Mirror fell off....windshield integrity compromised?

[mvr]

Soo, I come back to my car after not driving it for a while to move it back to prevent flat spots on the tire. I look at my rear view mirror...wtf its not there?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/frankie1001/fd8ab593.jpg

Apparently it fell off while it was just sitting there.

Is the integrity of the windshield compromised? Theres about 1mm or so of glass missing from that spot which is stuck onto the backing for the mirror.

I was going to get it replaced since I dont think the mirror will ever stick properly even if I try to fix it....just wanted to see your guys' take on this whether it can be fixed or just replace the windshield. I'm prepared to replace it anyways since it appears that it would be the best option.

[Noisy Crow]

Yup, your windshield needs replacing. The inner layer of glass must have cracked due to stress fractures... really odd though.

[mvr]

Yup, your windshield needs replacing. The inner layer of glass must have cracked due to stress fractures... really odd though.

Its possible that I've hit my head on it a couple of times when moving around. Strange that it came off itself after letting the car sit there for about 1 week.

[SonicBoy]

Possible Temperature changes caused the fractures to expand.

That is a weird one though.

Windhshield could be expensive as it has the rains sensor but search this board as there was a topic about replacing the windshield and the best place/price.

[knowell]

I'm not sure if it's in this forum or in M3F/Mazdas247 but I read you can re-use the rain sensor with your new windshield.

[Hyperion]

Speedyglass quoted me $620 ti replace without rain sensors so....... Hope you have money.

[Flagrum_3]

Thats Farked Up! ...New windshield for sure! But unfortunately I don't think insurance will cover this, so it's out of pocket...damn that sucks.


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[Thrizzl3]

Speedyglass quoted me $620 ti replace without rain sensors so....... Hope you have money.

lol i got quoted $1xx for a windshield with no rain sensor from the dealer...

[peterm15]

Something is wrong here.

Laminated glass is impossible to separate like that. Is it at all possible what you see is residual epoxy that is used to hold the mirror on. did you actually feel the windshield to make sure it's broken and not just glue.

I've worked in the glass industry for most of my life ( I'm 26 and cut my first piece at 9, family company) and have never seen this. Granted I do not work with auto glass but the concepts are the same. It's all the same glass.

If the glass itself did actually break IMO that's a major safety concern that could result in a recall.

[Flagrum_3]

Something is wrong here.

Laminated glass is impossible to separate like that. Is it at all possible what you see is residual epoxy that is used to hold the mirror on. did you actually feel the windshield to make sure it's broken and not just glue.

I've worked in the glass industry for most of my life ( I'm 26 and cut my first piece at 9, family company) and have never seen this. Granted I do not work with auto glass but the concepts are the same. It's all the same glass.

If the glass itself did actually break IMO that's a major safety concern that could result in a recall.

I was thinking the same ...

Your comment on laminated glass also makes sense, the windsheild should have burst in to a gazillion pieces. But who knows maybe there is some kind of lamanent thats holds everything together.

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[mvr]

Something is wrong here.

Laminated glass is impossible to separate like that. Is it at all possible what you see is residual epoxy that is used to hold the mirror on. did you actually feel the windshield to make sure it's broken and not just glue.

I've worked in the glass industry for most of my life ( I'm 26 and cut my first piece at 9, family company) and have never seen this. Granted I do not work with auto glass but the concepts are the same. It's all the same glass.

If the glass itself did actually break IMO that's a major safety concern that could result in a recall.

I did feel the hole and its an actual hole about 1-1.5mm deep.

I think it may have been aftermarket glass. It was replaced a few years ago, not by me though. About a month prior, I did see from the outside that the glass looked a bit funny...kind of like a bullethole type of damage where the mirror connected to the glass (obviously not punctured but it looked like it).

I got quoted by Speedy Gonzalez glass to replace it with an OEM+rainsensor for $300.

[peterm15]

Wow. Even with cheap china glass that should never happen.

[krimsalt]

This is a first I've seen... Like the comment above the glass would normally not fracture.

[TheMAN]

I did feel the hole and its an actual hole about 1-1.5mm deep.

I think it may have been aftermarket glass. It was replaced a few years ago, not by me though. About a month prior, I did see from the outside that the glass looked a bit funny...kind of like a bullethole type of damage where the mirror connected to the glass (obviously not punctured but it looked like it).

I got quoted by Speedy Gonzalez glass to replace it with an OEM+rainsensor for $300.

you think? you can see what glass you have just by looking at what is etched on the glass... it tells you WHO made it!

[mvr]

Just an update. Got the windshield taken care of with a new OEM one.

The previous one was in fact an aftermarket brand.

Here is a picture of the glass that was stuck on the mirror:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/frankie1001/db284163.jpg

[peterm15]

I was thinking the same ...

Your comment on laminated glass also makes sense, the windsheild should have burst in to a gazillion pieces. But who knows maybe there is some kind of lamanent thats holds everything together.

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Your actually wrong here. Tempered breaks like that. All other windows in your car are tempered.
Your windshield is laminated. Which is 2 pc of glass ( probably 2-3mm) laminated together with a piece of plastic film in between.

The op's glass essentially failed and was never laminated properly. The epoxy used to hold the mirror on proved to be stronger then the glass itself.

Good thing you got it replaced anyways. It most likely wasn't safe.

