them that's one thing .... And I know there have been with some if the posts here .... I too wasn't happy with everything ... But those are mainly small things that I could live with and expected when I bought the USED car .... Overall my overall experience wad satisfactory and again the car is running well.....

Sorry 2nd point ....when yeas there buying and picking up my car it was pretty busy with people .... I was like the 5th person picking up my car that day so clearly they are doing something right ... But hey that's just me ....

01Racing
10-24-2009, 06:55 PM
Geez if we were allowed to charge admin fees, financing fees and safety fees I could have been retired by now! (lol)

krasyal
10-24-2009, 08:11 PM
Geez if we were allowed to charge admin fees, financing fees and safety fees I could have been retired by now! (lol)

If u could charge freight, air and all these other fees buying a new Mazda I could have retired before you ...... You hac
ve a point ? ...... Lol

01Racing
10-26-2009, 09:23 PM
Freight is charge to the dealer from the manufacturor, air TAX, gas TAX, OMVIC fee, the new Ontario Tire Stewardship are all paid to either the government or associations the dealer has no choice to pay them. Admin FEE, Safety FEE, Financing FEE are all kept by the dealer. You see?

Cardinal Fang
10-27-2009, 09:49 AM
... I just have a problem with peoples indirect negative responses. If you personally have had a bad experience with them that's one thing ....

Just to clarify something here. The reason I believe people here have negative attitudes including myself has little to do with their policies. Their policies are their policies. I don't have to agree with them in which case I won't go their to buy a used car.

Their attitude is another matter. When one of their employees comes on this board pretending to be a customer and deliberately steals another person's review and post it as their own it's dishonest. It leads me to believe that this employee in particular who went by "Stalona" doesn't care about how his dealership will be perceived if he gets caught. If he deliberately lies and misleads us then how does he treat honest customers that step into his place?

We don't know who "stalona" is or what is his responsibilities are at Downsview Auto. I would hope he's not a sales person or anyone in an administrative capacity at Downsview. Downsview Auto has admitted that stalona was an employee and apologized for the actions. But I'm afraid the damage was done. It's going to take alot to repair their already sketchy reputation.

That is the reason for the negativity on this board towards them.

froggy
10-27-2009, 10:02 AM
that sounded just like a sermon from the pulpit that I'd expect from Mr. Fang

Cardinal Fang
10-27-2009, 01:32 PM
It was the reference to eternal damnation that sent it over the edge right?

froggy
10-27-2009, 02:21 PM
No it was tactfully and directly worded. Straight forward and unambiguous.

bman13
10-28-2009, 08:09 AM
wow...I don't think I could ever buy a used car without test driving it but to each their own. That's including buying off family (if that was the case).

MelanieB
07-14-2010, 09:37 PM
Can you also explain your "No Test Drives" Policy for everyone. Thats been one of the biggest complaints here, and rightfully so. Anywhere else you can test drive the car you buy. I know personally I will NOT buy a car I cannot test drive, especially from a dealership.

Hi I purchased a Mazda a little over a year ago from Downsview Auto and was able to test drive the car with no problems. They let us take it out by ourselves so we could discuss it and we haven't had any problems with the car.
We were told that the car may have had some minor damage (like a fender bender), but legaly they have to tell you if there was any structual damage. I am pretty sure that they are not allowed to sell vehicles with structual damage.

It was a year ago but I don't recall them ever telling us that the transmission warranty we bought was only for $1000.00 and the fact that there is a deductable...If we had known that we wouldn't have bought the warranty because it wouldn't have been worth it for us.

Manpreet
07-14-2010, 10:16 PM
Hi I purchased a Mazda a little over a year ago from Downsview Auto and was able to test drive the car with no problems. They let us take it out by ourselves so we could discuss it and we haven't had any problems with the car.
We were told that the car may have had some minor damage (like a fender bender), but legaly they have to tell you if there was any structual damage. I am pretty sure that they are not allowed to sell vehicles with structual damage.

It was a year ago but I don't recall them ever telling us that the transmission warranty we bought was only for $1000.00 and the fact that there is a deductable...If we had known that we wouldn't have bought the warranty because it wouldn't have been worth it for us.

intresting how its ur first post:whoa

m_bisson
07-14-2010, 11:02 PM
If they had something to hide , why would they allow you to take your car over a dealership ..

There's a LOT you can't diagnose with the car sitting on a lift.

Default User
07-15-2010, 12:34 AM
intresting how its ur first post:whoa

LMFAO
....Shelly, is dat you?!!

M&D Executive Auto
07-15-2010, 09:19 PM
Geez if we were allowed to charge admin fees, financing fees and safety fees I could have been retired by now! (lol)

I thought you were not allowed to charge for these items unless it's already built into the price of the advertised car? If the car is $10,000 advertised price that would have to include all these items safety fee, finance fee, admin fee. These fees cannot be charged on top of the advertised price. Only taxes can be charged extra.

m_bisson
07-16-2010, 06:30 AM
I thought you were not allowed to charge for these items unless it's already built into the price of the advertised car? If the car is $10,000 advertised price that would have to include all these items safety fee, finance fee, admin fee. These fees cannot be charged on top of the advertised price. Only taxes can be charged extra.

Some places try to anyways, and often get away with it. Lots of people are pushovers and will accept anything. Think about all the bad deals that people get suckered into daily via phone or email. It's even easier to do in real life because some people have extremely poor social skills and feel pressure/anxiety in those situations. LOTS of used car places do this, and it makes me wonder how guys like that can sleep at night.

Seriously, it's because of them that I hope hell exists, and that there's a special level in it for car salespeople and lawyers.

Pokey
07-16-2010, 06:34 AM
I thought you were not allowed to charge for these items unless it's already built into the price of the advertised car? If the car is $10,000 advertised price that would have to include all these items safety fee, finance fee, admin fee. These fees cannot be charged on top of the advertised price. Only taxes can be charged extra.

Part of the law should state that this ^^ statement MUST be shown in a prominent place in 20 pitch font inside EVERY dealership.