SomeGuy's Big Boy Thread. No useless spammers live here.

[SomeGuy]

Since some people consider these worthy posts:


#burn becuase


This.


That's what she said

Ohh yeaaahhh


Dibs.


Eat more?


Eat 10 big macs

It's worth while having a thread for grown up's to discuss legitimate topics randomly.




I'd like to start with this post I just came across on the toronto star while reading through the latest on Ebola:

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/10/24/unpreparedness_rooted_in_tory_policy_publics_parsi mony_mallick.html

Why is this presented as News? It's an opinion piece, a very blatantly bias one at that. Why does anyone put up with this shit from the media? I've already written the star to express my disapproval about it although it will certainly fall on deaf ears.

[loki]

The link between ebola and isis has been made

[asyed]

i cant believe you actually made this thread...... :facepalm

[dentinger]

This forum has officially gone to shit.

Congrats everyone!

[SomeGuy]

^^ Mods, clean that up.


Has this forum really stooped that low where the best they can do is one word posts? Or is it just all of society has truly gone to shit?

[jaimie08mazda3]

^^ Mods, clean that up.


Has this forum really stooped that low where the best they can do is one word posts? Or is it just all of society has truly gone to shit?

Sometimes there are times where there are one word posts. Especially when you take it from a Friday thread where it even says Post Whores Live Here. Usually I'm not one where I post just 1 word and done. I have a whole paragraph. But that's just me. I've been on here for 7 years and seen a lot of people come and go and even back then people posted like that. I remember when Thrizzl3 and I were the ones whoring the whole forum (Friday Thread was a big one). In the end there are sections where people post stupid shit but there are also a lot of sections with actual information. Its how it goes especially today.

[m_bisson]

I would like to discuss frozen waffle brands.

Obviously, Eggo waffles are familiar to most of you, but have you ever tried the no-name version? It's fairly inconsistent, from my experience. There are times where they taste and feel as good as Eggos in my mouth. Last pack I bought, though, the majority of the waffles were paper thin, some so bad that there were holes right through. They tasted like those wafer cookie things too. I was pretty disappointed.

Also, buy real maple syrup. That aunt Jemima stuff is just corn syrup.

[Aitch]

As stated, this is a thread for mostly grown-up conversations on random topics. Trolling is not required.

[m_bisson]

As stated, this is a thread for mostly grown-up conversations on random topics. Trolling is not required.

I was starting a grown up conversation about breakfast foods. That's about as random as it gets.

[Mazdy]

Thats why im on MSF often than here......

I just go here to check for meets and good deals on classifieds.... pretty much this forum is good for :)

[schmat66]

because i can.

[Default User]

^^ Mods, clean that up.


Has this forum really stooped that low where the best they can do is one word posts? Or is it just all of society has truly gone to shit?

Agreed

[Default User]

Unfortunately, I try not to talk politics or religion on these boards simply because it's too "deep" for about 90% of the members here.

This forum is mostly for classifieds, how-to's, and shooting the shit with quirky remarks from keyboard warriors that quiver in their moms basement the moment there's any real trouble

[Kiewan]

Why is this presented as News? It's an opinion piece, a very blatantly bias one at that. Why does anyone put up with this shit from the media? I've already written the star to express my disapproval about it although it will certainly fall on deaf ears.

This is often the case with most online news lately. There are even spelling/grammar mistakes in some online articles.

I do however agree that downsizing is a major problem these days.

[asyed]

Unfortunately, I try not to talk politics or religion on these boards simply because it's too "deep" for about 90% of the members here.

This forum is mostly for classifieds, how-to's, and shooting the shit with quirky remarks from keyboard warriors that quiver in their moms basement the moment there's any real trouble

i loled at the keyboard warriors comment.

But seriously Ive been on forums where its gone real to shit to the point that almost every thread turns into a flamewar. Tm3 is not that kind of forum and should never be. Thing is whenever someone brings up poltics ( see the mayoral race thread) or religion things go apeshit and people start arguing. Now it may not seem like it but many of us "post whores" are very capable of having well educated/informed/adult discussions without any trolling or making fun of each other but it never hurts to have a joke or two in there. No offense SomeGuy but I think you may have overreacted in this case.

[schmat66]

Unfortunately, I try not to talk politics or religion on these boards simply because it's too "deep" for about 90% of the members here.

This forum is mostly for classifieds, how-to's, and shooting the shit with quirky remarks from keyboard warriors that quiver in their moms basement the moment there's any real trouble

quirky rawr

i moved upstairs again and quiver everytime i see you.

thats what she said.

[m_bisson]

quirky rawr

i moved upstairs again and quiver everytime i see you.

thats what she said.

Lol I don't know what you're doing, but keep doing it.

[SomeGuy]

Guys it was more that I used to enjoy reading/posting in the friday thread because there'd be interesting discussions about what's going on in the world and people's lives...not just random stroking of each other with no point.


As for breakfast food, Eggo's don't hold a toast to home made waffles in a waffle iron. I can still manage one every now and then (heck there's a box of blueberry eggo's in the freeze right now) but real ones are so much better. You can even freeze them and toast later.



And as for political/religion discussions...they can get out of hand but if everyone is level headed enough and listen and respond respectfully then they can go rather well. The couple links I posted from waitbutwhy.com the other day are a great bit about religion and what went wrong with it.

[aris]

Was the blown in insulation expensive? I think I'm going to add more next year in my attic

[soccerboy1491]

With reference to your original post. I live life by not caring about things that affect me. Yes I find that a total a hole statement but it works for me. When I cared about everything it made me feel like shit. Now when I try only to allow things that affect me bother me I feel a lot better. I can live life more with out people judging me in what I do. I still feel bad and horribl about the events that take place but I ignore it to feel better. I know it sounds horrible but is it really that bad of me to do? Like I'm sorry if anyone gets offended but it legit helps to let life move on with out feeling like crap all the time :/ I don't have much to back up on to make me feel really happy...

[SomeGuy]

Was the blown in insulation expensive? I think I'm going to add more next year in my attic

Lowes had it on sale for around $8/bag after tax. I did about 600 sq ft of attic and used 20 bags to go from R32 to a solid R50 (if not a bit more) cost $163 tax in. Machine rental was free for 24 hours if you buy min 20 bags too. So no, not at all expensive in the grand scheme of things.

[The Wolf]

With regard to SomeGuy's original post:

It kind of makes you wonder if Big Media is going downhill, or the Internet Generation is just savvy enough to see through the bullshit. You hear complaints of generations past about the media these days, but are they really worse, or are we just better?

At the same token, people generally just don't care about what's going on in the world. It's clear as day. Remember the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge? Yeah that was fun. How many people are still making donations? We ONLY care about trends, and that's why soon you'll forget about Ebola and you'll forget who Patrice Vincent and Nathan Cirillo were. The Star knows this so they're capitalizing on it while the embers are still hot.

[soccerboy1491]

With regard to SomeGuy's original post:

It kind of makes you wonder if Big Media is going downhill, or the Internet Generation is just savvy enough to see through the bullshit. You hear complaints of generations past about the media these days, but are they really worse, or are we just better?

At the same token, people generally just don't care about what's going on in the world. It's clear as day. Remember the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge? Yeah that was fun. How many people are still making donations? We ONLY care about trends, and that's why soon you'll forget about Ebola and you'll forget who Patrice Vincent and Nathan Cirillo were. The Star knows this so they're capitalizing on it while the embers are still hot.

This. My post before it is a clear example no am going and don't pay attention to much except what is currently happening. It's really sad but with how social media and the works influences people so much it's all that happens to the general public. People are to lazy to remember and deal with things on their own. I am one of those..

[m_bisson]

Was the blown in insulation expensive? I think I'm going to add more next year in my attic

Buy the solid/rectangular instead of the loose fluff. It's more money, but it won't settle over time. Then use the loose fluff to fill in the gaps where the joists are.

While you're up there, add a vent or at least make sure your existing soffit vents are clear. You want a nice breezy attic.

[m_bisson]

With regard to SomeGuy's original post:

It kind of makes you wonder if Big Media is going downhill, or the Internet Generation is just savvy enough to see through the bullshit. You hear complaints of generations past about the media these days, but are they really worse, or are we just better?

At the same token, people generally just don't care about what's going on in the world. It's clear as day. Remember the ALS Ice Bucket Challenge? Yeah that was fun. How many people are still making donations? We ONLY care about trends, and that's why soon you'll forget about Ebola and you'll forget who Patrice Vincent and Nathan Cirillo were. The Star knows this so they're capitalizing on it while the embers are still hot.

Another example of this is just on regular TV. Remember when the discovery Channel, history channel, heck even the cooking channel had shows that made sense? Now the only thing on TV are reality shows.

The thing is, these shows are made because people are watching them. I know I can't stand TV these days, but there must be a ton of people who soak that stuff up.

[aris]

Buy the solid/rectangular instead of the loose fluff. It's more money, but it won't settle over time. Then use the loose fluff to fill in the gaps where the joists are.

While you're up there, add a vent or at least make sure your existing soffit vents are clear. You want a nice breezy attic.

