World War 3

[Zotaga]

I'm sure everyone is aware of the crisis that is going on in the Ukraine and many of you probably scoff at the idea that this could turn into something major..

Well.. for those of you who are dismissing it without a second thought.. read this:

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/25-03-2011/117328-third_world_war-0/

It's by a Russian New's agency and it was written in 2011.. well before this crisis started..

Could it be possible that we are finally witnessing the beginning of WW3? And if Russia does attack Europe from the North.. will Iran attack from the South? According to Nostradamus, if that happens, then we are in WW3.

So brush up on your fitness, shooting, etc. because you may be conscripted in the next year or so :pop

[Flagrum_3]

It is scary and could lead to something major...let's pray not.

Putin is a retard MotherF**ker.

I don't believe in all that Nostradamus crap, cause it's all crap. You can make almost anything 'fit' if you want it too and that's exactly what Nostradamus believers do.


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[m_bisson]

I don't know what weapons world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

[silverstarmazda]

all it takes is for someone to do something and everything else will follow. with the instability of some nations its not hard to see why WW3 is a very possible outcome and can have catastrophic consequences across the globe. the world we know is falling apart, cost of living is insane and the world infrastructure is on the brink of failure. its a very scary reality and nobody is certain about what will happen in the future.

[paulabreu]

Not only Ukraine, have you seen what's going on in Venezuela too? Guess not since no international new is talking about it at all.

[SKyactivmanny]

vene who?

[Zotaga]

The situations in Venezuela and Thailand are completely different than the situation in Ukraine.

US/EU want Ukraine to join the EU.. Russia wants Ukraine to join them so they can re-create the Soviet Union.. losing Ukraine would be a huge blow to Putin's plans..

The US/EU provoked riots in the Ukraine which eventually lead to the ouster of the president.. and now a new one was sworn in that is pro US/EU.. this is not good for Putin..

So Putin stirred up his own sh#t and decided to invade to protect Russia's interests.. Russia has 2 natural gas pipelines that go through Ukraine from the Middle East.. they cannot lose access to that.. they also cannot lose access to their Naval base.. which the pro US/EU president would try and do.. so Putin is defending the best interests of his nation..

None of these issues are there for Ven/Thai.. neither nation has anything that the major powers want.. so they are irrelevant for the time being..

BUT.. this crisis is great for Iran, Syria, and N. Korea.. now the focus is off them and on this new crisis.. and if NATO teams up against Russia, don't be surprised to see Iran/Syria join the war and start attacking Europe from the South.. and while this happens, it's almost a sure thing that N. Korea will attack S. Korea and China will attack Japan.. the US can't be everywhere at once.. and this is where the nukes come into play.. thus the nuclear war and why we'll be fighting the 4th world war with sticks and stones.. The Americans are going to cause the demise of billions once they drop the first atomic weapon..

BUT.. let's hope none of this happens.. I'd prefer peace and prosperity over grief and worry.


Not only Ukraine, have you seen what's going on in Venezuela too? Guess not since no international new is talking about it at all.

[Lmmorden]

I don't know what weapons world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

Original... Sad that after such an event... One of the worlds most brilliant minds foretells yet another war... You'd think humans would learn. Such stupid creatures they are 👽

[paulabreu]

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None of these issues are there for Ven/Thai.. neither nation has anything that the major powers want.. so they are irrelevant for the time being..

How about one of the largest, if not the largest oil reserve in the world?

[r4mi5awi]

Cooler heads will prevail...

The only thing that will escalate will be oil prices. Fill up tomorrow morning for the rest of the week's driving if you can.

[slam525i]

I don't know what weapons world war 3 will be fought with, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

-Einstein


BTW, it's a mistake to think that there's 1 good side and 1 bad side. It's a result of the victor writing history. No one ever wants to destroy the Earth. Throughout the Cold War, both sides thought they were the Good Guys. Just like the Cuban Missile Crisis was the result of US having missiles right in the USSR's backyard, the exact same thing that USSR was trying to setup in Cuba.

