Spacer install.. rubbing badly

[bluemazda3]

So I just installed my Ichiba spacers in the rear and took a drive with a few friends and all I hear is scrapping noises, went out and took a look and my tires were a little shredded..
So what are my options for this? I currently have 225-45-17 tires on 17x7 tenzos. Could I get away with rolling the fenders? or go with smaller tires? Its fine with just me in the car no rubbing issue..

[krimsalt]

how big were the spacers? In my opinion you'll need to roll the fenders AND get smaller tires, but that all depends on the size of the spacers

[bluemazda3]

they are 12mm spacers.. so its pretty out there.. i'll take pics tomorrow and show you how it looks

[S.F.W.]

What size spacer ? What offset are the rims ? How stiff or soft are you running the shocks ?

[krimsalt]

thats almost half an inch. You might want to put smaller spacers

[bluemazda3]

right now its riding on Koni yellows set at 50/50, the rims are 17x7 +42

[Impressive]

Your tires are too wide.

215/45/17 you could make happen, but you'll definitely need a fender roll to fit what you currently have properly.

[Hyperion]

wow 225/45/17 on a 7 inch tire is huge.

If you have money, buy a new set of tires.
If you don't, leave the spacers until you need a new set of tires.

Also, roll and pull is your friend.

[bluemazda3]

Okay so I guess I can roll the fenders and get skinnier tires.. thanks guys

[krimsalt]

I'd also get thinner spacers...

[bluemazda3]

but it looks pretty bad ass... except for the rubbing

[krimsalt]

blown up tires look badass... then you get to drive on pure rims like trains :P

You're also going to put stress on your wheel bearings

[Kevin@nextmod]

just adjust some camber. 12mm on top of +42 isn't that crazy. 1 more degree of camber should be enough.

[bluemazda3]

If I ride by myself its fine... no rubbage..

Kevin if I add more degree on camber than will I have to still roll the fender and get smaller tires?

[Jackal]

When did you hear the scraping noises? Cornering or just driving around or going over speed bumps?

[bluemazda3]

well I had my buddy in the back he weighs about 180.. little moderate bumps scrapped pretty bad..

[silverstarmazda]

i got about the same wheel setup but with out the spacers....and i find only one side is actually shreadding wen i got a full load.... and it doesnt shred over fast bump...but over a mini hill in the middle of intersections... i took my flashlight and jamed it in the wheel well and rolled a bit and it help...i dont recommend since itll mess up you pait. my tires already did that so it didnt matter

[Jackal]

The reason why I ask is I will be putting 10mm spacers for the rear wheels and putting 18 x 7.5 5x100/114.3 - ET45. I sometimes have passengers in the rear so this should be interesting. If it rubs I will have to uninstall them. Don't think I'll roll the fenders nor add camber.

[bluemazda3]

The spacers are a PITA to install just to let you know...

[Kiyomi]

The spacers are a PITA to install just to let you know...

how so?

[Default User]

You need to get your friends on a diet.

[Kevin@nextmod]

I would still definitely get it rolled. Take some pics and pm me and i'll be able to see. Try to take it from the back of the car facing front.

[Kappa]

just pull your fenders... no need to get smaller tires and smaller spacers... +30 with a 7" wheel is not crazy... you can also run a little more camber to.. thats all up to you.

[Default User]

just pull your fenders... no need to get smaller tires and smaller spacers... +30 with a 7" wheel is not crazy... you can also run a little more camber to.. thats all up to you.

But he's running 225's on a 7" rim
His tires are actually swelling over by 20-25mm on bother the in an outside of the rim.

So he's actually running 9" width on 30 offset.

[Kevin@nextmod]

Techniicaly 225/45/17 is the same size as 205/50/17.

the recomended size for 7" rims is 215 but however even with 225 he's only going 10mm wider which = to 5 mm in and out. So technically he's only sticking out 5 mm more then 215 tires would.

But i could be wrong too. =)

[Kappa]

Techniicaly 225/45/17 is the same size as 205/50/17.

the recomended size for 7" rims is 215 but however even with 225 he's only going 10mm wider which = to 5 mm in and out. So technically he's only sticking out 5 mm more then 215 tires would.

But i could be wrong too. =)

Your not though lol

[Default User]

Techniicaly 225/45/17 is the same size as 205/50/17.

the recomended size for 7" rims is 215 but however even with 225 he's only going 10mm wider which = to 5 mm in and out. So technically he's only sticking out 5 mm more then 215 tires would.

