another rust thread

[bubba1983]

anyways, we all know about the 3rd brake light, fenders, door pillars, bla bla bla

i havn't come across this myself personally on the forum yet....so here goes
over the tail end of the winter ive noticed my trunk floor mat damp....
winter has gone...so i went to investigate today............

right side
http://raptor.golden.net/~barnes123/IMG-20130420-01282.jpg

left side
http://raptor.golden.net/~barnes123/IMG-20130420-01281.jpg

full view
http://raptor.golden.net/~barnes123/IMG-20130420-01283.jpg

so as you see, now the inside of the fender is starting to go on me....water was seeping in and sitting down in the spare tire area

ill be patching it up myself, but thought id post on here jus to show everybody another potential trouble spot

i havnt torn apart the inner fender liner yet, thats for next weekend to see how ugly it is in there...

[Manpreet]

Wow that's messed up

[aris]

That's sucks... I can't believe how bad these cars rust

[sarujo]

Wow! What year is your car? Sedan?

[The Wolf]

This is essentially a 10 year old car, and it was the worst for rust (first gen, pre-facelift). Did you krown?

still sucks Bubba. When this happens to mine, it's GONE.

[bubba1983]

I did krowne for years then the fender rust started so isaid **** krowne
Its an 04 sedan
Im gonna ghetto patch it for now
With the wedding in the works i cant go out looking for smtg else jis yet

[Dave_The_BMXER]

That's kind of ****ed. I was doing some false floor work today and thankfully mine is clean.

[silverstarmazda]

This is essentially a 10 year old car, and it was the worst for rust (first gen, pre-facelift). Did you krown?

still sucks Bubba. When this happens to mine, it's GONE.

well f*ck, gotta go check mine.... damn gen 1 Ver.1

[Mitchell3]

wow thats a lot.. Ive been lucky so far knock on wood. When mine rusts maybe ill just make it into a bass car :P

edit: of course maybe id rattle it apart then..

[Rob23]

****ing Mazda

[Punkrockjohn]

damn man, that sucks

[stock3]

I suspect that water was leaking into the trunk.

[Default User]

****ing Mazda

LOL

I was saying that all day today at the Big Boy meet.

....well that and how I miss my Mazda LOL

[Flagrum_3]

I suspect that water was leaking into the trunk.

Definately a leak and most likely from the rear window seal. This is not just a Mazda only issue, it can happen to any vehicle!....I also don't believe 'any' type of rustproofing would protect against this, as no one sprays interior metal, as in trunks spare tire wells etc.

If I were bubba, I'd be concentrating on finding the leak. The rust already formed can be treated with Krown T40, but if the leak is not found, it'll just get worse.


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[Cab0oze]

Definately a leak and most likely from the rear window seal. This is not just a Mazda only issue, it can happen to any vehicle!....I also don't believe 'any' type of rustproofing would protect against this, as no one sprays interior metal, as in trunks spare tire wells etc.

If I were bubba, I'd be concentrating on finding the leak. The rust already formed can be treated with Krown T40, but if the leak is not found, it'll just get worse.


_3Exactly... bit dissappointed that the first 11 posts were all blaming mazda for this.
Wet carpet... what looks like mold around the corners, and surface rust on the inside. All the signs are there. I'm surprised you didnt' notice it sooner (a smell or something)

[aris]

Exactly... bit dissappointed that the first 11 posts were all blaming mazda for this.
Wet carpet... what looks like mold around the corners, and surface rust on the inside. All the signs are there. I'm surprised you didnt' notice it sooner (a smell or something)


Fyi everyone blaming Mazda has rust issues on their own car, mine included

[Rob23]

I stand by my statement.

[Zuluwun]

lol Rob, you have a really love/hate relationship with your car, don't you?

[Rob23]

lol Rob, you have a really love/hate relationship with your car, don't you?

Yes lol

[vertigo]

My '05 hatch has the rear fenders almost completely destroyed, and now there's bubbling around the right rear backup light and at the bottom of the hatch on the left side.

Never again will I buy a Mazda.

[Cab0oze]

My '05 hatch has the rear fenders almost completely destroyed, and now there's bubbling around the right rear backup light and at the bottom of the hatch on the left side.

Never again will I buy a Mazda.Even if they addressed the problem, the car looks sexy, and it is just as fun to drive? Don't be a hater.

