got pulled over today..

[schmat66]

so i was driving today a little over the speed limit, got noticed had a nice cop talk to me and gave me a improper muffler ticket, i dont mind paying the ticket cause i should have gotten a speeding ticket, but i was just wondering since i got mixed answers, does this affect your insurance at all? thanks

[Kappa]

thats crazy... police seem to suck in ON lol

[Fuyuzora]

Don't know about the insurance... But if I may ask, what exhaust are (were?) you running?

[shu5892001]

I don't think it will raise your insurance

[towelsnap]

Don't know about the insurance... But if I may ask, what exhaust are (were?) you running?

+1

[Kevin@nextmod]

i can tell you for sure it won't affect your insurance. I have had 2 tickets before for my muffler on my 3 before and i just pay it. My insurance is still pretty cheap.

[alho]

I heard or remember reading somewhere that any ticket will affect your insurance, even for things like failure to show proof of insurance.

[Kevin@nextmod]

what i was told is that non moving violation tickets will not affect insurance. But i could be wrong

[laksman91]

just get your mechanic to write you up an invoice for an exhaust repair, and get it tossed ;P

[S.F.W.]

I heard or remember reading somewhere that any ticket will affect your insurance, even for things like failure to show proof of insurance.

that is wrong. Only moving violations should affect insurance.

[TokyoKiller]

I heard or remember reading somewhere that any ticket will affect your insurance, even for things like failure to show proof of insurance.

That's a big one, its pretty as bad as driving without insurance and its important that insurance companies are aware of drivers with previous infractions involving insurance. I would expect a ticket like that to hurt your insurance premiums.

[Kinn]

This is a non moving violation and really shouldn't effect your insurance premiums the way a speeding ticket would.

[bluemazda3]

so wut kind of exhaust is the OP running?

[bman13]

Don't know about the insurance... But if I may ask, what exhaust are (were?) you running?


+1


so wut kind of exhaust is the OP running?

+3

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Magnaflow.

[stevenma188]

Seems like lots of people are having bad luck with the Magnaflow CBEs.

[sp3GT]

^ A regular catback Magnaflow got a ticket??:loco

[stevenma188]

This would be the 2nd or 3rd time someone with the Magnaflow CBE got an improper muffler ticket.

[SSmoked]

oddly enought my buddies jetta 1.8t with a magnaflow got a ticket yesterday for a improper muffler. exhaust blitz going on??
i went 2 years with my ms3 exhaust on my sedan and never got any problems. and the ms3 exhaust was LOUD.

[schmat66]

it is a cat back magnaflow exhaust, i'm going to fight it and get a mechanic to write up that it is a legal exhaust because it isnt missing any parts like cat muffler so i was told that if i just get it written up it should be fine. any one else agree?

[schmat66]

oh an the best part was he didnt say anything about my tint and i had my passenger window down a crack so you could see the tint which is 5% all around

[taz4432]

I got an "improper muffer" ticket for my exhaust (Vibrant Headers & Catback). My ticket ended up getting thrown out cause the cop was a no-show (the 2nd time around...long story) but since I had only purchased the car a month and a half earlier I had a recent safety, e-test and I got Vibrant to write me a letter stating that the exhaust is legal. Never needed to use it.

[WLS ZMZM]

yah I say fight the ticket..... I've been stopped a few times for my mazdaspeed exhaust..... problem is cuz it makes noise.. so they assume it to be "hollywood style" muffler..... however they are equipped with the proper baffles..... which is usually the issue with the canister exhausts. Also most of the tickets given for the "improper muffler" are not inspected by the officer... just assumed... when I was pulled over I made the officer crawl under the car to prove my point and even had the bill from avante showing the purchase and install..... to which he had nothing to say.... as for the tints... thats pretty lucky... however there are no rules on the rear windows... just your front ones... and again...there is no "actual % limit" its at the discretion of the officer....

[schmat66]

well for the tints, i looked on the bill of the tints saying the fronts were 5% and the legal limit is 35% as said on the bill, so we shall see

[Ogata]

I'd be surprised to see any Mazda Speeds that come WITH the Speed Exhaust and get a ticket.

[Dan Da Man]

Both tints and exhaust are officer discretion.

If you want to get ridiculous you are not allowed to have ANY tint on your window, no matter what window, no matter what tint %. It does not matter what the guy who installed it says, it is not legal. "colour coating obscuring" or something to that effect they call it in the HTA.

