Fog lights illegal?

[gregayoup]

Funny story,

today a cop stopped me because apparently it's illegal to have both my headlights and fog lights on at the same time. (like most cars do). After arguing with the cop on how it isn't illegal because the car came with them and they go on with the headlights, he said no it's illegal and proceeded to give me a ticket.

Once he came back with the ticket however, the ticket said "being the driver of a road vehicle, and not dimming the front headlights when street is well lit" So basically he gave me a ticket for having my high beams on (which they weren't) when he told me he was giving me a ticket for having my fog lights on (which isn't against the law)

Guess he was having a boring night...

[loosecannon]

Wow. Talk about being lucky.

FIGHT IT.

[gregayoup]

Wouldn't it be my word against his? couldn't he easily say that my high beams were on? I have my girlfriend who was in the car with me who can also testify that they were not on

[m3rk]

wow. Any HIDs?

I have both of mine on at night and many incoming cars flash/high beam me when I'm passing them... Get's annoying especially at an intersection. One time a guy turning left flashed me when I was crossing the intersection and I almost hit the island beside him because I couldn't see for a quick second.

I have 6000k lighting and I'm treated as having highbeams on...

[Thrizzl3]

i drive with my headlights and fogs all the time...wtf?

[gregayoup]

yeah I have HID in both my fogs and headlights, but they aren't aimed high.. and they dont bother anyone

[thenightvision88]

Usually its the new officers that want to prove something that give lame tickets. Every officer was fine with my blue licence plate lights but I got a rookie who was in training that gave me the ticket.

Ya I don't think there is a law stating that you cant have your fog lights on when its not foggy.

[gregayoup]

that and also, the ticket states that i was driving with my high beams on... which wasn't true

[Seshan]

that and also, the ticket states that i was driving with my high beams on... which wasn't true

Are your HIDs after market? That's probably why. They are probably blinding on coming drivers. The fog light one is BS, Aren't the fogs always on in the new 3's?

[standsideways]

If your story is accurate, his ticket is completely 100% invalid, take that to court.

What a joke, he will look like quite the douche in court for making up his own HTA lol

However, if you have HID's in your fogs,like said above you are probably blinding people with HID's in halogen reflectors scattering all that light all over the place. You can aim your fogs,
That will help.

[gregayoup]

Headlights and Fogs are already aimed properly so that they dont blind anybody, I specifically did that when I installed them because I didn't want any problems

[gregayoup]

What would I say in court? would my girlfriend testifying the same story help?

[1UP]

Fight that shit. He's wrong in every way and changing his story on the ticket shows that he realized he was wrong too.

You can get it fully taken away, just fight it :)

[1UP]

The ticket fully taken away **

[standsideways]

What would I say in court? would my girlfriend testifying the same story help?

There is no story to tell.

He gave you a bogus ticket, made up an excuse like they always try to do when they dont like your car ;)

[standsideways]

However hid's in halogen fixtures are technically not legal...

[silverstarmazda]

having your fog lights on during the day is illegal. but its not a law that most officers give tickets too. as for hid's. if the car didnt come with it, its illegal. but again, not a law thats ticked too often as long as theyre not overly bright or distracting to other drivers.

fight the ticket, itll take 6-8 months to get a date and another couple of months to actually show up in court. it took my ticket almost a year to clear through and in the end they dropped it. there is no harm in fighting a ticket, make the officer and the court work to convict you. and if you lose in court you can always make a deal with the court to lower the fine or reduce the penalties

the low beam projectors produce a clean cut off line that is lower then the windshield of on coming cars to reduce glare. however the high beam housing is a reflector and produces a scattered "flood" light. this flood light distracts drivers that are in front of you (on coming or same lane). the fog light can only be aimed up or down. the foglight housing also doesnt efficiently reflect the light out (hid or not) so the brightness of the fog lights should not be a problem (unless your running 55w)

i personally have hid's in my low and fog lights. the hid's in the fog lights are not blinding at all any way you look at them. i might just switch back to hologen because im getting a more even light colour. hid's in the fog (for me) dont really help any more than the hologen bulbs.

