Remote starter

[OhAxela]

I am looking for a remote starter for a 08 mazda 3 , Iam wonderign what my best option would be ? car is stick shift.

ive looked at compustar and viper systems but can seem to decide which is best. the range iam looking for is up to 300 meters max since I park far away and want my car to be warmed up before i get in. is there any features on a starter to warm up the interior such as turning on the blower?


any input would be great

[aris]

Your better off to contact audio heaven...they do remote starts and they would be able to address your question better
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=2514

[malam]

Agree - contact Audio Heaven. I was there yesterday to have a remote starter installed. The guys there are the BEST - and will take care to explain your options to you. I decide on the Viper 5901 2-Way remote. Whatever brand you decide to get, I would recommend you get a 2-way unit.

[drey]

just to comment, the 2-way compustar remotes are a little big. both viper and compustar alarms are what audioheaven probably recommends but see if you like the viper remotes. usually they're a little slimmer.

[WingZero_]

Futureshop, 149$ Nordicstart. I have one on my 2010 Manual Tranny.

[aris]

I was at future shop and i got quoted $491 tax in for a computstar 2way system for my 08 3 with manual...

Has anyone had any issues with compustar?? i am not sure if i should get a viper one intead

[McGuyver_3]

I was at future shop and i got quoted $491 tax in for a computstar 2way system for my 08 3 with manual...

Has anyone had any issues with compustar?? i am not sure if i should get a viper one intead

compustar is an awesome unit but stay the hell away from future shop best buy or canadian tire installing it for you

[OhAxela]

i wouldent trust canadian tire to even change a flat tire

[aris]

compustar is an awesome unit but stay the hell away from future shop best buy or canadian tire installing it for you

realy the guys in Belleville seem to know what their doing..they are weeks in advance booked..and i have never heard anything negative about them at the Belleville location..(future shop)

Also do you think $491 tax in is alot or no...i pm Audio Heaven about one of their but i haven't heard back from them yet

[McGuyver_3]

realy the guys in Belleville seem to know what their doing..they are weeks in advance booked..and i have never heard anything negative about them at the Belleville location..(future shop)

Also do you think $491 tax in is alot or no...i pm Audio Heaven about one of their but i haven't heard back from them yet

i am not a firm beleiver in FS BB or CT touching my car for anything i dont care how booked out they are there are some horror stories about those stores working on cars and no way will i give them a chance. As for the alarm which compustar unit are they offering? they know about the bypass module needed for the key and if they do i suggest you get them to get you the good bypass where you do NOT need a spare key

[aris]

i am not a firm beleiver in FS BB or CT touching my car for anything i dont care how booked out they are there are some horror stories about those stores working on cars and no way will i give them a chance. As for the alarm which compustar unit are they offering? they know about the bypass module needed for the key and if they do i suggest you get them to get you the good bypass where you do NOT need a spare key

the one they are offering is the compustar 2way remote car star 2wshlcdsf and and they got the one where i don't need the key...all i have to do is bring both keys to them to program.

I'll brake down price

remote start $249
bypass module $80
clutch bypass $50
keyless entry $50
$5
=$434 plus tax

which =$491

[McGuyver_3]

I dont see that model number showing up the clutch bypass is a load of shit because the compustar is a sequence and there is no need for any additional work. On the remote start module itself it has a lupe to cut for auto or leave it whole for mannual. the last time i did it on my 3 i hooked up a wire to the clutch for the remote starter and it worked flwalessly. The starter does NOT work unless you go through the following sequence come to a stop pull the handbreak leave in nuetral pull the key out **car WILL stay running** until all 4 doors are closed REemote starter knows its safe to start.
The keyless entry is a hunk of crap to all they have to do is tap in to the lock and unlock wires which disarm and rearm the factory alarmI would ask them about that

[aris]

I dont see that model number showing up the clutch bypass is a load of shit because the compustar is a sequence and there is no need for any additional work. On the remote start module itself it has a lupe to cut for auto or leave it whole for mannual. the last time i did it on my 3 i hooked up a wire to the clutch for the remote starter and it worked flwalessly. The starter does NOT work unless you go through the following sequence come to a stop pull the handbreak leave in nuetral pull the key out **car WILL stay running** until all 4 doors are closed REemote starter knows its safe to start.
The keyless entry is a hunk of crap to all they have to do is tap in to the lock and unlock wires which disarm and rearm the factory alarmI would ask them about that

I'm going to go in the morning to local guy that has a shop and he does remote starts and he's been doing car alarms etc for over 20 years and he built my boxes for my subs and put my alarm in my truck....and see what he charges..i just hope that he does manual transmissons now cause a few years ago he would not do it.

And then i'm going to go back to future shop and ask him why he wants $50 to bypass the clutch

Also my car does not have alarm...i got keyless entry and i wanted to be able to use the remote to lock my doors during the winter months and use my factory remote for summer that way i'm not caring 2 remotes

[McGuyver_3]

im not following you here you have oem keyless but no alarm and in winter you want to be able to lock and unlcok your doors with the compustar which even if you have a 2 way will still incorporate a unlock and lock feature. The difference that makes it an "alarm and remote start" literally is just the siren. Other then that the 2 are pretty much the same. and really to hook up 2 extra wires for the unlock and lock feature is a little rediculous imo

[aris]

im not following you here you have oem keyless but no alarm and in winter you want to be able to lock and unlcok your doors with the compustar which even if you have a 2 way will still incorporate a unlock and lock feature. The difference that makes it an "alarm and remote start" literally is just the siren. Other then that the 2 are pretty much the same. and really to hook up 2 extra wires for the unlock and lock feature is a little rediculous imo

My car is a GS and i don't think that these cars cae with factory alarms if it was a GS??