Not to say that people don't do stupid sh!t, but things generally get resolved without war when both sides take a breather. Hopefully the real diplomacy will happen in the background, like it always does, and this will blow over, like it always does.

(This doesn't apply to anything WWII and before... I like to think people are more sane now, with better media, better information, and less absolute power.)

[Lmmorden]

Wow
:dumbfounded

[bestknightmare]

Cooler heads will prevail...

The only thing that will escalate will be oil prices. Fill up tomorrow morning for the rest of the week's driving if you can.

Speaking of which, the fuel prices in the Waterloo area is 127.5 at most gas stations

[boyracer]

This whole thing saddens me


Україна https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLtz3oNsS7pnj8VbOztLd7T1pFbR6K5 areJIUMfiIzAKczqaGcMw

[Wisecraker]

It won't escalate too much. But yes, it is a very serious situation. A friend of mine is Ukrainian and has family in Odessa and Kiev. The fighting is not Ukrainian wide, it's in certain areas, but in those areas it is very serious conflicts. The same thing happened in Syria, the USA and Russia are just having another Cold War Era where they are flexing their military power and influence.

[Flagrum_3]

This whole thing saddens me


Україна https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLtz3oNsS7pnj8VbOztLd7T1pFbR6K5 areJIUMfiIzAKczqaGcMw

I Feel the same!

I'm not Ukrainian, but just feel for them...Great people and they've suffered alot in the past.They deserve 'true' independence.

Nothing against the Russian people at all. But get your HANDS OFF UKRAINE.


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[fruitloops]

Sarah Palin (what a terrible person right? ) said this was going to happen in Obama's first term when Obama didn't do anything when russia took that other small country.

[Lmmorden]

Sarah Palin (what a terrible person right? ) said this was going to happen in Obama's first term when Obama didn't do anything when russia took that other small country.

Wait.. Are you insinuating that Sarah Palin and Obama are at fault?

[Kiyomi]

cant we all just get along... its the 1% of the rich and powerful thats gonna **** it up for everyone else.

[peterm15]

Oh great. Here comes more occupy tree hugging hippie crap. Blaming everything on the "1%" rather then working towards their own success. (Not directed at you kiyomi, that summer just pissed me off)

I'm not educated enough on the topic to really expand conversation BUT a ww3 has been coming for a long time. I honestly thought it was going to be 911 that started it.

[Lmmorden]

ww3 has been coming since the end of ww2.. And so on and so forth .. Till death do us part.. Amen 👼.. How beauteous mankind is! Oh brave new wold, and such people in it

[Kiewan]

Putin wants the old soviet satellite states back and he has quite a few interests in that country. I agree with 3rd party intervention if Ukrainians are in danger from the new government, but a Russian invasion is overkill. the EU/UN/USA all have to tread very very lightly.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26400035quick read

edited to add a less reputable bizarre news source claiming USA backed neo nazis in the Ukrainian government. wierd but take it with many grains of salt. it has not a lot of academic integrity in this but still interesting
http://www.infowars.com/us-backed-neo-nazi-party-given-key-roles-in-ukrainian-government/

[Flagrum_3]

Oh great. Here comes more occupy tree hugging hippie crap. Blaming everything on the "1%" rather then working towards their own success. (Not directed at you kiyomi, that summer just pissed me off)

I'm not educated enough on the topic to really expand conversation BUT a ww3 has been coming for a long time. I honestly thought it was going to be 911 that started it.

Off topic abit but I heard a very interesting fact recently. This was a 3 year study by several university's and such. Fact: 87 individuals on this planet own 70% of the world's wealth...I don't know about anyone else but I would thing that's alot less then 1% of the worlds population.

BOT; So far Russia has only moved their troops into the Crimea, this I am hoping has a slightly good side to it, Crimea is autonomous and holds the Russian Black fleet. It could just be a move to protect the fleet/bases and also a scare tactic...Sure hope I'm right.


