Nextmod Kevin's old STi...got fired up?

[JackyMS3]

Well, I've heard different stories to this. But after I got some sort of confirmation from my buddies, Kevin's old STi, which is fully modded up with bolted on parts and aeros got burnt up this past week or so. There were pictures of the white STi on fire and fire trucks surrounding it. The after-fire pictures were tagged on Kevin's facebook this past weekend.

The new owner apparently took the car on a track this past weekend and the car literally exploded from the engine bay. Some say it's fuel issue, some say it's driver. According to some witnesses, the scene was not nice to watch. Luckily, the driver walked out safe and sound.

There are discussions from members in the STi and EVO communities as the pictures went viral over the weekend. The discussions mostly based on the fact that the STi was never tracked before (reason is because car/parts are too expensive, not worth to wreck it) and the new owner trusted Kevin, Nextmod, and APH on the car. Of course there are some shit talking as usual.

Anyone have any insights to this?

[Mr Wilson]

Links to any of the stuff?

[miako]

https://www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/tsc-subaru-discussion/184348-nextmod-kevin-sti-dead.html

Just saw this on TSC wow, no pictures but shoot, I even bumped into Kevin yesterday. Sucks if it's true, I loved that STi.

[JackyMS3]

mod please move to general lounge, got finger happy

No links from Facebook, apparently Kevin took pictures down, bad for business maybe?

Thanks for the link

[Dynames]

Wow crazy I was just talking to my friend about that STI Friday night (he's part of the Subaru club) and talking about the list of mods. Damn

[Aitch]

I have absolutely no reason to speculate about who is at fault for the car burning up. Let's just say glad no one was hurt and sucks that the car is gone.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Didn't even know he sold it.

Maybe I will call shenanigans.

[Fobio]

Track? This past wknd?

[Akiba48]

Didn't even know he sold it.

Maybe I will call shenanigans.

Well he was "gathering interest" for quite some time now. The price he was asking for wasn't even unreasonable at all considering all those parts and labour will cost a ton.
But Kevin never tracked the car? :s That's a bit weird...

[JackyMS3]

Track? This past wknd?

Apparently yes, cayuga.

[Fobio]

Apparently yes, cayuga.

Turbo car...cold weather...

That's a start.

[JackyMS3]

I'm hearing mixed rumors, some are speculating that it's fuel related, some say it's the relocated oil cooler, and some say it's bad tuning.

[peterm15]

Car on track went boom. No one hurt.
Lets continue on with the day. Shit happens.

Not kevins car. Nothing to do with kevin.

[Kiyomi]

I'm hearing mixed rumors, some are speculating that it's fuel related, some say it's the relocated oil cooler, and some say it's bad tuning.

doesnt matter what it was. what matters is the driver is safe and no one got hurt. speculation is just that, speculation.

but why track it when its like -30 out with windchill. asking for trouble imo and its not like he would get any good laps in.
also agree with peter, if you sell a car with mods, its not your fault if it blows up a year later or has problems, the onus is on the owner.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

But Kevin never tracked the car? :s That's a bit weird...

Not really.

[Thrizzl3]

it was burnt to a crisp...nothing left of the engine bay nor the interior.

[Aitch]

but why track it when its like -30 out with windchill. asking for trouble imo and its not like he would get any good laps in.

Because in Japan the best time attack laps are done in the cold of January.

[zzz3]

on saturday's cayuga has winter track days and driver development iirc. awesome for awd crowd.

[Fobio]

Because in Japan the best time attack laps are done in the cold of January.

You're gonna think I'm busting your balls and you might just say it was a humourous comment, but with an over-riding statement like this, you invite some fact-checking...

