CRTC Globalive Ownership

[kjb86]

It appears as though Rogers, Bell and Telus got their wish for now until Wind (Globalive) can make the changes necessary to meet the needs of our corrupt CRTC.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/

[SirWanker]

It appears as though Rogers, Bell and Telus got their wish for now until Wind (Globalive) can make the changes necessary to meet the needs of our corrupt CRTC.

http://mobilesyrup.com/2009/10/29/crtc-globalive-does-not-meet-canadian-ownership-rules/

How is the CRTC corrupt when they are enforcing the existing law?????? Read your link.

[bman13]

Gotta love this country...where big business always wins.

[SirWanker]

Gotta love this country...where big business always wins.

Really.....from what I can recall this is a free-market capitalist system with just a touch of good ol' big brother.

[hatthi]

Those laws are in place for a reason. If they weren't we'd just be another state under the red, white and blue flag. Not that we're far from that already...:)

[bman13]

Really.....from what I can recall this is a free-market capitalist system with just a touch of good ol' big brother.

its made to seem as free-market capitalist system...there is WAY MORE then a touch of big brother.


Those laws are in place for a reason. If they weren't we'd just be another state under the red, white and blue flag. Not that we're far from that already...:)

The law about must be canadian owned was put in back when Bell couldnt stand on its own two feet...

Let me know how you guys feel if/when Bell and gang raise their prices cause CRTC said they could charge whatever they want.

Also, lets not forget the whole car insurance thing.

[SirWanker]

its made to seem as free-market capitalist system...there is WAY MORE then a touch of big brother.



The law about must be canadian owned was put in back when Bell couldnt stand on its own two feet...

Let me know how you guys feel if/when Bell and gang raise their prices cause CRTC said they could charge whatever they want.

Also, lets not forget the whole car insurance thing.

Citation please on where "CRTC said they could charge whatever they want" and as for the car insurance topic what exactly is your grief?

[hatthi]

So if we didn't have these laws what do you think would happen if Verizon was allowed into this country with a customer base of over 86 million in the US? How many Canadian wireless companies would be left?

[bman13]

So if we didn't have these laws what do you think would happen if Verizon was allowed into this country with a customer base of over 86 million in the US? How many Canadian wireless companies would be left?

Any that want to compete. So what exactly are you saying? Your telling me you rather pay more then possibly have a companies that will provide you with BETTER (that is not a doubt) services, prices, etc?

Just cause Verizon, T-Mobile, etc are huge power houses does not mean that the Canadian companies would fold. Rogers is a media empire. Rogers actually without the help of AT&T way back when, they wouldnt be where they are.

It should not matter at all who the company is owned by because CANADIANS would be working for them. Might as well make the argument, Canadians should not be allowed to have American channels cause it hurts the Canadian ones...same argument.

Competition is needed in our market that is made to prevent it. You will slowly agree as everything becomes more and more expensive. These laws were written a long time ago to protect Baby Bell at the time and have not been adjusted to the times like a lot of regulations.

[bman13]

Citation please on where "CRTC said they could charge whatever they want" and as for the car insurance topic what exactly is your grief?

There just happens to be a thread you can visit on this topic.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=38730

Also, my "grief" is the same thing. Government said the insurance companies could raise prices and "Premier Dalton McGuinty said insurance is lower today than it was when he was first elected six years ago."

http://www.globaltoronto.com/story.html?id=2124042

[SirWanker]

There just happens to be a thread you can visit on this topic.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=38730

Being able to set prices for companies to access their infrastructure is not the same as setting prices for consumers.

[Unoriginalusername]

any company that is going to employ 500 canadians and make our market more competitive meaning we spend less of our after tax dollars is a good thing imo regardless of who owns them.

[SilentJay]

Being able to set prices for companies to access their infrastructure is not the same as setting prices for consumers.

Ah, but who do you think absorbs the additional costs in the end?

[kjb86]

any company that is going to employ 500 canadians and make our market more competitive meaning we spend less of our after tax dollars is a good thing imo regardless of who owns them.