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[CloudPump]

The situations in Venezuela and Thailand are completely different than the situation in Ukraine.

<SNIP>

None of these issues are there for Ven/Thai.. neither nation has anything that the major powers want.. so they are irrelevant for the time being..

<SNIP>

BUT.. let's hope none of this happens.. I'd prefer peace and prosperity over grief and worry.

You do realize that Venezuela has more oil than anyone right?

-Geoff

[fruitloops]

Wait.. Are you insinuating that Sarah Palin and Obama are at fault?

Haha no, but Obama is partially at fault for not stopping Putin the first time.

[Mitchell3]

I had high hopes Russia would come to its senses but it isn't looking that way.

"The Russian Foreign Ministry said on Monday that recent remarks by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry contained threats against Russia and were "unacceptable"." Yeah ok.

"Russia's fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 3am to surrender or face a military assault, according to Interfax.

The ultimatum, from the commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet Alexander Vitko, has a base in Crimea where Russian forces are now in control.

According to the agency, it reads: "If they do not surrender before 5am (3am GMT) tomorrow, a real assault will be started against units and divisions of the armed forces across Crimea.""

[fruitloops]

You do realize that Venezuela has more oil than anyone right?

-Geoff

Yes, but Crimea has Putin's oil, that's why he was in there so fast.

[CloudPump]

Yes, but Crimea has Putin's oil, that's why he was in there so fast.

Not the point I'm making. The previous poster said that Venezuela had nothing the world cared about, that's quite untrue.

-Geoff

[goodcase]

Unpopular opinion time.

The Crimean peninsula is home to the Russian Black sea Fleet. Why is the important? It's the only warm water port that Russia has and they will not give it up. The only way this issue is going to end is if Ukraine gives the Crimean peninsula back to Russia. (The Crimean peninsula was Russian land until Russia gifted it to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR).

[geobur]

well unfortunately since I am deemed medically unfit to be in the Armed Forces I will be skipped from the draft :( but...if any of you get drafted and get killed can I have your car parts? :P

[fruitloops]

Wow you're hilarious.

[SirWanker]

Unpopular opinion time.

The Crimean peninsula is home to the Russian Black sea Fleet. Why is the important? It's the only warm water port that Russia has and they will not give it up. The only way this issue is going to end is if Ukraine gives the Crimean peninsula back to Russia. (The Crimean peninsula was Russian land until Russia gifted it to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR).

The win-win situation here would be a referendum so the citizens of Crimea to decide if they wish to remain in the Ukraine or re-join Russia. That is a no-brainer since a majority of them are of Russian descent.

[peterm15]

There has only ever been aprox 36000 forced conscripts that made it overseas to war.

Personally. The day ww3 is declared. ... I'll be in line to sign up.

[Aitch]

Unpopular opinion time.

The Crimean peninsula is home to the Russian Black sea Fleet. Why is the important? It's the only warm water port that Russia has and they will not give it up. The only way this issue is going to end is if Ukraine gives the Crimean peninsula back to Russia. (The Crimean peninsula was Russian land until Russia gifted it to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR).

It is all a power play by Putin. Even if the West-leaning new government of Ukraine does win in the general election, there was no reason to think that access to the Crimean peninsula would be lost for Russia or that they were going to be kicked out of their naval base. The previous agreements allowing it there would still stand.

Ostensibly the Russian forces were there protecting their assests during this upheaval. However that lie has been completely exposed by the threat of assault on Ukrainian forces should they not surrender. Why would they need to surrender if Russia was simply there to provide stabilization? Surely they could work together if that was the case.

[Lmmorden]

There has only ever been aprox 36000 forced conscripts that made it overseas to war.

Personally. The day ww3 is declared. ... I'll be in line to sign up.
They day WW3 is declared.. It may be too late to sign up 💥

[geobur]

They day WW3 is declared.. It may be too late to sign up 💥

this^^I fear the day this happens. I have always feared the mention of 3rd World War, as if that happens it will be fought with Nuclear Weapons not ground troops and tanks. And that spells disaster for the rest of the world...I don't know anyone can still think that there would be a victor in a nuclear holocaust.