OK let me explain i don't want to care the factory remote and the remote start remote on me.

I wanted them to add them to make the keyless entry work on the remote start remote so that way during the winter i am only going to use that remote to unlock and lock my doors.....and once summer hits i don't use the remote start during the summer so i am going to start to use my factory remote.

[McGuyver_3]

Yea i get that but you dont need a seperate module for the unlock and lock the remote starter will have the capability of doing this aswell. The way they distinguish ALarm and remote start versus rmote start is if it has a siren or not. I have a 1 way remote starter installed on my moms truck and it still has the capability of unlocking and locking the car without the oem remote. Where is the 50$ charge comming from. They still have to hook up the door, dome, tach all the ignition starter wiring etc etc and for them to go in to the drivers kick panel and tap in the 2 wires to unlock and lock the car through the compustar unit why is there a 50$ charge?

[aris]

Yea i get that but you dont need a seperate module for the unlock and lock the remote starter will have the capability of doing this aswell. The way they distinguish ALarm and remote start versus rmote start is if it has a siren or not. I have a 1 way remote starter installed on my moms truck and it still has the capability of unlocking and locking the car without the oem remote. Where is the 50$ charge comming from. They still have to hook up the door, dome, tach all the ignition starter wiring etc etc and for them to go in to the drivers kick panel and tap in the 2 wires to unlock and lock the car through the compustar unit why is there a 50$ charge?

I have no idea why they charge the $50..i thought they had to pull the door panels off and that's why they charge that amount..i'm going to ask tomorrow before i got to work to see wht they want $50 for the powerdoor locks and $50 for the clutch bypass

[McGuyver_3]

What would they remove door panels for unless they are putting speakers in lol

[aris]

What would they remove door panels for unless they are putting speakers in lol

Some cars you have too.my dad dodge ram last year when my brother installed his remote start and keyless entry my borther had to remove the door panels to do this..so some cars have to have the door panels removed.


I bought it at future shop today $491 tax in..........i went to the local guy and he wanted almost $800 for it:loco

[McGuyver_3]

Hmm the price isn't bad but I'd still like to know what they are charging for the keyless and bypass for but enjoy it when you get it

[selective sound]

Some cars you have too.my dad dodge ram last year when my brother installed his remote start and keyless entry my borther had to remove the door panels to do this..so some cars have to have the door panels removed.


I bought it at future shop today $491 tax in..........i went to the local guy and he wanted almost $800 for it:locoIs that price installed with all the features?

If you need it installed we can do it for you.

Thanks
Davis

[McGuyver_3]

Is that price installed with all the features?

If you need it installed we can do it for you.

Thanks
Davis


if i understand it correctly he has already gone to go do it but i could be wrong

[aris]

Is that price installed with all the features?

If you need it installed we can do it for you.

Thanks
Davis

Yes installed with all the features

if i understand it correctly he has already gone to go do it but i could be wrong

Yes today i bought it and next tuseday it geting intalled

[McGuyver_3]

well hope you enjoy it :D i know i miss mine lol

[MRT_MS3]

remote start $249
bypass module $80
clutch bypass $50
keyless entry $50
$5
=$434 plus tax


This is pure bullshit coz a good shop charges you with one price. A shop that give you a list is usually after your money. Customers that don't know shit about remote starters usually fall for this. Clutch bypass is not a module that they install. Its either use with a relay or directly from the starter wire. Keyless entry is also installed with either one or two wires. They both take 10 mins to install if you they know what their doing.


Some cars you have too.my dad dodge ram last year when my brother installed his remote start and keyless entry my borther had to remove the door panels to do this..so some cars have to have the door panels removed.


You do know that all the wires from the doors are usually loomed through the side of the car. The wires need to get inside somehow. If you look at the hinges, you'll see either a black loomed or a plastic tube filled with wires. This is where a diagram sheet for the car comes really handy. I've never done or seen a car where you have remove the door panels just to get to the lock/unlock trigger wire.

[aris]

This is pure bullshit coz a good shop charges you with one price. A shop that give you a list is usually after your money. Customers that don't know shit about remote starters usually fall for this. Clutch bypass is not a module that they install. Its either use with a relay or directly from the starter wire. Keyless entry is also installed with either one or two wires. They both take 10 mins to install if you they know what their doing.
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Well i talked to audio Heaven also and they wanted $400 + tax to do it for the same unit...and future shop wants $434 + tax to do it.

Their are not that much diiference in price...The only reason why i am doing it with future shop is cause i am 1.5 hours east of audio heaven and for the differnce it's not worth it for my to get it from audio Heaven

[McGuyver_3]

I know you say you are 1.5 hours away but with all honesty I would bring my car to audio heaven or lock down instal it for me before I let fs bb or ct touch my ride

[aris]

I know you say you are 1.5 hours away but with all honesty I would bring my car to audio heaven or lock down instal it for me before I let fs bb or ct touch my ride

Ct never would touch my car....I don't even like the dealer working on my car...The guy that is going to be installing it on my car is in his early 30's or late 30's and he's been doing it for years. And last year when my bro was intalling a remote start in his gf mom's car he ran into some issues with it and he went to future shop and talked to the guy that is stalling it in my car and they guy helped him out big time and the guy seemed to know what he was doing

[kevcol74]

There is only one guy I would let install a remote start for me if its aftermarket, and he happens to be a Canadian Tire Tech. Any other tech in that place, not a snowballs chance in hell. You have to make sure you get someone that knows what they are doing, and with CT, FS or BB, you never know unless you know them personally. If I didn't know this tech personally, i'd never consider CT.
That being said, if my car is under warranty, I'll let the dealer do it in order not to risk my warranty. Outside warranty, as mentioned above.

