Woman pays 66,000$ for 2010 Mazda6

[bahnbrenner]

Not sure if this has already been posted, so I apologize if it has.

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/805836--woman-pays-66-000-for-car-worth-41-000?bn=1

Outrageous (even though I don't like how the dealership seems to be receiving 100% of the blame, but that's just me).

[Mazda3X2]

Disgusting.

[Iceman_F1]

That's pretty crazy. Pretty disgusting how some people are...

[Burner]

(even though I don't like how the dealership seems to be receiving 100% of the blame, but that's just me).

Why don't you like the dealership getting all the blame? The article clearly states that the woman is intellectually disabled. Something that the Salesman and Business Manager clearly picked up on and milked her for everything in the book. I like to think that a reasonable person would put the brakes on the sale when they start looking at financing for 8 years, with a $7000 balloon payment at the end to get them to afford it. On a USED car!

It's predatory and I hope they get the book thrown at them. Including the dealership, who I whole heartedly feel deserve to lose their license for this.

[Unoriginalusername]

disgusting

[jonjon72]

This is disgusting in every way shape and form. The dealership is responsible for its employees and how they treat their customers. A manager has to sign off on all transactions thats why I presume they were also charged.

They saw a woman come in and thought it was any easy sell. A GM dealership tried the same tactic on my friend years ago who was pregnant at the time and needed to replace her car ASAP. Pressured to sign the paper work and give a deposit on a used Cavalier for 25K without even allow her to test drive. Had to go in myself a speak with the manager and have the regional rep involved. to get her money back.

[FoXy]

I vote they get kicked in the crotch! Arseholes... How does something like this even happen??

[loganm3]

Nah, no kick in the crotch. I hope they get the $100k fine AND the two years less a day in jail. When the other prisinors find out what they did, their justice will be served!

[Kevin@nextmod]

I hope those guys will get what they deserve. Fine them and jail them, then they'll think back what they did wrong. What scammers. Unbelievable.

[m_bisson]

wow. Say bye bye to all your business orangeville.

[JSI]

That is horrible, I don't know how people like that can sleep at night. I'm all for making money but how can you take advantage of someone that is mentally disabled. That should not happen in this country.

[laksman91]

that's gross..

[Ex-Rolla]

why does the name "Moe" sound familiar? I wonder if he worked at a different dealership?

[towelsnap]

Un-freakin'-believable.

Is all I can say.

+1

[Soyabean]

People these days. They will do anything for money. They should get fined, jailed, and licences taken away

[froggy]

they should get shot in the nuts with a paintball gun (a good one) at 20 feet once every 10 seconds by all the people who have ever had any dealings with that dealership. plus the woman, and her family should be allowed 10 minutes with a baseball bat to do whatever they want to to them

[Mr Wilson]

Its made it to Jalopnik

Clicky (http://jalopnik.com/5533462/dealership-charges-mentally-disabled-woman-63000-for-used-mazda)

[Unoriginalusername]

i am not sure why mazda canada wasn't more noticeably displeased with the dealer and deflected to the courts

[froggy]

i am not sure why mazda canada wasn't more noticeably displeased with the dealer and deflected to the courts


That is surprising it casts mazda canada in a very bad light. Incidents like this can have a very bad affect on public image and in turn in sales.

[Unoriginalusername]

That is surprising it casts mazda canada in a very bad light. Incidents like this can have a very bad affect on public image and in turn in sales.

x2 a lost opportunity on their part to disassociate themselves with the scum reputation of the auto industry

[mit-gee-mui]

I am sure this post was talking about the same thing. (Made 4/29/10)
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?43077-MAZDA-OF-ORANGEVILLE&p=606708&viewfull=1#post606708


In addition to the other thread posted today (5/7/10).
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?43887-Mazda-of-orangeville-charged-with-unfair-practice!&p=610408#post610408


:FYI smiley

It's interesting how we sometimes get information a few days before it hits the news and then gets blown up.