[Manpreet]

My '05 hatch has the rear fenders almost completely destroyed, and now there's bubbling around the right rear backup light and at the bottom of the hatch on the left side.

Never again will I buy a Mazda.

You be surprised how many other cars rust out in those same areas like cabooze said don't hate

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Honestly I'll probably never buy another Mazda either.

Rust combined with new design direction.

[aris]

Honestly I'll probably never buy another Mazda either.

Rust combined with new design direction.

Neither would I.... Many reason for me is rust

[Rob23]

How is it hating? we bought the car, they ALL rust in the exact same areas. Yes other cars rust, but not every single one in the exact same areas like the mazdas.

[bubba1983]

so a lil up date
found a few more pressing issues
their was a few spots under the weather stripping in the trunk that was letting water in very noticeably....
i addressed those very ghetto like last night....time will tell....
i have a plan b for that if my plan a doesn't work....
still havn't addressed the fender potion of it yet

[Flagrum_3]

How is it hating? we bought the car, they ALL rust in the exact same areas. Yes other cars rust, but not every single one in the exact same areas like the mazdas.

Sorry but not ALL...Along with my '05, I've seen several other Mazdas with absolutely no rust. Two in my condo alone, and they never were repaired for rust either. So go figure, some rust out too shit and others not....it's like a crapshoot lol. But I have also been paying attention to other makes and noticed Nissans, Toyotas etc all rusting also. Maybe not quite as early but still rusting...not so much VW/Audis though.

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[aris]

Sorry but not ALL...Along with my '05, I've seen several other Mazdas with absolutely no rust. Two in my condo alone, and they never were repaired for rust either. So go figure, some rust out too shit and others not....it's like a crapshoot lol. But I have also been paying attention to other makes and noticed Nissans, Toyotas etc all rusting also. Maybe not quite as early but still rusting...not so much VW/Audis though.

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My car rusted too ( krowned from brand new never missed a year and always kept spotless) so I'm with Rob on this issue


if it happened to yours then you would feel the same

[Airman Jack]

The early generations are well known for having rust problems which Mazda claims were addressed on the 06 or 07 model year, IIRC.

I'm aboot to get my wheel well rust fixed and paint the whole car at the same time, will set me back around $2500 sadly, but I'm still in love with my car!

[Flagrum_3]

My car rusted too ( krowned from brand nee never missed a year and always kept spotless) so I'm with Rob on this issue


if it happened to yours then you would feel the same

I think there is a comprehension problem here. I never said Mazdas don't rust, I just said not ALL do. The reason for this is a mystery to me, (why some do not). Yes I would definately feel pissed off, like you and the others if my car rusted out only after a few years, ...I would be infuriated! But also to single out Mazdas as the only rust buckets is also in error which was my point.


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[The Wolf]

How is it hating? we bought the car, they ALL rust in the exact same areas. Yes other cars rust, but not every single one in the exact same areas like the mazdas.

mine's not rusty. Guess it's not a Mazda :chuckle

[aris]

mine's not rusty. Guess it's not a Mazda :chuckle


Didn't you just get your back from rust repair?

[Cab0oze]

The early generations are well known for having rust problems which Mazda claims were addressed on the 06 or 07 model year, IIRC.

I'm aboot to get my wheel well rust fixed and paint the whole car at the same time, will set me back around $2500 sadly, but I'm still in love with my car!I've seen 07s at the dealerships that all had rust spots around the tail lights. I bought an 08.5, hopefully its 'fixed'...
In any case, regardless of whether rust does show up in a few years, for now I love my car to death. It looks awesome and its hella fun to drive. Same goes for my old 2004 Mz3 GT

For those of you that bought the car and now say you'll never buy another mazda regardless of anything, don't forget the reasons you originally bought it (probably the same reasons as me). Zoom zoom lol.

[bubba1983]

aaaaanyways...

[Rob23]

Sorry but not ALL...Along with my '05, I've seen several other Mazdas with absolutely no rust. Two in my condo alone, and they never were repaired for rust either. So go figure, some rust out too shit and others not....it's like a crapshoot lol. But I have also been paying attention to other makes and noticed Nissans, Toyotas etc all rusting also. Maybe not quite as early but still rusting...not so much VW/Audis though.