[Zotaga]

Ven is #2.. but their crisis hasn't impacted exports.. so it's a non-issue at the time being.


How about one of the largest, if not the largest oil reserve in the world?

[Zotaga]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-energy-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1O1XS20140225


You do realize that Venezuela has more oil than anyone right?

-Geoff

[CloudPump]

Ven is #2.. but their crisis hasn't impacted exports.. so it's a non-issue at the time being.

Venezuela is number 1.

http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=5&pid=57&aid=6

-Geoff

[Mitchell3]

(The Crimean peninsula was Russian land until Russia gifted it to Ukraine after the fall of the USSR).

Well if they didn't look bad before.. Yeah you know that land we gifted you.. we're just gonna take that back.. by force..

[CloudPump]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-energy-venezuela-protests-idUSBREA1O1XS20140225

Their exports have nothing to do with the point. They have something the world wants and they have more of it than anyone. Theoretically if a country were to annex Venezuela they would work on upping production and eliminating the "problems". Current production has nothing to do with possible production.

-Geoff

[midnightfxgt]

Haha no, but Obama is partially at fault for not stopping Putin the first time.

USA Steps in and people complain it's not their place
USA doesnt step in, and its the USA's fault.

Go America!

[fruitloops]

And that is the exact attitude britain had with Hitler.
Hitler invaded a couple countries, "Oh he will stop"
Putin takes georgia, Obama does nothing, as do most leaders/countries, Sarah palin and Romney both said that Obama doing nothing about it gave russia confidence to take over ukraine, and palin said that in 08.

[midnightfxgt]

Yea, this is pretty much like Hitler.

I need to leave this thread now.

[CloudPump]

And that is the exact attitude britain had with Hitler.
Hitler invaded a couple countries, "Oh he will stop"
Putin takes georgia, Obama does nothing, as do most leaders/countries, Sarah palin and Romney both said that Obama doing nothing about it gave russia confidence to take over ukraine, and palin said that in 08.

That's not exactly what happened.

Abkhazia and South Ossetia (regions of the country of Georgia) made noise about declaring indepedence from Georgia. Russia sent in troops to these regions. Now I'm not saying that what Russia did was right, but it wasn't a full invasion of Georgia, it was sending troops to an area that made overtures about becoming their own country (countries).

-Geoff

[fruitloops]

Yeah, i did a bunch of research after writing that :P You are correct.

[r4mi5awi]

Then you should've known that Obama wasn't president in '08. Bush was in office during the Georgia conflict and his administration was solely responsible for whatever missteps Palin happened to believe. If you reference Palin, you're gonna have a bad time :p

[Kiewan]

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[Mitchell3]

LOL.

[SKyactivmanny]

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You win

[SirWanker]

It appears that Putin blinked first (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/04/us-russia-markets-idUSBREA220A520140304).


Markets were cheered initially when Putin ordered the end of large-scale military exercises in Russia, and gained a further boost after his comments at a press conference, his first on the crisis.
Putin slammed Western powers for backing what he called an "armed seizure of power" in Ukraine, but also emphasized that he saw no immediate need for Russian military intervention, which he described as a "last resort".
He also said Russia was willing to work with Western states and the International Monetary Fund on financial assistance for Ukraine, and cooperate with the new authorities in Kiev although Russia does not regard them as legitimate.

[fruitloops]

Then you should've known that Obama wasn't president in '08. Bush was in office during the Georgia conflict and his administration was solely responsible for whatever missteps Palin happened to believe. If you reference Palin, you're gonna have a bad time :p

You would be correct sir. Bush was president, with elections in october of that year. Bush had put in sanctions against russia to "punish" them, and as soon as obama became president, he took away those sanctions to restore the friendship with russia. Therefore, Bush was not responsible at all, Obama was the one who gave Russia freedom to do whatever they wanted.