For those interested, more negative experiences from people who have been to Orangeville can be found here.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?22035-mazda-of-orangeville-(formerly-Copping-Mazda)&highlight=orangeville+SHAIKH (This is also a classic example why we can't edit after 24 hours.)
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?30787-Orangeville-Mazada-Really-Bad-Feeling&highlight=orangeville+SHAIKH
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?42694-Dealer-charging-900-for-rustproofing.-Worth-it&p=596237&viewfull=1#post596237

And I have included positive experiences as well, because it's only fair to give both sides.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?30413-Picking-up-my-new-ride-today&p=381049&viewfull=1#post381049

Both positive and negative here
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?39946-Mazda-of-Orangeville&highlight=orangeville+SHAIKH

[hincapie]

I bought from there in March....got a decent deal...traded my Jeep TJ 04 for an 07 M3 GT Sport...dealt with sales guy (older dude) and Moe....Moe was obnoxious and grew more so as i tried to press for a better trade value....finally got to close to what i wanted and bought the car.

When i went to p/u the car the next day, there was some dude in there screaming at Moe at the top of his lungs....didnt know why but i guess , now that I hear about all this crap - he deserved it.

He seemed like a snake when he was negotiating with me...but I landed on a price point (after threatening to leave 3 times) that was ok with me.

I have yet to have a good experience buying a car - ever...and i have gone though several (5 or 6)...Moe is a bit of a douche - id definitely stay away.

[omalak]

****ing disgusting.. Give them jail time. The fine and revoke their licenses.. Wow.. I have never even heard of something like this..

Where the **** are business ethics these days..


On another note.. Being south asian i think i can say never trust a brown man selling cars.. 95% of the time they are out to **** you over..

This guy moe needs to be ashamed of himself and the manager? How do you let this happen..

Mazda should fine the dealership aswell.

[jjreed1]

and we all thought Erin Mills mazda was the worst :)

[michaelm]

I read about this in the metro newspaper today and was totally shocked...
“We made a little bit of money on the deal.”- Kien Trung, business manager at Mazda of Orangeville... Freggin bs! They sold her a USED car, took her current car and made her pay over 25,000 from what she should have paid. I hope the manager and sales associate gets slapped with the maximum penalty.

[Elusivellama]

That.... is brazen as hell. How could those two have hoped to get away with it? What a pair of snakes!


On another note.. Being south asian i think i can say never trust a brown man selling cars..

Huh... a bold statement, and a broad one to be sure. I've seen snakes of all skin colours - had this one caucasian guy at Toronto Honda talk down to me like he was king shit of the dealership, like he was doing me a favor by trying to sell me a new Si at only $2000 over invoice. Had another spanish/hispanic dude at Waterloo Honda rub me the wrong way by pulling the old bait and switch on me. The business manager (white) at Direct Mazda is a condescending ass, while the sales manager (from India) at the same dealership didn't even bother to say a word to me - tried to steal my Civic for only $1500 as a trade-in for my Mazda. I ended up getting $5000 for it in a private sale.

I don't think I have yet been to a dealership where I didn't develop a dislike for one person or another - is it all dealerships where my bullshit radar is going off for one person or another?

[omalak]

meh, they are all crooks!

i just dont go to south asian sales guys in general !

i'm south asian so i'm not discriminating lol

sad to see this lady was taken advantage of in this way. you would hope these guys had some shred of morals left in them.. i guess not

[cy88]

this is sickening....ripping of a mentally disabled person. I just threw up.

[jk2jnine]

I bought my mz3 gx 2010 from the guy Moe at the dealership. I actually went to the place to check out the used car they posted on autotrader.
The car was $15000 on the website, but the guy Moe ended up asking me way more than $19000. And I felt that was a bait.

He might feel that I was about to leave, then he tried to negotiate with me with another new car which actually was a demo with 37km on it.

I ended up buying the car for $19500 with almost no option. The first price Moe suggested was 21500 for that one.

Did I buy the car OK?

[DruidB]

I bought my mz3 gx 2010 from the guy Moe at the dealership. I actually went to the place to check out the used car they posted on autotrader.
The car was $15000 on the website, but the guy Moe ended up asking me way more than $19000. And I felt that was a bait.

He might feel that I was about to leave, then he tried to negotiate with me with another new car which actually was a demo with 37km on it.

I ended up buying the car for $19500 with almost no option. The first price Moe suggested was 21500 for that one.

Did I buy the car OK?

$19500 taxes and frieght included? if so thats about right for a base gx with no options.