Actually, Wind has about 800 employed as of right now. Do all these people now have to be laid off temporarily? It's delayed, but it's gonna be a long delay by the time everything goes through the process

[bman13]

Not only is this bad in terms of us getting some relief, it potentially hurts Canada overall.

See this point made in the star below


One analyst, noting that Industry Canada had already approved of Globalive's ownership structure, said this could even discourage foreign companies entering Canada to compete – since the CRTC's rejection amounts to two government departments disagreeing, with millions of dollars of private capital at stake.

[SirWanker]

Not only is this bad in terms of us getting some relief, it potentially hurts Canada overall.

See this point made in the star below

Quite possible but this has not stopped the existing Gov't, both Conservatives & Liberals take note, from shooting themselves in the foot by not assisting Nortel in keeping their bleeding edge, next-generation mobility technology Canadian. Would it have cost less than the GM/Chrysler bail-out? Hard to say but we just lost a significant advantage over the rest of the world in this field, supposedly the "target" for Canada's future.

[kjb86]

so, the CRTC imposes this law in order to protect and maintain any identity that we, as Canadians, have for owning any telecommunications company.

So in plain blunt English, the CRTC will not allow foreign competition unless 80% is owned by a Canadian investor. But, here's the big question: Any other 'foreign' company in sectors other than telecommunications (ie Walmart, Home Depot, Best Buy) have all rights to enter Canada, demolish any competition and/or Canadian owned business and it seems to be fine for everything...

The government shouldn't take $442 million of Globalive (Osram's) money at the auction, have Industry Canada approve their corporate structure and then have the CRTC take it all away, right before their launch (nor should it have taken over a month to come to this conclusion if it was so clear cut), all because, mostly Rogers, had a little fit and went crying to CRTC. If it was a problem in the first place, they should have stopped them at the auction, then fine it would have been more clear.

Last I checked the FCC in the US doesn't impose such law down south. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom founded in Germany. T-Mobile never took down a US based company such as AT&T or Sprint.

[bman13]

so, the CRTC imposes this law in order to protect and maintain any identity that we, as Canadians, have for owning any telecommunications company.

So in plain blunt English, the CRTC will not allow foreign competition unless 80% is owned by a Canadian investor. But, here's the big question: Any other 'foreign' company in sectors other than telecommunications (ie Walmart, Home Depot, Best Buy) have all rights to enter Canada, demolish any competition and/or Canadian owned business and it seems to be fine for everything...

The government shouldn't take $442 million of Globalive (Osram's) money at the auction, have Industry Canada approve their corporate structure and then have the CRTC take it all away, right before their launch (nor should it have taken over a month to come to this conclusion if it was so clear cut), all because, mostly Rogers, had a little fit and went crying to CRTC. If it was a problem in the first place, they should have stopped them at the auction, then fine it would have been more clear.

Last I checked the FCC in the US doesn't impose such law down south. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom founded in Germany. T-Mobile never took down a US based company such as AT&T or Sprint.

:werd...couldnt have said it any better.

[SirWanker]

Last I checked the FCC in the US doesn't impose such law down south. T-Mobile is a subsidiary of Deutsche Telekom founded in Germany. T-Mobile never took down a US based company such as AT&T or Sprint.

Again bull manure! The FCC is just as "transparent" as the CRTC based on this recent article : http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/05/mobile-carriers-tout-app-stores-to-fend-off-regulators/ .

Quote:"
“It is the cost to the consumer that matters, and U.S. consumers pay more for wireless service than other developed nations — an average of $506 each year, higher than the OECD9 average of $439, and way above countries such as Sweden ($246), Spain ($293), and Germany ($371),” Murray told Congress in written testimony (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/epicenter/2009/05/cu-murray-house-wireless-testimony-final-may-3-2009.pdf) (.pdf). He also noted that charges keep going up for text messaging, even though the service is virtually free for carriers to run.

