****Should I or Shouldn't I****

[PEPSIGIXXER]

So the question that I pose to my fellow TM3 members, I have the opportunity to trade in my 2010 MZ3 GT (94,500km) for a 2010 MZ speed (71,000km). Now the things that make this interesting is that I love my car and have been having fun modding it and it has not given me anything big to complain about in the way of mechanical issues but I really miss having the extra speed that comes with owning the speed other than having to pay the upgraded price on gas but if I had too, I would. As for insurance it is only $5.00 more a month to have the Speed over my GT. The other bonus is the speed has the Tech package installed and was something that I wanted in the GT but it really is not enough reason to trade in my car. Now that being said the cars are almost identical in mods and color, so if I did not say anything to anyone most people probably would not even notice until they saw the front end of the car and even then I think most would think it was just my old car modded. what do you guys think.

[Mr Wilson]

If you drive it, you'll never look back. It's a slippery slope.

Stopped in at the dealership, decided to take a Speed3 they had for a spin. Week later traded my GT hatch and came home with the Speed.

[optiklenz13]

I vote an overwhelming YES.. :) not being biased because Speed 3 owner.. I swear..

[Jackal]

Ask Timotee .
As for me I'm happy with my 2010GT. But if I did I'd keep it stock. Lol.

[Timotee]

Ask Timotee .
As for me I'm happy with my 2010GT. But if I did I'd keep it stock. Lol.

LOL!

Yuppers! Came from a 2010 MZ3 GT.....don't get me wrong, I loved the GT but I just wanted a wee bit more in terms of power. :)

So I therefore voted for YES!

Is it worth it? Friggin yeah!

You loved modding your GT eh?!? Your gonna love the speed. Sure, they both look indentical and with the mods you put in the GT, your thinking it's not worth it. Buddy, believe me.....it's worth it. :)

[Wylie]

straight up trade? either way, yes.. took one out for a drive, I miss the turbo.

[boo-ninja]

I've been thinking the same thing!!! My payments go up $30/month but my insurance drops $30/month! So.... I would say YES!!!

[Cab0oze]

I sold my 04 mz3GT for an 08 speed. Best choice ever.

[Aitch]

If you're happy to drive stick, and the financials work out favourably (i.e. at least break even or not a huge expense) and you can afford it, there isn't much downside. As you mentioned, only the increased cost of gas really.

[Aro51]

If it makes sense financially and it makes you happy go for it.

[greyseason]

who voted no?

[Jsquared]

What is the list price on the speed 3?

I can only echo others comments....if you can afford it, you're crazy not to do it.

I grabbed a Petro Points Mastercard which saves me 2 cents off a litre when paying with it. Once you have 15,000 petro points on your card you can grab a 5 cents off card from Petro canada and they combine for a total of 7 cents off a litre. If you start to use your mastercard to pay for everything your points will build up fast. I am just over 200,000 points in a year and a half of owning the card. Makes the gas that much more affordable if thats a concern.

[Slade]

Are you ready to pay $1.50/L for premium gas?

[S.F.W.]

Are you ready to pay $1.50/L for premium gas?

I pay it and am happy to continue. Though paying $1.45/l for U94 hurts the wallet.

[CloudPump]

What is the list price on the speed 3?

I can only echo others comments....if you can afford it, you're crazy not to do it.

I grabbed a Petro Points Mastercard which saves me 2 cents off a litre when paying with it. Once you have 15,000 petro points on your card you can grab a 5 cents off card from Petro canada and they combine for a total of 7 cents off a litre. If you start to use your mastercard to pay for everything your points will build up fast. I am just over 200,000 points in a year and a half of owning the card. Makes the gas that much more affordable if thats a concern.

Or just get a momentum infinite Visa. 4% off of gas which at 1.50/l for premium works out to 6c off a litre every time instead of 2c sometimes and 7c sometimes.

-Geoff

[Slade]

Just to put it number wise,

2010 Speed3 has a 15.9 gal tank. (60 Lt)

Premium is ~0.25$ more a liter.

60x0.25 = $15 more a fiill up.

To some that could make a huge difference (it did to me when I had my 3). depending on how much you drive a week, it could start to add up.