[Nextmod]

I hope those guys will get what they deserve. Fine them and jail them, then they'll think back what they did wrong. What scammers. Unbelievable.

+1, they should just be happy with getting full MSRP now days.

$6000 for protection package lol

[MSMitch]

My only question is what is a "intelectually challenged" person doing driving, much less buying a car? My first thought was that they may be over-emphasizing the disability for impact of the story. But, AFTER buying the car, she THEN went to another dealership to check prices, so yeah, she must be intelectually challenged in some way.

A bunch of douches at that dealership for sure, and they should each get fined, tarred, feathered and become someone's puppet in jail (for 2 years less a day of course!).

[bahnbrenner]

My only question is what is a "intelectually challenged" person doing driving, much less buying a car? My first thought was that they may be over-emphasizing the disability for impact of the story. But, AFTER buying the car, she THEN went to another dealership to check prices, so yeah, she must be intelectually challenged in some way.

A bunch of douches at that dealership for sure, and they should each get fined, tarred, feathered and become someone's puppet in jail (for 2 years less a day of course!).

Yeah, exactly. As I said in my original post, I think these guys at the dealership need to have the book thrown at them with the full force of the law, but on the other hand... if this woman is so "intellectually disabled" in the first place that she would spring for a new car after going into the dealership with the intent of only buying new tires for her new car, and even then without doing any research whatsoever... then maybe she shouldn't be driving in the first place.

Again, not saying what the dealership did was right, and I don't want to be seen as defending their actions by any means... but the article leaves a number of questions unanswered (i.e. we don't even really know how "intellectually disabled" this woman is, or what they even define intellectually disabled to be).

[Speedy2008]

I believe the writer who used the term "intellectually disabled" was referring to the fact that she was experiencing side effects from the medication she was being prescribed at that time. Not to assume she was on medication during her visit to the dealership thus hindering her ability to drive with full awareness.

Some of the smartest people walk into a dealership only to leave feeling foolish and "intellectually disabled." So many of us have walked out of a dealership with a new car with intense feelings of remorse; often wondering if we paid a fair price or if it was really necessary to purchase various extras (rust proofing, extended warranty, luxury pkgs., theft protection, etc.).

This lady's story is unique because the actions of the fast-talking salespersons constitutes theft. They took extreme advantage of a vulnerable person and left her destitute. I think some of us may have similar experiences but to a lesser degree.

[garboui]

nm

[Elusivellama]

I believe the writer who used the term "intellectually disabled" was referring to the fact that she was experiencing side effects from the medication she was being prescribed at that time. Not to assume she was on medication during her visit to the dealership thus hindering her ability to drive with full awareness.

Some of the smartest people walk into a dealership only to leave feeling foolish and "intellectually disabled." So many of us have walked out of a dealership with a new car with intense feelings of remorse; often wondering if we paid a fair price or if it was really necessary to purchase various extras (rust proofing, extended warranty, luxury pkgs., theft protection, etc.).

This lady's story is unique because the actions of the fast-talking salespersons constitutes theft. They took extreme advantage of a vulnerable person and left her destitute. I think some of us may have similar experiences but to a lesser degree.

Well said

[Riftler]

Some people would do anything for money, this is just so wrong and those two need to get kicked in the nuts or something.

[PCLoadLetter]

and we all thought Erin Mills mazda was the worst :)
I test drove at orangeville and purchased at Erin Mills. FML.

[mazda_gurl]

Moe has since been fired and the dealership gave the lady her money back

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/785838

[The Johal]

Moe has since been fired and the dealership gave the lady her money back

http://www.wheels.ca/reviews/article/785838

JUSTICE JUSTICE

[Malcolm991]

Throw the book at them and send a message to the rest of the scumbags out there!

[Fuman]

JUSTICE JUSTICEI disagreed, I don't think justice has yet be served. She deserves to get her money back especially due to the fact that she is mentally disabled. Honestly, I see the refund as an act to save itself from prosecution. The article mentions that the rating for the dealership has a rating D, and members here have had a number of bad experiences with Orangeville Mazda. I hope the prosecution of those involved gets just treatment in a court of law.

I wonder if the owner is aware of the shady business practices that has been going on? Either way, this time they went to far. As a result, the owner has no choice but to do a refund. If they do not do a refund they face a huge PR diaster.

