Will i Rub

[mazdaskit]

I know alot of people been asking this with there new setup. But i was wondering if some has the same setup as me & do you rub or anything.

Im going with 18" rims at 45 offset 8"wide with 225/40/18 tires im on prokits & dont have a camber kit i just want to make sure im not going to rub with this

[Egierda]

That rubbed on my 6 without a fender roll. I think you guys have a touch less clearance in the rear, too. My guess is that you'll be good with a roll.

[MPS]

camber kit may make you rub

[RTEnthusiast]

Will i Rub

It depends, how horny are you feeling this morning?

[MPS]

pure HOMO !


It depends, how horny are you feeling this morning?

[RTEnthusiast]

No homo dude... I just answered his question :D

[n00bMeiSter]

lol

I think someone needs to edit a :No Homo Smiley into rob's original post lol

[S.F.W.]

I ran that same setup with a camber kit and rolled fenders, and no rubbing issues. First on pro kits, then on coil overs. The key is the rolled fenders.

[Donutz]

Perhaps we should start a wheel / tire thread so the 'will this fit' or 'will I rub' questions can be consolidated. Just a thought.

[Thrizzl3]

maybe on full lock on the front. be sure to watch the clearance between the wheel and the fender liner. mine were destroyed lol

[mazdaskit]

i just want to make sure if someone with the same setup & didnt roll the fenders or a camber kit if they were fine or not

[Donutz]

It's quite possible for two people to have the same wheel / tire specs, same suspension and same alignment, and one rubs while the other doesn't. When you get close to the limit there is no gaurantee. My advice is expect to rub and be happy if you don't. If you rub and don't want to sell your new setup be mentally prepared to roll your fenders. GL, let us know how it goes (post your wheel/tire, suspension, and alignment specs).

[Kappa]

i dont think you will rub

[mazdaskit]

if i get a camber kit does that help at all because i dont want to roll the fenders

[ThucP]

depending on camber you won't rub and if you do rub it will probably be on big dips or with a full car. My summer rims are 17x9 +38 in rear only with rolled fenders droped on pro-kits and theres no rubbing

[S.F.W.]

if i get a camber kit does that help at all because i dont want to roll the fenders
The camber kit will allow you to run more camber, possibly avoiding the need to roll the fenders. If you do this, you will need to ensure to rotate your tires on a frequent basis(at least every 8k) to avoid wearing them out prematurely. However, you may still need to roll the fenders. Why the hesitation to do so?

[mazdaskit]

The camber kit will allow you to run more camber, possibly avoiding the need to roll the fenders. If you do this, you will need to ensure to rotate your tires on a frequent basis(at least every 8k) to avoid wearing them out prematurely. However, you may still need to roll the fenders. Why the hesitation to do so?


the cracking of the paint & all that

[pnoy_vokal]

You'll be fine... I have the same setup plus camber kit and never rub...

[Donutz]

It's not a big deal (imo), and there are very easy fixes for cracked paint. It is also possible to roll your fender without cracking your paint; the caveat being the paint has to be perfect to begin with. Any rust or paint damage and it will crack for sure.

[S.F.W.]

It's not a big deal (imo), and there are very easy fixes for cracked paint. It is also possible to roll your fender without cracking your paint; the caveat being the paint has to be perfect to begin with. Any rust or paint damage and it will crack for sure.
It is possible to do so. Another important factor is heat, the paint should be warmed prior to rolling to try and avoid/minimize cracking. That said, with the Mazda3 paint..I think 85-90% of the time the paint will crack.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Most times if you have to ask "will it rub" you should also as "Am I willing to roll my fenders".

If you are not then stick to less aggressive setups. They can still look good, hell my current setup isn't at all aggressive and I am going to miss it.

[Thrizzl3]

It is possible to do so. Another important factor is heat, the paint should be warmed prior to rolling to try and avoid/minimize cracking. That said, with the Mazda3 paint..I think 85-90% of the time the paint will crack.

i can agree with this as it happened to me after i rolled my fenders.

[Donutz]

But weren't yours rolled with a mallet? If you use an Eastwood fender roller it is very easy to roll without cracking the paint. I know most people here who have had their fenders rolled had it done by someone else. In most cases someone who didn't care enough to take their time and do it properly.

[S.F.W.]