Not trying to be negative, just a side factor to think about.

I also just got a CIBC Mastercard/petro Points card and love it. I am saving my points for Best Buy cards however :D

[Jackal]

I pay it and am happy to continue. Though paying $1.45/l for U94 hurts the wallet.

A year from now if it goes up to $1.75 would you still be happy to continue to pay. That price is not that far fetched. Of course regular gas wouldn't be far behind.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

I have had a speed before and was quite happy paying the inflated price for gas to have the extra giddy up and go and by all means I do miss having that extra power for when you need to get around a ding dong that is being a jackass on the road.

[shift8]

I've owned the 2006 GT and 2010 GT and now the 2008.5 speed. Omg so much fun and modding feels worth it.

Of course gas is higher but for me that hasnt been a factor since I work from home but the price for 94 is definitely a bit of a sticker shock. Its not much cheaper to fill my car than it is to fill my van at 87.

Of course extra maintenance costs like oil etc but if you can justify the price of ownership it is a hella fun car to drive.

Maybe you'll mod slightly less and pay more for maintenance but so far im happy with just Cobb AP and upgraded intake system. Quite a big difference right there.

[loki]

A year from now if it goes up to $1.75 would you still be happy to continue to pay. That price is not that far fetched. Of course regular gas wouldn't be far behind.

People will pay it

[PEPSIGIXXER]

the list on the speed is $18,800 and I am pretty sure I can squeeze the dealer the get at least 15,000 for my GT


What is the list price on the speed 3?

I can only echo others comments....if you can afford it, you're crazy not to do it.

I grabbed a Petro Points Mastercard which saves me 2 cents off a litre when paying with it. Once you have 15,000 petro points on your card you can grab a 5 cents off card from Petro canada and they combine for a total of 7 cents off a litre. If you start to use your mastercard to pay for everything your points will build up fast. I am just over 200,000 points in a year and a half of owning the card. Makes the gas that much more affordable if thats a concern.

[DumpInfo]

If you can get what you're thinking do it...but now I'm wondering how many times a week will you be filling this badboy?


speed drivers: how much does it cost to fill up a tank assuming it's bone dry.

[Jsquared]

the list on the speed is $18,800 and I am pretty sure I can squeeze the dealer the get at least 15,000 for my GT

Thanks for the info man. I am selling my 2010 speed 3 in the summer and Ill likely have 60k or less so this is a good benchmark for my list price. If anything happens and this falls through, message me and Ill make you a great deal.

[Mr Wilson]

If you can get what you're thinking do it...but now I'm wondering how many times a week will you be filling this badboy?

speed drivers: how much does it cost to fill up a tank assuming it's bone dry.



94 Oct is $1.429 right now at the Dundas and Highbury Petro Canada (London).

Filled up before heading back to T.O. 22.586 litres for a total of $32.28 Did 228.7 KM from the full tank or 9.9L/100KM (approx 209 km hwy).

If there wasn't a drop in the tank (bone dry) it would have been $78.60 for a full tank.

[loki]

If you can get what you're thinking do it...but now I'm wondering how many times a week will you be filling this badboy?


speed drivers: how much does it cost to fill up a tank assuming it's bone dry.

my 50L tank costs me about $75 to fill up

we're not talking a drastic cost difference here. It's 24 cents a litre more...ok still $12. But it's the frequency you have to fill up that gets you more lol

[Jsquared]

If you can get what you're thinking do it...but now I'm wondering how many times a week will you be filling this badboy?


speed drivers: how much does it cost to fill up a tank assuming it's bone dry.

I have never let the tank run bone dry. I fill up when my tank sits at half. Usually around 55-57 dollars depending on cost of fuel and I usually achieve 240-260km per top half of the tank.

[DumpInfo]

Ok, I was thinking around that ballpark. Yeah, the consistency definitely will hit the wallet pretty hard if you're driving it a lot.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

at the moment 91OCT in shelburne is 1.389 which is about the same as what I was paying back when I had my speed and as long as I got around 400-450 to a tank I would be fine. Not to say that I care what gas prices are and I am not the sort of person that will go out of his way to save 2 cents a liter.