[aris]

That being said, if my car is under warranty, I'll let the dealer do it in order not to risk my warranty. Outside warranty, as mentioned above.

The dealer contracts it out if the car has a manual transmission.

Also the people at my dealer ship srewed up my car and i have not been back since they fixed it..i change my own oil now..the only time i plan on been back at the dealer is if it warranty work

[kevcol74]

The dealer contracts it out if the car has a manual transmission.

Also the people at my dealer ship srewed up my car and i have not been back since they fixed it..i change my own oil now..the only time i plan on been back at the dealer is if it warranty work

But do you really want the headache of "Someone installed an aftermarket part, we won't honour warranty on this part" just for saving a hundred bucks or so? I WAS going to get one installed on my escape, through the dealer. But, now that I have no warranty left, I will go elsewhere.... though I have no plans to do it anyways. I'll run out in the cold and start the car myself, I don't need a starter... :chuckle

[aris]

But do you really want the headache of "Someone installed an aftermarket part, we won't honour warranty on this part" just for saving a hundred bucks or so? I WAS going to get one installed on my escape, through the dealer. But, now that I have no warranty left, I will go elsewhere.... though I have no plans to do it anyways. I'll run out in the cold and start the car myself, I don't need a starter... :chuckle

My warranty is almost up...

[McGuyver_3]

Kevcol: I checked dealer pricing for instal with unit and everything from the dealer for my 10 3 and after taxes I was looking at lose to 1000$. I have received price quotes substantially less then that. Like stress the dealer contracts it out as they don't have an oem starter for the 10's yet. The Mazda units are not even 2 way paging :(

Aristeidis: if you trust him that's what counts then go for I man

[aris]

Kevcol: I checked dealer pricing for instal with unit and everything from the dealer for my 10 3 and after taxes I was looking at lose to 1000$. I have received price quotes substantially less then that. Like stress the dealer contracts it out as they don't have an oem starter for the 10's yet. The Mazda units are not even 2 way paging :(

Aristeidis: if you trust him that's what counts then go for I man

That's crazy almost $1000.


Tuesday mine get's installed...

[kevcol74]

Thats crazy!! But, I was lookinng into my Escape and was quoted about $400 from the dealer. That was a couple years after we bought it....

[aris]

Thats crazy!! But, I was lookinng into my Escape and was quoted about $400 from the dealer. That was a couple years after we bought it....

Dan car is standard...that's why it so pricy at the dealer casue they contract it out.

Automatic they do and it's plug in if i'm not mistaken and it's around $299 or $399 i can't rember exactly and labour is extra..

[McGuyver_3]

Yeah tell me about it hence I am not going through the dealer but I have a person who is doing mine soon. This person is also contracted by dealers.

[aris]

Yeah tell me about it hence I am not going through the dealer but I have a person who is doing mine soon. This person is also contracted by dealers.

I talked to joe last winter when i wanted to install it and he told me as long as the remote start doesn't cause the problem then mine warranty will fine.

If you don't mind me asking which remote start did you get or getting and how much is it going to cost you after everything..if you want you can pm me

[McGuyver_3]

Dan car is standard...that's why it so pricy at the dealer casue they contract it out.

Automatic they do and it's plug in if i'm not mistaken and it's around $299 or $399 i can't rember exactly and labour is extra..

it is in deed standard but for the 2010 there is no oem plug and play alarm all contracted out



Thats crazy!! But, I was lookinng into my Escape and was quoted about $400 from the dealer. That was a couple years after we bought it....

yeah ford seems to relatively well at being price competative qith the starters

[McGuyver_3]

I talked to joe last winter when i wanted to install it and he told me as long as the remote start doesn't cause the problem then mine warranty will fine.

If you don't mind me asking which remote start did you get or getting and how much is it going to cost you after everything..if you want you can pm me

Looking at getting the viper 5901a don't really care much for the alarm more so interested in the remote start but since I am getting it done do it all at once lol.

[aris]

it is in deed standard but for the 2010 there is no oem plug and play alarm all contracted out


I was getting my info from andrew from oakville mazda he said that for the automatic their is a oem one

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

they are now available (auto only)

$466.18 installed for TM3 members

*not aftermarket or off-brand, MAZDA OEM

905-827-4242

[Burner]

Whoever installs it, make sure that you keep the invoice with the VIN of the car recorded on it.

I have a friend that had a Compustar installed on his Integra GSR by a shop that was recommended by a lot of people (can't remember the name). All was fine with it until he hit the start button by accident while he was walking out of a bowling alley. It was in gear. Next thing we saw was his driverless car rolling through the parking lot while he chased after it. It ran over a median and hit a tree.

It was absolutely hilarious! Except for him.