For the exhaust i believe the cops argument is that it is louder than a usual muffler which makes it improper it's not the fact that it's hollywood style its the noise it makes. Most cops give the unnecessary noise ticket instead or improper muffler. All the cop is going to testify is that the exhaust was extremely loud and it drew attention to your car. Then the JP can decide what he wants. A bill or receipt stating it's legal doesn't mean much, if you catch a Judge or JP on a good or bad day it can be the difference between a charge being tossed or a conviction.

[Roconne]

The HTA in Ontario only states that tints which obscure the driver are illegal. Yes this leaves it all up to the officers discretion, but that doesn't mean every tint is illegal. If that was the case, it would clearly say in the HTA that ANY tint on the front windows is not allowed.

[Dan Da Man]

Go buy one and read it. No colour coating obscuring is another word for tints. No it doesnt even use the word "tint" in the HTA. Go read it and let me know it does not clearly state it in the HTA/

[Kappa]

i wonder if my one muffler would pass...... hmmmmmmmm

[MajesticBlueNTO]

The HTA in Ontario only states that tints which obscure the driver are illegal. Yes this leaves it all up to the officers discretion, but that doesn't mean every tint is illegal. If that was the case, it would clearly say in the HTA that ANY tint on the front windows is not allowed.


Go buy one and read it. No colour coating obscuring is another word for tints. No it doesnt even use the word "tint" in the HTA. Go read it and let me know it does not clearly state it in the HTA/

here's the section of the HTA outlining Colour Coating Obscuring Interior (http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#s73s3)




Colour coating obscuring interior

(3) No person shall drive on a highway a motor vehicle on which the surface of the windshield or of any window to the direct left or right of the driver’s seat has been coated with any coloured spray or other coloured or reflective material that substantially obscures the interior of the motor vehicle when viewed from outside the motor vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 73 (3).

the bolded part outlines the exact windows mentioned. this is most likely why it has been interpreted to mean that the windows behind the driver (side and back windows) can be any darkness...hell you can even black it out, look at the white/work vans with no back windows in back doors nor the side.

EDIT: but then there's also this section:



Windows to afford clear view

74. (1) No person shall drive a motor vehicle upon a highway,

(a) unless the windshield and the windows on either side of the compartment containing the steering wheel are in such a condition as to afford the driver a clear view to the front and side of the motor vehicle; and

(b) unless the rear window is in such a condition as to afford the driver a clear view to the rear of the motor vehicle. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 74 (1).

which may exclude blacking out the rear window completely (i.e. zero visibility). bottom line, if there's a window behind the driver, you can't black it out completely.

[Souls]

I heard or remember reading somewhere that any ticket will affect your insurance
false I've had two 50kph+ whoppers (pre-stunt law years ago), and post (first morning I drove my 3 to work :blush, he reduced it), AND a not-at-fault single vehicle accident ( or it could be that I'm not near 25 years of age) :P


even for things like failure to show proof of insurance.
well that should, 'cause you're begging for trouble, but I don't know


should add that I've had a Vibrant on my old VW 2.0, never had an issue, and a Reactive on my recent VR6 both cars with mid-muffler and resonator removed, and the VR brip-brappt & growled all over the place (damn I miss her)

[WLS ZMZM]

coming straight off the YRP project erase site!

I want to tint the windows on this car There is no restriction on window tint or colouring on rear windows as long as there are side mirrors providing a clear view to the rear. A driver must have a clear view out of the front windows and the windshield and a police officer must have a clear view in.
HTA 73(1)(a) – Window obstructed / Windshield obstructed - $85.00/$110.00
Click to see the law
HTA 73(3) – Colour coating obscuring interior - $85.00/$110.00
Click to see the law


I want to install a custom exhaust on this car All cars, trucks and motorcycles need to be equipped with a muffler in good working order and in constant operation to prevent excessive or unusual noise and excessive smoke. Use of a muffler cut-out, straight exhaust, gutted muffler, Hollywood muffler, by-pass or similar device is prohibited.
HTA 75(1) – No muffler - Motor Vehicle / Improper muffler - Motor Vehicle – $85.00/$110.00
HTA 75(4) – Unreasonable smoke / Unnecessary Noise - $85.00/$110.00
Click to see the law


The site in case your curious...
http://www.yrp.ca/erase/

[schmat66]

Sooooooo.....

i got pulled over again......

the cop was bugging me about my plate covers... kk wtf
he was telling me im not aloud any cover on them whatsoever?

if that illegal then why do every dealer put em on?
he said it was a $110 dollar ticket. and said its on the hta.
anyone know?