I all ready have blown in installation so I don't see why I would would put solid pieces in... Never crossed my mind to add more until someguy posted it.

as for my vents I have enough vents in my attic😉

[m_bisson]

I all ready have blown in installation so I don't see why I would would put solid pieces in... Never crossed my mind to add more until someguy posted it.

as for my vents I have enough vents in my attic��

If you're buying new insulation, and you plan on staying in the house for a long time, you're better off with the batts instead of the fluff. Get a shovel or rake, move the fluff to the side, insert batt between joists, rake fluff back in between the batts. You don't have to remove any of the loose fluff, just move it to the side while you work. Alternatively, you can remove all the loose stuff and install perpendicular overlapping layers of batt insulation.

It is more time consuming to install though, which is why most people do blown cellulose. The issue with cellulose is that it settles over time, which lowers the R value significantly. It's not the insulation that keeps the heat in, it's the air that the insulation traps. So as the insulation gets compressed, there's less air and more of the insulating material, which is not what you want.

Something new is the sprayed insulation. I've seen it done on commercial jobs, but haven't had any experience with it myself. It's still too new to know if it's dangerous to your health or not.

[SomeGuy]

Buy the solid/rectangular instead of the loose fluff. It's more money, but it won't settle over time. Then use the loose fluff to fill in the gaps where the joists are.

While you're up there, add a vent or at least make sure your existing soffit vents are clear. You want a nice breezy attic.

It's a LOT more money. Even just one layer of rock wool batt insulation for my attic would cost around $400-500. Blown in is pretty standard and although it does settle, you account for that with your initial fill. All blown in insulation manufacturers should list an installed depth versus a settled depth to get you the proper R value.


As for spray foam, no thanks. I looked at it for my basement, was quoted around $2500 for closed cell, roxul was $550 including vapour barrier DIY. The other big problem with spray foam is that if a flame ever hits it, it off gasses very deadly gas. If you ever need to do repairs or similar behind the wall or pull new wires you can't, you have to chip out the spray foam rather than pull a batt and put it back. Just lots of downsides for a bit better R value and seal.

[SomeGuy]

Another example of this is just on regular TV. Remember when the discovery Channel, history channel, heck even the cooking channel had shows that made sense? Now the only thing on TV are reality shows.

The thing is, these shows are made because people are watching them. I know I can't stand TV these days, but there must be a ton of people who soak that stuff up.

Agreed. I don't watch much/any of that crap and still prefer proper old scripted shows.

I wish the world would head in a better direction, there's so much opportunity in our generation then there has ever been. Since our basic needs are so easily obtained now in the 1st world, we should be able to dedicate our lives to a higher purpose bettering the world for our future and our childrens future. Not to say I'm all that great at it myself but even little things that people could do day to day would eventually make a difference.

[Default User]

I wish the world would head in a better direction, there's so much opportunity in our generation then there has ever been. Since are basic needs are so easily obtained now in the 1st world, we should be able to dedicate our lives to a higher purpose bettering the world for our future and our childrens future. Not to say I'm all that great at it myself but even little things that people could do day to day would eventually make a difference.


I suddenly feel like my old HS guidance councillors telling me how much potential I have. LOL

I actually agree with SomeGuy
I'm seeing a generation that's just....lazier. Lazy to learn, because what they read on Facebook must be the truth. Lazy to think and form their own opinion - because of fear that anything other than the hipster idealization of how the world turns will be criticized and shunned.

[Kiewan]

I don't know how to word this but bear with me;

I feel that people are becoming far to reliant on tech. To the point where they no longer need to put that much effort into daily tasks.
I'm also afraid that it will get to the point where the lazy generation will not know how to put serious effort into tasks and hard working people become rare.

Take that persons smartphone away: and they feel naked without it. I don't even like leaving my apt. without it.

Hope that makes sense.

[m_bisson]

There's nothing better than a hard days work.

[The Wolf]

It's funny.
We've been conditioned to think that hard work is something to be ashamed of. It's more important to be able to pay someone to do something for you than to do it for yourself. We were told that anything other than a University education resulting in a monotonous office job is a failure. Well look at us now, everyone's University educated and it counts for shit.

More people need to be told to get into a trade rather than go to College or University.

[SomeGuy]

It's funny.
We've been conditioned to think that hard work is something to be ashamed of. It's more important to be able to pay someone to do something for you than to do it for yourself. We were told that anything other than a University education resulting in a monotonous office job is a failure. Well look at us now, everyone's University educated and it counts for shit.

More people need to be told to get into a trade rather than go to College or University.

That is a very good point although I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I went to University and have a Honours BSc in Computer Science with a minor in Mathematics, I work a desk job doing software development...and yet, outside of work as many of you know I spend time in the garage working on cars and/or doing home improvement projects. Two very different ends of the spectrum. Although I can afford to have someone do jobs for me, I much prefer tackling them on my own. Not once have I ever been ashamed of it and in fact most people I know (even from the office/corporate world) are rather impressed.

So to your point, I think regardless of the education or background (trades or "higher" education) I think the real problem is people being lazy and too attracted to their perceived status in society. If people put effort into things (wherever that may be) they'd be a lot further ahead.


Also, the sense of accomplishment after a hard days work is an incredible feeling...and even if it's not my own projects, I feel just as great after helping someone out. Once you get a taste of it, all the so called glamorous status symbols don't quite measure up.

[m_bisson]

"You work in a trade? Should have gone to university..."

**** off. Go drive down University Avenue in Kitchener. You won't believe how much they paid me to paint some those UofW and Laurier buildings.

*disclaimer* I actually went to college AND university Lol.

[The Wolf]

That is a very good point although I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. I went to University and have a Honours BSc in Computer Science with a minor in Mathematics, I work a desk job doing software development...and yet, outside of work as many of you know I spend time in the garage working on cars and/or doing home improvement projects. Two very different ends of the spectrum. Although I can afford to have someone do jobs for me, I much prefer tackling them on my own. Not once have I ever been ashamed of it and in fact most people I know (even from the office/corporate world) are rather impressed.

So to your point, I think regardless of the education or background (trades or "higher" education) I think the real problem is people being lazy and too attracted to their perceived status in society. If people put effort into things (wherever that may be) they'd be a lot further ahead.


Also, the sense of accomplishment after a hard days work is an incredible feeling...and even if it's not my own projects, I feel just as great after helping someone out. Once you get a taste of it, all the so called glamorous status symbols don't quite measure up.

I fully agree. I was going to mention you as one of the exceptions. I don't believe that all Uni grads are helpless idiots, far from it, but that demographic is growing.
I admit I'm not a book smart type of person. I never had the discipline to sit down and study etc so going into a trade was one of my better options. I envy those who don't have to break their bodies to make a buck but being able to take a hole in the ground and turn it into a house over a matter of a couple weeks is very fulfilling.

Also in defence of technology and modern life, without desk jockeys developing modern computers and the internet, it would be near impossible to have access to the information that allows us to learn new crafts so efficiently. Need to learn how to wire a guitar? Make a bed frame? Build a mud hut? A matter of seconds on google and you can answer almost any question.

[loki]

Nothing wrong with a university degree

[loki]

Nothing wrong with the trades either

[The Wolf]

There's CERTAINLY nothing wrong with any education. That's not my point.
It was always presented as a sure-fire way to a comfortable dream life though, which it is not. I have lots of family and friends who can't find a job in their field because it's too competitive while they are dismissed as overqualified for other jobs.

[loki]

Nothing is a sure thing, not even the trades

You have to be willing to put in effort and more so for a trade

I think the key take away is that hard work pays off

[m_bisson]

Nothing is a sure thing, not even the trades

You have to be willing to put in effort and more so for a trade

I think the key take away is that hard work pays off

Along with hard work goes taking pride in the work that you do. There's a difference between getting a job done and getting a job done right the first time. If you have to pay someone to do it 5 times when someone else gets it right the first time, guess who you're going to keep around.

Some people don't care and will do the minimal work possible to get the paycheck. Others will meet the expectations and then exceed them.

[SomeGuy]

Nothing is a sure thing, not even the trades

You have to be willing to put in effort and more so for a trade

I think the key take away is that hard work pays off

On an individual level that's easy to choose to do, to many it comes very naturally. It leads to the question though, how do you inspire others to put the effort in? Imagine how much could be done if everyone spent all of 10 minutes a day working hard on something? For JUST the people in Canada, in one day, we could accomplish collectively an equivalent of a single person working over 570 YEARS straight non-stop.

[loki]

I wouldn't say it comes naturally

[m_bisson]

I wouldn't say it comes naturally

That's what she said.

[Kiyomi]

Nothing is a sure thing, not even the trades

You have to be willing to put in effort and more so for a trade

I think the key take away is that hard work pays off

imo, university is way easier than taking up a trade. ionno why alot of people look down on the trades. ive experienced it a few times and i find it the weirdest thing. i am currently in the electrical trade, but i also have a degree in history and law. you can work hard at anything, but some things are easier than others. I agree with that statement 100%.

also, fyi it took 4 years to get an honours degree, where its gonna take the better part of 6 years to get my red seal.

