Can't fill the tank [Archive]

hondaciviceg

12-29-2009, 06:41 PM

Hey guys new problem. Last time I went to fill the car up with gas, the nosel at the gas station kept stopping while the tank was empty starting right from the beginning. Some gas was spilt out cause of this. And I’m guessing that there has to be another opening somewhere on the gas tanks piping to allow air out for an easier fill.
What do I do?

DOES ANYONE HAVE THE BLUE PRINT TO THE MAZDA 3'S GAS TANK? I need to see where the problem is.

Thanks in advance.

condor888000

12-29-2009, 06:44 PM

Or there was a problem with the pump....

aris

12-29-2009, 06:53 PM

Try pulling the nozel out a bit..my parents used to have a car that in the winter you would have to pull out the nozel a bit to fill...try this and see if it works

Donutz

12-29-2009, 08:54 PM

Don't pull the trigger all the way; fill it up slowly and you should be fine. This happened to me once as well so I just fill it slower and everything is irie.

McGuyver_3

12-29-2009, 09:16 PM

remove the nosel and put it back in works for me. At work cars have the same issue and it was found to be something on the fuel pump sending units. Good luck trying to get the blueprints for the tank though I doubt you will find anyone who can get you that. If you mean the electrical system for it that will be relatively easy to find though

carsenault

12-29-2009, 09:17 PM

My old Neon EX did that. The filler pipe was corroded and cracked in a few spots. Im not sure about the physics but for some reason it would trip the octane sensor in the pump nozzle which releases the trigger. I had to fill it by squeezing the trigger about 60% of the way or less. Was more of a nuisance on the colder bitter winter days coz it would take twice as long to fill the tank.

I have heard about similar but unrelated problem with anopther type of car, It was a Saturn S2, the owner was a buddy of mine and they had a tendancy to over fill the tank on a regular basis. There was an overflow resevoir in this tank that would always be full of old gas because of the over filling. This old gas released enough octane to trip the pump sensor as well. I used to over fillall the time with my old car, now with my 3 I'll stop filling shortly after the first click.

pacmann33

12-30-2009, 09:49 PM

After working at Sunoco for over 5 years in my younger days I will tell you that it is 99.9% likely that the gas pump has issues. On every gas pump there is a tiny round hole in the metallic nozzle that often ices up believe it or not, or gets clogged with dirt. This tiny hole causes the pump to trip off all the time, that is usually what does it. The dirtier that little hole is, the slower the flow trip rate is(there must be an official name for this LOL...don't ask me). Backup to another pump if it severe, or just squeeze less on the trigger like suggested earlier in this thread. Also, like Aristeidis said, pull the nozzle out of the hole a lil bit too.

That HAS to be the only thing I learned by being a gas jockey...but it doesn't make up for the loss of brain cells over those years from the fumes hahaha.

hondaciviceg

12-30-2009, 10:14 PM

hey guys, Okay its not the gas stations cause i have used 3 different pumps during that past 2 days.

So today i took the car to my mechanic, and at first he showed in a flexable pipe to see if its clugged, and it got stock about a feet in. so then we put it on the lift jack and opened a plastic panel in the wheel well. and we got to the pipes. there was a thick metal pipe whick is for the gas, a thin metal pipe that came from the tank and goes into the bigger pipe all the way on the top. and the was a plastic one that came from the tank and up beside the other two, but with a filter at its end. so the plastic one and the thin metal one are to let in air for a better gas flow when pumping gas in.
Here are some pics to explain
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/hondaciviceg/DSC00532-1.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/hondaciviceg/DSC00531.jpg

CanSpeed 3

12-31-2009, 02:34 AM

-RJ3-

12-31-2009, 02:39 AM

Oakville Mazda fixed my problem.. I brought it in for service, and I asked Andrew if he can get his guys to look at it... They must have did something to fix it maybe refixing the lines or adjusting it, because when i go to pumps now, It works again.

hondaciviceg

12-31-2009, 11:51 AM

I may be wrong but that black cylinder zip-tied (i think) would that be your fuel filter? or maybe an air pressure release? Hard to see what/where im looking at with that 2nd picture. Looks like only one line goes into it.

Yes its an air pressure release and there is a filter at its end. after telling my uncle he said that i should take that filter out and gas the car, and see if it works, " he thinks its the filter, cause its a paper filter and its not letting air in" so thats my next step, ill do that when i get back from Niagara on sunday.

hondaciviceg

01-06-2010, 08:33 PM

Hi guys, This is the blue print to our gas tank, I got it from Mazda dealer
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f31/hondaciviceg/DSC00546.jpg

What could the problem be?
do you guys see any sensors in there? I think i see 2 of them.