94 Oct is $1.429 right now at the Dundas and Highbury Petro Canada (London).

Filled up before heading back to T.O. 22.586 litres for a total of $32.28 Did 228.7 KM from the full tank or 9.9L/100KM (approx 209 km hwy).

If there wasn't a drop in the tank (bone dry) it would have been $78.60 for a full tank.

[Thrizzl3]

dooooo eeeeet. so worth it. screw the gas prices..you pay to play and you have fun doing it. Modding it is the best part :D

[miako]

I say go for it! maybe the op just want to keep the car stock? ;) and use 91 instead of 94oct. Even if the price of regular gas goes up to 1.80/L, for 94 it's still 20+ cents more per liter, it's the same ~$12 we are paying now anyway.

[Timotee]

The fuel consumption was one of my main concerns before but if you drive subtly for most part of the time, not much of a difference compared to our 2010 GTs. However, if you feel the need for speed....that is a different story. But for me, after driving this car on the first day, my concern for fuel consumption went out the window......if you love it ,drive it. :)

[Jackal]

People will pay it

But will we be happy to pay it? I don't think I'll be too happy to pay dat doe.

[loki]

I not happy paying for most things

[SomeGuy]

I voted no.

It's $70-80 to fill up. The actual cost per liter isn't the problem, it's the rate that speed 3's consume gas that is. In town I usually only get around 350-400km to a tank. Your gas bill WILL DOUBLE (trust me, I come from a 06 GS and my driving style did not change).

Plus the mod bug will hit you hard and mods are not cheap on speed 3's, it's not just intake and exhaust and done...it's a fuel pump, intercooler, downpipe, accessport and tune, it happens to all of us. How many bone stock speed 3's are there on here? None.

They are money pits and a bit more tempermental requiring a little more tender loving care (more maintenance more frequently).


If you can handle all that, then sure, knock yourself out.

[Thrizzl3]

stay out of boost and you're looking north of 500kms/tank...speed 3's aren't necessarily gas guzzlers unless you're always in boost. i can get 680kms to a tank with a tune and stage 2 bolt ons.

[Jackal]

stay out of boost and you're looking north of 500kms/tank...speed 3's aren't necessarily gas guzzlers unless you're always in boost. i can get 680kms to a tank with a tune and stage 2 bolt ons.

If you're going ta drive it like dat then why you buy a MS3? Do you actually drive it like that? All those Corollas be like another slow mazda.

[Thrizzl3]

If you're going ta drive it like dat then why you buy a MS3? Do you actually drive it like that? All those Corollas be like another slow mazda.

i was driving to bancroft and back on a single tank. just wanted to see how much i could stretch it since there was no 94 on the way there. now i only get about 450..with beating the shit out of it.

[Slade]

stay out of boost and you're looking north of 500kms/tank...speed 3's aren't necessarily gas guzzlers unless you're always in boost. i can get 680kms to a tank with a tune and stage 2 bolt ons.

How much $ mod wise did you have to put into it to get to 680km to a tank?

My main reason for getting a speed was that I needed that extra money from gas and what not to pay for rent and bills when I moved out. I was more concerned with getting out on my own then owning a faster car.

...now I drive a truck LOL, and get ~500km to a 70lt tank.

[Thrizzl3]

How much $ mod wise did you have to put into it to get to 680km to a tank?

My main reason for getting a speed was that I needed that extra money from gas and what not to pay for rent and bills when I moved out. I was more concerned with getting out on my own then owning a faster car.

...now I drive a truck LOL, and get ~500km to a 70lt tank.

you can dump as much money as you want as long as you're driving the car spiritedly. Look at my mod list i got 680 with all of that. The reason i got that much was that i was shifting at 2500 as opposed to 3000 like i do usually and i barely went into boost. It was also mostly hwy driving i was doing.

[SomeGuy]

With 100% highway mileage 600km/tank is not hard to do, especially on 2nd gen's with a 60 litre tank.

As said above though, why buy a speed 3 if you're not going to use the boost?

[Thrizzl3]

With 100% highway mileage 600km/tank is not hard to do, especially on 2nd gen's with a 60 litre tank.

