CEL - "Error"

[The Wolf]

My CEL has been on since shortly after I installed my intake. Last time I got my oil changed, I got them to scan the code, and I was told it displayed "ERROR". Dude says that it basically means they can't read it. That there may be a problem but there may not be...
So I'm assuming I stretched a MAF wire installing my intake? It was made for a Mazda6 so the MAF sensor isn't in the same location, and I had to break a clip to reach the MAF housing on the intake.

Is the "ERROR" code likely a result of a broken/stretched wire? I tried searching but I can't find a How-To for replacing/repairing a MAF wire.

Any help?

[n00bMeiSter]

Where did you get your oil changed? Maybe they just had a crappy scanner? Try going to part source and having them scan it. Or maybe someone like Phil05gx can help you, I know he bought a fancy scanner.

[The Wolf]

Hmm, well crappy scanner is probably the last thing I'd suspect. As I said, I did have to pull the wires fairly tight to reach the mounting location on the intake.

The place I took it to didn't look like the kind of place that would have a crappy scanner.Incredibly clean, flatscreens, tile floors, lots of glass, electric lift etc.

[n00bMeiSter]

^ Lol, doesn't mean they didn't cheap out on a code scanner and get a simple basic scanner.
When trying to diagnose a problem, don't just give up after one place can't scan the code. Try several places (ie 2 more places), if they come up with the same problem then you know it's not a scanner issue and may have to go to mazda.

[The Wolf]

Ok, well... Is there such a thing as an error without throwing a code? What could cause it? If my MAF wire is bad, what code will that throw?

[stevenma188]

Hey if you wanna come to guelph I can try to pull the code for you.

[n00bMeiSter]

Not sure, check here: http://www.myscantool.com/dtc/powertrain.html
I think that's every CEL code our cars can throw

[Thrizzl3]

Where did you get your oil changed? Maybe they just had a crappy scanner? Try going to part source and having them scan it. Or maybe someone like Phil05gx can help you, I know he bought a fancy scanner.

Cmon Dave...he's an hour away from me :( tooooo far to scan lol


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[n00bMeiSter]

Cmon Dave...he's an hour away from me :( tooooo far to scan lol

Lol, I always forget he's way out there, I don't know why lol

[Kiyomi]

the intake is not made for the car, quoting aph, "if the intake is not made for the car, it may throw a cel because the diameter of the tubing is incorrect." maybe try a diff intake made for the car, which can in some instances make a difference, and reset the ecu.

[The Wolf]

well, the mz6 engine that the intake is for is the same as the one in a 2.3L mz3. The only difference is the shape. But it is a dirt cheap intake so that could be the issue too lol.

[Kiyomi]

well, the mz6 engine that the intake is for is the same as the one in a 2.3L mz3. The only difference is the shape. But it is a dirt cheap intake so that could be the issue too lol.

lol, even shape mite make a difference in airflow, but if it was dirt cheap, i guess u get what u paid for it. hope you find the fix to it. :D

[Cosmo77]

Hey I know there are these building with MAzda Symbols on them that have scanners.....

[The Wolf]

Move along, shrek.
Simply looking for a how-to fix a stretched maf wire. Secondary questions were what code would a stretched wire throw, and is there such a thing as a CEL without throwing a code.

[n00bMeiSter]

Hey I know there are these building with MAzda Symbols on them that have scanners.....

You go right ahead and pay $110+tax for a "diagnostic" that you can get for free from part source, or anyone with a scanner.

Moving on.


I still say try and get that code scanned at a couple other places.

[Thrizzl3]

lol, even shape mite make a difference in airflow, but if it was dirt cheap, i guess u get what u paid for it. hope you find the fix to it. :D

agreed. i had a corksport intake on my car for a couple of weeks before i sold it because it threw CEL's left front and centre. i got the code which told me the motor was running to rich which pretty much proved that the diameter of the piping was too wide for my poor 2.0 :( lol

[aris]

He is a mechanic at a Mazda dealership


You go right ahead and pay $110+tax for a "diagnostic" that you can get for free from part source, or anyone with a scanner.

Moving on.


I still say try and get that code scanned at a couple other places.

[Thrizzl3]

He is a mechanic at a Mazda dealership

we know that..but the point was why would he go to a dealership to spend $110+tax on a diagnostic test when he can get it scanned for FREE at part source or from another member...:loco

[Kiyomi]

we know that..but the point was why would he go to a dealership to spend $110+tax on a diagnostic test when he can get it scanned for FREE at part source or from another member...:loco

lol +1

[aris]

we know that..but the point was why would he go to a dealership to spend $110+tax on a diagnostic test when he can get it scanned for FREE at part source or from another member...:loco

Ok I didn't know noob Knew that from his response.