[JSI]

Interesting read to get a more "American" opinion on the situation.
http://forums.focaljet.com/team-pit-stop/628902-heres-discussion-today-2010-mazda6-66-000-a.html

As much as we/and others think we have in common with our neighbors to the south this illustrates a pretty profound difference in opinion of what is ethical sales tactics.

[FoXy]

Interesting read to get a more "American" opinion on the situation.
http://forums.focaljet.com/team-pit-stop/628902-heres-discussion-today-2010-mazda6-66-000-a.html

As much as we/and others think we have in common with our neighbors to the south this illustrates a pretty profound difference in opinion of what is ethical sales tactics.


WOW... I hate americans. They are SO closed minded.

In reality, none of us know how "disabled" or not "disabled" this woman really is. But STILL the point is that they conned her into buying a brand new car when all she needed was tires. THAT is unnecessary. I still think they should get fined. Its unethical nonetheless. There are too many dishonest ppl out there trying to sell ppl things they dont need. AND to make matters worse, it almost always seems like they prey on the old and/or disabled becuase they are the weakest targets. It really makes me feel discouraged about the way the world is going.

[FONZ]

Found this on the Star.

http://www.wheels.ca/article/asset/785847

[MajesticBlueNTO]

Found this on the Star.

http://www.wheels.ca/article/asset/785847

i posted up on one of the other 3 threads on this last week that Moe was also a partner at Suzuki of Pickering (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?43887-Mazda-of-orangeville-charged-with-unfair-practice!&p=610581&viewfull=1#post610581) :)

sunny and moe are friends....now he'll just be off the official payroll and will probably be getting money on the side from the sale of Suzuki of Pickering.

[starscream]

Theres a few things I think going on here:

1) Were a Mazda club, kinda hits home to see a dealership do this. Atleast for me, the first thing that went through my mind was "OMFG F@#KING Dealership!", but when I thought about it theres more then 1 side to this.
2) I personally dont prefer doing things at a dealership, unless absolutely needed to, or if I know its the best service/price/etc that I will be getting. Most dealerships (not just Mazda's) have earned the "Stealership" name, so that also adds fuel to the fire
3) Media ALWAYS bulks up and sensationalizes drama like this. Think of the Mini Club and what A channel did, and how they portrayed car clubs, cruises and what not. Its hard to tell whats fact from fiction when reading from a newspaper

My thoughts on this are that even though what the dealership was an extreme (in the sense of how much they were charging), they were within their right to do. She was not held at gunpoint, she wasnt forced and the sales manager/person may have been pushy however the money at the end of the day was coming from her. She clearly didnt do her research before, infact from what the article said, she did it AFTER buying the car and THEN felt horrible and all that. I have bought things while on trip only to realize when I came back, I coulda gotten the same thing here for 1/2 the price. I was definately pissed, BUT that was a ****up on my own accord. The business KNEW I was from Canada but they did as they normally would and when I looked into it, I was being ripped off. Does that mean that business is wrong and all that? No, shady yeah I would agree with, BUT they were in their right to do what they did and I had to deal with being ripped off. Similiar situation here. I know some are going to say "she was disabled, etc etc etc", I call BULLSHIT. Theres a WIDE defintion of being disabled, intellectually challenged and what not, and if she can drive on her own, decide to get tires and buy them on your own, she really cant be all that challenged. IF she is, WTF is she doing driving then? Being heavily medicated and all that? Again WTF you doing driving? If your that medicated that you cant make a proper decision you shouldnt be out and about doing things in any case. What if she was allergic to peanuts, and being so medicated bought peanut butter....oh noes the peanut butter company should be charged? I mean she claimed she was that medicated and confused according to the article (or it could also be the Media pumping it up, in either case it doesnt work in either of their favours for what I am trying to show). I think shes to blame as much as the dealership. Being taken advantage of I agree is wrong, BUT also allowing to be taken advantage from is also wrong and I somewhat think she allowed that to happen. The story is only 1 side, hers and the media's sensationalizing it. I would want to know from the dealership how things went down. I mean even the way they are calculating the 66K is ****ed up too. Loan interest shouldnt be counted as "being ripped off" because ANYONE would pay that if they are taking a loan.