[SomeGuy]

I think it all depends on the person, some just are better at one or the other. Computers/programming comes very naturally for me but t'hell if I could do history. I find if a person is really interested in a subject it will come easy to them (the brain is more willing to accept the information) but if it's a boring subject, no amount of studying or work will ever make it stick.

The 6 years, is that because of a government requirement of some sort?

[Kiyomi]

I think it all depends on the person, some just are better at one or the other. Computers/programming comes very naturally for me but t'hell if I could do history. I find if a person is really interested in a subject it will come easy to them (the brain is more willing to accept the information) but if it's a boring subject, no amount of studying or work will ever make it stick.

The 6 years, is that because of a government requirement of some sort?

im in the union 353 local (almost 2nd term). 1st year 1800hrs is pre-apprenticeship. every other year after that (5 terms of 1650hrs). inbetween that, you need to go to school for basic, intermediate, and advanced electrical theory (last for about 2 1/2 months each). plus safety training courses and saturday school for half a year. then you have to write cfq test to be a licensed journeyman. every hour is a worked hour, except for the training which credit is given. you also need to keep track of your hours and submit a report signed by ur superior every month. every term you are supposed to get more responsibility and a 10% raise from 1st term every term. your tool list also gets longer. you either work hard or you get left behind as an apprentice.

[loki]

In your opinion

My program was not easy

[m_bisson]

In your opinion

My program was not easy

In your opinion. It was probably easy for lots of people though.

[loki]

In your opinion. It was probably easy for lots of people though.


Edited: didn't mean what I said

[loki]

Everything will be tough for people and easy for people

I guess my point which was poorly executed was not to generalize

[m_bisson]

I know some programs require a lot more TIME to be put in, like becoming a doctor or lawyer. That doesn't mean it's actually harder to do. Go try taking drums lessons or piano lessons. Some people are naturally gifted in certain areas, like the arts, and no matter how much time you spend trying to teach some people, they can't get past drawing a stick figure on a pad of paper. Those are things that, no matter how much time you put in, simply cannot be taught to everyone.

[loki]

Being a Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer etc. isn't just about putting in the time

Takes a certain level of intelligence as well

[m_bisson]

Being a Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer etc. isn't just about putting in the time

Takes a certain level of intelligence as well

So do most other jobs out there. I gave a couple high "status" examples, but the same goes for other jobs. Also, intelligence doesn't correlate to performance. There are lots of very smart people who work mundane jobs, and vice versa. Having a high IQ (or being very intelligent) doesn't mean you'll be able to find the motivation to run 5km every morning, or handle a car at high speeds.... play guitar...write a novel....etc...

Also, don't confuse 'intelligence' with 'knowledge'. There are a LOT of people who can ace tests but don't know how to put a Lego set together. I know "professionals" who are dumber than doornails outside of work. They wouldn't come across as "intelligent" but they're "knowledgeable" enough to do their jobs.

[loki]

The ability to acquire knowledge takes intelligence

If you only have so much intelligence, the amount of knowledge you can attain will be limited. In alot of cases, that will limit the job/career you can pursue

[m_bisson]

The ability to acquire knowledge takes intelligence

If you only have so much intelligence, the amount of knowledge you can attain will be limited. In alot of cases, that will limit the job/career you can pursue

Now you're just making bullshit up. Here I was, thinking we were having an intelligent conversation....

[loki]

Now you're just making bullshit up. Here I was, thinking we were having an intelligent conversation....

how am I making stuff up?

I never thought I was having a intelligent conversation. I was after all, talking to you.

[loki]

So do most other jobs out there. I gave a couple high "status" examples, but the same goes for other jobs. Also, intelligence doesn't correlate to performance. There are lots of very smart people who work mundane jobs, and vice versa. Having a high IQ (or being very intelligent) doesn't mean you'll be able to find the motivation to run 5km every morning, or handle a car at high speeds.... play guitar...write a novel....etc...

Also, don't confuse 'intelligence' with 'knowledge'. There are a LOT of people who can ace tests but don't know how to put a Lego set together. I know "professionals" who are dumber than doornails outside of work. They wouldn't come across as "intelligent" but they're "knowledgeable" enough to do their jobs.

but you didn't pull any of the above out of your ass?!?!

[SomeGuy]

LoL now now kids...


Intelligence and knowledge aside, some people can, some people can't...it would be nice if at least everyone tried!

[loki]

LoL now now kids...


Intelligence and knowledge aside, some people can, some people can't...it would be nice if at least everyone tried!

Don't we all wish that


m_bisson maybe you should just give up on this pre-determined idea that everything I post is absolute shit and then you can have intelligent conversations with me

One day it might happen

[Shizuka_Osamu]

:ohsnap


Thats why im on MSF often than here......

I just go here to check for meets and good deals on classifieds.... pretty much this forum is good for :)

[m_bisson]

Lol did I just Troll loki? He looks Internet angry.

[loki]

Lol did I just Troll loki? He looks Internet angry.

nope

I simply don't care

[m_bisson]

Maybe you should use that magical "ability" so you can go aquire some knowledge. Then you won't look like a fool next time.

Let me help. There's a name for that "ability to aquire knowledge"; most people know it as "learning".

[SomeGuy]

LoL m_bission I hate to say it but not knowing either of you that well I have always gotten the impression that loki is smarter, more knowledgable, more intelligent, and generally less foolish than you. Perhaps you should listen to your own advice.


thank you
~ loki

[loki]

Maybe you should use that magical "ability" so you can go aquire some knowledge. Then you won't look like a fool next time.

Let me help. There's a name for that "ability to aquire knowledge"; most people know it as "learning".

is this still trolling?

[Aitch]

Apparently talking out of your ass, and getting called on it, is now "trolling".

Edit: also mis-understanding someone's argument and using that to justify your point.

[m_bisson]

Apparently talking out of your ass, and getting called on it, is now "trolling".

Edit: also mis-understanding someone's argument and using that to justify your point.

Well, it depends on how you define it... I always thought trolling was just getting people to somehow react noticeably. Granted, I can't see the look on his face, but he's double/triple posting at very short intervals. Either, I trolled him, or he has developed a habit of posting his thoughts as he has them.

I think it's more likely that I trolled him. Even SomeGuy stepped in to say "Lol now kids...", which means he must also have 'noticed' Loki's reaction to my post.

[SomeGuy]

Thread diversion before this spirals out of control, topic for the rest of today:

Quarantine for aid workers returning:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/27/chris-christie-stuck-her-in-prison-so-ebola-nurse-says-shell-sue/

She's going to sue because they're keeping her quarantined for a few weeks after returning? Seems reasonable to me and I've never quite understood why people in the states are so sue happy all the time. It's like they all feel self entitled but really can't understand the greater good.

[Aitch]

Well, it depends on how you define it... I always thought trolling was just getting people to somehow react noticeably. Granted, I can't see the look on his face, but he's double/triple posting at very short intervals. Either, I trolled him, or he has developed a habit of posting his thoughts as he has them.

I think it's more likely that I trolled him. Even SomeGuy stepped in to say "Lol now kids...", which means he must also have 'noticed' Loki's reaction to my post.

Trolling is posting something deliberately inciteful to get someone riled up, without necessarily believing the opinion that you are posting.

When you make an argument that reflects your belief, and someone refutes it, and then you say "well I trolled him" you're getting two things wrong at once.



To get back on topic - loki didn't confuse knowledge with intelligence. He explicitly stated that the former depends on the other, and never used them interchangeably. And it stands to reason that to increasing knowledge depends on intelligence. Otherwise, we'd all be able to understand (and surpass) Stephen Hawking's knowledge on theoretical physics. You can't tell me that's simply a matter of putting in the time to read everything.

Note - I'm not talking down the trades in any way. I believe people are certainly better at some things than others, and I have high regards for people who are highly skilled in trade work. But believing that becoming a lawyer or doctor is simply about putting in the time (and that anyone can do), whereas becoming a tradesperson is reserved for those with superior skills is laughable. (Again, note I'm talking about the idea of comparing both types of career in that way, not just one or the other).

[m_bisson]

Trolling is posting something deliberately inciteful to get someone riled up, without necessarily believing the opinion that you are posting.

When you make an argument that reflects your belief, and someone refutes it, and then you say "well I trolled him" you're getting two things wrong at once.



To get back on topic - loki didn't confuse knowledge with intelligence. He explicitly stated that the former depends on the other, and never used them interchangeably. And it stands to reason that to increasing knowledge depends on intelligence. Otherwise, we'd all be able to understand (and surpass) Stephen Hawking's knowledge on theoretical physics. You can't tell me that's simply a matter of putting in the time to read everything.

Note - I'm not talking down the trades in any way. I believe people are certainly better at some things than others, and I have high regards for people who are highly skilled in trade work. But believing that becoming a lawyer or doctor is simply about putting in the time (and that anyone can do), whereas becoming a tradesperson is reserved for those with superior skills is laughable. (Again, note I'm talking about the idea of comparing both types of career in that way, not just one or the other).