[McGuyver_3]

That doesn't make sense because with compustar and a mannual transmission you have to leave the car in neutral pull the ebrake remove the key car stays running open door get out close all doors car will shut down and lock on it's ownsend a signal to the brain I am ok to start. Sounds like your buddies car was hooked up like an automatic which doesn't make sense

[McGuyver_3]

I was getting my info from andrew from oakville mazda he said that for the automatic their is a oem one

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

they are now available (auto only)

$466.18 installed for TM3 members

*not aftermarket or off-brand, MAZDA OEM

905-827-4242

Yes for 04-09 there is an oem one but for 2010 i havent heard of an oem yet. As far as i know they are all outsourced for 2010. But if this is true that there is one for the auto then i would hook up the auto and do the clutch bypass like its done on the previous models on mazda3forums tutorial lo. But then again i like my 2 way paging

[kevcol74]

Whoever installs it, make sure that you keep the invoice with the VIN of the car recorded on it.

I have a friend that had a Compustar installed on his Integra GSR by a shop that was recommended by a lot of people (can't remember the name). All was fine with it until he hit the start button by accident while he was walking out of a bowling alley. It was in gear. Next thing we saw was his driverless car rolling through the parking lot while he chased after it. It ran over a median and hit a tree.

It was absolutely hilarious! Except for him.

That there is the reason I will NEVER install a remote start on a Manual tranny. What if someone was walking right in front of that car when he "accidently" hit the button?? Its happened before, and the CT I used to work at won't install them for that reason. Yes, installed right, it shouldn't start in gear. But if its installed based on the ebrake, then lift the ebrake up one notch.... Does that engage the ebrake? No. Does it fool the starter system? Yes.

As you can see, I'm not really a fan or car starters...lol

[McGuyver_3]

Kevkol the compustar HAS to be in nuetral the car stays running until all doors are shut with the ebrake pulled and the module locks the car after turning the car off. You cannot put the car in gear and pull up the ebrake without it hopping and stalling. It is a good system

[kevcol74]

If the ebrake is only up one notch/click, it won't hold the car, hence fooling the system. Maybe it was accidental leaving the car, or whatever.... Just saying, its not fool proof.
I'm also talking about 10 years ago, so I don't know if electronics in cars have switches now to recognize the manual tranny is actually in neutral. If so, great!

[McGuyver_3]

You are not following what I am saying when you go to park put the transmission in to neutral pull the handbrake let go of all the pedals. Pull the key out here's the part I think you missed THE CAR WILL STAY RUNNING open your door get out of the car mind you the car is still running all your passengers get out shut the doors. Once all doors are shut the CAR WILL SHUT DOWN the doors will lock. Do you understand now why I say iris fool proof?

[kevcol74]

You are not following what I am saying when you go to park put the transmission in to neutral pull the handbrake let go of all the pedals. Pull the key out here's the part I think you missed THE CAR WILL STAY RUNNING open your door get out of the car mind you the car is still running all your passengers get out shut the doors. Once all doors are shut the CAR WILL SHUT DOWN the doors will lock. Do you understand now why I say iris fool proof?

I think the light bulb just went on! lol :blush Gotcha now, that makes sense. Like I said, 10 years ago it was a much different system for manuals, the CT stores that DID install them had the customers sign a liability waiver.
Seems like a bit of a pain at first, but I guess you'd get used to it.... I still wouldn't install one myself. I was born in Canada, I can handle the cold....lol

[McGuyver_3]

Lol it's all good I wouldn't touch any other alarm other then a compustar or maybe a viper as both of those companies are well known and are relatively the same in security with the starting feature. It's not about being able to take the cold it's just the convenience of knowing you can get in to a nice warm car :chuckle

[kevcol74]

I've toyed with it with my Escape for the wifey, especially now that we have a 7 month old.... But its not a priority, and they don't really go too far without me anyways. I've always understood the convenience factor, just never been a priority for me, i have better things to spend extra cash on.... like home theatre....lol

[aris]

Yes for 04-09 there is an oem one but for 2010 i havent heard of an oem yet. As far as i know they are all outsourced for 2010. But if this is true that there is one for the auto then i would hook up the auto and do the clutch bypass like its done on the previous models on mazda3forums tutorial lo. But then again i like my 2 way paging

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=39095


That doesn't make sense because with compustar and a mannual transmission you have to leave the car in neutral pull the ebrake remove the key car stays running open door get out close all doors car will shut down and lock on it's ownsend a signal to the brain I am ok to start. Sounds like your buddies car was hooked up like an automatic which doesn't make sense


Kevkol the compustar HAS to be in nuetral the car stays running until all doors are shut with the ebrake pulled and the module locks the car after turning the car off. You cannot put the car in gear and pull up the ebrake without it hopping and stalling. It is a good system

+1 to everything you just said..cause when i had a remote start in my one car that was manual their was no way that the car could have been left in gear and the car start....hell even if i wanted to get back in my car i would have to start it with remote start other wise if i opened the door it would shut down the remote start

[aris]

I've toyed with it with my Escape for the wifey, especially now that we have a 7 month old.... But its not a priority, and they don't really go too far without me anyways. I've always understood the convenience factor, just never been a priority for me, i have better things to spend extra cash on.... like home theatre....lol

For me this is a Christams present from my parents....it was either me lower my car or get this and i decided i want a remote start instead..lol

[McGuyver_3]

Lol good call I am getting the remote start soon have to negotiate with the rents with the Christmas gift to though and finish this bloody schooling lol

[MRT_MS3]

With the compustar/viper remote starter system, the only way you could screw it up is if you leave the windows open. Once you set the car in reservation mode on a manual car, if someone were to reach inside and trip your shifter, the car WILL start in gear. If you have this system, NEVER leave your windows open if you plan to remote start the car. I still think its safe and I think it falls into the installer to explain/teach how the actual system works.

