autotech or kmd?

[abstrakt]

okay so i wanted to order these internals a while back but i hit a snag and couldnt do it!..but now i gotz the moneyz for it and i am ready to order but i thought i would just run this by you guys...what would you prefer? the autotech internals? or the kmd internals? now i i have heard alot of people go with the auto tech internals but is that just because of prefrence or are they actually better? bottom line i need fuel pump internals and its gonna happen i would just rather grab them from the vendor who has a more reputable name.. what do you guys think?

EDIT: there is also the ptp internals but everytime i mentioned those to someone they would say be very weary of them so those are out of the question.

[chris.joh]

Personally I went with autotech, I didn't feel comfortable putting KMD v1-3 in my car. After 3000km+ holds pressure perfectly no complaints *fingers crossed* just my 2c

[MPS]

i cant speak for any of the ones you want but i had my CPe pump for 4 years now with out any problems

[Elusivellama]

I went with Autotech based on several recommendations on msf

[SomeGuy]

I'm going cpe pump, there's a reason it costs more :)

[CelestSpeed3]

Mcguyver, myself, and polish eagle all have CP-E pumps as well.

[S.F.W.]

Mcguyver, myself, and polish eagle all have CP-E pumps as well.
I also have the cp-e pump. I considered internals, but I looked beyond price, and went pump.

[abstrakt]

I also have the cp-e pump. I considered internals, but I looked beyond price, and went pump.

price isnt primarily the issue i just dont see the justification of spending 1000 when i can spend 350 and do it myself

[S.F.W.]

price isnt primarily the issue i just dont see the justification of spending 1000 when i can spend 350 and do it myself
it's $1000 if you don't send your core back, it's ~$700. The difference is warranty for one. Cp-e if you ever have an issue you have warranty support..if you go internals and something fails, then what ?

[MPS]

CPe pump is $730 let me know if you need 1

[hemlor]

it's $1000 if you don't send your core back, it's ~$700. The difference is warranty for one. Cp-e if you ever have an issue you have warranty support..if you go internals and something fails, then what ?

but doesn't an aftermarket pump void a Mazda warranty? Internals are more difficult for the dealer to 'catch' in case there is a warranty issue? Or if one decides to upgrade their pump, they are okay with the fact that their warranty is voided?

[fywdyl]

but doesn't an aftermarket pump void a Mazda warranty? Internals are more difficult for the dealer to 'catch' in case there is a warranty issue? Or if one decides to upgrade their pump, they are okay with the fact that their warranty is voided?

If you're going to mod the car with a pump, chances are you're gonna do DP or some other mod that would void the warranty anyway. Basically, if you're worried about the factory warranty, you shouldn't be modding in the first place.

[miako]

If you're going to mod the car with a pump, chances are you're gonna do DP or some other mod that would void the warranty anyway. Basically, if you're worried about the factory warranty, you shouldn't be modding in the first place.

+1 and I believe the cpe pump looks exactly like the oem pump, so if they are not going pop the pump open it really doesnt matter... I use kmd v3 for around 3 months installed by jimmy, it's all good!

[hemlor]

If you're going to mod the car with a pump, chances are you're gonna do DP or some other mod that would void the warranty anyway. Basically, if you're worried about the factory warranty, you shouldn't be modding in the first place.

If that was the case, then yes, I agree. However, if someone wanted only to install an SRI and fuel pump, and leave the DP until after the warranty period, internals may be safer option for keeping the warranty. But I am only speculating as I have not installed an HPFP, or SRI, and haven't had an engine-related warranty issue.

[gar_lei]

I went with autotech so abt 3000KM, so far no prob.
But if i have extra cash, I would had gone for CPE pump

[loki]

but doesn't an aftermarket pump void a Mazda warranty? Internals are more difficult for the dealer to 'catch' in case there is a warranty issue? Or if one decides to upgrade their pump, they are okay with the fact that their warranty is voided?