That's your opinion. Care to back it up with proof? We're all just spinning our wheels here ;)

[SirWanker]

Quarantine for aid workers returning:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/27/chris-christie-stuck-her-in-prison-so-ebola-nurse-says-shell-sue/

She's going to sue because they're keeping her quarantined for a few weeks after returning? Seems reasonable to me and I've never quite understood why people in the states are so sue happy all the time. It's like they all feel self entitled but really can't understand the greater good.

Quarantine period is necessary for this due to the nature of the disease but, if the article is truthful about the environment in which she is being kept isolated, she has the grounds for suing.

Sounds like to me, the Americans are being reactionary and making up handling protocol as they go along.

[Aitch]

That's your opinion. Care to back it up with proof? We're all just spinning our wheels here ;)

Proof to back up my opinion on what? Knowledge v. intelligence or elevating tradeswork education above lawyers and doctors?

Knowledge v intelligence is fairly clear-cut. To fully gain knowledge, you also have to be able to apply it, which requires intelligence. You can try to stuff your brain full of all the knowledge it will handle, but if you don't have the mental ability to interpret and re-apply that knowledge to unique situations (i.e. the common definition of intelligence) that knowledge is useless - and arguably you don't actually "know" those things. I would simply point to all the testing in university and the length of (and work done during) apprenticeships as proof - this is all done to show that you actually understand the knowledge given to you. If you are of limited intelligence in a certain field, you won't be able to properly gain that knowledge or put it to use.

To my latter point, it follows logically from what I wrote above. Some people are better at retaining and applying knowledge in one area of work than another. Some house-framers might make excellent lawyers, and vice versa. But a lot of people are simply better at one rather than the other, and have an easier time getting the accreditation in one field. Elevating the achievements in one field over the other is thus the ridiculous part.

[The Wolf]

Can we all just agree that nobody is better than anyone else except m_bisson is better than us all?

[m_bisson]

Nobody here seems to like me.

[starscream]

Nobody here seems to like me.

Really? what gave you that idea? /sarcasm/

[SomeGuy]

It's not that nobody likes you, it's that you're stirring the pot for no reason.


Trades or education are in a state where without further context they are both easier and more difficult than the other. People are either lazy or not and amazingly some are smarter than others. Hell, I've said it dozens of times in my life but "Darwin would be crushed" to see the survival of all instead of survival of the fittest. Why this world feels it's necessary to protect every special little snowflake from failing is beyond me? Let them learn from their damn mistakes, let them fail 2nd grade, let them get hurt and die?

Hypothetically if a parent is stupid enough (or not paying enough attention) to let a kid walk across the road and he gets hit and killed, do we really need to build fences? And setup video monitoring? And have speed bumps and cops and other shit all over the place? When I was a kid, from very young my parents watched if I was playing out front of the house, if I was walking down the street they held my hand, and I was taught you damn well stop and look before crossing the road.

[greyseason]

This is the meat and potatoes of TM3. It has it all

[jay93]

Thread diversion before this spirals out of control, topic for the rest of today:

Quarantine for aid workers returning:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/27/chris-christie-stuck-her-in-prison-so-ebola-nurse-says-shell-sue/

She's going to sue because they're keeping her quarantined for a few weeks after returning? Seems reasonable to me and I've never quite understood why people in the states are so sue happy all the time. It's like they all feel self entitled but really can't understand the greater good.

Honestly, I think that is so DAMN Stupid. She says it's going against her basic human rights (heard he say that on the news through a phone interview). She doesn't understand that this is a grave disease? Especially when there is no proven cure for this?

[jay93]

Well to add to my original post. I'm not sure if she has or does not have it but this quarantine should be done as a precaution

[6strings]

I know some programs require a lot more TIME to be put in, like becoming a doctor or lawyer. That doesn't mean it's actually harder to do. Go try taking drums lessons or piano lessons. Some people are naturally gifted in certain areas, like the arts, and no matter how much time you spend trying to teach some people, they can't get past drawing a stick figure on a pad of paper. Those are things that, no matter how much time you put in, simply cannot be taught to everyone.
I tend to agree.
I taught guitar for a few years, and a few students I took on were just not cut out for it.
But the debate comes in with natural talent vs hardwork (with music that is).

[SomeGuy]

Honestly, I think that is so DAMN Stupid. She says it's going against her basic human rights (heard he say that on the news through a phone interview). She doesn't understand that this is a grave disease? Especially when there is no proven cure for this?

Basic human rights?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/27/kaci-hickox-released-nj-quarantine-sent-private-am/


The office also defended its treatment of Ms. Hickox, saying she had been in a heated tent with access to a computer, cell phone, reading material and “nourishment of choice.”

God damn, I didn't know computer, cell, and choice of food was basic human rights? I guess every person sent to prison needs to sue for their basic human rights too?

[m_bisson]

Honestly, I think that is so DAMN Stupid. She says it's going against her basic human rights (heard he say that on the news through a phone interview). She doesn't understand that this is a grave disease? Especially when there is no proven cure for this?

I feel like she might also be really freaked out by the whole situation and this is her (weird) way of coping. I mean, given what ebola does to the human body, it's definitely hard to remain calm. Maybe she's looking for a way out, rationalizing it as if going home also means she isn't sick.

[SirWanker]

Thread diversion before this spirals out of control, topic for the rest of today:

Quarantine for aid workers returning:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2014/10/27/chris-christie-stuck-her-in-prison-so-ebola-nurse-says-shell-sue/

She's going to sue because they're keeping her quarantined for a few weeks after returning? Seems reasonable to me and I've never quite understood why people in the states are so sue happy all the time. It's like they all feel self entitled but really can't understand the greater good.

In the above link, her quarantine environment was complete isolation, no flushing toilet, no external communication aside from her lawyer ( that only occurred after numerous requests) . There was no detail on a personal computer, cell phone, food options.


Basic human rights?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/27/kaci-hickox-released-nj-quarantine-sent-private-am/

God damn, I didn't know computer, cell, and choice of food was basic human rights? I guess every person sent to prison needs to sue for their basic human rights too?

Are you equating prison to the quarantine conditions?

EDIT: for clarification, a quarantine period is a must but under a more humane situation.

[Default User]

In the above link, her quarantine environment was complete isolation, no flushing toilet, no external communication aside from her lawyer ( that only occurred after numerous requests) . There was no detail on a personal computer, cell phone, food options.



Are you equating prison to the quarantine conditions?

EDIT: for clarification, a quarantine period is a must but under a more humane situation.

Actually, the plaintiff was comparing it to a prison. LOL


IMO - she's just butt hurt that she might possibly have the virus. She knows the importance if the isolation process, but her ego is in the way. Maybe a slight "God" complex? Maybe fear of public humiliation - as if she's a leper?

I bet she is under the idealization that healthcare workers can't get sick LMAO. Shes a professional. She's immune to all germs and viruses because she knows how to prevent them and treat them. LOL

Truth is - nobody is immune - and quarantine - even as a precautionary measure is absolutely necessary.

I'm also assuming No flushing toilet is also necessary because infected waste cannot enter the general sewer system. If an animal (ie rat) comes in contact with infected stool, the virus can piggyback and can easily spread

[m_bisson]

That last sentence.... It made me picture a rat carrying little turds around on its back. Like a poop backpack.

[SomeGuy]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

[m_bisson]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

Depends.... At work, I do care about what my coworkers think about me. I stopped trying to impress strangers after high school, which led me to finding the best friends of my life.

Be yourself.

[Kiewan]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

Any specific aspects? Appearance, perception, "image"?
I buy $8.00 hoodies from orfus road. That about sums it up clothes wise.

[SomeGuy]

Any aspect...to some degree I would expect everyone to care what others think of them. Some might suffice with people not thinking they're an idiot whereas others might think it's necessary to be perceived to be the joneses all the time.

[The Wolf]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

I honestly feel like people who say they don't care what people think of them are lying to themselves and others. Nobody wants to be thought of as ugly/dumb/unskilled etc.

It bothers me when someone dislikes something fundamental about my personality. But I suppose it's fair because I dislike so many peoples personalities LOL

also I'd like to add m_bisson I admit you push my buttons. I've never met you so we may actually get along if we met, who knows. I know I like to push buttons sometimes and as a result, I bet a bunch of people on this forum automatically think I'm a shitty person. But tying in nicely to my first point, I don't know them and therefore don't care haha

[The Wolf]

I tend to agree.
I taught guitar for a few years, and a few students I took on were just not cut out for it.
But the debate comes in with natural talent vs hardwork (with music that is).

Music is one of those things you have to have IN you. No question about it. Anyone can learn to read tabs and sweep pick with lightning fast precision with enough practice. Spending a lot of time in the local metal/hardcore/punk scene, you really see a lot of people who can repeat techniques, but the music they make all sounds the same. When you hear a true musician, you immediately hear the difference.

It's the same with any other discipline, but probably just less evident.