The dudes being fired I think were more about public outcry, rather than doing whats right. I mean the dealership has to now do whatever it can to make it right.

I mean I do think what the dealership did wasnt right, but shes gotta have some accountability and responsibility in this as well. They are pushing it 100% onto the dealership and that also isnt right.

[midnightfxgt]

If they are found guilty, it means they broke Ontario Legislation... which is not "Within their rights" ;)

[starscream]

If they are found guilty, it means they broke Ontario Legislation... which is not "Within their rights" ;)

IF...IF they are found guilty. And again the point is, this is being brought up only because of the media sensationalizing it. They havent been proven guilty yet, so as it stands...they are "Within their rights".

***EDIT***
Just making sure, I am not saying I agree with the dealership, I am merely saying that theres more to this then what the newspapers/media are portraying. I find it bothersome that they are putting the 'disabled' spin on this. If that happened to someone else that was normal and totally fine, I am pretty sure it woulda been a whole different article and thought/opinon from everyone else....I konw I would be "HAHAHH EPIC FAIL" lol

[xxSlidewaysxx]

Intellectually disabled can mean anything. This lady obviously cannot afford a $66,000 car over 6, 7 or 15 years. There are syndromes that let people trust more then they should but otherwise appear normal and perhaps she suffers from this, hence why she has a drivers license.

These are the same people who tried to ignore my X-plan discount and offered me 7 year financing for the low, low price of $500 a month. I now pay $400 for 5 years. Think about that. Slime is slime and dirt is dirt. They also tried to wipe their hands of my power steering problem and said "there is no error code registered in your computer, so we can't do anything".

I will do my best to ensure that anyone I know will be kept clear of this dealership as long as the current owner and management are in place.

[starscream]

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/809245--mazda-canada-terminates-controversial-orangeville-dealer?bn=1

Dealership has been terminated according to Mazda Canada for violating the franchise agreement.

[Unoriginalusername]

BOOM! HEADSHOT!

http://www.thestar.com/business/article/809245--mazda-canada-terminates-controversial-orangeville-dealer?bn=1

Dealership has been terminated according to Mazda Canada for violating the franchise agreement.

applause

[midnightfxgt]

awesome!

[MajesticBlueNTO]

wonder if Suzuki will run an investigation into Sunny's Suzuki of Pickering franchise to see if any funny business happened there also....

[Shizuka_Osamu]

Yeah I was talking to a couple of members of the Mangement team (the Mazda dealership will remain nameless), and they were discussing the Orangeville Mazda dealership being axed. Just as what was written in the publication, the team reitterated how Orangeville Mazda had been invovled in other violations.

[Slade]

So I thought I remember this being posted here, took some searching but found it!

This was released yesterday.

http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1149454--car-salesman-lands-in-jail-for-misleading-customers?bn=1


A car salesman who sold a vehicle to an elderly widow for about $24,000 more than she expected has become one of the first auto dealership employees in Ontario to be jailed under current consumer protection legislation.

Naheed Ali Ramji was sentenced in a Belleville court Tuesday to seven months behind bars for “unconscionable representation” and “unfair practice” under the Ontario Consumer Protection Act, and falsifying information under the Motor Vehicle Dealers Act.

“Mr. Ramji targeted female customers who he deemed gullible to take advantage of,” said Justice of the Peace Deanne Chapelle. “He used and took advantage of them both. He used unfair practice by making unconscionable representation to both.”

Chapelle convicted Ramji last November after hearing evidence from six witnesses including customers Doreen Waites, 80, and Barbara Fournier, in her mid-fifties, regarding transactions at Bob Clute Automart and Bob Clute Motors in Belleville in 2010.

“It’s his own fault,” Waites said after hearing about Ramji’s sentence. “We had dealt with him before and he was fine. We never thought he would try to do this to us. I was dumbfounded.”

Court heard Ramji called Waites from Bob Clute Automart about the pending expiry of a lease and she signed what she believed was another one for a new Pontiac model at a cost of about $18,825.

Waites moved and took the car to Michael Boyer Chevrolet Cadillac Buick GMC in Pickering for a small repair and informed the dealer about her unhappiness with the lease. Staff checked the paperwork and found she had actually bought the car and financed it for eight years at a total cost of $43,065.