But weren't yours rolled with a mallet? If you use an Eastwood fender roller it is very easy to roll without cracking the paint. I know most people here who have had their fenders rolled had it done by someone else. In most cases someone who didn't care enough to take their time and do it properly.
Mine were rolled with an Eastwood fender roller, and still cracked. I know I have discussed this with two body shops previously, and they said on the Mazda 3 platform the paint is soft, it cracks almost every time.

[Donutz]

I don't disagree that the paint is thin and can crack. My point is that anyone willing to take the time to roll them properly, i.e., apply the proper amount of heat and take the time, these fenders can be rolled without cracking. Most shops could care less if your paint cracks, more so if they offer paint repair as part of the service. You could roll these fenders in 30 mins and damage the paint; spend 10 minutes shooting paint (or applying some other form over cover up), make $100 and send the customer on their way. Or, you could spend and hour+ on each fender and not damage the paint.

Like I said, it is possible. I don't want the op to think his paint 'has' to be damaged during the process. If his paint is in perfect condish, and he's willing to rent the roller and spend an afternoon rolling, he can roll his fenders without damaging them.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Donutz did you roll yours yourself? I am thinking of rolling mine myself as thats the only way to ensure they will be done to my standards.

Also I dunno if any shop is up for this but maybe we should get some cars (different heights and known cambers) and somes/tires and just test fit a bunch to answer these questions.

It could be "The Mazda 3 Fitment guide sponsored by..."

They wouldn't even have to be full sets of mint/good wheels just different specs that we could take out and go corner on in parking lot and see what happens.

[loosecannon]

A little reference from M3F

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=124746.0

So I'm probably running 18x8 offset 45 this summer, lowered on prokits, rest of the suspension is stock... will I rub?! lol

[S.F.W.]

Donutz did you roll yours yourself? I am thinking of rolling mine myself as thats the only way to ensure they will be done to my standards.

Also I dunno if any shop is up for this but maybe we should get some cars (different heights and known cambers) and somes/tires and just test fit a bunch to answer these questions.

It could be "The Mazda 3 Fitment guide sponsored by..."

They wouldn't even have to be full sets of mint/good wheels just different specs that we could take out and go corner on in parking lot and see what happens.

Also a very good idea. We need to start with a list of fitments we want to test. Then we can work on tracking them down, and I can talk to a few sponsors and get someone on board.

[Donutz]

Yeah, Stevema helped me, but we rolled them ourselves. I was going to write a how to but I got lazy. The trick is heat, and go slow. When you think you're going slow eblnough slow down some more, and use the least amount of angle on the roller. A quick tip, I used a heat gun and a parabolic heater. Use the heater to heat up the quarter panel (I set mine to 800W for 10 mins), and use the heat gun to heat up the lip. Make sure you wash the lip and clean the underside of the lip to ensure any mud and debris has been removed.

Call me if you need help.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

When I do mine (probably in March) I will PM you. I have a heat gun not sure where I will find a Parabolic heater but I'm sure I can :)\


Also a very good idea. We need to start with a list of fitments we want to test. Then we can work on tracking them down, and I can talk to a few sponsors and get someone on board.

The list of specs on the Mazda3 forums would be a good staring point, after I am rolled I am willing to get my car on an alignment rack to determine a base drop/camber for my own car.

We would probably also need a stock first gen to compare to as a way to ball park my drop as I'm not 100% sure what it is.

Could be a fun day though.

[Thrizzl3]

Yeah, Stevema helped me, but we rolled them ourselves. I was going to write a how to but I got lazy. The trick is heat, and go slow. When you think you're going slow eblnough slow down some more, and use the least amount of angle on the roller. A quick tip, I used a heat gun and a parabolic heater. Use the heater to heat up the quarter panel (I set mine to 800W for 10 mins), and use the heat gun to heat up the lip. Make sure you wash the lip and clean the underside of the lip to ensure any mud and debris has been removed.

Call me if you need help.

if only you told me this before :(

[mazdaskit]

Just a question with 8" wide rims will 215 tires fit

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Depends on offset. I will be running 8/9 this year.

[mazdaskit]

Depends on offset. I will be running 8/9 this year.

It's 45 offset I'm just want not rub lol just going through my options

[thanu31]

theres going to be a bit of stretch
im going the same route too

[Dave_The_BMXER]

18x8 45 should be fine.

[mazdaskit]

ok ill speak to peter to see if i can change it lol because the chart says 225 to 215 i can save 1/4" almost then i should beable to clear the fenders

[Thrizzl3]

oh man i gotta see this. im running 225 just for safety sake

[loosecannon]

oh man i gotta see this. im running 225 just for safety sake

I'm doing the same too.