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mine's not rusty. Guess it's not a Mazda :chuckle

Yes a comprehension problem. when I say ALL I mean ALL the rusty Mazdas rust in the same spots every time. Every Mazda that rusts, they are all in the exact same spots.

[Flagrum_3]

Yes a comprehension problem. when I say ALL I mean ALL the rusty Mazdas rust in the same spots every time. Every Mazda that rusts, they are all in the exact same spots.

Well I'd suggest, that is not a comprehension problem on my part, but a bad writing ability on your part in the original statement. Anyways the comprehension statement was meant for Aris and my point stands. Not all Mazdas are rusting....not yet anyway-(As always, knocks on wood). Anyways anyone notice that the Mazda 5s don't seem to have the same issue? I know several people that own them, one being my niece. Hers' is an '06 and not a spec of rust, atleast not on the outter body panels, and she does not care for her car much either. So to me it is still a mystery why the 3s are rusting so badly in most cases.

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[Rob23]

Well I'd suggest, that is not a comprehension problem on my part, but a bad writing ability on your part in the original statement. Anyways the comprehension statement was meant for Aris and my point stands. Not all Mazdas are rusting....not yet anyway-(As always, knocks on wood). Anyways anyone notice that the Mazda 5s don't seem to have the same issue? I know several people that own them, one being my niece. Hers' is an '06 and not a spec of rust, atleast not on the outter body panels, and she does not care for her car much either. So to me it is still a mystery why the 3s are rusting so badly in most cases.

_3

Fair enough you are one of the lucky ones then. An my origonal statement was meant to the pll saying stop hating. Its not hating when you purchased the car and they rust after you have taken good care of it.
So i can complain all i want. If ppl dont like a reality check dont click on rust threads

[Airman Jack]

Most cars nearing 10 years old, if driven in the winter, are going to start showing signs of rust. Yes, there will be exceptions. No, this is not unique to Mazda.

What I find most interesting about this thread is that people seem to be saying "hey, I rust checked my car every year and it still rusted, Mazda is teh suXorZ!" As opposed to "man, rust check is a scam!".

[Rob23]

Whats funny to me is the ppl trying to justify this problem. When mazda has already come out and said this is a regular problem with the mazda 3 and give an additional warrenty for it. My car is an 04 and it is not even 10 years old. Yes cars rust when they get old obviously but that is not the problem here. The mazda has rust problems and that is that.
Ive accepted it.

[aris]

Most cars nearing 10 years old, if driven in the winter, are going to start showing signs of rust. Yes, there will be exceptions. No, this is not unique to Mazda.

What I find most interesting about this thread is that people seem to be saying "hey, I rust checked my car every year and it still rusted, Mazda is teh suXorZ!" As opposed to "man, rust check is a scam!".

rust check is not a scam.... You want pictures of my brothers truck that is 14 year old with no rust ? Or maybe a pictures of my old truck that I owned for 7 years that was rust proofed amd had no rust wen i sold it. Hell my dads old Mercedes was 14 years old when he wrote it off last spring and that car was never rust proofed and it had no rust?


The body shop that repaired te rust on mine told me mine was in decent shape... He ttold me if I didn't rust proof my car it would have being in worst shape.... He said they repair so many Mazda's.

i should also add my sister in laws 08 Mazda started to rust out at 2 years old so don't try and tell us that it's all cars rust.

[Flagrum_3]

I tend to keep my cars longterm and try to take maticulous care of them, but it still seems to be a crapshoot on whether the car will rust or not. My Sunbird did'nt show any rust till it was 14 yrs old, but then fell apart. My '87 Crx Si, no rust after 8 yrs, my '67 skylark no rust at all at 13 yrs but my '81 Prelude rusted to shit in 5 yrs...Like I said a crapshoot.

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[Airman Jack]

rust check is not a scam.... You want pictures of my brothers truck that is 14 year old with no rust ? Or maybe a pictures of my old truck that I owned for 7 years that was rust proofed amd had no rust wen i sold it. Hell my dads old Mercedes was 14 years old when he wrote it off last spring and that car was never rust proofed and it had no rust?


Um... lemme get this straight.... two trucks didn't rust WITH rust check, and a really expensive brand didn't rust WITHOUT rust check... did you not just prove my point?