A search on fastestlaps.com revealed that out of the 10 tracks listed in Japan, only 1 [Suzuka] had lap records in January...some are even set in July:

http://fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=raceways&sort=location

Cross referencing that with avg temps in Japan for January, it ranges from -1 to 19*C. taking out the outlier of 19*C, it's more like -1 to +10*C...hardly the -17 and lower temps felt this past wknd.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2273.html

So no, ppl in Canada do not really go out on road courses in the dead of winter to squeeze a bit more HP out...neither is it a requirement for the fastest laps in Japan. All records at TMP are in the summer and fall season...like anywhere else in the world, where ppl have had a long season of development and competition. Also...turbo cars tend to boost higher than target in extremely cold weather...but I'll just leave it there.

[Jackal]

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/04/8u6asytu.jpg

[Aitch]

You're gonna think I'm busting your balls and you might just say it was a humourous comment, but with an over-riding statement like this, you invite some fact-checking...

A search on fastestlaps.com revealed that out of the 10 tracks listed in Japan, only 1 [Suzuka] had lap records in January...some are even set in July:

http://fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=raceways&sort=location

Cross referencing that with avg temps in Japan for January, it ranges from -1 to 19*C. taking out the outlier of 19*C, it's more like -1 to +10*C...hardly the -17 and lower temps felt this past wknd.

http://www.japan-guide.com/e/e2273.html

So no, ppl in Canada do not really go out on road courses in the dead of winter to squeeze a bit more HP out...neither is it a requirement for the fastest laps in Japan. All records at TMP are in the summer and fall season...like anywhere else in the world, where ppl have had a long season of development and competition. Also...turbo cars tend to boost higher than target in extremely cold weather...but I'll just leave it there.

I don't mind the education - I was simply regurgitating what's been posted recently on Speedhunters about Time Attack in Japan. I was actually quite surprised about the claim of colder temperatures being better but didn't ever follow up about it. And yeah, I was being facetious about anyone seriously trying to set lap records here in -20C weather :)

[Mr Wilson]

^^^Read the same article on Speedhunters

[schmat66]

ill just leave this here...

i was also talking to kevin about it.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1779117_629414780463244_1700787188_n.jpg

[FD22]

Well that's just not a pretty sight :(

[Nikhil Pali]

That sucks. Saw it at nextmod a while ago.

[Prezi]

damn!

[Jackal]

Poor car. We all loved it. RIP.

[Dave_The_BMXER]

Welp there go my shenanigans.

[Booostin]

I always saw that green cayman behind the sti at the track. Is it the same owner?

[Fobio]

So are we talking about it or not? Seems there's a lot of speculations and since it's burnt to a crisp, it's unlikely that we'll ever get to the truth. The reason why some of us are interested is because something like this could happen to any of us. Pinhole leak in a hard fuel line in the engine bay...electrical fire...routing of oil lines...etc. A few of us have been lucky in 2013 already...

EDIT: I'm fine if we drop the topic too tho...for many and any reasons.

[Aitch]

I don't mind talking about it... I just have no info to go on so it's pure speculation. And I didn't want to lend any credibility to the "Kevin is at fault" line of reasoning without anything to support it (hence my original post).

[Fobio]

So the car apparently sat there and caught fire. So it didn't blow on the track and it's likely the owner had no idea something was going to catch until they saw the flames. What can do that?

Obviously, my theory that the car overboosted and blown on the track is wrong. Could it be a fuel line? Could it be an electrical fire? Could it be routing of oil lines?

Things to consider...one of us had a pinhole leak of a hard fuel line from the HPFP...pulled into pits and it was like a mini geyser. That on its own doesn't ignite...but if you add a heat source or loose wires, then it could ignite. barring that...

I had these sick "header wraps"...cuz racecar. But it was always in the back of my mind...what if I blew out my dipstick or catch can, and oil sprayed onto the wrap? or my turbo blanket? The oil itself doesn't burn spontaneously...but add heat source, like my glowing exhaust manifold or downpipe...and you have ignition. So this also applies to routing of oil lines. Some of us know more about the the technical side of oil cooler setups, but having seen the car many times at APH, I know this car had an oil cooler on top of its engine...in place of the factory top mount intercooler. This is a sick location for the STi and I personally considered its location for my oil cooler. I also planned to have a fire extinguisher installed. The location of the oil cooler itself is not the problem...but add to it the complexity of routing lines and the possibility of cracked hoses and fittings...esp in the extreme hot and cold cycles of the day/situation, I can imagine a situation where the car can just sit there and catch fire.