[asyed]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

I personally do not like upsetting people unless they get upset over something thats not worth getting upset over/ being overly sensitive( Many of you who have known me long enough in person know that I dont like starting fights/arguments or try to get on people's bad sides) . As for what people think of me. I wont say i dont mind because to a certain degree I do.. especially in a proffesional enviroment such as a workplace or even working in a group on an assignment. But when it comes to more personal stuff, if a person does not like me because of my looks ( I usually get mixed opinions on this one) or how I act, 90% of the time Im not going to change to adapt.


The one thing that does bother me is if I mess up in doing something or upset someone. I feel pretty guilty if I do upset someone and try my best to make up for it if I ever did anything wrong to them.

[Kiewan]

Answering SomeGuy's poll:
I can be perceived by others in a lot of different ways. I see myself in 3 ways right now.
Socially; I try to be a good friend, funny and sometimes a goof. I don't want to be seen by others as a complete comedian though.

Visually (Clothing wise keeps coming to mind): I dress business casual for work and hate tucking in my shirt. I get home/ do errands in my $8.00 hoodies ect. Because its comfy and best suites me. I couldn't care how others think I look when I'm outside of work. I have other concerns which are far more important to me.

Work ethic: I try to put my all into my job and various other projects as I gain satisfaction from it. The Quality of my work is something I really care about because I feel it represents myself in a way and I like to be proud of it, and by extension myself.

[SKyactivmanny]

Quick impromptu poll:

How many people here care what others think of them? To what degree? Why?

I care if someone has a problem with me ( aka what makes me ME fundamentally) anything else i don't really care about because at the end of the day my parents brought me into this world to be successful and to pass on our family values and morals. They didn't have sleepless nights thinking "what if nobody likes him" who cares if people don't like you, its impossible to be liked by everyone for several factors. People will like you and hate you but in the end it doesn't matter because those people don't pay your bills, they don't fill your fridge, they have no say in your life so why get your jimmies rustled? Even more so if it over the internet, shit just think about how shitty your life would be if it revolved around this forum. (no disrespect to anyone)




Any specific aspects? Appearance, perception, "image"?
I buy $8.00 hoodies from orfus road. That about sums it up clothes wise.

Those $8.00 hoodies have lasted me longer than any hoodie ive ever bought off any shelf at any mall.

[SomeGuy]

Even better question of the day:

How often do you feel "tired"? Every day? Once a week?

I find myself more often than I'd like feeling tired at various points in the day, no energy to do things...I try to eat a decent diet and get exercise and I consistently get to bed on time and get 7-8 hours sleep. Yet, some day (like today right now) I feel friggin beat.

[Kiewan]

I fix that with honey green tea in the morning. Coffee upsets my stomach.

[SomeGuy]

I surprisingly don't drink coffee...nor do I intend on taking it up. But caffeine shouldn't be the solution.

[jay93]

Even better question of the day:

How often do you feel "tired"? Every day? Once a week?

I find myself more often than I'd like feeling tired at various points in the day, no energy to do things...I try to eat a decent diet and get exercise and I consistently get to bed on time and get 7-8 hours sleep. Yet, some day (like today right now) I feel friggin beat.

I have the same feeling especially after lunch break. I've heard on the television that we don't need the standard 8hours of rest as one thought. But everyone's body is different.

[m_bisson]

It's really gross, but try making a smoothie for breakfast with 'hemp hearts' in it. I don't do it anymore because of the taste/texture, but you'll get a ton of energy and won't even feel bad later in the day, like you do after 4 coffees.

[Jenuine]

Even better question of the day:

How often do you feel "tired"? Every day? Once a week?

I find myself more often than I'd like feeling tired at various points in the day, no energy to do things...I try to eat a decent diet and get exercise and I consistently get to bed on time and get 7-8 hours sleep. Yet, some day (like today right now) I feel friggin beat.

Have you ever had your iron levels checked? Same thing happens to me, it's because I have low iron in my blood. I used to take iron pills but stopped. They do help when taken regularly.

[jaimie08mazda3]

Even better question of the day:

How often do you feel "tired"? Every day? Once a week?

I find myself more often than I'd like feeling tired at various points in the day, no energy to do things...I try to eat a decent diet and get exercise and I consistently get to bed on time and get 7-8 hours sleep. Yet, some day (like today right now) I feel friggin beat.

Day shift I'm tired the entire week. Trying to go to bed for 7pm to be up for 2:30 just doesn't happen. It ends up being 10-11 no matter how hard I try. Then come Thursday I'm pretty well comatose and spend my Friday sleeping. Then afternoon shift comes the following week and I don't feel tired at all. Plus working 10.5 hour shifts and a 45 min drive one way everyday makes for a long day.

[m_bisson]

I have the same feeling especially after lunch break. I've heard on the television that we don't need the standard 8hours of rest as one thought. But everyone's body is different.

I read about some studies that were done where people were kept isolated indoors. No sun, no clocks, no way to tell time whatsoever. The research showed people gradually adapting to their own 48 hour day with 12 to 16 hour sleep cycles.
You think our bodies would evolve to the day/night cycle of our planet, but our "natural" cycle is much different.

[Kiewan]

I surprisingly don't drink coffee...nor do I intend on taking it up. But caffeine shouldn't be the solution.
It is at 6am in an empty office.
Keeping active really helps. Set tasks/hobbies that you like doing and it'll keep you going. Guitar, darkroom photography and drawing keep me going.
I do however have a tendency to crash right after dinner. I have cut down on dinner portion size, but if I sit idle too long, I'll fall asleep.

[jay93]

To give my answer on the question of others thought on myself, I answer like this. I DONT care at all what others in public (strangers) think of my appearance but with family and friends I'm just a relax kind of guy with the mentality of 'everything will be okay' when going out to a dinner or an event I do dress appropriate to those outings
At work there is no specific dress code. I am how ever very polite with my boss as I've only been working for this company 9months and the reason I'm like that is in fear of layoffs. But I will give an example of judgmental people. I needed a pair of drywall stilts and if you may not know they're expensive depending on their size. The one I wanted was 24" to 40" and those are the most expensive coming in at roughly 450$ after the tax.
I went into the store after a day at work dressed in sweatpants and a shirt. I asked for those specific stilts and the gentle men went to his warehouse and brought them out. The he goes to me these are pretty expensive would you like the 14" to 24" instead. I said nope these are what I want and these are what I'm paying for. LOL end story. I just think of this as an example of people judging you based on your appearance

[SomeGuy]

Have you ever had your iron levels checked? Same thing happens to me, it's because I have low iron in my blood. I used to take iron pills but stopped. They do help when taken regularly.

Iron is fine...I do have slightly elevated Calcium though (borderline high but not above safe levels) which can somewhat contribute.

I wonder if it has to do with the constant bombardment in our lives these days, nothing stops...I think I need to buy an off the grid cottage to unwind.

[Kiewan]

Iron is fine...I do have slightly elevated Calcium though (borderline high but not above safe levels) which can somewhat contribute.

I wonder if it has to do with the constant bombardment in our lives these days, nothing stops...I think I need to buy an off the grid cottage to unwind.
There are a few leases in Algonquin park I can recommend. The deafening sound of nothing is really nice. Anywhere where you can see stars and not hear traffic helps.

[SomeGuy]

There are a few leases in Algonquin park I can recommend. The deafening sound of nothing is really nice. Anywhere where you can see stars and not hear traffic helps.

Surprisingly my house can be damn near 100% silent...it's quite cool actually and one of the nice things about where I live, but as long as the fridge/furnace/etc aren't running, it's crazy quiet.

That said, I have pondered the thought of finding a cottage as a way to get away from it all on the weekends.

[Mitchell3]

Surprisingly my house can be damn near 100% silent...it's quite cool actually and one of the nice things about where I live, but as long as the fridge/furnace/etc aren't running, it's crazy quiet.

That said, I have pondered the thought of finding a cottage as a way to get away from it all on the weekends.

The homes in your neighbourhood are actually pretty good. Even the townhouses we manage have good soundproofing. Just so long as houses don't explode..

[SomeGuy]

The homes in your neighbourhood are actually pretty good. Even the townhouses we manage have good soundproofing. Just so long as houses don't explode..

Yeah, mine is first floor brick so the main floor is super quiet...upstairs isn't quite as good with the vinyl siding. Either way, the construction on this house isn't half bad overall.

The threat of fire around here does bother me a bit....especially after the neighbours place.

[Mitchell3]

Yeah, mine is first floor brick so the main floor is super quiet...upstairs isn't quite as good with the vinyl siding. Either way, the construction on this house isn't half bad overall.

The threat of fire around here does bother me a bit....especially after the neighbours place.

Yeah, with the homes being so close together, you don't only need to worry about a fire in your own home but also your neighbours. Their so close it doesn't take much to spread. Just have to hope you have good neighbours.

Same neighbourhood many years ago, a tenant of one of our homes looked outside and thought he saw someone approaching his house, so he locked himself in the bedroom and set the door on fire.. I think the fire was bad enough it damaged the neighbouring units. Not to scare you but there are a few loony bins out there haha.

[loki]

My house is attached to my neighbours house

[The Wolf]

Even better question of the day:

How often do you feel "tired"? Every day? Once a week?