[McGuyver_3]

there are very limited companies that make windshields for mass production. Was the aftermarket window a saint gobart window? I had an aftermarket put in my 05 and my 10 sedan and they were the same manufacturer just didnt say Mazda on them. The difference in price was about 300$ for my 10 and 150$ for my 05 back when I had them changed. In order to do what happened to your window there must have been some sort of physical contact or there was a production error. I have seen the rearviews fall off of windshields before because the glue is old and tired, but never have I seen it come off of with glass before unless physical contact was made

[peterm15]

there are very limited companies that make windshields for mass production. Was the aftermarket window a saint gobart window? I had an aftermarket put in my 05 and my 10 sedan and they were the same manufacturer just didnt say Mazda on them. The difference in price was about 300$ for my 10 and 150$ for my 05 back when I had them changed. In order to do what happened to your window there must have been some sort of physical contact or there was a production error. I have seen the rearviews fall off of windshields before because the glue is old and tired, but never have I seen it come off of with glass before unless physical contact was made

I'd put money on production error.
I've seen cheap glass vs good glass. When replacing lami in commercial units I pay more for German glass vs Asian glass.
My first thought was bending at to high of a heat.
I have access to custom bent glass and there is a fine line between temps that need to be used.

My assumption is windshield glass is .030 ( thickness of the plastic in between the 2 pieces of glass) and most commercial is .015.

Making a windshield out of the wrong glass would probably have caused this problem. Ie. bending 015 lami at 030 temps.

[mvr]

there are very limited companies that make windshields for mass production. Was the aftermarket window a saint gobart window? I had an aftermarket put in my 05 and my 10 sedan and they were the same manufacturer just didnt say Mazda on them. The difference in price was about 300$ for my 10 and 150$ for my 05 back when I had them changed. In order to do what happened to your window there must have been some sort of physical contact or there was a production error. I have seen the rearviews fall off of windshields before because the glue is old and tired, but never have I seen it come off of with glass before unless physical contact was made

I bumped my head on it a couple of months ago, I guess thats what caused it.

I dont think the aftermarket was saint gobart. I didnt look at the brand before it was replaced but the guy replacing it told me that it was aftermarket.

[6strings]

That exact same thing happened to me. I haven't fixed it yet.

[TheMAN]

there are very limited companies that make windshields for mass production. Was the aftermarket window a saint gobart window? I had an aftermarket put in my 05 and my 10 sedan and they were the same manufacturer just didnt say Mazda on them. The difference in price was about 300$ for my 10 and 150$ for my 05 back when I had them changed. In order to do what happened to your window there must have been some sort of physical contact or there was a production error. I have seen the rearviews fall off of windshields before because the glue is old and tired, but never have I seen it come off of with glass before unless physical contact was made

very few? there's hundreds of glazing companies in the world... many are in 3rd world countries like china, which is where we get all our cheap crappy $50 windshields from.... the glass is thin, the lamination is crap, and there are lots of stresses in the frit areas... those cheap crappy windshields compromises the structural integrity of the car, as well as having poor protection for occupants

there are VERY FEW GOOD glazing companies in the world... to name a few, Saint-Gobain Sekurit (OEM maker for the 3, 2nd largest in the world), Pilkington/Nippon Safety Glass (NSG) group (largest in the world), PPG, Carlex, Asahi glass


oh and NONE of the 1st gen factory glass has the mazda logos on them
the only way to tell if you got an ARG Sekurit glass or OEM Sekurit glass is by the etchings on the glass... ARG Sekurit will be Colombian made and DOT certified only... OEM is certified for Japan, Europe, DOT, and China... OEM windshield is made at the Central Glass factory in Japan (owned by Sekurit)

[TheMAN]

I bumped my head on it a couple of months ago, I guess thats what caused it.

I dont think the aftermarket was saint gobart. I didnt look at the brand before it was replaced but the guy replacing it told me that it was aftermarket.

why don't you go look at the branding etched at the corner of your windshield and tell us what it is? you NEED to care about what is on your car because glass is NOT just glass and it is big part of the safety of your car
the new windshield might not do you any better if you got some crap lingadingling brand glass

[aris]

very few? there's hundreds of glazing companies in the world... many are in 3rd world countries like china, which is where we get all our cheap crappy $50 windshields from.... the glass is thin, the lamination is crap, and there are lots of stresses in the frit areas... those cheap crappy windshields compromises the structural integrity of the car, as well as having poor protection for occupants

there are VERY FEW GOOD glazing companies in the world... to name a few, Saint-Gobain Sekurit (OEM maker for the 3, 2nd largest in the world), Pilkington/Nippon Safety Glass (NSG) group (largest in the world), PPG, Carlex, Asahi glass


oh and NONE of the 1st gen factory glass has the mazda logos on them
the only way to tell if you got an ARG Sekurit glass or OEM Sekurit glass is by the etchings on the glass... ARG Sekurit will be Colombian made and DOT certified only... OEM is certified for Japan, Europe, DOT, and China... OEM windshield is made at the Central Glass factory in Japan (owned by Sekurit)


I just checked my windsheild cause i replaced it last year and i went to Apple Auto glass and they put in a Saint-Gobain Sekurit ...

[mvr]

why don't you go look at the branding etched at the corner of your windshield and tell us what it is? you NEED to care about what is on your car because glass is NOT just glass and it is big part of the safety of your car
the new windshield might not do you any better if you got some crap lingadingling brand glass

The windshield was replaced last week, i dont keep old windshield sitting around so i cant check the brand anymore. I already stated i go an oem replacement

[TheMAN]

I was asking about your new glass... make sure!!
seems like many people get confused over what "OEM" means (don't get me started), so it's better safe than sorry to double check what you got!

[mvr]

I was asking about your new glass... make sure!!
seems like many people get confused over what "OEM" means (don't get me started), so it's better safe than sorry to double check what you got!

New one is Saint-Gobain ,matches the brand of all the other windows on my car.

[TheMAN]

good.. you shouldn't have any problems then :)