[JackyMS3]

Guys, please, seeing some of these posts in this thread, really gets me going. I'm pissed at some of these posts. Why? Let me put them in pointers so y'all can understand me.

1) This car is not a car that is sold on kijiji where A (the seller) doesn't know B (the buyer)
When the B bought this car, it is simply because of a few things a) Trusting the original owner b) Trusting the company that sold the parts c) Trusting the installer d) trusting the tuner. For ppl in here just say "it's not A's responsibility because A sold it to B already, A's clean." is totally sucking up A's dick. I don't blame you fellas, there are ppl in this world we all like to protect because we are so called "friends" and they give us discounts.

2) This car has not been tracked before, A confirmed that from the past. It completely burnt down during a track day, probably the first ever track day the car has ever seen and unfortunately, it is its last. Does this sound normal to you? How do you guys know B was being a douche bag, destroying his car? Evidence? What if it's just a normal lap day for B? Reason why track records are not set in mid of winter is because tires don't grip at -30*C. How fast do you guys think B was driving? "Cars get burnt up on the track all the time, big deal, buy another one." <-- is this the attitude we have in this forum?

3) Why can't we talk about it? Why do we have to "move on"? What if B is your personal friend and he almost got killed because of some mediocre installation, parts or tune? We all understand the risk of tracking and buying a modded car, does it mean we should let it slide because we know A

Something to think about guys.

[miako]

So the car apparently sat there and caught fire. So it didn't blow on the track and it's likely the owner had no idea something was going to catch until they saw the flames. What can do that?

Obviously, my theory that the car overboosted and blown on the track is wrong. Could it be a fuel line? Could it be an electrical fire? Could it be routing of oil lines?

Things to consider...one of us had a pinhole leak of a hard fuel line from the HPFP...pulled into pits and it was like a mini geyser. That on its own doesn't ignite...but if you add a heat source or loose wires, then it could ignite. barring that...

I had these sick "header wraps"...cuz racecar. But it was always in the back of my mind...what if I blew out my dipstick or catch can, and oil sprayed onto the wrap? or my turbo blanket? The oil itself doesn't burn spontaneously...but add heat source, like my glowing exhaust manifold or downpipe...and you have ignition. So this also applies to routing of oil lines. Some of us know more about the the technical side of oil cooler setups, but having seen the car many times at APH, I know this car had an oil cooler on top of its engine...in place of the factory top mount intercooler. This is a sick location for the STi and I personally considered its location for my oil cooler. I also planned to have a fire extinguisher installed. The location of the oil cooler itself is not the problem...but add to it the complexity of routing lines and the possibility of cracked hoses and fittings...esp in the extreme hot and cold cycles of the day/situation, I can imagine a situation where the car can just sit there and catch fire.


This is scary stuff. I always sniff through the hood scoop after I drive the car hard. Now reading this, it might be a good thing to do.

[S.F.W.]

JackyMS3 seems as though the Buyer "B" is someone you know personally. From looking at your posts, you do not seem to have an objective view.

[Kiyomi]

Guys, please, seeing some of these posts in this thread, really gets me going. I'm pissed at some of these posts. Why? Let me put them in pointers so y'all can understand me.

1) This car is not a car that is sold on kijiji where A (the seller) doesn't know B (the buyer)
When the B bought this car, it is simply because of a few things a) Trusting the original owner b) Trusting the company that sold the parts c) Trusting the installer d) trusting the tuner. For ppl in here just say "it's not A's responsibility because A sold it to B already, A's clean." is totally sucking up A's dick. I don't blame you fellas, there are ppl in this world we all like to protect because we are so called "friends" and they give us discounts.