I find myself more often than I'd like feeling tired at various points in the day, no energy to do things...I try to eat a decent diet and get exercise and I consistently get to bed on time and get 7-8 hours sleep. Yet, some day (like today right now) I feel friggin beat.
I feel tired more often than not. I have (self diagnosed) sleep apnea. My gf confirmed it, I stop breathing many times in the middle of my sleep and I'm often not able to actually get REM sleep.

Eating well and good sleep habits help make the best of the situation, but eventually I'm gonna need to get a CPAP machine :(

[Reddie1337]

I feel tired more often than not. I have (self diagnosed) sleep apnea. My gf confirmed it, I stop breathing many times in the middle of my sleep and I'm often not able to actually get REM sleep.

Eating well and good sleep habits help make the best of the situation, but eventually I'm gonna need to get a CPAP machine :(

I've been noticing that too. My girlfriend says my sleeping gets better when I'm on my side. Have you tried that? Also, getting a pillow that is perfect to keep your neck straight when you're on your side is key, keeps the airway as clear as possible.

[Default User]

Quick Poll

How ethical are you?

Are you a downloader or have you purchased pirated/knock off items (knowingly)?

I suspect in this day and age - almost everybody is doing it... But does that make it right?

[Hyperion]

Wait, people still pay for dvd's and movies?
I only pay for big screen big sound on movies that need it, LOTR, Avengers... Etc.
If I paid for a will ferrel moviw I'd feel cheated.

[jaimie08mazda3]

Quick Poll

How ethical are you?

Are you a downloader or have you purchased pirated/knock off items (knowingly)?

I suspect in this day and age - almost everybody is doing it... But does that make it right?

I love CDs and DVDs/blu-ray. Been a collector all my life. I do download music every once in a while but I prefer the quality of both rather then downloads. And in certain aspects downloading can be right. For example iTunes you buy the song rather then getting it for free. Less viruses and you get CD quality with that. Knock off products I don't really know much about. If I like something I buy it. Regardless if its real or fake.

[The Wolf]

Music: I go see smaller bands live as often as possible because that's where they make a much larger share of their money. Bigger bands I am not really concerned, same thing for them though. The labels make money on album sales and the band makes money touring. I download almost all my music except for self-produced albums/ep's. I was in a band and I decided that I was fine with people doing that with our music so as long as it's legal I have successfully rationalized it.

Movies: I subscribe to Netflix and go to the movies to see movies I'm excited about. I download TV and movies as well because it's way cheaper.

99.9% of members on this board buy knock off car parts, myself included. I don't buy fake clothes/shoes/sunglasses though... That's just embarrassing.

[Kiewan]

I usually stream music before I download to see if its any good. Mostly when I'm new to a band. Digital window shopping(Limited storage on my old iPod)
I also usually buy LPs, CDs or downloads from bands I'd like to support but I do download as well. Mostly for singles or songs I'm on the fence about.
I still buy movies that I really like (xmen a few days ago) but download / stream others that are not good because I can't afford to buy every movie out there, especially when seeing good movies is such a crap shoot.

[m_bisson]

ITunes is not CD quality. Lol.

Plus you only get one copy of the song. If you lose it, you have to buy it again. Ask me how I know.

[aris]

ITunes is not CD quality. Lol.

Plus you only get one copy of the song. If you lose it, you have to buy it again. Ask me how I know.

Actually no you can down load it again free of charge.... Ask me how I know

[Mr Wilson]

Actually no you can down load it again free of charge.... Ask me how I know

This.

[m_bisson]

Is that true? I spent an hour on the phone with them about this. Mind you, the last time I bought from iTunes was last decade sometime.

[aris]

Is that true? I spent an hour on the phone with them about this. Mind you, the last time I bought from iTunes was last decade sometime.

Long story short my phone got replaced under waranty last year and I thought I backed it up on my new computer but it didn't back up cause I didn't authorize my new computer so not one of my songs went to new phone so I had to down load every song I purchased on iTunes for free.

[SomeGuy]

The way the big companies want to give us media and the way we want to consume it just don't line up. Even things like Netflix aren't perfect given the cost of internet with adequate bandwidth caps and the inability to have Netflix say out at the cottage with no internet. Plus Netflix hardly has the content I want to see. iTunes your locked to a stupid infrastructure that I don't agree with either.

People want all you can eat, can have your own copy, with perfect quality, at a reasonable price. If I could get everything I wanted through one service and cancel my cable tv package, I'd happily pay the $50-75 for something that works better.

[m_bisson]

SomeGuy try a Vpn for Netflix.

But I agree... There are times where I wish I could go rent a did because it's not on Netflix and I'm feeling honest.

[jaimie08mazda3]

SomeGuy try a Vpn for Netflix.

But I agree... There are times where I wish I could go rent a did because it's not on Netflix and I'm feeling honest.

There is still HMV, FS, BB, and my favourite The Beat Goes On. I've got 500+ DVDs and it still grows. If I see a movie I wanna watch and I can't find it on Netflix or On Demand with Bell then I go out and buy it. I like knowing I have a lot to choose from. Not to mention all my friends call my movie collection "the new blockbuster". That's the nice thing about owning them. I have so much too choose from. Plus my 2 TB hard drive that a guy at work stacked full of movies and TV shows he's collected over the years.

[greyseason]

Question of the day:

Do you guys suffer from Anxiety?
What are you tips and tricks for dealing with it?

[greyseason]

I personally, get anxiety at the most random of times. I think alot of it has to do with some girls ive dated years ago, when i was much mroe impressionable, and its left me having to work on things as ive gotten older.

I think many people have an anxiety problem, but just sweep it under the rug, or treat it as if its nothing.

For me, I like to meditate, even for only 5 minutes to try and take my head off of it. Talking about it also helps alot.

[The Wolf]

I do.

Hence never showing up for meets...

[greyseason]

I do.

Hence never showing up for meets...
I got you bro, I'd never make you stay longer than you wanted

[m_bisson]

I don't. I've had a couple jobs that involved a lot of public speaking, so whatever anxiety I had, I got over it quickly.

[Timotee]

I remember having existential crisis when I was a young boy......that would ruin my whole day. Somehow I outgrew that but I guess being surrounded by a lot of friends got me through it.


I personally, get anxiety at the most random of times. I think alot of it has to do with some girls ive dated years ago, when i was much mroe impressionable, and its left me having to work on things as ive gotten older.

I think many people have an anxiety problem, but just sweep it under the rug, or treat it as if its nothing.

For me, I like to meditate, even for only 5 minutes to try and take my head off of it. Talking about it also helps alot.

[SKyactivmanny]

For the longest time i had trouble speaking to people and making friends on the fly, it would take me months to develop a friendship and every time i had to meet people i would get all weird and short of breath which lead to my first year of high school to be known as "that one quiet hispanic kid" Then i smoked copious amounts of chronic and all that anxiety went...up in smoke. i do however get a little bit of it when i think about the last trip i'll ever make but that just because i don't know wtf is on the other side, or if there is even an other side. Like wtf happens? total darkness? reincarnation? WAT!!!???

[Reddie1337]

I used to be an awkward kid in high school, basically I don't know what happened, but I just started to talk to everybody, everyone knew me, no one seemed to hate me. I only made a few good friends from high school, but one of my best friends is one I met in high school.

I felt like I was one of the shy nerdy guys in school. I got a girlfriend (who I'm still with today) and then I said screw it, why live like this, I can either meet people, or always be worried they don't like me.

[m_bisson]

I have trouble keeping friendships going. Honestly, I love my "me" time, and so I've forgone a lot of social time. I've shrunk down to a a few close friends and that's it. I have no desire to juggle plans/people to the point where I'm busy every night of the week. I've always been like this.

Unfortunately, it's cost a few good friendships. People I've known for years have gradually drifted away, and I feel like it's mostly/entirely my fault.

[SomeGuy]

Is it sad that I don't know who some of my facebook friends are now because they've gotten married and changed their last names?

[6strings]

I got rid of Facebook. Don't need it. Anyone who needs to stay in touch has my phone number or email.
Most people I had on FB didn't know me personally anyways. Wish them the best, but I could care less about how their starbucks barista spelled their name wrong on their triple espresso low fat hazelnut macchiato cup.

[Reddie1337]

I have Facebook, but I deleted it off my phone, I was clicking it at work too much to browse something, now I just click Tapatalk :P A lot of my feed is people getting engaged and married. Problems of a 23 year old...

[Default User]

Is it sad that I don't know who some of my facebook friends are now because they've gotten married and changed their last names?

That would be a great status update

[The Wolf]

Facebook isn't that bad, you just have to not be afraid to use the unfollow/delete options. I've deleted my FB before about 5 years ago. I was off for maybe 6 months, and then I started a new one. Now, same sh*t different pile. Before it was just drama surrounding old friend groups, now it's drama surrounding car people I don't know.

The real issue (for me) is that people use Facebook to MAKE friends instead of stay connected with existing ones. Having people you don't know on your FB is a source of constant annoyance and drama.

[SomeGuy]

I've never added people I don't know from somewhere on facebook...yet still, more than 12 years since high school it's hard to remember everyone exactly from before then.