[Flagrum_3]

Um... lemme get this straight.... two trucks didn't rust WITH rust check, and a really expensive brand didn't rust WITHOUT rust check... did you not just prove my point?

Not really...Everyone knows Mercedes vehicles are 'treated' at the factory exceptionally, hense why they take a decade and a half before starting to show rust. Now if you mention Rust check, are you speaking of the particular brand or throwing all rust products into the bag? Not all brands or treatments are alike. Oilspray type brands are really the only brands that can actually help slow down or prevent rusting in vehicles. It's a simple physics thing and proven for centuries in use with metals....Oil will prevent metal from rusting and dissipate water/moisture....I can show you a photo album from the Krown I go to, full of photos of customers vehicles treated and not rusted. Many of these cars are decades old!!. Oilspray type protection is NOT a scam, but many others out there are.

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[Manpreet]

I ripped apart my interior today to see If I have this problem and found out that in my trunk area on the left side has just started bubbling, so I'm guessing most of the first gen Mazda 3's have this problem

[Flagrum_3]

I ripped apart my interior today to see If I have this problem and found out that in my trunk area on the left side has just started bubbling, so I'm guessing most of the first gen Mazda 3's have this problem

Did you manage to find where the leak is from? I would assume this may be an issue with the sedan models only and from the looks of the pics posted, the leaks are coming from up top. So either the trunk seal (at the top) or the rear window seal would be my best quesses. This is actually a common problem with most sedans and will occur eventually after some time. Maybe with the 3s it's another premature failure.

Would like to hear from others sedan or hatch models, I just checked mine out and no issue yet...'05 Hatch.


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[Manpreet]

Did you manage to find where the leak is from? I would assume this may be an issue with the sedan models only and from the looks of the pics posted, the leaks are coming from up top. So either the trunk seal (at the top) or the rear window seal would be my best quesses. This is actually a common problem with most sedans and will occur eventually after some time. Maybe with the 3s it's another premature failure.

Would like to hear from others sedan or hatch models, I just checked mine out and no issue yet...'05 Hatch.


_3

I don't have a leak at all, the metal its self is rusting out, its like the door pillars how they rust from the inside out

[bubba1983]

Did you manage to find where the leak is from? I would assume this may be an issue with the sedan models only and from the looks of the pics posted, the leaks are coming from up top. So either the trunk seal (at the top) or the rear window seal would be my best quesses. This is actually a common problem with most sedans and will occur eventually after some time. Maybe with the 3s it's another premature failure.

Would like to hear from others sedan or hatch models, I just checked mine out and no issue yet...'05 Hatch.


_3

I beg to differ...you can _3 all you like...but i know its not coming from the rear window....i havnt yet pulled the fender liner. Thanks for your .02 anyway

[Dave_The_BMXER]

My hatch does not have this issue. 04

[Flagrum_3]

I beg to differ...you can _3 all you like...but i know its not coming from the rear window....i havnt yet pulled the fender liner. Thanks for your .02 anyway

The rear window seal was just a suggestion of several areas where leaks can occur, but, ... it definately looks like a leak.

Manpreet; Unless you post pics, one must go by your statements and since you posted you have the same issue one assumes your problem is similar to the pics shown. If it's not, don't claim it's comprable and all Mazda'a must be the same.

My 3c worth.

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[bubba1983]

So lets keep this on topic....keep your 3c to yourselves about bla bla bla...ill update with developments and such....

[Manpreet]

The rear window seal was just a suggestion of several areas where leaks can occur, but, ... it definately looks like a leak.

Manpreet; Unless you post pics, one must go by your statements and since you posted you have the same issue one assumes your problem is similar to the pics shown. If it's not, don't claim it's comprable and all Mazda'a must be the same.

My 3c worth.

_3

I don't mind I'll post a pic tomorrow



And bubba what gauge of metal would you be using if your going to to cut out and patch those rusted areas?

[bubba1983]

Ill be ghetto patching it if anything....tar. Paint. Etc jus like my old man did with his nova

[Manpreet]

http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y453/bigmon10/IMG_20130504_153109_zps74ca37ce.jpg (http://s1275.photobucket.com/user/bigmon10/media/IMG_20130504_153109_zps74ca37ce.jpg.html)

Here's my driver side in my trunk area