2) This car has not been tracked before, A confirmed that from the past. It completely burnt down during a track day, probably the first ever track day the car has ever seen and unfortunately, it is its last. Does this sound normal to you? How do you guys know B was being a douche bag, destroying his car? Evidence? What if it's just a normal lap day for B? Reason why track records are not set in mid of winter is because tires don't grip at -30*C. How fast do you guys think B was driving? "Cars get burnt up on the track all the time, big deal, buy another one." <-- is this the attitude we have in this forum?

3) Why can't we talk about it? Why do we have to "move on"? What if B is your personal friend and he almost got killed because of some mediocre installation, parts or tune? We all understand the risk of tracking and buying a modded car, does it mean we should let it slide because we know A

Something to think about guys.

everyone has a side. doesnt mean its right or wrong, its an opinion. u ask why move on? arent u happy that your friend didnt get hurt. that should be your main concern. talking about it will not bring the car back. it may help others in the future like fobios post about what most likely happened. but it really becomes a blame game after which you are insinuating. and that is speculation as to who is to blame.

btw, imo, you dont bring a trailer queen to the track in -30 weather, and without prepping it personally which i hope is what your friend did in the least.

[JackyMS3]

no boys, I do not know the new owner at all. If I know the owner and I'm trying to stir up shits, I would have posted the pictures in the original post. I know I sounded like I know the owner, but I simply got pissed off when ppl say It's not kevin's car, they have nothing on kevin. It is a blaming game when someone buy stuff from other ppl and it only lasted for like a month.

[Kiyomi]

no boys, I do not know the new owner at all. If I know the owner and I'm trying to stir up shits, I would have posted the pictures in the original post. I know I sounded like I know the owner, but I simply got pissed off when ppl say It's not kevin's car, they have nothing on kevin. It is a blaming game when someone buy stuff from other ppl and it only lasted for like a month.

then what are you saying?... wut in the hell. you are not contributing at all as to what happened. your just pissed off for no reason as to we should blame Kevin for this accident. gtfo.

[JackyMS3]

JackyMS3 seems as though the Buyer "B" is someone you know personally. From looking at your posts, you do not seem to have an objective view.

You see, everyone speculate, and there is nothing wrong with it. Ami and Kiyomi speculated that I'm a personal friend of the owner, I simply answer no, I don't know the owner at all and other ppl will speculate further and think I'm just covering my tracks.

[JackyMS3]

then what are you saying?... wut in the hell. you are not contributing at all as to what happened. your just pissed off for no reason as to we should blame Kevin for this accident. gtfo.

you, are clearly ignoring all the possibilities and blaming me for continuing with this thread. I'm pissed off cause ppl like you are sucking deep.

[Kiyomi]

You see, everyone speculate, and there is nothing wrong with it. Ami and Kiyomi speculated that I'm a personal friend of the owner, I simply answer no, I don't know the owner at all and other ppl will speculate further and think I'm just covering my tracks.

then u have even less credibility in my eyes. if you buy something from someone else, it is your responsibility to make sure its safe. end of story. it is not the person who owned it before, fault or problem, whether its one week or one year. u seem to think so?

[Aitch]

Guys, please, seeing some of these posts in this thread, really gets me going. I'm pissed at some of these posts. Why? Let me put them in pointers so y'all can understand me.

1) This car is not a car that is sold on kijiji where A (the seller) doesn't know B (the buyer)
When the B bought this car, it is simply because of a few things a) Trusting the original owner b) Trusting the company that sold the parts c) Trusting the installer d) trusting the tuner. For ppl in here just say "it's not A's responsibility because A sold it to B already, A's clean." is totally sucking up A's dick. I don't blame you fellas, there are ppl in this world we all like to protect because we are so called "friends" and they give us discounts.