[Thrizzl3]

ya its BS...did u get a ticket?

[S.F.W.]

it's BS, as long as the cover does not obstruct view of the plate info
"Number plate to be kept clean
(2) Every number plate shall be kept free from dirt and obstruction and shall be affixed so that the entire number plate, including the numbers, is plainly visible at all times, and the view of the number plate shall not be obscured or obstructed by spare tires, bumper bars, any part of the vehicle, any attachments to the vehicle or the load carried. 1994, c. 27, s. 138 (7).
Obstruction prohibited
(3) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a photo-radar system. 1993, c. 31, s. 2 (5).
Same
(3.0.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being accurately photographed using a red light camera system. 1998, c. 38, s. 2 (1).
Same
(3.1) The number plates shall not be obstructed by any device or material that prevents the entire number plates including the numbers from being identified by an electronic toll system. 1996, c. 1, Sched. E, s. 2 (1)."
http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm#BK38

[schmat66]

well its a normal tm3 plate cover... so bs!!!!!

[S.F.W.]

well its a normal tm3 plate cover... so bs!!!!!

yep, unless you tinted it or something, it's a clear cover..so yes BS.

[schmat66]

it is tinted. but its lighter then the privacy plate from canadian tire which i had on before. the tint is very light and used more to protect on the front. but the privacy plate is darker as i held them side to side.

[Tokic_o]

Won't affect insurance. Non moving violation.

however, get ur mechanic write you a receipt/invoice saying u toko it off n fight it. if you don't then the cops gonna book you everytime lol

[Roconne]

yep, unless you tinted it or something, it's a clear cover..so yes BS.
Doesn't matter. What is considered "obscured" or "obstructed" is up to the officers discretion, and clear plate covers can be ticketed as well. Similar to the window tinting laws. Most officers wont bother you over clear covers, but that doesn't mean they can't ticket you for it.

You can still fight the ticket and the judge will likely throw it out, assume it was in fact a clear cover.

edit- never mind, you just said it was a tinted plate cover. Get it removed like Toxic_o said and get a letter saying you did. Take that to court with you and it will likely be thrown out.

[aris]

it is tinted. but its lighter then the privacy plate from canadian tire which i had on before. the tint is very light and used more to protect on the front. but the privacy plate is darker as i held them side to side.

If you tinted then you are guilty..

[schmat66]

i didnt get a ticket? and im not gonna take it off. ill gladly fight it. one of those stupid money scams they have.

[aris]

i didnt get a ticket? and im not gonna take it off. ill gladly fight it. one of those stupid money scams they have.

Oh ok I thought you did.

FYI I got nailed twice on my truck for plate covers..

First time took it to court .. Lost in court got mad went out and bought another set got nailed agian went to justice of the peice and got ticket reduced and never put it back on lol

[Tokic_o]

im confused. i swear the OP said ticket for exhaust?

lol

if its a ticket for exhaust just get your mechanic to WRITE you a invoice saying you took the exhaust off (you don't acutally have to do it) and show it to the judge when you figh it in court. You'll win 99% of the time with just that.

[thanu31]

lol brian, he just revived his thread with another pull over

[Egierda]

Any sort of tinted plate cover is technically illegal.

[floodgatez]

quit driving so fast bro - i doubt we'd want our club being known for speeding drivers.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

I think any type of plate cover is illegal, even the ones the dealers give out.

Now whether or not you get ticketed for it depends on the cop and situation.

[schmat66]

i dont drive thatttt fast trust. and im still contemplating taking the tint off.. will see.

[fywdyl]

OT: A tip from a friend that got tints....

If a cop pulls you over (esp at night), turn on the cabin light, that way the cop can still see you through the window.

Anyway, back on topic. Not a moving violation, should not affect insurance. But def fight it if you can. You're lucky he let you off.

Another thing, even if it is a moving violation, you MIGHT not always get an increase in insurance. Some companies will renew without doing a background check cuz it's costly to check everyone they write. However, you SHOULD be getting an increase so be careful of speeding regardless.

[kala]

Your orange rims are to blame for getting pulled over so much lol. Draws way to much attention!

[Kappa]

i got pulled over from my plate covers i bought from canadian tire they are still on the car.... lol i just try to keep them clean :)