[n00bMeiSter]

Ok I didn't know noob new that from his response.

Nope, no clue who he is. Still, I'm not going to go pay $110+tax for something I can get for free elsewhere.

[Cosmo77]

Nope, no clue who he is. Still, I'm not going to go pay $110+tax for something I can get for free elsewhere.


Hmmm... ok sorry....hey why don't you come to my place....u can use my tools for free too

[dentinger]

most likely the scanner.

i've had time when our Snap-On Modis wont pick a code up, yet my $100 Canadian Tire scanner will work just fine.

[The Wolf]

Yep, took it in again and it's saying lean at idle. Thanks everyone :)

[dentinger]

Yep, took it in again and it's saying lean at idle. Thanks everyone :)

ive had that code a few times with my mazda. i'd just clear them, and it wouldnt come back for another year or so

[Prima Tech Aaron]

the free scan you got before didn't work so 100 dollar scan that tells you something should be worth it. a scanner need to be able to do CAN network to scan a newer mazda.

anyways on to the code the lean at idle is most like due to increased air flow due to the intake. you won't be able to get rid of the code until you get rid of the intake. I don't really know if the sound of the intake is worth the poor fuel economy and poor performance. just my 2 cents. k&n the original air box, remove the air box muffler in the bumper and run dryer hose to the lower grill. that's what I've done to my own cars, many moons ago.

[The Wolf]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna take out the intake this fall when I put on my winter wheels. The sound is really nice though, so I may just invest in a good one instead of the ebay one I have now. I've also debated DIY-ing a kind of ram-air system like you mentioned.

[vinnierap]

So I just installed my Mazdaspeed intake tonight and now I'm throwing a code. Gonna get it scanned tomorrow but I thought that I shouldn't have a problem with the Mazdaspeed intake.

I have in SRI mode. Any thoughts?

[Kiyomi]

reset the ecu

[aris]

reset the ecu

First get the code to see what the problem is. I don't see how clearing the code will help him.

[Kiyomi]

First get the code to see what the problem is. I don't see how clearing the code will help him.

hopefully the car will relearn. :D

[Fack_Dude]

So I just installed my Mazdaspeed intake tonight and now I'm throwing a code. Gonna get it scanned tomorrow but I thought that I shouldn't have a problem with the Mazdaspeed intake.

I have in SRI mode. Any thoughts?
Let me ask you a stupid question. Do you have the air straightner in the intake?

[Fack_Dude]

If you don't your maf will be way outta ratio and you are pulling way too much air into the motor...... Becareful buddy........

[vinnierap]

Let me ask you a stupid question. Do you have the air straightner in the intake?

air straightner?? lol...... All connections are connected MAF hooked up.. what else is there?

[Fack_Dude]

its a device that you place in the the intake and it gives it the correct airflow......google it.......

[Fack_Dude]

The mazdaspeed intake has blown a lot of speed 3 motors....

[vinnierap]

so i just read up on the air straightner and most people say its only about $15-$20. So I think im gonna pick 1 up. Is there somewhere I can pick it up locally? I live in woodbridge. Im going to my mechanic around 6 so he can scan the code and reset it, so if i can get it before that i can install and reset and hopefully it all works out.

[Fack_Dude]

AEM sells one specifically for the speed 3 intake system for 20 bucks. You can try nextmod to see if they have one or garage16. I doubt that you will be able to pick up one tonight....... It's like a special order.....

[vinnierap]

shit i guess ill have to order one....thnx fastdude for the quick responses and info.. do you think that without the straightner it will harm the motor for a few days?

[Fack_Dude]

don't drive hard and you will be ok.. The cel that your throwing relates of too much air going through the maf....

[vinnierap]

ok sounds good, thanks again!!:thumbsup

[vinnierap]

So I just decided to go take a look at the (cai) pipe (o have it as Sri) and I found the air straightner in the pipe. Gonna put it in and Reset the code. Bonus!!! :bana2

[vinnierap]

so as luck will have it, i get in the car to go to my mechanic (buddy) to clear the code. obviously the cel is gone. But I installed the air straightner and cleared the code (still showed up on the scanner even though there was no cel).

No cel on the way home and the intake sounds awesome, love that i can actually hear the turbo now!

thanks again for the help/info.

[gonzo25]

i would check the wire going to the mass airflow sensor. Sometimes the wire can be too tight with an intake and pull it loose.