Your move.

[Wisecraker]

I see Russia as a child and the USA as a parent. The US was scolding Russia whenever they took more than they needed from the cookie jar. Recently, under Obama, Russia has been allowed to take more cookies than usual. I think that Russia is just seeing how far they can push.

[CloudPump]

Somehow Obama is now responsible for the actions of leaders of other countries.

Why isn't this Stephen Harper's fault? Or Angela Merkel?

-Geoff

[Wisecraker]

I don't think it's Obamas fault. These events just happen to be taking place under Obamas term. Yes your right, many other leaders are involved, but you know how it is lol

[fruitloops]

Didnt read my last post? Obama had removed the sanctions on Russia as soon as he got into term. Therefore, he indirectly said that russia invading georgia was perfectly fine. This, as sarah palin pointed out in 08, would later show in russia going into the ukraine. PM harper has nothing to do with the sanctions being removed. That was Obamas decision. Hillary Clinton, soon after, stole a "reset" button from a hotel pool, and gave it to a member of the Russian gov't as a symbol of their friendship "resetting"

[r4mi5awi]

You would be correct sir. Bush was president, with elections in october of that year. Bush had put in sanctions against russia to "punish" them, and as soon as obama became president, he took away those sanctions to restore the friendship with russia. Therefore, Bush was not responsible at all, Obama was the one who gave Russia freedom to do whatever they wanted.

Your move.

Your posts are doing quite a fine job. I can't even make this stuff up!

What sanctions?!

[midnightfxgt]

Your posts are doing quite a fine job. I can't even make this stuff up!

What sanctions?!

x100000 I had to stop posting. I am all for rational debate... this is not one :)

Edit: I am assuming this article lists some of the crazy sanction lifting: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/03/02/the-russia-reset-was-already-dead-now-its-time-for-isolation/

[SirWanker]

For one thing, Russian provides 25% of the natural gas used by the EU which just happens to flow through the Ukraine.
If sanctions were enabled, what would stop them from retaliating by shutting off that source?

[Lmmorden]

So many opinions here....
And to think 98.7% of our education on the topic comes from unreliable sources... News... Blogs...

[midnightfxgt]

For one thing, Russian provides 25% of the natural gas used by the EU which just happens to flow through the Ukraine.
If sanctions were enabled, what would stop them from retaliating by shutting off that source?

Sarah Palin says you're a liar.

[Wisecraker]

Someone should organize a mini meet in Ukraine for some lunch. Then we would know first hand

[SirWanker]

For one thing, Russian provides 25% of the natural gas used by the EU which just happens to flow through the Ukraine.
If sanctions were enabled, what would stop them from retaliating by shutting off that source?


Sarah Palin says you're a liar.

opps I was wrong...Russia apparently supplies over 30% of the natural gas imported by the EU ( link (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/03/05/in-ukraine-crisis-russias-natural-gas-tactics-could-backfire/)) but they, the Russians, are arguably equally dependent on the revenue too.

[midnightfxgt]

opps I was wrong...Russia apparently supplies over 30% of the natural gas imported by the EU ( link (http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2014/03/05/in-ukraine-crisis-russias-natural-gas-tactics-could-backfire/)) but they, the Russians, are arguably equally dependent on the revenue too.

Was totally a joke. Lol

[CloudPump]

Didnt read my last post? Obama had removed the sanctions on Russia as soon as he got into term. Therefore, he indirectly said that russia invading georgia was perfectly fine. This, as sarah palin pointed out in 08, would later show in russia going into the ukraine. PM harper has nothing to do with the sanctions being removed. That was Obamas decision. Hillary Clinton, soon after, stole a "reset" button from a hotel pool, and gave it to a member of the Russian gov't as a symbol of their friendship "resetting"

I read your posts but they don't make any sense. There were no sanctions against Russia for the incident in Georgia, therefore President Obama couldn't have removed them.