But i could be wrong too. =)

Technically 225/45/17 is 225mm wide which is 8.86" wide
On a 7" wide rim - the tires are sticking out 0.9" on the inside and 0.9" on the outside

Rounding up - he's running 9" width on a +30 offset which is causing it to rub bad. Rolling will help - but best bet is to pull off the spacers or go down to a 215 tire

[aZuMi]

The reason why I ask is I will be putting 10mm spacers for the rear wheels and putting 18 x 7.5 5x100/114.3 - ET45. I sometimes have passengers in the rear so this should be interesting. If it rubs I will have to uninstall them. Don't think I'll roll the fenders nor add camber.

That should be fine in the 2nd gen with your current offset...


how so?
+1. I thought it was pretty simple..


well I had my buddy in the back he weighs about 180.. little moderate bumps scrapped pretty bad..
I don't think it's a good idea to put passengers right after you put a spacer. But regardless, I think rolling your fenders is a must. Try that first, then do an alignment with added camber

[Kevin@nextmod]

Technically 225/45/17 is 225mm wide which is 8.86" wide
On a 7" wide rim - the tires are sticking out 0.9" on the inside and 0.9" on the outside

Rounding up - he's running 9" width on a +30 offset which is causing it to rub bad. Rolling will help - but best bet is to pull off the spacers or go down to a 215 tire

agreed.!! +1 on this.

[bluemazda3]

how so?


I thought it was just a take off the wheels install the spacers than put the wheels on.. but you have to take the calipers off the rotors.. hit the studs out.. press the new studs in.. that was a PITA...

[bluemazda3]

will take pics today..

[Kiyomi]

I thought it was just a take off the wheels install the spacers than put the wheels on.. but you have to take the calipers off the rotors.. hit the studs out.. press the new studs in.. that was a PITA...

ahh i c. U got the version 1 Ichiba's? The V2's are so much easier to deal with/resell.

[bluemazda3]

yeah I thought it was going to be easy... took a whole 2 hours to finish it..

[Aitch]

Maybe its just me but this seems like a simple problem to solve:

1) Rubbing because the wheels are out too far? Take off spacers 'cause they are too wide. Or get smaller ones. Sure its a PITA but its non-destructive to the car's body and saves the tires.

2) Like the bad-ass look? (I do!) Make it fit. First step after you've got offset where you want it is almost always to roll the fenders. Its the inside edge that no one can see so get it flattened so the tires can be close to that outside edge.

3) If you've rolled and still have rubbing, you have to decide between going with narrower tires or using camber to tuck in the top edges.

Keep in mind more camber will eat your tires faster IF you keep the factory's recommended toe settings. If you want negative camber your toe at ride height should be close to zero degrees.

[schmat66]

Here I got the best solution. Sell them to me

[bluemazda3]

lol haaa im not selling yet unless its last resort

[bluemazda3]

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sorry about the iphone pics.. so right now im going to take out the spacers for now.. untill i need to buy new tires..

[midnightfxgt]

Looks like you pulled the fender out a touch. You will want to fix that before running spacers again. Best way to fix? Just roll the damn fenders lol

[bluemazda3]

gotcha john.. gonna do that soon..

[Kappa]

im telling you roll your fenders and you will be fine... i had this same issue rolled my fenders and i was good to go...

[Kappa]

This was my old setup... i did not rub.. i had my fenders rolled

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252068_10150261950386185_518066184_7600957_763997_ n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/283030_10150261950616185_518066184_7600960_5339676 _n.jpg

Edit: my setup was +35 7.5" wheel and 225/45/17

[bluemazda3]

rolling fenders soon... just gotta wait for my buddy to grab his teams fender roller

[6strings]

Im interested in spacers. On prokits/koni set at 50/50. Rim are RX8. 8mm too much?

[zzz3]

Im interested in spacers. On prokits/koni set at 50/50. Rim are RX8. 8mm too much?
Assuming that you are talking about rears:

At pro kit height you should be fine with new offset (+42). Under full load and or compression, I'm not sure if you'll rub in the back. I doubt it since you have konis. You can always drive one wheel up a curb to see for yourself.

[6strings]

Ill have to check soon on that.

[Kappa]

rolling fenders soon... just gotta wait for my buddy to grab his teams fender roller


How did you make out?