I know right, who opens their windows on winter? Some people likes to use their remote starter also in summer to cool the car.

[McGuyver_3]

it doesnt work so well in the summer mainly a winter commodity. I tend to drive with my windiows open all the time in summer i hate ac lol

[aris]

With the compustar/viper remote starter system, the only way you could screw it up is if you leave the windows open. Once you set the car in reservation mode on a manual car, if someone were to reach inside and trip your shifter, the car WILL start in gear. If you have this system, NEVER leave your windows open if you plan to remote start the car. I still think its safe and I think it falls into the installer to explain/teach how the actual system works.


I don't plan on using the remote start in the summer..only the winter:)

But your right on leaving the windows closed if you have it set..that way no one could put it in gear on you

[Chester_Lampwick]

Yes for 04-09 there is an oem one but for 2010 i havent heard of an oem yet. As far as i know they are all outsourced for 2010. But if this is true that there is one for the auto then i would hook up the auto and do the clutch bypass like its done on the previous models on mazda3forums tutorial lo. But then again i like my 2 way paging

Just to clarify, Mazda has a remote start unit for the 2010 model. The part number is 0000-8F-L40 for push button start models, and 0000-8F-L46 for those without. It's a one-way single button remote, that does not incorporate door locks, trunk, or panic. It is not what you could call plug and play. It involves tapping several wires from different harnesses with insulation displacement connectors. The bare unit sells for between $240 and $300USD.

I don't like it. There's no advantage to keeping it Mazda in this instance. Might as well go after-market for better price and features.

[McGuyver_3]

well that defeats the whole purpose of an alarm and remote start its deffinatly not worth it in that case

[OhAxela]

With the compustar/viper remote starter system, the only way you could screw it up is if you leave the windows open. Once you set the car in reservation mode on a manual car, if someone were to reach inside and trip your shifter, the car WILL start in gear. If you have this system, NEVER leave your windows open if you plan to remote start the car. I still think its safe and I think it falls into the installer to explain/teach how the actual system works.

I know right, who opens their windows on winter? Some people likes to use their remote starter also in summer to cool the car.


the car wont start if its in gear period, if u try to remote start it while it is in gear it will give u an error message saying what is wrong, theres steps to turn on the car such as first car must be in neutral than feet on brake and pull emergency brake up, after this is set if u touch something it voids it out meaning it will not start,

[OhAxela]

I dont know why I cant edit but this applies to both Compustar all Pro series and Viper 5501,5901 and 5902

[McGuyver_3]

Yeah but they are saying if you follow that sequence and leave the windows open someone shoves it in gear after the sequence is set I doubt it will be smart enough to know to not start the car. It went through the sequence it knows its ok windows were down someone throws it in gear you try to start it its gonna hop

[McGuyver_3]

as for your editing i think you need atleast 50 post count to edit and the editing is only good for like a 12 or 24 hour period as we have had some issues with this on the board

[OhAxela]

i actually called directed regarding this , the option completly voids out if its in gear even if the window is open and someone comes and shoves it in gear.

for a manual car its not just u click one button and ur car is on, theres so many steps to it as I said above, any one of these steps not followed results in the car communication with the 2 way remote and telling it something is wrong, even if ur car is set on timer on mode which is for example ur car is set to start every morning at 6 am it still wont start.

heres what the manual for 5902 says

Manual Transmission Start (MTS mode)

When installed into a manual transmission vehicle, the system requires
that the MTS mode is properly set when parking. If MTS mode is not
properly set or is defeated after being properly set the system will
not start the engine and the REMOTE START NOT AVAILABLE screen and
tones play as an alert.

1. With the engine running, set the parking brake and leave the
engine running. For Pit Stop or Turbo Timer mode (to leave the
engine running after arming) open the driver door.

2. Release the foot brake (if pressed during Step 1), or press and
release the foot brake anytime. As long as the engine is running
there is no time limit to perform this step.

3. Within 20 seconds of foot brake release, press any command
button on the remote, after 20 seconds return to Step 2 (For Turbo
Timer Mode, press the optional dash mounted activation button
or send the Timer Mode command from the Advanced Start menu

[OhAxela]

http://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/OG/Viper/G5902V%202009-07web2.pdf

[McGuyver_3]

That is very interesting to know as far as i know the compustar pro did not have that feature as that was my alarm and remote start in my last car

[OhAxela]

its only on the pro series compustar as far as I know and on the viper from what i know its the 5501 5901 and 5902, its also got the antri grind technology so if u get in ur car while its remote started and turn the key it wont grind

[McGuyver_3]

thats not true i had the pro and it did grind i know because i sometimes forgot the cart wass already running lol. but i am probably going to get a viper one put in next probably the 5901 i dont need the colour version

[OhAxela]

forgot to mention it says in the manual of the 5901 that it must be installed, some relay thing,

Starter Kill: The Failsafe starter kill relay prevents the engine from
starting

Note May require additional parts and installation

it must be installed so iam guessing there is an extra part or wire? anyone know if this comes with it or its extra?

[McGuyver_3]

On the compustars you have 2 relays that are prewired in to the harness already one is for the starter kill and the other is for the anti grind. Never hook up the starter kill though as i have heard some horror stories of them

[Auto-Links]

Please do not go to future shop/bb, unless you want to get ripped off.
$450 for a remote starter on a m3 is ridiculous.
And please don't buuy any low brand units, viper, compustar, clifford are the best . Don't use anything less.