[standsideways]

having your fog lights on during the day is illegal. ... as for hid's. if the car didnt come with it, its illegal.

Find me the section in the HTA that says that please, i cannot find it anywhere. Equipment/lights is section 62

In other provinces HTA's it clearly states fogs can be used with drl's or regular headlights(sections 63 or 62 are usually equipment)

It says we can have 4 lighted lamps on the front up to 300 candela. That doesnt mean your markers.

I like to know the HTA goood because most police dont even know the HTA, and people get given tickets for offenses that dont exist lol


HID's are not illegal if you have the correct housings. We used to get requests on tundra's and sequoia's all day and we had to tell em they dont make HID housings yet and we cannot do it with the halogen housings. That came straight from the MTO because we WANTED to install them but the mto said no deal with those housing.

Obviously its one of those things, like you said, who the heck enforces it?

[vinnierap]

Where did it happen? what police service? I got pulled over by york back in January and he told me everything was video and voice recorded. So, if everything is video and voice recorded, when you get disclosure you shoudl hear the conversation betweenthe 2 of you. If not its gonna be he said he said.

[gregayoup]

It happened in montreal by the SVPM, Im not sure if it was recorded

[vip3r87]

wow. Any HIDs?

I have both of mine on at night and many incoming cars flash/high beam me when I'm passing them... Get's annoying especially at an intersection. One time a guy turning left flashed me when I was crossing the intersection and I almost hit the island beside him because I couldn't see for a quick second.

I have 6000k lighting and I'm treated as having highbeams on...

Haha. So let me get this straight. You are blinding people, and it's because of your HIDs, and they are letting you know that your lights aren't aimed properly...

And it's annoying you? Really?

[Mazdy]

Everytime you get a bogus ticket like this you say....

"Thanks officer, ill see you in court"

[Jackal]

Everytime you get a bogus ticket like this you say....

"Thanks officer, ill see you in court"

How many times have you said that? ;)

[standsideways]

Haha. So let me get this straight. You are blinding people, and it's because of your HIDs, and they are letting you know that your lights aren't aimed properly...

And it's annoying you? Really?

Lol +1

And the best part is that you cant even properly aim a HID in a halogen reflector/projector.

No matter what it isnt going to be the same as a HID projector/reflector.

[kenghk]

the low beam projectors produce a clean cut off line that is lower then the windshield of on coming cars to reduce glare. the foglight housing also doesnt efficiently reflect the light out (hid or not) so the brightness of the fog lights should not be a problem (unless your running 55w)


both of these statements are not entirely accurate. the non-hid projectors may have a cutoff line but also allow light above it. That's what lights up overhead signs. HID is a different light source and so putting it in halogen equipment produces unwanted light distribution and it's illegal.

If you have an HID kit in your car you shold get a ticket.

[srxnick]

Haha. So let me get this straight. You are blinding people, and it's because of your HIDs, and they are letting you know that your lights aren't aimed properly...

And it's annoying you? Really?

Hahah, I try and flash everyone I see with blinding HID's. Actually just last week someone was on my ass with them, and after he sped by me I caught up and sat behind him with my high beams on. I can be a bit stubborn...

[kenghk]

Hahah, I try and flash everyone I see with blinding HID's. Actually just last week someone was on my ass with them, and after he sped by me I caught up and sat behind him with my high beams on. I can be a bit stubborn...

I do the same thing, I'm thinking of getting some 6000-8000k HID and put them behind my grill for this very purpose.

[mikey32235]

LOLLLLLLLL what an *******! fight that man thats a friggen joke i can't believe that happened to u. those are a walk in the park. what were they $110 each?

[Johns 08 3 GT]

What the officer might be getting confused with is driving with too many lights on. IIRC you can drive with 4 forward facing head lights on but not any more. So say if you have off road lights and are driving with all of them on a public road, thats illegal.

[Tahna Los]

Reminds me of the story of how I got a ticket while using my cellphone.

While parked on the side of the road.

