Election day today!

[slam525i]

Don't forget to vote people! If you don't vote today, you're not allowed to complain until the next election!

In case you don't have any idea who to vote for: http://www.cbc.ca/elections/ontariovotes2014/votecompass

At least go and spoil your ballot!

[m_bisson]

No don't spoil it.

If you spoil it then it's the same as not voting. Go in and after they hand you the ballot, hand it back and say "I decline my vote". This way, it will still count as a vote, just not for anybody.

[Default User]

Didn't know you can do that ^^

[CloudPump]

This election reminds me of the South Park episode where they had to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

-Geoff

[bubba1983]

Theirs a provincial erection today? Hmmm

[loki]

Theirs a provincial erection today? Hmmm

Kitchener/waterloo is excluded

[Aitch]

This election reminds me of the South Park episode where they had to choose between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.

-Geoff


Pretty much. Hate the PC platform, dislike the NDP, and wish the Liberals didn't eff up everything they try to do even though I agree with their platform most.

[slam525i]

@m_bisson (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=10483) You're right. http://www.declineyourvote.ca/

Don't forget, given our political system, you can also check the predictions for your riding and strategic vote. (i.e. vote for someone you may not necessarily support, but has the best chance against the party you're against.) I plan to do that, but that's because my riding is pretty much 50/50 right now, and I really don't like one of them. Check your riding here: http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1062883/ontario-pre-election-map-how-close-is-the-race-in-your-riding/

[Slade]

You can all vote for me next year!

I'm gonna run, and not because I am political , but because I would love a few weeks of paid work where I get chauffeured around the province on a bus , and all I have to do is bash the competition! I mean that sounds like a pretty sweet gig to me.

I'm not sure who's doing what because all I hear is what the opposition is doing wrong.

[slam525i]

I'm not sure who's doing what because all I hear is what the opposition is doing wrong.

If you think that's bad here, be thankful you're not in the US with a 2-party system.

[peterm15]

Since mcguintys first stint in office I have voted conservative. Until last election. Now I decline my vote. I consider myself a fiscal conservative. I'm not a fan of the hardcore conservative (Republicas) social views but I think the liberals waste to much money.

I'm sick of having to choose the lesser of all evils. I want a party thats dead center. Look at the individual issues at hand rather then what history of the party tells them. Im also sick of people not believing in trickle down economics.

[SirWanker]

Since mcguintys first stint in office I have voted conservative. Until last election. Now I decline my vote. I consider myself a fiscal conservative. I'm not a fan of the hardcore conservative (Republicas) social views but I think the liberals waste to much money.

I'm sick of having to choose the lesser of all evils. I want a party thats dead center. Look at the individual issues at hand rather then what history of the party tells them. Im also sick of people not believing in trickle down economics.

You mean Reaganomics or the new and improved Bush jr version?

[SirWanker]

No don't spoil it.
If you spoil it then it's the same as not voting. Go in and after they hand you the ballot, hand it back and say "I decline my vote". This way, it will still count as a vote, just not for anybody.


@m_bisson (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=10483) You're right. http://www.declineyourvote.ca/


Here is something to dwell upon regarding the person behind "I decline my vote" (http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/whos-really-behind-decline-your-vote-and-why-you-should-be-skeptical)

[peterm15]

You mean Reaganomics or the new and improved Bush jr version?

The ones who continue to raise minimum wage. Not realizing that when wage gets increased, so does everything else. Then they add more taxes on top of it to make it even harder for the people who actually need minimum wage increased.

[jeffjones]

Can I just hand write Rob Ford and put a checkmark beside it?
Seems like a better choice than the rest.

[SirWanker]

The ones who continue to raise minimum wage. Not realizing that when wage gets increased, so does everything else. Then they add more taxes on top of it to make it even harder for the people who actually need minimum wage increased.

But that is not trickle-down economics, at least by my interpretation ( lower corporate taxes will encourage job creation ).

[SirWanker]

Can I just hand write Rob Ford and put a checkmark beside it?
Seems like a better choice than the rest.

You can have him!

[Scottie]

I like the liberals platform the best. But I think the gas plant scandal is ridiculous and isn't the first time they have screwed up something.

PCs... Their "Million Jobs Plan" is a bunch of BS. There is about 0% chance that they are going to create even close to 1,000,000 jobs. Even if everything they say, works, they have counted the same jobs, numerous times in their counting. Stupid. Plus they say they are going to cut 100,000 jobs from education and social services, but they are "all" going to be administrative jobs. Seems like a bunch of bs. And HudaK says it won't be teachers or TAs because his kid has special needs?! It's a party platform... not Tim Hudak's personal platform... more bs.

NDP. Platform seems okay. Party effed up a bunch of years ago and hasn't gained people's approval again, so they aren't going to win.

Part of the problem, is the actual voting system. Our current voting system (First Past the Post), always leads to a two party system (ya I know we have 3... for now), and tends to have a lot of unhappy voters. And leads to people who don't vote, or just people don't feel represented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

There are better systems for voting...
Alternative voting system is much better (still not perfect though)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE
and some others.

Scott

[peterm15]

But that is not trickle-down economics, at least by my interpretation ( lower corporate taxes will encourage job creation ).

To me it means anything on a large level will "trickle" down the ladder affecting the citizens directly. Wether negative or positive. But they always look at the final product. Not what happens in between.

Lowering corporate taxes. Sounds good. But then lets tag on mandatory wsib and raise minimum wage to negate any of the savings. (I am a business owner, we get taxed out the ying yang. I pay a persons wage in taxes a year. So lowering to me makes sense)

Raise the minimum wage. Great. But when a 15 year old at McDonald's makes $11/hr what happens to your big mac price. All they see is the people who make minimum wage getting more pay, not that those same people now have to pay more for everything.


Edit****

You definition is correct. I used it in the incorrect context. None the less you get my point.

[mister308]

Since mcguintys first stint in office I have voted conservative. Until last election. Now I decline my vote. I consider myself a fiscal conservative. I'm not a fan of the hardcore conservative (Republicas) social views but I think the liberals waste to much money.

I'm sick of having to choose the lesser of all evils. I want a party thats dead center. Look at the individual issues at hand rather then what history of the party tells them. Im also sick of people not believing in trickle down economics.

my first post here lol... i know it's too late but give the Libertarians a look. Do not confuse them with Liberals. They would be right up your alley, as they are right up mine.

They are neither left or right or middle. In fact, they fall no where on the spectrum (in my opinion). There are different degrees of libertarianism but the main foundation stands for personal freedom and free markets.

[slam525i]

i know it's too late but give the Libertarians a look. Do not confuse them with Liberals..

I had a long twitter conversation with the libertarian candidate for my riding last night.

In general, I support a lot of libertarian principles, but there are a lot of conflicts and details in practice that make them appear really half-baked. They just haven't got it all figured out.

Example: They want to sell LCBO and deregulate alcohol sales. But doing so would devalue LCBO to physical assets only so it wouldn't be worth much anyway.
Example: They want to make education entirely self (student) funded. They cite examples of BitMaker and other short courses, but also admit that college and university degrees are very different and become completely unaffordable to most people.
Example: They say free market for everything, but when I pushed for details, admit the government needs to contribute some funding to research and graduate education to keep the province competitive in the market, which is contrary to their principles.

I like them, but they need to give some more thought and planning and have a firm, practical platform rather than a half-baked platform on principles.