Audio heaven, selective sound, or us, we are the top shops in toronto will get it done for at least $100 less.
The $50 they charge for power locks. wow. 2 wires.
$50 clutch bypass. 1 wire connection.
I wouldn't be suprised if they charge extra to have the parking lights flash.


REGARDING THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION REMOTE START:

The system is NOT FOOL PROOF.
MOST cars, almost ALL CARS do not have any neutral switch sensor. You have to follow the procedure to SET the remote starter into safety mode. (key off, door open/close, lock) then the car will shut down and enter safety mode.

IT IS THE OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY to make sure all the windows are closed and no one is in the car. (Pets, etc) If the car is pushed into gear and you hit the button, the car WILL STILL TRY TO START. The only way the sequence is cancelled if something is opened (door/hood/trunk) and then you have to restart the sequence.




hope that helps.
Thank you,
John

[OhAxela]

so the starter kill doesent work ?

[aris]

Please do not go to future shop/bb, unless you want to get ripped off.
$450 for a remote starter on a m3 is ridiculous.
And please don't buuy any low brand units, viper, compustar, clifford are the best . Don't use anything less.


Audio heaven, selective sound, or us, we are the top shops in toronto will get it done for at least $100 less.
The $50 they charge for power locks. wow. 2 wires.
$50 clutch bypass. 1 wire connection.
I wouldn't be suprised if they charge extra to have the parking lights flash.



In my case future shop is the palce for me....i would love to go to one of your guys shop but since i am from Belleville and not from toronto area it is not convient for me to drive to toronto area to have this done only to save $90 IMO

Could you price out a compustar for me installed on a manual..the one that i bought is a 2way with 3000 range..what would be your pirce a unit like that..probaly not much difference

[McGuyver_3]

so the starter kill doesent work ?

No no the starter kill does work BUT i have heard of horror stories of cars not starting because of them when they start to malfunction down the line.

[OhAxela]

lifetime warranty at Audio Heaven, Selective and auto links, no need to worry about that,

[McGuyver_3]

I know that but it's still a hassle I'd rather bypass it for no hassle lol

[MRT_MS3]

Starter Kill: The Failsafe starter kill relay prevents the engine from
starting The starter kill functions only when the cars alarm is tripped. This is why experience installers hide this particular relay. If by any chance your car is being "hot wired", they won't be able to because of the starter kill.


thats not true i had the pro and it did grind i know because i sometimes forgot the cart wass already running lol. but i am probably going to get a viper one put in next probably the 5901 i dont need the colour version You wired this wrong.


Never hook up the starter kill though as i have heard some horror stories of them Its only a relay but it has to be wired right. The horror stories you hear are probably the relay burning out. Relays does this and its just a matter of replacing it like a fuse.


Please do not go to future shop/bb, unless you want to get ripped off.
$450 for a remote starter on a m3 is ridiculous.
And please don't buuy any low brand units, viper, compustar, clifford are the best . Don't use anything less.


Audio heaven, selective sound, or us, we are the top shops in toronto will get it done for at least $100 less.
The $50 they charge for power locks. wow. 2 wires.
$50 clutch bypass. 1 wire connection.
I wouldn't be suprised if they charge extra to have the parking lights flash.


REGARDING THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION REMOTE START:

The system is NOT FOOL PROOF.
MOST cars, almost ALL CARS do not have any neutral switch sensor. You have to follow the procedure to SET the remote starter into safety mode. (key off, door open/close, lock) then the car will shut down and enter safety mode.

IT IS THE OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY to make sure all the windows are closed and no one is in the car. (Pets, etc) If the car is pushed into gear and you hit the button, the car WILL STILL TRY TO START. The only way the sequence is cancelled if something is opened (door/hood/trunk) and then you have to restart the sequence.
Everything you said is 100% correct. I can tell you know what your doing :)


No no the starter kill does work BUT i have heard of horror stories of cars not starting because of them when they start to malfunction down the line. Again, its just a relay. Its a matter of replacing it if somehow it stops working. As long as you can disarm the brain, you will not be left stranded. If the starter kill relays fails, you can still start the car manually. This is with everything installed correctly.

[McGuyver_3]

The starter kill functions only when the cars alarm is tripped. This is why experience installers hide this particular relay. If by any chance your car is being "hot wired", they won't be able to because of the starter kill.

You wired this wrong.

Its only a relay but it has to be wired right. The horror stories you hear are probably the relay burning out. Relays does this and its just a matter of replacing it like a fuse.


Again, its just a relay. Its a matter of replacing it if somehow it stops working. As long as you can disarm the brain, you will not be left stranded. If the starter kill relays fails, you can still start the car manually. This is with everything installed correctly.

I understand its just a relay but its a hassle to go through and not worth it if you rely on the car. I travel alot and cannot afford to have a relay fry burn out break whatever on me. Working at a dealer i have seen many cars when i was at nissan with the kill starts with the brains disabled and the kill starts were still the problem. As for my anti grind god knows what went wrong there that car had a few accidents aswell which could have caused its issues aswell

[Tokic_o]

Got the Zenesis 502 Alarm + Starter. No complaints, great system!!

[OhAxela]

did you read the Wrx Sti thread before you purchased the Zenesis.....?

[Tokic_o]

did you read the Wrx Sti thread before you purchased the Zenesis.....?

did you read selective sound (or was it another sponsor who installed it for them?) response on TM3? It's a great system and it worked like how an alarm system should work. Honestly, if the guy had a compustar or a Viper it would be very similar.