After being pulled over for a different car offense (rolling stop at a stop sign).

While letting my contact know that I was going to be late because I got pulled over.

Sheesh.

He didn't even bother to show up in court after I said I would fight it.

[ACC_Archie]

I was pulled over for getting up to the speed limit too quickly, after we argued the fact that I wasn't speeding (no radar)he came back to me with a license plate cover infraction for my smoked plate cover. I made an appointment with the JP and cleared me of the ticket. Still a huge pain to deal with time off work and lines at the courthouse.

[sube]

Fight the ticket, 99 times out of a hundred the Cop won't show up in court and the ticket gets tossed.

Pat.

[p-o-g-i]

So as other's have mentioned..... I agree in "disputing" the ticket. (When you're in court or talking with the JOP, never say "fight"; you're "disputing" a ticket.... just a word of advice). Giving you a ticket for having your foglights on with you headlights is a bogus ticket, but I can almost guarentee you that having HID's installed in your fogs probably influenced him to pull you over in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I have HID's in my fogs as well. But you can't expect to mod your car and not get harassed once in a while by 5-0. It may seem to be a small/ insignificant mod to you. Some people get away with no attention, some get pulled over all the time. Just the luck of the draw.

Bottom line, I say dispute the ticket.

[jay93]

Usually its the new officers that want to prove something that give lame tickets. Every officer was fine with my blue licence plate lights but I got a rookie who was in training that gave me the ticket.

Ya I don't think there is a law stating that you cant have your fog lights on when its not foggy.


LOL cus have a blue light to display your plate is allowed as far as i know...white only

[Rob23]

Funny story,

today a cop stopped me because apparently it's illegal to have both my headlights and fog lights on at the same time. (like most cars do). After arguing with the cop on how it isn't illegal because the car came with them and they go on with the headlights, he said no it's illegal and proceeded to give me a ticket.

Once he came back with the ticket however, the ticket said "being the driver of a road vehicle, and not dimming the front headlights when street is well lit" So basically he gave me a ticket for having my high beams on (which they weren't) when he told me he was giving me a ticket for having my fog lights on (which isn't against the law)

Guess he was having a boring night...

So basically you got a ticket for having your headlights on full during the day, when you should only have your day running lights on. From what I know this is a valid ticket. Your not allowed to run your headlights on full when your driving during the day.
The fog lights simply come on with the headlights, so thats how he knew your headlights were on full. It has nothing to do with your fog lights being on just that you had your headlights on.

I could be wrong but Im almost 100% sure it is illegal to have your headlights on during the day.

[Aitch]

Yes but the OP states this was at night.

[bluntman]

Yes but the OP states this was at night.

...and it happened in Montreal, Quebec.


It happened in montreal by the SVPM, Im not sure if it was recorded

Interpretation of their rules may be different than our rules (the HTA and its regulations) by our police force.

[ValdesX]

Someone mind referencing the law stating that you can't drive with your Headlights on full during the day? (My interpretation is Low beams, not High beams)

[standsideways]

Afaik there is nothing in the ontario HTA that says you CANNOT have your headlights on in the daytime.

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Lamps
Lamps required on all motor vehicles except motorcycles
62. (1) When on a highway at any time from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise and at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less, every motor vehicle other than a motorcycle shall carry three lighted lamps in a conspicuous position, one on each side of the front of the vehicle which shall display a white or amber light only, and one on the rear of the vehicle which shall display a red light only. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (1).
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Exception
(5) Despite subsections (2) and (3), where a motorcycle that was manufactured prior to the 1st day of January, 1970 is operated on a highway, the lighted lamps required under subsections (2) and (3) shall be required only during the period from one-half hour before sunset to one-half hour after sunrise, or at any other time when, due to insufficient light or unfavourable atmospheric conditions, persons and vehicles on the highway are not clearly discernible at a distance of 150 metres or less. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.8, s. 62 (5).

[jeffjones]

Haven't read the whole thread but There is a law where you cannot have more then 4 lamps on the front over a certain lumens (one of the reasons why your foglights turn off when using your highbeams