The dealer alerted the sector’s regulator, the Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council, which investigated and eventually laid charges. The Clute dealership immediately unwound the deal, took the car back and later fired Ramji.

In a second transaction, Fournier contacted Bob Clute Motors and indicated she wanted to buy out a pickup truck whose lease had nearly ended. Evidence revealed Ramji told her that to consummate the deal, she would have to “put up” $5,000 in cash for General Motors to finance the purchase at a whopping 19 per cent despite an excellent credit history. Ramji described the cash payment as “shut-up money.”

Fournier’s husband discovered the terms and contacted the dealer who found the dealership had not received the money. A dealership probe revealed the manager’s signature on the purchase contract was not original and had been forged. The dealer returned the money to Fournier.

Although auto sales people have been jailed after convictions under the Criminal Code, the Ramji case is the first in the province involving the Ontario Motor Vehicle Industry Council and consumer protection legislation, said council executive director Carl Compton.

The consumer ministry may have successfully prosecuted auto sales people under previous legislation, he said.

“It appears the courts in Ontario are assigning a higher level of importance to offences involving consumer harm than we’ve traditionally seen in the past,” added Compton. “This is good news for consumers and good news for legitimate businesses.”

In 2010, the regulator charged a Mazda dealership in Orangeville and two senior employees for “engaging in unfair practices by making an unconscionable representation” under the act after the sale of a car to a woman for more than $25,000 above its value.

The regulator is still pursuing the case which could mean a maximum fine of $250,000 for the dealership and penalties of $100,000 plus jail time of up to two years if a court convicts the employees.

Mazda Canada quickly pulled the dealer’s franchise agreement for breaching the automaker’s business practices in that case and other incidents. The store is now under new ownership.

[Slade]

To add to it..

My parents bought a brand new from the show room Pontiac Sunbird from Bob Clute once...My mom took it in for some warranty work and they refused to do it and charged her a boat load of money...

My dad took the 53foot moving trailer and blocked all their bay doors until it was settled properly.

Bob Clute has always been higher priced then anywhere I have looked.

[PCLoadLetter]

Holy hell! good find and thanks for the update

[peterm15]

I agree with him being jailed I just find it foolish he will probably spend more time in jail then a twice convicted pedophile.

[zoomahh]

I hope that ramji guy gets put in a cell with a big lonely cellmate....by the time he gets out, he'll be wearing a strapless, high heels, and come out as a poster-beeoch for KY jelly....F*&()#ing scum bag

[The Wolf]

Didn't catch it if anyone mentioned this before... but is there any way these people who were scammed will get any type of partial refund?

[peterm15]

Didn't catch it if anyone mentioned this before... but is there any way these people who were scammed will get any type of partial refund?

After Mazda Canada terminating orangeville Mazda. I wouldn't be surprised if they stepped up.
And the victims are entitled to sue the salesman for retribution.

[sharkbait]

Wow, just wow. :banhim

[loki]

I hope that ramji guy gets put in a cell with a big lonely cellmate....by the time he gets out, he'll be wearing a strapless, high heels, and come out as a poster-beeoch for KY jelly....F*&()#ing scum bag

Really? Because he took advantage of some idiots?

There's far worse people out there. I could only imagine what you'd like to happen to them

You ever purchase food at the airport? Now that's a rip off

[loki]

I agree with him being jailed I just find it foolish he will probably spend more time in jail then a twice convicted pedophile.

This.....

[aris]

I hope that ramji guy gets put in a cell with a big lonely cellmate....by the time he gets out, he'll be wearing a strapless, high heels, and come out as a poster-beeoch for KY jelly....F*&()#ing scum bag

I'm friends with ramji. I haven't seeing in a long time but theirs more to this then their letting on. I think he took the fall for bob clute.

He is the car sales man... Since when does the car sales man to the financing? Also even if he did do it it doesn't benefit ramji to fiannace a car for 8 years at 19%... The only person it benefits from it is bob clute.

And even if he was doing how come on one in Bon clute picked up on it. I know in our bussiness we look at all the bills to make everything is right.

[Unoriginalusername]

I'm friends with ramji. I haven't seeing in a long time but theirs more to this then their letting on. I think he took the fall for bob clute.