As said above though, why buy a speed 3 if you're not going to use the boost?

unless i was willing to change back to a stage 2 91 map then i would have boosted all the way there..but since i wanted to see how much i could get on a custom 94 tune without boosting on a 55L tank then what's the point. It was a one time thing...Ask me how much i boost now. ALL THE TIME!

[SomeGuy]

Point of the thread is whether the guy should get a speed 3 or not....yes if you're gentle on the car it can get decent mileage but that's just not what you do with a speed 3.

Also stage 2 91 or custom 94, I'm guessing the closed loop side of things would be pretty close as most tuning focuses on the OL/CL transition and then OL.

[Cab0oze]

With 100% highway mileage 600km/tank is not hard to do, especially on 2nd gen's with a 60 litre tank.

As said above though, why buy a speed 3 if you're not going to use the boost?


If you're going ta drive it like dat then why you buy a MS3? Do you actually drive it like that? All those Corollas be like another slow mazda.

The point is to have the power when you want to use it. I get about 7-7.5l/100km in the summer by not boosting every block to the next stopsign. That is just stupid. I save it for when it makes sense, and it puts a smile on my face every time.

[mickey_g]

Believe me...once you get a speed, your last worries will be gas mileage. You should be more worried about not spending everything you earn on mods lol...that being said I have gotten 660kms out of a tank before with 2 bars remaining. Depends on how you drive...also I will glady pay $1.75/litre

[Jackal]

Believe me...once you get a speed, your last worries will be gas mileage. You should be more worried about not spending everything you earn on mods lol...that being said I have gotten 660kms out of a tank before with 2 bars remaining. Depends on how you drive...also I will glady pay $1.75/litre

Would you gladly pay $2.00/litre? Just wondering? I wouldn't be glad to pay $1.75/litre. ;)

[r4mi5awi]

Would you gladly pay $2.00/litre? Just wondering? I wouldn't be glad to pay $1.75/litre. ;)

Ahhh... Gone are the does of cheap gas. I remember when I started driving, gas was $0.74/L and that was just 2003 lol.

[miako]

Ahhh... Gone are the does of cheap gas. I remember when I started driving, gas was $0.74/L and that was just 2003 lol.

Them were the days lol I would be paying 45 bucks for a tank of 94!

[r4mi5awi]

I wouldn't be surprised if gas gets any higher in the not so distant future, a black market will prop up haha Bootleg gasoline FTW!

[loki]

Ok enough of the gas talk

No one gladly pay for gas. Not even at 75 cents per litre

[Default User]

My $0.02

- The car payments will stop (eventually) - but insurance and gas will be payments for as long as you own it.

It's inevitable that gas prices will continue to increase... But a $0.10 difference between regular and premium fuels doesn't really hit the pocket too hard (unless you're filling 50+Litres 2-3 times a week)

Insurance is the killer - can either go down over the years, or sky rocket over night.


My verdict - YOLO lol

[mickey_g]

I would gladly pay the price for gas to have fun...that being said I was commuting from Mississauga to Pickering for work over a year, filling up on 94 and never complained. Its the price to play...If gas prices is really that big of an issue then the speed 3 is not for that person...

[Jackal]

Any updates on what the OP did?




So you'd gladly pay any price? (Imagine running away icon-darn tapatalk).

[mickey_g]

Any updates on what the OP did?




So you'd gladly pay any price? (Imagine running away icon-darn tapatalk).

Yes.

+1 on updates from op

[Slade]

Ok enough of the gas talk

No one gladly pay for gas. Not even at 75 cents per litre

I would pay the 0.35Lt I remember my parents paying without a complaint :loki2

I'm not sure if the Speed requires extra maintenance then a reg one or not.

I also have friends that spend $150 a weekend on gas for their sleds, because that is their toys and enjoyment.

If you can afford it, then for sure, I would get it.

[DumpInfo]

Let's keep the fuel topic going..... ;)

You still want boost, and good mileage? TDI

:D

[The Wolf]

Let's keep the fuel topic going..... ;)

You still want boost, and good mileage? TDI

:D

But slow

[DumpInfo]

But slow

Yes, but what makes you think modding wouldn't increase the performance?

Get the right gen and you'll be laughing.