[aris]

did you read selective sound (or was it another sponsor who installed it for them?) response on TM3?

it was slective sound

[Tokic_o]

it was slective sound

thanks for the clarification

[aris]

thanks for the clarification

No problem

[OhAxela]

selective sound or not the unit it self is crap, the company is new on the market and you just dont come out with an amazing product with zero problems. There is the battery issue which supposedly is fixed according to there company tech line but theres also range issue which is not realistic and quality of remote which is poorly made, give them 3-4 years and they should have everything sorted out.

[OhAxela]

sorry cant edit so i have to use a new post, before someone says well no remote can get 5000 feet range in the city this is true out of a max 5000 feet you might get 3000 feet range but this unit gets 1000feet out of a possible 5000 feet so ur paying for nothing, theres lots of articles on google about zeneis, the remotes look amazing but quality is just not there yet

[OhAxela]

Auto Links on the Subaru forum


Great review.

I am glad I followed my instinct and decided to stick with what we know THAT WORKS. (We were approached by zenisis many times trying to sell there products)

COMPUSTAR
VIPER
CLIFFORD

TRIED & TESTED.

If I can just add my 2cents to this review, and my take on alarms as we have them now:

Remote -size/style/battery
Yes, why is it that we are almost in 2010, and the remotes are STILL the same size as when compustar first came out with a 2way system in 1997??? Strange. They have cell phones almost the same size as some of the 2wayremotes. But with what there is available now, you have to trade-off carrying a bigger remote for the peace of mind for your baby. Otherwise you go 1way, but then that defeats the whole purpose of having the alarm to begin with.
RECHARGABLE REMOTES - Very important now. I don't know how you can go through (14)???? batteries in 6 months?? Thats ridiculous. Your lucky the remote even works with rechargables. If you try a rechargable or noname battery in the compustar pro 2way remotes they won't work properly. All the new DEI(viper/clifford/python) remotes are now rechargable.

Z-PASS(Zenisis) / Knock-sensor(Compustar)
Great idea whoever thought of the idea... but..
1- As the OP mentioned, any thief/potential thief obviously knows the car alarm business. They see your knock/pass on your windshield , first off you have ALREADY TOLD THEM that a) HI I HAVE AN ALARM this is the brand and b) KNOCK Here and if I don't come I'm not around! c) Stupid kids walking by and you got this sticker that says knock here!!!! d) blue lights are not in style anymore. get this stupid flashing thing off my windshield. Not to mention, who knows if there is a master code to these things? You buy an alarm to protect your car. Why even give someone the chance to crack into your alarm.

RANGE
Don't know what to say about Zenisis, but I have been dealing with Compustar for over 10 years, and viper for about 5. Compustar I know the range is great, they have been using the same FM technology since day 1 and it has never failed. DEI in recent years has claimed 1 mile range with their SST antennas and I have nothing but good reviews from my customers. I have just installed the new HD responder in my car and will soon find out for myself. Please factor in your location and conditions when considering range.

Functionality
Sorry to hear that the alarm did not do what it needed to do. Please keep in mind the alarm is ONLY A DETERRENT!!! We tell every customer there is only so much it can do, if someone really wants your car or whats on it they will get it.
Almost all mid-high end alarms have many standard features now, make sure when shopping for an alarm that THEY ARE ALL CONNECTED (where applicable)
-ALL ENTRY POINT PROTECTION (door/hood/trunk!!!!) as sick as it sounds, many stupid shops charge extra for this
-shock/vibration sensor
-light flash
-siren &/or horn (we normally give the customer the option for both, especially you subaru guys love the hella horns in combo with the siren, your car is sure to be heard)
-power lock/power trunk
-turbo timer
-functional remotes with clock, in cabin temperature, remote start running time, parking meter timer, etc.
-option selections through remote (sensor bypass, mute on/off, timer start, etc)
-convenience features (window roll up, remote start, etc)

Customer service
I never met Davis personally, but have spoken many times and seems to be a top guy. You can't go wrong if you go with any of the best vendors in toronto, Selective, Audio heaven, us!!!!!!!!! Customer service over product/service quality.

My conclusion

Compustar: SOLID. I had the second model that came out back in 99 or whenever, the 2WFM-AS, this went through 3 CARS with me over 7 or 8 years, no problem no glitches EVER. The 2w900FM remotes did have a problem a few years back when the remotes would reset over and over again but aside from that these guys are in the top3. My 2wfm remote was SO BANGED UP the antenna broke off, the screen was cracked, it was split in half but still worked 100 %. There remotes are a little outdated now (no one wants to look at this ugly car on the screen anymore guys come on) but i'm sure the guys at firstech are right on this.

Viper/clifford/python: Have stepped up . They have always been behind compustar a bit, but in recent years have gotten much better. Remote response time is still a few seconds behind compustar. Range is supposed to be better ( i have yet to test) , remotes are definately styled better. Now have full colour HD remotes.

Zenisis: .... ^^^

Autostart: not much to say about these guys, was a canadian company, bought by dei, kinda like their second line. products work great and all, good economy brand

don't do anything else. please don't go to xs cargo and buy their millenium brand. don't go to the flea market and buy a magic car. your car is your investment, spend the extra if your in the market.