He is the car sales man... Since when does the car sales man to the financing? Also even if he did do it it doesn't benefit ramji to fiannace a car for 8 years at 19%... The only person it benefits from it is bob clute.

And even if he was doing how come on one in Bon clute picked up on it. I know in our bussiness we look at all the bills to make everything is right.

if you are in a gang and the boss says to commit a crime and you do it there are no excuses... doesn't matter if you didn't benefit directly, you did it. If he was innocent he would have told the customer, got fired and then sued the dealership for being terminated unfairly and exposed their business practices.

[FoXy]

if you are in a gang and the boss says to commit a crime and you do it there are no excuses... doesn't matter if you didn't benefit directly, you did it. If he was innocent he would have told the customer, got fired and then sued the dealership for being terminated unfairly and exposed their business practices.

agreed, he was still in the wrong, even if other people knew about it. Like have a conscience about it and do something if you know it's wrong.

[aris]

^^ You guys misunderstood what i was saying. I'm not saying Ramji is innocent or guilty cause i don't know. What i'm saying is their is no way Bob Clute had no part in it....

[Slade]

^^ You guys misunderstood what i was saying. I'm not saying Ramji is innocent or guilty cause i don't know. What i'm saying is their is no way Bob Clute had no part in it....

I do agree with you to an extent, that when I purchased my vehicles the sales person always signed the form with the final price on it, and that is the person I always did my bidding war with, it was then between the sales person and the finance/manager(s) to decide if the price was good.

As far as I know, and I could be wrong, the sales person gets x% of the final selling price?

The whole Bob Clute franchise is a joke in my books.

[aris]

The whole Bob Clute franchise is a joke in my books.


+1

Bob Clute is a crock...i don't trust him at all!

[Booostin]

It was dumb but I'm glad the province stepped in and did something about this. The article described her has 'intellectually handicapped', what ever that means. Even if it means she is a bit slow, I'm glad the system worked to help out.

The 'salesman' was clearly scum that was preying on a victim he knew he could take advantage of.

That said, if they're mentally disabled, then they shouldn't be allowed to drive, or for that matter, independently make financial decisions (i.e. a mandatory cosigner for all credit and cheque purchases) either.

[n00bMeiSter]

To add to it..

My parents bought a brand new from the show room Pontiac Sunbird from Bob Clute once...My mom took it in for some warranty work and they refused to do it and charged her a boat load of money...

My dad took the 53foot moving trailer and blocked all their bay doors until it was settled properly.

Bob Clute has always been higher priced then anywhere I have looked.

Your dad is awesome.

Because they figure no one wants to drive all the way into pickering or somewhere else to buy a car, so they jack up the prices.




It was dumb but I'm glad the province stepped in and did something about this. The article described her has 'intellectually handicapped', what ever that means. Even if it means she is a bit slow, I'm glad the system worked to help out.

The 'salesman' was clearly scum that was preying on a victim he knew he could take advantage of.

That said, if they're mentally disabled, then they shouldn't be allowed to drive, or for that matter, independently make financial decisions (i.e. a mandatory cosigner for all credit and cheque purchases) either.

There's degrees of mental disability. Someone with down syndrome obviously cannot be allowed to drive and may need help with financial decisions. But someone with a different mental disability, like say ADHD, can drive and make financial decisions just fine.

[crystal8484]

haha this was sent arond the office, naturally this customer is on our books.

[krimsalt]

My only question is what is a "intelectually challenged" person doing driving, much less buying a car?

Intellectual Disabilities are common, people can appear almost completely normal, unlike something to down syndrome (which is a physical disibility). She could have an Impaired Learning Disibilities or even be dyslexic. It's something the media grabs (and did grab very firmly) and blow out of proportion saying "Oh my god they took advantage of a mentally disabled person!!!!!!!!". People with certain learning disibilities are easy to manipulate because of the way their thought's sort and percieve the outside world.

But of course no one deserves to be manipulated into buying a car after going in to swap tires. To manipulate someone for your own (financial) gain is pure evil, regardless the condition of the victim.

[jbrown456]

I agree with him being jailed I just find it foolish he will probably spend more time in jail then a twice convicted pedophile.

+1

Sad but true. This basically happened a few days ago...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/03/19/graham-james-sentence.html