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Zoom Zoom Boy
11-24-2009, 10:25 AM
For anyone concerned with this ridiculous law...

For a second time, a provincial court has put up a stop sign on the province's stunt-driving law.

A Newmarket judge threw out the stunt-driving charge laid against an 18-year-old woman who was accused by police of driving 157 km/h on Hwy. 407, near Pine Valley Dr., in March 2008.

Alexandra Drutz had pleaded not guilty to the charge, laid under Section 172 of the Highway Traffic Act.

Judge Peter West ruled the law isn't constitutional because a person charged under the legislation can't mount a defence even though the violation carries a possible penalty of six months in jail.

He released his decision last week.

In September, Judge G.J. Griffin of the Napanee provincial court overturned the conviction of Oakville's Jane Raham, 62, who was clocked at more than 50 km/h over the limit. Griffin found the conviction unconstitutional.

The province has appealed Griffin's decision to the Ontario Court of Appeal. A decision is expected in January.

Attorney General Chris Bentley yesterday called the law an important public safety initiative and said it'll continue to be enforced despite this second ruling.

"The law was brought in to save lives," Bentley said.

He said he'd be taking a look at West's ruling before deciding whether to appeal it, but added he's not planning to make any changes until the Court of Appeal rules on the Raham case.

The law gives cops the power to impound an accused speeder's car -- on the spot -- for seven days and sets fines of between $2,000 and $10,000.

Vincenzo Rondinelli, a lawyer in the Drutz case, said that despite the worthy motivations behind the law, it's flawed.

"Obviously it came on the heels of some very horrific types of crashes on our highways," Rondinelli said. "No one is going to doubt that that is a problem and we all want to fight it.

"It just has to be done in a way that meets the constitutional paramaters we have in Canada," he said.

Rondinelli and lawyer Paul Cooper successfully argued that the potential for a jail term, while remote, is an infringement of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms because the law doesn't permit the accused to mount a defence or give reasons for why they might have been speeding.

The stunt-driving law targets drivers travelling at 50 km/h over the posted speed limit.

Rondinelli said drivers shouldn't assume they can now speed without facing a harsh penalty.

The judge's ruling doesn't yet change anything and police will continue to enforce the law.

BRETT.CLARKSON@SUNMEDIA.CA

towelsnap
11-24-2009, 10:27 AM
she must have been hot

Zoom Zoom Boy
11-24-2009, 10:38 AM
she must have been hot

Ha, ha, ha... :chuckle

Gizzmo_jr
11-24-2009, 10:40 AM
more and more of these rulings are going to happen and we'll get this stupid cash cow of a law outta here

aris
11-24-2009, 11:07 AM
she must have been hot

At the age of 62:give beer and alot of it

slam525i
11-24-2009, 11:52 AM
At the age of 62:give beer and alot of it

I'm pretty sure he meant the 18 year old... but... Let's get together and buy Aris beer. This could be hilarious :pop

aris
11-24-2009, 11:57 AM
I'm pretty sure he meant the 18 year old... but... Let's get together and buy Aris beer. This could be hilarious :pop

No towelsnap meant the 62 year old...He's like's older women:chuckle

towelsnap
11-24-2009, 11:58 AM
A Newmarket judge threw out the stunt-driving charge laid against an 18-year-old woman who was accused by police of driving 157 km/h on Hwy. 407



:loco ....62?


cottage cheese?


If she didn't play the "I'm sweet look at me, I'll never do it again officer" common..... the judge eats it like candy... one of us.. would be in cuffs and being someone's bitch in jail


but common.... 50 over... that's a little much I say jail .. be smart.... HWY doesn't mean your way when it comes to speed

aris
11-24-2009, 12:02 PM
:loco ....62?


cottage cheese?


you know you like them that old:chuckle


just jk

slam525i
11-24-2009, 12:31 PM
:loco ....62?


cottage cheese?


If she didn't play the "I'm sweet look at me, I'll never do it again officer" common..... the judge eats it like candy... one of us.. would be in cuffs and being someone's bitch in jail


but common.... 50 over... that's a little much I say jail .. be smart.... HWY doesn't mean your way when it comes to speed

Towel, we'll have a Mazda3 meet... at the jail to visit you... We'll get together and buy you an inflatable donut to sit on.

But yeah, it's not the fact that's it's 50 clicks over. It's the fact that the cop doesn't have to prove it. With this law, if the cop said you did it, you did it. :loco

jonjon72
11-24-2009, 12:38 PM
Too bad they still had to be inconvenienced with having their car impounded, paying for the tow and release.

towelsnap
11-24-2009, 12:41 PM
Towel, we'll have a Mazda3 meet... at the jail to visit you... We'll get together and buy you an inflatable donut to sit on.
But yeah, it's not the fact that's it's 50 clicks over. It's the fact that the cop doesn't have to prove it. With this law, if the cop said you did it, you did it. :loco

considering I don't speed anything near that nor see the point. :bang :loco

I see your point... but you can also ask a lot of things when your pulled over , IE... "can I see the radar gun" , "when was it calibrated", can I see your notes on how fast I was going and it's also written on the ticket...... just saying..... if your doing 50+ over and your caught...and they catch you going that fast.. more than likely they are right

slam525i
11-24-2009, 01:09 PM
considering I don't speed anything near that nor see the point. :bang :loco

I was referring to the women. :chuckle

Although I suppose there's nothing illegal about you going for a 62 year old...

blackspeed3
11-24-2009, 04:24 PM
how can anyone call going 50 over "stunt driving"???? The just that title alone is as flawed as the actual law itself

bunchi
11-24-2009, 04:33 PM
hey back :OT this thread is about the 62 yr old :chuckle

Unoriginalusername
11-24-2009, 04:40 PM
die law die

DruidB
11-26-2009, 12:32 AM
I dont understand why we just cant have regular speeding tickets like we had before.... this stunt driving bs is not saving anyones life.

When a tractor trailer or dump truck is in front of you going 120km/h with a load of gravel and showering your hood/windshield with stones I will pass them as fast as possible... if that means 150km/h then so be it.

50km/h is only 30mph... 10000$ fine and six months in jail for 30mph.. that has to be one of the worst penalties for speeding anywhere... Ontario is becoming as bad as the UK

-cj-
11-26-2009, 12:44 AM
It's just a cash grab. Statistically more people die from talking on cell phones and from drunk driving then speeding.

blackspeed3
11-26-2009, 08:44 AM
Thanks Fantino!

Zoom Zoom Boy
11-26-2009, 09:33 PM
Thanks Fantino!

Hey, leave Julian alone, he is doing "God's Work" after all. His quote, not mine. :AH either way.

Noisy Crow
11-26-2009, 09:44 PM
As I have said before... the penalty really should be based on % over the limit.... 30 over in a 40km/h school zone is a whole lot different that 30 over on the 403.

JMAK74
11-26-2009, 10:48 PM
As the smart ones have figured out here, it's because the law is is violating your rights - what the law goes after is not wrong.


It's just a cash grab. Statistically more people die from talking on cell phones and from drunk driving then speeding.

If it "just a cash grab" - what would you suggest as a means of deterring excessive (50+ the speed limit) speeding?