BATTERY BACK UP SIREN- A MUST.
Peaceful i am not sure if you had a battery back up siren, but this is ESSENTIAL FOR ANy ALARM. don't even buy an alarm if your not putting this in. Properly installed, WILL DETER these petty thieves from whatever is in your car.


HOPE THIS HELPS!

Cheers

John
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[aris]

So far my computstar works aweosme..got it intalled today

And i made sure that the did it right the first time...So i shouldn't have any problems with his work:)

[McGuyver_3]

congrats man enjoiy and just in time the winter weather has hit lol now i have to stop procrastinating and get mine done

[aris]

congrats man enjoiy and just in time the winter weather has hit lol now i have to stop procrastinating and get mine done

I was under the assumption that i would not need to press my clutch in when i start the car manualy but i still need to press the clutch to start it

[McGuyver_3]

they dont cut the clutch wire all they do is hook up a wire to the alarm from the clutch pedal and everytime it wants to start it grounds or powers the circuit and once running releases

[aris]

they dont cut the clutch wire all they do is hook up a wire to the alarm from the clutch pedal and everytime it wants to start it grounds or powers the circuit and once running releases

Oh ok...i did not knwo that..years ago when i had a remote start in my winter beater my clutch was disconected and i didn't have to push it to start it...but that was about 5 years ago and it was a pro start from canandian tire.

So far i like the compustar..the only thing i don't like is that the doors lock as soon as the cloes the door

[McGuyver_3]

heres the trick to that leave atleast 1 door open go around to the other doors get what you need and close all your doors that way the car will stay running until you get everything you need obviously with the key out. Once all doors are shut car will shut down and arm the car. Just remember you have a 2-3 minute window to get everything you need without screwing up the starter sequence. If you need to get to the trunk pop the trunk with the handle or if you forgot something in the trunk unlock the car BUT DO NOT OPEN ANY DOORS ONLY THE TRUNK WITH THE MANUAL KEY get what you need close trunk rearm and the sequence should not have been disturbed. Atleast thats how my pro was

[aris]

heres the trick to that leave atleast 1 door open go around to the other doors get what you need and close all your doors that way the car will stay running until you get everything you need obviously with the key out. Once all doors are shut car will shut down and arm the car. Just remember you have a 2-3 minute window to get everything you need without screwing up the starter sequence. If you need to get to the trunk pop the trunk with the handle or if you forgot something in the trunk unlock the car BUT DO NOT OPEN ANY DOORS ONLY THE TRUNK WITH THE MANUAL KEY get what you need close trunk rearm and the sequence should not have been disturbed. Atleast thats how my pro was

ya i will do that thanka dan

[MRT_MS3]

If you need to get to the trunk pop the trunk with the handle or if you forgot something in the trunk unlock the car BUT DO NOT OPEN ANY DOORS ONLY THE TRUNK WITH THE MANUAL KEY get what you need close trunk rearm and the sequence should not have been disturbed. Atleast thats how my pro was

If you can do this, then the TRUNK trigger wire is not connected. Therefore, if anyone tries to pry your trunk open, your alarm will not trigger it. ANY DOORS that is OPENED including the trunk will CANCEL reservation mode which tells your alarms brain not to START.


Oh ok...i did not knwo that..years ago when i had a remote start in my winter beater my clutch was disconected and i didn't have to push it to start it...but that was about 5 years ago and it was a pro start from canandian tire.

So far i like the compustar..the only thing i don't like is that the doors lock as soon as the cloes the d

Clutch bypass are usually installed with a relay so your clutch pedal will function like it usually do. Some installers loop the two wires on the switch so you don't have to depress the clutch to start the car. This is a shortcut and you should stay away from installers that does this kinda work.

[aris]

If you can do this, then the TRUNK trigger wire is not connected. Therefore, if anyone tries to pry your trunk open, your alarm will not trigger it. ANY DOORS that is OPENED including the trunk will CANCEL reservation mode which tells your alarms brain not to START.


I can open my trunk and the remote start will still work...the guy said on my car he did not hook it up but if my car was a hatch he would have wired it in

[MRT_MS3]

if your OK with them not installed then I guess its all good. I just think that this is part of the installation and should be installed. The installer must have gotten lazy since he needs to run one wire from the trunk to the alarm. Its an added protection IMHO.


I can open my trunk and the remote start will still work...the guy said on my car he did not hook it up but if my car was a hatch he would have wired it in

[aris]

if your OK with them not installed then I guess its all good. I just think that this is part of the installation and should be installed. The installer must have gotten lazy since he needs to run one wire from the trunk to the alarm. Its an added protection IMHO.

You can't get in to my car from the trunk unless you open the seats from the inside of the car

[McGuyver_3]

That is not true as with my compustar pro I did have the trunk wire hooked up because if I popped the trunk before getting out and finishing the remote start sequence it alarmed me that the trunk was open but the sequence was not ruined by it. Same with unlocking the car but not opening the doors and opening the trunk and relocking did not ruin my start sequence but when I opened my trunk without unlocking the car the alarm went off. But when I had the prodecessor of the pro that one was horrible anything any movement disabled the start sequence I hated it




If you can do this, then the TRUNK trigger wire is not connected. Therefore, if anyone tries to pry your trunk open, your alarm will not trigger it. ANY DOORS that is OPENED including the trunk will CANCEL reservation mode which tells your alarms brain not to START.



Clutch bypass are usually installed with a relay so your clutch pedal will function like it usually do. Some installers loop the two wires on the switch so you don't have to depress the clutch to start the car. This is a shortcut and you should stay away from installers that does this kinda work.