[Jackal]

Let's keep the fuel topic going..... ;)

You still want boost, and good mileage? TDI

:D

Oh no! He found the thread. Lol.

[DumpInfo]

:chuckle

I'm just playing he's set on the MS3 so go nuts

[JeaneR]

I would do it, you will love it, only took me one test drive lol... and as far as filling up the tank...it takes me 65$ ish of petro 94 from a quarter or a tad below a quarter tank....never usually go below that, hope that helps.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

So saturday will be the day that I go and take this for a good test drive and make the final decision. I will let you all know what I decided come monday.

[Aitch]

Prediction - boost wins.

[greyseason]

unless he drives enough to see how bad the gas is :P

[Thrizzl3]

Boost or gtfo :)

[miako]

Boost is the only way to go! I predict boost will prevail :)

[Timotee]

OP should be driving the car by now.....:)

[CelestSpeed3]

Trade it in, or you can wait till summer and come for a ride in mine. . . . . I warn you its like a drug.

The Speed in the winter right now is not really fun. The tires won't hook up. Id personally wait till springtime.

[SomeGuy]

Eh, when stock on a cold but dry winter road you can get some grip in 3rd at least :)

[Timotee]

I was at the 401 the other day and did a few decent pulls here and there......all within legal speeds of course, damn was it fun. ;)

[5_Alive]

So did this happen??

[Booostin]

So saturday will be the day that I go and take this for a good test drive and make the final decision. I will let you all know what I decided come monday.

Make sure you get all the history on the car before you make a decision. See if the car had any recalls and check status of warranty.

Remember we both got phucked over with Vlads old Mazda. They lied to you in Orangeville didnt they?

[loki]

Make sure you get all the history on the car before you make a decision. See if the car had any recalls and check status of warranty.

Remember we both got phucked over with Vlads old Mazda. They lied to you in Orangeville didnt they?

Oh snap

[DumpInfo]

Make sure you get all the history on the car before you make a decision. See if the car had any recalls and check status of warranty.

Remember we both got phucked over with Vlads old Mazda. They lied to you in Orangeville didnt they?


Oh snap

Seems like something he'd def do.


Anyhow, I swear I saw the OP cruising in a dub the other day :chuckle

[optiklenz13]

Hahaha.. Wow!! I swear it was Vlad's red speed that I saw on the 401 when I got interested with a speed. I was like "facking 7th gen honda , y u so slow??!!!!".. And then the hunt for a speed began..

[DumpInfo]

All these speed talking is making me reconsider it. :whoa

[PEPSIGIXXER]

oh they lied there asses off and I am still dealing with OMVIC on that one.


Make sure you get all the history on the car before you make a decision. See if the car had any recalls and check status of warranty.

Remember we both got phucked over with Vlads old Mazda. They lied to you in Orangeville didnt they?

[PEPSIGIXXER]

So I now have a choice between two speeds. one is CWP and the other Black Mica. What is one supposed to do. Prices are within a hundred or two from each other. Looks like I am test driving two cars on Saturday. uh oh this could be bad....LOL

[miako]

maybe an AP should be brought to test out them vehicles? lol just saying :chuckle

[optiklenz13]

maybe an AP should be brought to test out them vehicles? lol just saying :chuckle

Hahaha.. +1.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

I know I should know what an AP is but I am drawing a huge freaking blank on the abbreviation.


maybe an AP should be brought to test out them vehicles? lol just saying :chuckle

[optiklenz13]

Cobb Accessport. LOL

[miako]

Tell the dealer.... I hope you don't mind, but I wanna hook up an OBDII reader to see if everything checks out... it only take a few minutes to hook up, I promise!

[PEPSIGIXXER]

If I only had one.

Tell the dealer.... I hope you don't mind, but I wanna hook up an OBDII reader to see if everything checks out... it only take a few minutes to hook up, I promise!

[miako]

http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/showthread.php?74364-FS-ACCESSPORT-V2&highlight=accessport+v2

but I don't think you can get it by this weekend tho, maybe test drive next weekend?

[Aitch]

Based on colour alone I'd vote CWP even though it's pretty popular in the club..... hard to get color-matched though for repairs.