Do you think the United States is the only country that can impose sanctions? Every country could have chosen to restrict trade or impose tarrifs against Russia, including Canada and Stephen Harper.

I mean this in the least insulting way possible, but: I really think you need to brush up on your international politics. A lot of what you're saying makes no sense at all.

-Geoff

[MDMaz3]

It won't escalate too much. But yes, it is a very serious situation. A friend of mine is Ukrainian and has family in Odessa and Kiev. The fighting is not Ukrainian wide, it's in certain areas, but in those areas it is very serious conflicts. The same thing happened in Syria, the USA and Russia are just having another Cold War Era where they are flexing their military power and influence. Agree... My GF is from there and her brother lives in Kiev. The people are so tired of the Russians Gulag they are looking to move up and move on into the modern world, increase capitalism, freedoms, economy, trade with EU countries and give their people an opportunity to succeed. This nation has a lot of upside potential with an educated and determined youth. They're constantly afraid and tired of being dragged back into extreme leftist gulag of life. Her brother has been part of the quiet revolution when it first started and has been providing updates continuously as the months have been progressing. He's a dentist back home, but it barely pays enough to keep his shyte-ridden apartment and young family. He has always been thinking of leaving for another country to settle in with his family, but is hopeful things will change over the next few years.

[Aitch]

I read your posts but they don't make any sense. There were no sanctions against Russia for the incident in Georgia, therefore President Obama couldn't have removed them.

Do you think the United States is the only country that can impose sanctions? Every country could have chosen to restrict trade or impose tarrifs against Russia, including Canada and Stephen Harper.

I mean this in the least insulting way possible, but: I really think you need to brush up on your international politics. A lot of what you're saying makes no sense at all.

-Geoff

Fact checking FTW - there WERE sanctions in 2008 which were lifted by the Obama administration in 2010. However they were against a Russian state arms exporter and were in relation to the nuclear non-proliferation regime, and based over concerns of dealings with Iran, North Korea, and Syria.

LINK (http://en.ria.ru/russia/20100522/159111823.html)

[fruitloops]

August 7th and 8th 2008 was when the russia-georgia incident escalated. Bush put in sanctions in october. Coincidence? No.
The whole time obama was campaigning, he was talking about lifting those sanctions.

[CloudPump]

August 7th and 8th 2008 was when the russia-georgia incident escalated. Bush put in sanctions in october. Coincidence? No.
The whole time obama was campaigning, he was talking about lifting those sanctions.

Sanctions pertaining to nuclear problems with Iran/Syria/North Korea are not sanctions pertaining to Georgia. One has nothing to do with the other.

-Geoff

Edit: You also claim he lifted the non-existent Georgia sanctions as soon as he got into office. He didn't even lift the NPT sanctions that you confused for sanctions over Georgia until a year later.

[Aitch]

August 7th and 8th 2008 was when the russia-georgia incident escalated. Bush put in sanctions in october. Coincidence? No.
The whole time obama was campaigning, he was talking about lifting those sanctions.

The whole time he was campaigning, after the sanctions were in place - so between October 25th (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/24/AR2008102403385.html) and November 4, 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008)?

Perhaps the sanctions were retalitory for the Georgia incident. But they weren't made on some trumped-up reason, there was a specific rationale behind it. The rest is just hand-waving "it's not a coincidence, man!"

[SirWanker]

Sh*t....first military fatality (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/ukrainian-soldier-killed-as-crimea-conflict-turns-violent/article17540826/)


Ukrainian military spokesman Vladislav Seleznyov, speaking to Reuters by telephone from Crimea, said one serviceman at the base had died of his wounds. A second man, a captain, was injured.

[greyseason]

Zotoga is banned! All hail :chuckle

[07carbon3]

Zotoga is banned! All hail :chuckle

hahaha not entirely surprised lol

[r4mi5awi]

Really? What for?

[Aitch]

Temp ban only.....

[greyseason]

Really? What for?

For being a straight up douchbag