Ekenfo

01-08-2010, 06:59 PM

I had the same problem and my mechanic changed the air pressure release hose and filter (42-56X, top right corner on the blue print) today and that solved the problem.

blankets3

01-09-2010, 02:49 AM

my bother had this same ptoblem as well ill ask him what his was just to give u another idea

hondaciviceg

01-09-2010, 11:10 AM

I had the same problem and my mechanic changed the air pressure release hose and filter (42-56X, top right corner on the blue print) today and that solved the problem.

did ur mechanic say what was wrong with it? like something stuck in there or something? my uncle is actually been telling me that its the filter on 42-56X the whole time, I think i should take that filter out and go gas the car to see if its the filter, with the filter off.

Thanks

Ekenfo

01-09-2010, 11:57 AM

Well, I saw it and the filter was full of dirt and sand.

My mechanic didn't open the cylinder, he just changed the whole part because the filter was in really bad condition...

I had some rust repaired under warranty last year and when they repainted it they sprayed paint all over the cylinder, so that didn't help... but the real problem was dirt.

hondaciviceg

01-09-2010, 10:30 PM

did ur mechanic say what was wrong with it? like something stuck in there or something? my uncle is actually been telling me that its the filter on 42-56X the whole time, I think i should take that filter out and go gas the car to see if its the filter, with the filter off.

Thanks

Okay so let me get this straight, so your mechanic changed the filter with the plastic housing that is attached to that black plastic pipe?

Ekenfo

01-09-2010, 11:55 PM

Okay so let me get this straight, so your mechanic changed the filter with the plastic housing that is attached to that black plastic pipe?

No, he changed the whole 42-56x part, which includes the filter, plastic housing and the pipe.

I don't think you can buy/order the filter or the pipe alone, you can only buy the whole part.

hondaciviceg

01-10-2010, 11:41 AM

okay im pretty sure that theirs nothing wrong with the plastic pipe so i will take out the filter and test it and see if gas will flow fine through it.

Thanks

hondaciviceg

01-27-2010, 11:53 PM

ALRIGHT, problem fixed,
some ediot dropped in 4 pieces of candy in the gas inlet pipe. so my mechanic opened up the pipe and blow it out with pressured air from the other side that he had to open.

costed me 2 days and 90$ to get it fixed. stupied ediots.

mazdilla

01-28-2010, 12:08 AM

Have enemies?

Sounds like someone was out to get ya with the old school 'sugar in the gas tank trick'. They were trying to burn out the motor, or at the very least, clog the injectors. I don't know if that old trick works with FI, but good thing the fuel backed up anyway and lead you to the problem rather quickly.

Put some fuel injector cleaner in the tank ASAP. A touch of high test gas wouldn't hurt either, as it's a longer/cleaner burn. Might want to get a locking gas cap too.

mazda lover

01-28-2010, 11:10 PM

How would someone get the gas door open from the outside if your car was locked? or was your car locked? A good reason to always lock your car no matter where you park///

Donutz

01-29-2010, 12:11 AM

How would someone get the gas door open from the outside if your car was locked? or was your car locked? A

My thought exactly.

TheMAN

01-29-2010, 12:41 AM

unless he's one of those lazy people who wished their cars were like domestics (where you can just flip the gas door open) and so use their gas door as an air brake (not close it all the way)

hondaciviceg

01-29-2010, 10:52 AM

mazda lover

01-29-2010, 11:08 AM

hondaciviceg

01-29-2010, 09:56 PM

mazdilla

01-30-2010, 03:36 PM

How would someone get the gas door open from the outside if your car was locked? or was your car locked? A good reason to always lock your car no matter where you park///

My thought exactly.

Well somebody put candy in there, right. Maybe his kids did it, or maybe the Gas Cap Fairy came to town. So, obviously the cap is attainable at certain times.

Who fawkin' knows why, when, and where it happened, what year the car is, the colour code, shoe size, and the prefered undergarments this person wears? We don't have to go into prescribing life's must-do's as to when the car should or should not be locked, or demand a detailed log of life events leading up to the dasterdly deed. Does it matter?

Can't make a resonable suggestion here, without it being disected into minute details; like in front of a grand jury!

Just play it safe and put on a locking gas cap. That should keep the fairies away.

... and lock this thread.

Signed,

The Cafinator

TheMAN

01-31-2010, 05:17 AM

well my gas door does'nt close do to the wire that pulls is open is seized. so it kinda is open all the time. that does'nt matter, seriously who does that? lol I've had cars and seen cars that dont have locking gas lids.
who does that? some punks did obviously... you didn't expect something and it happened to you... there's two ways to stop this from happening again.... fix your fuel door cable thingy, or get a locking gas cap

chrismo

03-11-2010, 12:00 PM

Same thing is happening to me for the last 5 months. There was a lot of dirt in the fuel filter thing. So my mechanic cleaned it out. That might have helped a bit - It seems like I can fill up the tank faster now without the pump clicking off - but it's still not right. Annoying problem in the winter especially.