[Thrizzl3]

Based on colour alone I'd vote CWP even though it's pretty popular in the club..... hard to get color-matched though for repairs.

black is faster though ;)

[optiklenz13]

^faster to bail?

[Timotee]

black is faster though ;)

than silver Phil? ;)

Excited for you PEPSIGIXXER.....hope everything works out.

[Thrizzl3]

^faster to bail?

you would say that......:(


than silver Phil? ;)

Excited for you @PEPSIGIXXER (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=11065).....hope everything works out.

my previous car was silver and slow :P..jk

[optiklenz13]

:chuckle

[Timotee]

my previous car was silver and slow :P..jk

Good thing I have a cwp....lol. ;)


Keep us posted on the developments Pepsi.

[Thrizzl3]

:chuckle


Good thing I have a cwp....lol. ;)



damn slowass cwp speeds. go stage 2 already lol

[miako]

damn slowass cwp speeds. go stage 2 already lol

Why so mean?! :(

[Thrizzl3]

Why so mean?! :(

because they are slow at modding their speeds :P

[optiklenz13]

we try to enjoy the modding process..

damn broken black speeds.. :chuckle

[Thrizzl3]

we try to enjoy the modding process..

damn broken black speeds.. :chuckle

you mean red :gone

[optiklenz13]

Hihihi.. dat ltft doe???!!!

[optiklenz13]

staying on topic.. Keep us posted on whatever you decide on.. :)

[optiklenz13]

So it's after the weekend test drive..

What's the verdict? LOL!!

[PEPSIGIXXER]

I am sorry to say that I was unable to get to brampton to do my test drives. Friday nights road closures and the amount of snow that I have in my engine bay at the moment took precedence over doing the test drives. Maybe I should just got back to driving a Jeep Wrangler and not have this issue again. LOL. I am hoping that this week and weekend will be better and that I can find the time to get to do my test drives.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

So I have an update, the upgrade to the speed has been kiboshed by the boss(wife) but I have been given the go ahead to get a new bike, so the search begins for a new harley Street Glide. thanks for all the input guys.

[r4mi5awi]

So I have an update, the upgrade to the speed has been kiboshed by the boss(wife) but I have been given the go ahead to get a new bike, so the search begins for a new harley Street Glide. thanks for all the input guys.

How did that work out? LOL

[PEPSIGIXXER]

wife would prefer that I get a bike then trade in the car as she loves the Mazda.

[CloudPump]

wife would prefer that I get a bike then trade in the car as she loves the Mazda.

But you'd be trading in for pretty much the same car...

-Geoff

[loki]

But you'd be trading in for pretty much the same car...

-Geoff

appearance wise only

[CloudPump]

appearance wise only

Yes, yes. But I'm assuming his wife is in love with the car in general, not with the idea of 184hp and anything more would ruin it.

-Geoff

[PEPSIGIXXER]

correct, she could care less if I had more horsepower in my mazda but she loves to ride and since I got rid of my last bike she has been bugging me to get another. Now I just need to pay some bills and save a few bucks and find a street glide that I love.

[Timotee]

Enjoy the Harley man. :thumbsup

My wife also "kiboshed" my plans on getting an RX-8 R3, so I said I'll just get a Speed3. :)

[Booostin]

Moral of the story? Stay single.

[asyed]

Moral of the story? Stay single.

or buy what you want first then get in a relationship :chuckle

[m_bisson]

Moral of the story? Stay single.

Maybe you missed the part where his wife told him to get a new bike....
Moral of the story is to marry his wife.

[PEPSIGIXXER]

thats right


Maybe you missed the part where his wife told him to get a new bike....
Moral of the story is to marry his wife.

[Booostin]

Maybe you missed the part where his wife told him to get a new bike....
Moral of the story is to marry his wife.

Exactly, she wants him dead. Read between the lines ;)

[PEPSIGIXXER]

Maybe that's true, I am insured through the teeth but then again maybe we will go together.


Exactly, she wants him dead. Read between the lines ;)

[Booostin]

Maybe that's true, I am insured through the teeth but then again maybe we will go together.

I'm kidding man :P Hope that never happens to you! Good luck with the bike.