2) This car has not been tracked before, A confirmed that from the past. It completely burnt down during a track day, probably the first ever track day the car has ever seen and unfortunately, it is its last. Does this sound normal to you? How do you guys know B was being a douche bag, destroying his car? Evidence? What if it's just a normal lap day for B? Reason why track records are not set in mid of winter is because tires don't grip at -30*C. How fast do you guys think B was driving? "Cars get burnt up on the track all the time, big deal, buy another one." <-- is this the attitude we have in this forum?

3) Why can't we talk about it? Why do we have to "move on"? What if B is your personal friend and he almost got killed because of some mediocre installation, parts or tune? We all understand the risk of tracking and buying a modded car, does it mean we should let it slide because we know A

Something to think about guys.

I haven't seen anyone here blatantly state that "A" is not at fault. Rather, we said it was a shame that the car was totaled, that it was good the driver was safe, and that for any conclusions to be drawn, more info was probably needed from the first parties (A and B). I don't think anyone was so cavalier to suggest that B should simply suck it up, it's not big deal.

Like I said, I don't mind talking about it - I just don't want to post conjecture based simply on third-hand information.

Now, based on what you posted - did B know that the car had not been tracked prior to taking it out on the track? Yes you place trust in the original owner's description of how the car was built, and trust in the people who did the installation - but that doesn't mean he should have 100% confidence that the car will have no problems. Admittedly, this catastrophic result is pretty much the worst case scenario and it sucks all around. And if it happened to me I'd be pretty pissed that a well-known and highly-regarded car may have been sold with a setup that could have inherent problems in high-stress situations (eg. Fobio's description of the oil cooler).

However, and unfortunately, the ultimate responsibility lies with the person putting the car into that situation. You buy a highly modified car, and take it to the track (even in colder weather, maybe not driving 10/10, but it's still out of the normal range of operation that the car has seen before) and there are risks you have to be prepared for. You have to understand the different modifications made to the car, and how they may fail in a given situation. This is the name of the game with highly modified cars.

Now, if "B" wants to give us his side of the story or add more information, I'd be glad to hear it.

[Aitch]

you, are clearly ignoring all the possibilities and blaming me for continuing with this thread. I'm pissed off cause ppl like you are sucking deep.

I don't know what skin you have in this game to be so pissed off. And watch what you say - things considered attacks against other members of the forum are not tolerated.

[JackyMS3]

then u have even less credibility in my eyes. if you buy something from someone else, it is your responsibility to make sure its safe. end of story. it is not the person who owned it before, fault or problem, whether its one week or one year. u seem to think so?

I don't have any credibility bro. I never said I have anything, I'm the person who just saw a burnt up STi picture on Kevin's FB and few hours later, the post was completely gone. Credibility, bit ch please, don't tell me Kevin deleted the entire FB post because he's so emotionally connected to his old STi. Clearly that it's bad for business, why is it bad? need me to elaborate more? Because some ppl think that he's some what responsible for this, and cover up was needed immediately. You have anything to add to this?

[JackyMS3]

I don't know what skin you have in this game to be so pissed off. And watch what you say - things considered attacks against other members of the forum are not tolerated.

my apologies to this, I was out of line, but I was also told to GTFO ? is this thing against me now?

[JackyMS3]

Car on track went boom. No one hurt.
Lets continue on with the day. Shit happens.

Not kevins car. Nothing to do with kevin.


doesnt matter what it was. what matters is the driver is safe and no one got hurt. speculation is just that, speculation.

but why track it when its like -30 out with windchill. asking for trouble imo and its not like he would get any good laps in.
also agree with peter, if you sell a car with mods, its not your fault if it blows up a year later or has problems, the onus is on the owner.

These mean A is not at fault imho

[Kiyomi]

I don't have any credibility bro. I never said I have anything, I'm the person who just saw a burnt up STi picture on Kevin's FB and few hours later, the post was completely gone. Credibility, bit ch please, don't tell me Kevin deleted the entire FB post because he's so emotionally connected to his old STi. Clearly that it's bad for business, why is it bad? need me to elaborate more? Because some ppl think that he's some what responsible for this, and cover up was needed immediately. You have anything to add to this?