[RTEnthusiast]

I personally, get anxiety at the most random of times. I think alot of it has to do with some girls ive dated years ago, when i was much mroe impressionable, and its left me having to work on things as ive gotten older.

I think many people have an anxiety problem, but just sweep it under the rug, or treat it as if its nothing.

For me, I like to meditate, even for only 5 minutes to try and take my head off of it. Talking about it also helps alot.

I have never admitted this to anyone before, so it's a bit strange to admit it on an online forum. I do believe I have some sort of anxiety disorder. I'm not really sure if those of you who know me in person are able to tell, but living alone has definitely changed me in many ways. I haven't tried meditation greyseason, is there a particular type or recommendation you'd be willing to share? I think I'm at that point where I don't want to sweep it under the rug anymore.

[peterm15]

I have never admitted this to anyone before, so it's a bit strange to admit it on an online forum. I do believe I have some sort of anxiety disorder. I'm not really sure if those of you who know me in person are able to tell, but living alone has definitely changed me in many ways. I haven't tried meditation greyseason, is there a particular type or recommendation you'd be willing to share? I think I'm at that point where I don't want to sweep it under the rug anymore.

The meditation ect is the way to go. Breathing techniques if you're having an attack. That's what works for me. You don't have to lean on a certain type. Just relax. Concentrate on deep breathing.

Its also a good idea to try and find triggers if there are any. It could be certain people, caffeine, alcohol (even just different types), sub conscious fears or nothing at all.

If you have attacks and learn how to breath they will go as fast as they came. Unfortunately it will not stop them but will for sure lower the frequency.

And as greyseason suggested. Talk about it. Preferably with someone who has been through it.

[greyseason]

I have never admitted this to anyone before, so it's a bit strange to admit it on an online forum. I do believe I have some sort of anxiety disorder. I'm not really sure if those of you who know me in person are able to tell, but living alone has definitely changed me in many ways. I haven't tried meditation @greyseason (http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/member.php?u=18484), is there a particular type or recommendation you'd be willing to share? I think I'm at that point where I don't want to sweep it under the rug anymore.

Always willing to help another person out. I honestly use youtube. Its easy to listen/skim through a few and find one that appeals to you. I can PM you or post it on here. What peterm15 said is pretty much sums up what i was going to say. The triggers are what get you, and they can be anything at all.

This meditation is only 10minutes long, and the girl has a soft, monotone voice which they all seem to have haha.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoYnqvadurg

http://marc.ucla.edu/body.cfm?id=22
http://www.chopra.com/ccl/guided-meditations

My favourite

http://www.fragrantheart.com/cms/free-audio-meditations

Hope this helps buddy!

[m_bisson]

I really hate the "drugs are the best approach" approach. We've been around, as a species, for hundreds of thousands of years. You think you're the first person to get anxious?

Drugs should be a last resort, if nothing else works. I've seen people become addicted to them to the point where they can't leave their bedroom without the drugs in their system.

This was doctor prescribed. You know what he did to fix it? Told her to increase the dosage.

[m_bisson]

I really hate the "drugs are the best approach" approach. We've been around, as a species, for hundreds of thousands of years. You think you're the first person to get anxious?

Drugs should be a last resort, if nothing else works. I've seen people become addicted to them to the point where they can't leave their bedroom without the drugs in their system.

This was doctor prescribed. You know what he did to fix it? Told her to increase the dosage.


Who wants to have a modern psychiatry/psychology discussion ?

[6strings]

I really hate the "drugs are the best approach" approach. We've been around, as a species, for hundreds of thousands of years. You think you're the first person to get anxious?

Drugs should be a last resort, if nothing else works. I've seen people become addicted to them to the point where they can't leave their bedroom without the drugs in their system.

This was doctor prescribed. You know what he did to fix it? Told her to increase the dosage.


Who wants to have a modern psychiatry/psychology discussion ?

Sounds good, but we should ask your other personality that question too.

[m_bisson]

Lol didn't mean to double post. I thought I was editing.

[RTEnthusiast]

The meditation ect is the way to go. Breathing techniques if you're having an attack. That's what works for me. You don't have to lean on a certain type. Just relax. Concentrate on deep breathing.

Its also a good idea to try and find triggers if there are any. It could be certain people, caffeine, alcohol (even just different types), sub conscious fears or nothing at all.

If you have attacks and learn how to breath they will go as fast as they came. Unfortunately it will not stop them but will for sure lower the frequency.

And as greyseason suggested. Talk about it. Preferably with someone who has been through it.

Oh I totally know one of the triggers - someone indirectly from work... just seeing them or their social media presence makes my blood boil and subsequently ruins my whole day.

[SomeGuy]

Just remove them from your life...stress isn't something to be messed with and cutting it out, whatever the perceived repercussions might be to a working relationship, is the best option.

[Default User]

Oh I totally know one of the triggers - someone indirectly from work... just seeing them or their social media presence makes my blood boil and subsequently ruins my whole day.

I get that same feeling with my in-laws.
(As mentioned earlier here)

[RTEnthusiast]

Just remove them from your life...stress isn't something to be messed with and cutting it out, whatever the perceived repercussions might be to a working relationship, is the best option.

Sort of difficult to remove someone who indirectly works with you. Plus, I work in the media industry - doing anything to try and shut up the media typically makes them louder. I've been using the ignore method.

[Kiewan]

I had removed a person who I was in elementary school with and saw her at a party. I said hi but she was being a complete ***** to me because I unfriended her on fbook. She took it like a huge insult. Apparently I cannot be friends with her until we are declared friends online

[RTEnthusiast]

I had removed a person who I was in elementary school with and saw her at a party. I said hi but she was being a complete ***** to me because I unfriended her on fbook. She took it like a huge insult. Apparently I cannot be friends with her until we are declared friends online

If it's not on Facebook, it's not official! ;) F*ck those people.

[m_bisson]

If it's not on Facebook, it's not official! ;) F*ck those people.

I dated a girl who thought that lol.

[SomeGuy]

Sort of difficult to remove someone who indirectly works with you. Plus, I work in the media industry - doing anything to try and shut up the media typically makes them louder. I've been using the ignore method.

What does indirectly mean in this case? Ignoring can be as good as removing. I just mean remove yourself from that situation where it causes you stress, be it walking away, ignoring, blocking, avoiding, etc. Sometimes unfortunately you need to do things that aren't as polite (ignoring, etc) if they really cause you issues and can't be dealt with another way.

Alternatively, confronting the person and telling them you have issues with whatever they are doing to end the conflict is better but sometimes not possible. It's also best done with someone else of authority to ensure it's resolved properly and you have recourse if things don't improve. You said it's work related, so usually your HR department or boss should mediate issues with other employees.

[RTEnthusiast]

What does indirectly mean in this case? Ignoring can be as good as removing. I just mean remove yourself from that situation where it causes you stress, be it walking away, ignoring, blocking, avoiding, etc. Sometimes unfortunately you need to do things that aren't as polite (ignoring, etc) if they really cause you issues and can't be dealt with another way.

Alternatively, confronting the person and telling them you have issues with whatever they are doing to end the conflict is better but sometimes not possible. It's also best done with someone else of authority to ensure it's resolved properly and you have recourse if things don't improve. You said it's work related, so usually your HR department or boss should mediate issues with other employees.

I own a car magazine. I manage my in-house staff - they're a dream team and not the issue at all. Competitors whom you deal with on a regular basis either at launch parties, events, or even routine test car pickups/dropoffs are difficult to eliminate altogether. You can't tell a manufacturer to not invite you to an event or give you the heads-up if a certain competitor isn't going to be there. This is an interesting industry; 99% of my competitors are amazing people and I interact with them on social media on a regular basis, as well as occasionally grab lunch/dinner/drinks with them on our personal time/dollar.

[m_bisson]

Online magazine = blog

[loki]

Online magazine = blog

I been saying this for 3 years now

[asyed]

Online magazine = blog

You watch that mouth of yours.



Doubleclutch is a respectable online car magazine. To call it a blog can be degrading its true value.



Back on topic.


I suffer from anxiety too for a number of things. I usually tackle them with a deep breath or I just avoid the situation if I can.

[loki]

there's nothing wrong with a properly designed and updated blog

[RTEnthusiast]

I been saying this for 3 years now


Online magazine = blog

Not sure if trolling, but there is a difference. Blogs don't get any sort of respect from auto manufacturers, they don't get invited to launch parties and certainly don't get invited across the world to first drives. Blogs also don't get test cars, and if they do, they only get the ones that nobody else wants.

Also one important thing: blogs don't really have any income past Google ads that hand out ~$50/month. The magazine is my livelihood and I certainly can't live off $50/month. :)

[m_bisson]

Magazine's have issues and subscriptions (though there are free ones out there too) . If I wanted to cite your "magazine" for an essay or whatever, would I be able to do it?

No. Your material would be cited as a website, not a publication. And this has nothing to do with physical media vs digital media, it's just the way it's formatted. Magazines have a table of contents, and order to things. Your website is just articles with no structure. It's a blog.