I answered this for you in the other thread where you asked this question

Just leave your car stock and live in peace

[loki]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?49271-Random-MS3-Chat-Thread&p=903420&viewfull=1#post903420

Asking the same question multiple times in multiple threads doesn't change the answer

[hemlor]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?49271-Random-MS3-Chat-Thread&p=903420&viewfull=1#post903420

Asking the same question multiple times in multiple threads doesn't change the answer

In this thread I was responding to a comment, but I phrased it in a form of a question. You did reply to a question I had, but what I asked was the advantages to internals versus complete pump, and hypothesized why internals may be beneficial. Your comment that I should just leave my car stock is taken, but I would rather ask multiple times to get multiple opinions so that if I do decide to modify my car, I have as much information as possible. I appreciate your responses, and your knowledge but if it annoys you, please feel free to ignore.

[Fobio]

I have talked to each and everyone of you in some form or another so let me interject with a slice of what is the reality of things for most guys:

1. abtrakt/Adam is an apprentice mechanic. Not only should he be able to do the internals himself, he'd likely enjoy the challenge, and willing to deal with any consequences.

2. hemlor is more concerned about his warranty and whether an upgraded pump will affect it. it's a moot point since leaving the car stock, you will be covered by warranty and if you mod, then warranty be damned.

3. everyone else, either have chosen to get internals installed by a trusted mechanic, likely at about $350 for parts and $120 for install...or about $470 - 500. Or they got in on a CP-e FP for a no-hassle solution that comes with a warranty. since they plan to make more power, they understand the fuel pump is just one of the many steps, albeit one of the most important, to get to their goal.

[loki]

I think Abstrakt is more than capable of installing the internals himself, even its with a bit of "supervision"

[loki]

In this thread I was responding to a comment, but I phrased it in a form of a question. You did reply to a question I had, but what I asked was the advantages to internals versus complete pump, and hypothesized why internals may be beneficial. Your comment that I should just leave my car stock is taken, but I would rather ask multiple times to get multiple opinions so that if I do decide to modify my car, I have as much information as possible. I appreciate your responses, and your knowledge but if it annoys you, please feel free to ignore.

you asked if the dealer will be able to "catch" you with a fuel pump and void your warranty.

I told you that the pump from cp-e is the same as your stock pump. You then asked that same question again. I'm not annoyed and neither should you be.

All bullshit aside, the benefit of going with the cp-e fuel pump is the lifetime warranty and the fact that they test the product and break it in for you. At the end of the day, they're taking in other MS3 stock pumps and changing out the internals. Pretty much the same as you changing out the internals yourself, but they are guaranteeing you that they did it correctly.

If you are mechanically capable, then you should have no problems with swapping in a good set of internals.

[hemlor]

you asked if the dealer will be able to "catch" you with a fuel pump and void your warranty.

I told you that the pump from cp-e is the same as your stock pump. You then asked that same question again. I'm not annoyed and neither should you be.

All bullshit aside, the benefit of going with the cp-e fuel pump is the lifetime warranty and the fact that they test the product and break it in for you. At the end of the day, they're taking in other MS3 stock pumps and changing out the internals. Pretty much the same as you changing out the internals yourself, but they are guaranteeing you that they did it correctly.

If you are mechanically capable, then you should have no problems with swapping in a good set of internals.

Ok, good stuff, not annoyed at all. I was only asking what benefits internals had over complete pump, and it seems it comes down to price vs. lifetime pump warranty. Makes sense to me.

[abstrakt]

I think Abstrakt is more than capable of installing the internals himself, even its with a bit of "supervision"

you guys are too kind:blush haaha but i could def use the moral support when it comes time to install;)

[Snotrocket]

Love my autotech internals. I installed them myself and they work great! Never had any issue.

[Fack_Dude]

you guys are too kind:blush haaha but i could def use the moral support when it comes time to install;)

Dont be scared. Your an auto mechanic.after all bro!

[J_Logik]

I'm going to use autotech myself, as between the two brands, the KMD's have had more reported incidents. But if I had the choice between all three and money was no object, definitely the cp-e pump would be tops on the list!