... i think Aitch hit it right on the head. you got something against Kevin. I was glad this thread came up because we all want to know how such a highly modified ride can blow up. to me it doesnt matter if it was previously Kevins or someone else's ride. it seems to matter to you. the fact that this car used to be Kevin's matters not. the onus of the car being reliable is on the current owner. that is the nature of the modding game. shit happens. if your not prepared to handle the cost of possible malfunctions, then dont mod.

[Aitch]

my apologies to this, I was out of line, but I was also told to GTFO ? is this thing against me now?

There are differences, but consider it a warning to both sides.

[JackyMS3]

Car on track went boom. No one hurt.
Lets continue on with the day. Shit happens.

Not kevins car. Nothing to do with kevin.


doesnt matter what it was. what matters is the driver is safe and no one got hurt. speculation is just that, speculation.

but why track it when its like -30 out with windchill. asking for trouble imo and its not like he would get any good laps in.
also agree with peter, if you sell a car with mods, its not your fault if it blows up a year later or has problems, the onus is on the owner.


... i think Aitch hit it right on the head. you got something against Kevin. I was glad this thread came up because we all want to know how such a highly modified ride can blow up. to me it doesnt matter if it was previously Kevins or someone else's ride. it seems to matter to you. the fact that this car used to be Kevin's matters not. the onus of the car being reliable is on the current owner. that is the nature of the modding game. shit happens. if your not prepared to handle the cost of possible malfunctions, then dont mod.

I have nothing against kevin. I was just amazed how quickly ppl jumped in and say original owner, tuner, installer have no fault, that is all. And to avoid putting my head out as targets, I will not post on my own thread anymore.

[Kiyomi]

I have nothing against kevin. I was just amazed how quickly ppl jumped in and say original owner, tuner, installer have no fault, that is all. And to avoid putting my head out as targets, I will not post on my own thread anymore.

if you cant take it, dont dish it out. if a member has an opinion on a topic, you dont personally attack them and get mad about it because they have a different opinion than you.
excuse my language a bit. i can get a little rough around the edges sometimes.

back to the topic at hand. i think Fobio's post brings up a great point in what most likely caused the blowup. anyone else?

[miako]

The fact that the car was sitting there and caught fire scares me. I remember kevin told me STi oil pressure is somewhat higher than ms3 . His kick ass gauges goes up to 150psi.

ALso sti isnt direct injected, theres only an in-tank pump no? As you can see i dont know much about sti

[Fobio]

The fact that the car was sitting there and caught fire scares me. I remember kevin told me STi oil pressure is somewhat higher than ms3 . His kick ass gauges goes up to 150psi.

ALso sti isnt direct injected, theres only an in-tank pump no? As you can see i dont know much about sti

Tbh...I *THINK* it's unlikely a fuel line but it could be, but form what you're saying, no, the STi doesn't run a high pressure fuel pump in the engine bay like we do, so one less thing to worry about, I suppose.

MajesticBlueNTO found out more about how it went down...and piecing his info with what we know about the oil cooler, it weighs heavily as the most likely suspect.

At the end of the day...the car's gone. We'll never know for sure...but let's learn as much about it as we can so none of us suffer the same fate.

[Wisecraker]

I would personally not buy a car already super modded. I think modding the car yourself allows you to understand your car better and to know if something or wrong or right. It's also fun...lol

[jay93]

I would personally not buy a car already super modded. I think modding the car yourself allows you to understand your car better and to know if something or wrong or right. It's also fun...lol


one of the best words to go by! it's a true shame with what happened with this car going up. (i've had a simular experience) but you never really know what you buy at the end of the day!

[Stathakos]

Honestly new paint, body kit and wheels and it'll be fine. Other than that who gives a fack