I've read somewhere that the max width that a 215 tire can stretch (AND BE SAFE) is 8".

[mazdaskit]

I'm doing the same too.

I've read somewhere that the max width that a 215 tire can stretch (AND BE SAFE) is 8".

1+ ive asked all our tire guys just to see if its ok & all them said 215 on 8" will be fine

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Yep, I am running 215's on an 8 up front (though people are trying to convince me to go down to a 205).

That being said the tire brand does play a part in this.

215 falkens on an 8

http://www.tyrestretch.com/albums/8_215_35_R18/8_215_35_R18_Falken_FK452.jpg

215 yokos
http://www.tyrestretch.com/albums/8_215_35_R18/8_215_35_R18_Yokohama.jpg

I wish they made 225/40s in 17 :(

[The Wolf]

I've been talking to Allen at simply tire about a setup with these specs. He says 225/40 tires will be fine...

[tracking]

This older discussion maybe useful:
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?42630-The-thread-to-end-all-quot-will-this-Manufacturer-wheel-fit-my-Mazda3-quot-threads

[thanu31]

Do you guys know if 18 x 7.5 +40 offset will cause rubbing with a 225/40 tire? Would it be neccesary for my fenders to be rolled or would i make it with 215..

[Soyabean]

I would roll for sure or change to 215. Another member had 225 +42 offset and he experienced a little bit of rub when going over speedbumps. He was lowered on prokits

[S.F.W.]

Do you guys know if 18 x 7.5 +40 offset will cause rubbing with a 225/40 tire? Would it be neccesary for my fenders to be rolled or would i make it with 215..

You will rub. 215 should be ok, might need a minor roll on the back or camber.

[Kappa]

probably should have read this before i made my fitment post lol

[vinamack]

What about offset +48? I am stock on 2011 Mazda 3 but planning to drop with pro-kit soon.

Rims: 18x8 +48
Tires: Thinking of 225/40/18 but "The recommended tire size for these 18" common upgrades on a Mazda3 is 245/35/18.? TBH I dont want to roll my fenders.

[S.F.W.]

What about offset +48? I am stock on 2011 Mazda 3 but planning to drop with pro-kit soon.

Rims: 18x8 +48
Tires: Thinking of 225/40/18 but "The recommended tire size for these 18" common upgrades on a Mazda3 is 245/35/18.? TBH I dont want to roll my fenders.

+48 is usually fine, but not with a 245 tire. Run a 225/40/18.

[ParsM3GT]

I`m running on RX-8 wheels 225/40/18 tires with pro-kit no camber and no fender roll. I`ve had this set up for four years with no problems. (knock on wood) Also still on the stock suspension but not for much longer.

[The Wolf]

^^ you should be able to run any late model mazda wheel and tire combo at stock height with no issues at all.

[thanu31]

thnks,
I think im going to roll, because im not sure if i want to run 215..

[dadinho_nfg]

let me start off by saying that im pretty new to this whole lowering car and bigger rims...
just this week i got my car lowered at Evolution Racing (great job and awesome recommendation)
Im lowered on prokits and am driving mazda rx8 rims...
i dont know what offset means but i do know that teh rims is 18x8 and has an offset of 50
also my tire size is 215....
i dont think ive rubbed thus far but can not be sure....
does it make more sense that 215 wheels will be less likely to rub then 225?
also does it make more sense that 18x8 will be more likely to rub then 18x7.5 (which is speed3 rims that i considered getting)
im just nervous about rubbing and dont want to role my fenders :|

[shu5892001]

let me start off by saying that im pretty new to this whole lowering car and bigger rims...
just this week i got my car lowered at Evolution Racing (great job and awesome recommendation)
Im lowered on prokits and am driving mazda rx8 rims...
i dont know what offset means but i do know that teh rims is 18x8 and has an offset of 50
also my tire size is 215....
i dont think ive rubbed thus far but can not be sure....
does it make more sense that 215 wheels will be less likely to rub then 225?
also does it make more sense that 18x8 will be more likely to rub then 18x7.5 (which is speed3 rims that i considered getting)
im just nervous about rubbing and dont want to role my fenders :|


RX8 and Speed 3 don't rub. 18x8 is more likely to rub than 18.7.5 only if they are the same offset. If you get a 18x8 et50 and a 18x7.5 et40, the narrower rim will rub. 215 will rub less likely than 225 because the tire is narrower, havn't said that. You could run 225 on speed3 or rx8 rims no problem