[mazdaspeeding]

Where is the best (cheapest) place to order Autotech's through. I don't want to pay shipping/brokerage fees from the US. Ideally a Canadian Dealer would have them and ship for free in Canada. JRP?

[BlueStreak]

CTS Turbo (http://www.ctsturbo.com/cart/products/Autotech_FSI_High_Pressure_Fuel_Pump_Upgrade_Kit-463-24.html) has them. They're out of BC.

[Elusivellama]

Got mine from CTS Turbo. Fuel pressures still look good on the AP. No funny noises from under the hood whether getting on or letting off throttle.

[mleblond]

I used KMD internals, installed it myself and honestly it's pretty idiot proof to install them if you follow the instructions. But in the end CP-E pump will hold a higher pressure than internals afaik.

[mazdaspeeding]

I noticed CTS Turbo has authorized dealers in the GTA....anyone ever ordered through them (lukazsportz/SEM Motorsports/Auto Select) and got a better price than ordering direct?

[loki]

I noticed CTS Turbo has authorized dealers in the GTA....anyone ever ordered through them (lukazsportz/SEM Motorsports/Auto Select) and got a better price than ordering direct?

I bought mine from Auto Select.

Paid $135 cash

[mazdaspeeding]

$135 cash??? Is that a typo or am I missing something? They're $350ish everywhere else.

[SKYMP3]

$135 cash??? Is that a typo or am I missing something? They're $350ish everywhere else.


+1

Autotech is $359+tax shipped....not even $350

[Fobio]

I've asked our friend to look into sourcing these. I'll see what we can do to help you guys out.

We also have access to 3+ cores for swaps. However, I'm pretty sure I will not offer the service under MSpeed.

[loki]

I dealt with a guy nickamed Squid, don't know his real name, but he hooked me up good I guess

[Elusivellama]

^ I think he's just euphoric that he's getting out of Winterpeg.

[VertigoM]

Got mine from CTS Turbo. Fuel pressures still look good on the AP. No funny noises from under the hood whether getting on or letting off throttle.

I'm looking into getting Autotech internals as well. Did you perform the install yourself? I'm curious as to what causes noise issues because I've seen vids of cars with Autotech internals that sound absolutely horrible (loud rattling noises).

[SKYMP3]

I'm looking into getting Autotech internals as well. Did you perform the install yourself? I'm curious as to what causes noise issues because I've seen vids of cars with Autotech internals that sound absolutely horrible (loud rattling noises).


Got mine installed ay Jimmy's last month, no noise. Not sure what you talking about.
Probably my CAI and BVP's sound cover it out already

[VertigoM]

Got mine installed ay Jimmy's last month, no noise. Not sure what you talking about.
Probably my CAI and BVP's sound cover it out already

How much does Jimmy charge for the install?

Here's an example of the noise:

http://www.mazdaspeedforums.org/forum/f433/autotechs-installed-110780/

[Turok]

How much does Jimmy charge for the install?

Just give Jimmy a call.

[BIRDFLU]

I looked around and most places gave me the same price to have them shipped up here.. i ended up paying about 450 with shipping and taxes for my autotech.. i guess the profit margin isnt great on them so people arent selling them that cheap.

If you guys want a group buy i can get them a bit cheaper but it wouldnt be much cheaper...

[SKYMP3]

I looked around and most places gave me the same price to have them shipped up here.. i ended up paying about 450 with shipping and taxes for my autotech..


I get it at low 400s after shipping and tax from CTS.


How much does Jimmy charge for the install?


I did other stuff together at Jimmy's so price may vary.
I do not want to reveal his price, so pls call him directly for pricing.

[xli90]

i use autotech, no issues so far. recommend autotech.

[MS3_]

autotech for sure! i heard some stuff for kmd lol

[Crypto7]

I have been using CS HPFP here. 15,000+km & no issues with 94octane tune for target 20psi (Freektune)

[Blueimpact]

I have Autotech, been solid since 2012. Haven't seen it dip once. Install is always going to be a pain but so awesome when I got it done.

Plus, I got the AP+Autotech combo.

[loki]

You guys are commenting on a thread from 2012