The glowing reference to apps stores is also humorous, given that U.S. carriers suffocated innovation on handsets over the last 15 years by severely restricting outsiders’ access to handsets on their networks. That portion of the carriers’ so-called walled garden has only partially opened with the popularity of Apple’s app store for the iPhone."

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Somehow I doubt the EU is that much different in protectionism, based on their history with farmers' subsidies but as I'm not able to substantiate this with a source, take it with a grain of salt.............followed by a shot of tequila

[yearoftherat]

The Liberals has their say on this

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/10/30/liberals-internet-wireless-action.html

[iconicrocket]

I was looking forward to some competition and lower prices. Looks like I'm going to have to wait some more. Especially since the next gen of cellphone are coming to market this christmas season.

[hatthi]

The government shouldn't take $442 million of Globalive (Osram's) money at the auction, have Industry Canada approve their corporate structure and then have the CRTC take it all away, right before their launch (nor should it have taken over a month to come to this conclusion if it was so clear cut), all because, mostly Rogers, had a little fit and went crying to CRTC. If it was a problem in the first place, they should have stopped them at the auction, then fine it would have been more clear.

It was actually Telus that led the charge to have this investigated.

[Ex-Rolla]

Any that want to compete. So what exactly are you saying? Your telling me you rather pay more then possibly have a companies that will provide you with BETTER (that is not a doubt) services, prices, etc?

Just cause Verizon, T-Mobile, etc are huge power houses does not mean that the Canadian companies would fold. Rogers is a media empire. Rogers actually without the help of AT&T way back when, they wouldnt be where they are.

It should not matter at all who the company is owned by because CANADIANS would be working for them. Might as well make the argument, Canadians should not be allowed to have American channels cause it hurts the Canadian ones...same argument.

Competition is needed in our market that is made to prevent it. You will slowly agree as everything becomes more and more expensive. These laws were written a long time ago to protect Baby Bell at the time and have not been adjusted to the times like a lot of regulations.


Which is one of the many reasons why the CRTC exists.

[kjb86]

It was actually Telus that led the charge to have this investigated.

I thought Telus went after either DAVE or Public Mobile, while Rogers went after Wind. Nonetheless, they all had their say in it

[JovianGhost]

Another hard blow to Canadians. Not that I'm surprised. The CRTC is nothing more than a lapdog of The Big 3. They don't protect consumers as they should-- all they do is SCREW THEM, with every decision they've made in the past few years.

The Big 3 are doing this because they KNOW as soon as any competition enters the market, they're going to lose a VAST amount of their customers. I'm sure every single person on this board has a gripe with at least one of them-- from their ridiculously astronomical rates, to their third-rate customer service (why am I talking to a guy in India, who has an accent so thick I can barely understand him, about a problem I'm having here, 10,000 km away?) and their absolutely reprehensible (and as far as I'm concerned, criminal!) tactic of constantly changing things on you, like their rates, or provided services, of a CONTRACT which both parties agreed to.

It makes me sick to think of it. This LEGITIMATE company comes along, takes part in the auction, PAYS for a piece of the spectrum, gets APPROVED by one body, only to be told at the 11th hour that "Hey, sorry, your corporate structure doesn't meet our requirements, kthxby"? If it's good enough for Industry Canada, why is it not good enough for the CRTC? Do they have different criteria? If so, that's another huge hole in the system.

Besides, what does it matter if a company is Canadian-owned or not? All this Canadianism the CRTC is constantly trying to shove down our throats is ridiculous. Let the Canadian PEOPLE decide what they want.
It's the same with radio and television. A certain percentage of what a station plays has to be Canadian content. Why? This country has 1/10th of the population of the US, and produces a fraction of what our southern neighbours do. And quite frankly, their stuff is a helluva lot better.

We need to get rid of the CRTC. I strongly urge everyone to sign this petition, to help get rid of this cancer on our country, which is doing nothing but helping The Big 3 bleed Canadians dry.

http://www.dissolvethecrtc.ca/