But hey, if you ever start offering subscriptions, maybe I'll sign up. It'll be nice to see what's featured in your first issue.

[asyed]

Magazine's have issues and subscriptions (though there are free ones out there too) . If I wanted to cite your "magazine" for an essay or whatever, would I be able to do it?

No. Your material would be cited as a website, not a publication. And this has nothing to do with physical media vs digital media, it's just the way it's formatted. Magazines have a table of contents, and order to things. Your website is just articles with no structure. It's a blog.

But hey, if you ever start offering subscriptions, maybe I'll sign up. It'll be nice to see what's featured in your first issue.



I think the reason he doesnt like it being called a blog ( correct me if im wrong) is that "blogs" and "magazines" have different stigmas.

In todays world anyone can make a "blog" ( Heck even I made one back in high school that still exists till today and I cringe everytime i look at it). Most of them are fairly straightforward and the layout lists posts in a more chronological order with no real navigation around the site except for tags. Furthermore most of these "blogs" dont really garner much attention unless you are really good at it (like Jalopnik) and in my case I got almost no traffic until one of my posts got featured in a contest and I got 3rd place. Even more so, most of these blogs are more focused on reporting the latest car news rather than reviewing cars. Publications like Car and Driver on the other hand focus more on reviewing cars with a small section for the latest auto news.
It takes alot more work than you think to get from a small website/online magazine to one that gets access to hundreds of cars every year to test out ( after all Im pretty sure they dont just give out press cars to the average blog owner... you need some credibility) and also is the main source of income for the person running it.



Also Technically you can "subscribe" to most of these online magazines via email mailing lists.

[fruitloops]

I think the reason he doesnt like it being called a blog ( correct me if im wrong) is that "blogs" and "magazines" have different stigmas.

In todays world anyone can make a "blog" ( Heck even I made one back in high school that still exists till today and I cringe everytime i look at it). Most of them are fairly straightforward and the layout lists posts in a more chronological order with no real navigation around the site except for tags. Furthermore most of these "blogs" dont really garner much attention unless you are really good at it (like Jalopnik) and in my case I got almost no traffic until one of my posts got featured in a contest and I got 3rd place. Even more so, most of these blogs are more focused on reporting the latest car news rather than reviewing cars. Publications like Car and Driver on the other hand focus more on reviewing cars with a small section for the latest auto news.
It takes alot more work than you think to get from a small website/online magazine to one that gets access to hundreds of cars every year to test out ( after all Im pretty sure they dont just give out press cars to the average blog owner... you need some credibility) and also is the main source of income for the person running it.



Also Technically you can "subscribe" to most of these online magazines via email mailing lists.
Ok, thanks for the info. Brb starting a blog, anyone can do it.

[fruitloops]

http://techandcar.blogspot.ca/2011/01/why-i-am-excited-about-test-drive.html?m=1

Is this the blog asyed ?

[fruitloops]

http://techandcar.blogspot.ca/2011/01/why-i-am-excited-about-test-drive.html?m=1

Is this the blog asyed ?
:loki

[asyed]

:gone



EDIT: yes .... yes it is.... and yes its horrible.
I probably should have remembered that they put my full name on the winners page for that contest.

[fruitloops]

:gone
You made it too easy. Saw your post ;tldr

Searched Google. Only the third page.

Made my post, then read some more of your post

Realized I found your "blog"

High fived myself.

[Default User]

E-mag / blog - same shit different smell

It's like a prostitute saying she's no hooker.

[Default User]

End of the day - if he's making enough money to make it a living, then he can call it whatever he wants.

But I'm pretty sure "StanceisEverything" is considered a blog, and is highly respected in the tuner community

[loki]

E-mag / blog - same shit different smell

It's like a prostitute saying she's no hooker.

It's like a hooker saying she just likes to party but really she's just a good girl

[The Wolf]

SIE is a self-proclaimed "blog" He's media at SEMA, also has written features on other worthless "blogs" like SpeedHunters.

[fruitloops]

Just wanted to post This here:

Some great car wax reviews.

http://techandcar.blogspot.ca/2013/06/car-cleaning-products-review-wax-edition.html?m=1

"Where tech geeks and car geeks unite"

[SomeGuy]

So, what does everyone think about the Canadian military attacking ISIS in Iraq? When was the last time we actually launched air strikes?

[Dubwize]

I'm not going to weigh in the first question, being military I'm slightly biased. As for the rest, the last time would have been Libya, 2011.

[m_bisson]

I'm okay with Canada going in as long as the other United nations chip in too.

[adubya]

I'm okay with it. Hopefully we get to hit some more strategically important targets than the dump trucks that we hit on our first air strike run

[SKyactivmanny]

Im 50/50 i feel they need to be stopped but at the same time its almost as if we're forced into it by the USA. Maybe if like bisson said, everyone chipped in to stop a threat that really is universal then it wouldn't be such a touchy subject. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes to fly a cf-18 all the way there and back. Inb4 the f35s are more efficient- they aren't.

[RTEnthusiast]

Magazine's have issues and subscriptions (though there are free ones out there too) . If I wanted to cite your "magazine" for an essay or whatever, would I be able to do it?

No. Your material would be cited as a website, not a publication. And this has nothing to do with physical media vs digital media, it's just the way it's formatted. Magazines have a table of contents, and order to things. Your website is just articles with no structure. It's a blog.

But hey, if you ever start offering subscriptions, maybe I'll sign up. It'll be nice to see what's featured in your first issue.

Um, there actually is a huge difference. Publications such as (but not limited to) Driving.ca, Autos.ca, AutoGuide.com, are all our direct competitors. Would you refer to them as a blog? The definition of electronic magazine has been drastically evolving over the last couple years. Comparing a blog to an accredited publication is like comparing Wikipedia to an actual encyclopedia. Our writers all have some sort of automotive background, as well as multiple writers of ours being backed by AJAC (Automotive Journalists' Association of Canada). Adding to this, everybody has extensive track time as well as experience behind the wheel of hundreds and hundreds of vehicles on the manufacturers' media fleets. None of this is the case with "blogs".

I know we're splitting hairs here, and I'm not trying to come across like a braggart, but it's important that I'll defend DC in the same way Ami would defend TM3 (and rightfully so). Calling it a blog isn't just something I take personally - it's factually incorrect and discredits the time, effort, and money invested into making it a successful business. Perhaps huge content-machines like Jalopnik can get away with calling themselves a blog; that's not a road I've ever been really interested in pursuing and I've been actively been working on organic content generation down a different path.


edit: I got sidetracked and forgot to post my reply, and now see that this thread has moved onto a far more important topic. Feel free to not reply to my above post and continue with regularly scheduled programming. ;)

[Default User]

So, what does everyone think about the Canadian military attacking ISIS in Iraq? When was the last time we actually launched air strikes?


I do not like that we are committed to this at all. I would have preferred we contribute financially, if anything.

[m_bisson]

I paint for a living. You may not have heard of me, but you've probably heard of my competition: Picasso and monet.

[SomeGuy]

Im 50/50 i feel they need to be stopped but at the same time its almost as if we're forced into it by the USA. Maybe if like bisson said, everyone chipped in to stop a threat that really is universal then it wouldn't be such a touchy subject. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes to fly a cf-18 all the way there and back. Inb4 the f35s are more efficient- they aren't.

Why have them if we don't use them? The flight there isn't any different than flying training missions throughout the year.

[SomeGuy]

I am getting so fed up with the "Broke Student" excuse. When I was a student I was never completely broke...maybe if kids focused more on working (which I did all the way through school) than partying every night/weekend, having the latest electronic toys, and going to expensive places every year they'd have a bit more money.

[m_bisson]

I remember in one class in university the prof had us raise our hands if we had a job during school. Then keep your hands up if you work more than 10 hours a week... 15...20...etc. Only about a third of the students had a job to begin with, and only 4of us worked more than 20 hours a week. If I can do it, and still get decent grades, there's no reason others can't. In fact, if I wasn't working, I'm not sure what I would have done with all that free time.

[SomeGuy]

I remember in one class in university the prof had us raise our hands if we had a job during school. Then keep your hands up if you work more than 10 hours a week... 15...20...etc. Only about a third of the students had a job to begin with, and only 4of us worked more than 20 hours a week. If I can do it, and still get decent grades, there's no reason others can't. In fact, if I wasn't working, I'm not sure what I would have done with all that free time.

I did 20+ a week while I was in school...two 8 hour shifts on sat/sun and would do a 1-2 5 hour shifts in the evening through the week. I paid my way through school AND had money left to spend on what I wanted. It just annoys me that everyone claims broke student status when really it's just poor financial priorities.

[asyed]

If I can do it, and still get decent grades, there's no reason others can't. In fact, if I wasn't working, I'm not sure what I would have done with all that free time.

I somewhat disagree with this as the workload for different programs is different.

The programs that have mostly lectures with only exams in the end are the ones that theres no excuse for.


But for programs like mine where theres alot of hands on work/ assignments, there is no time to work unless you want to sacrifice the quality of your work.

This year especially i have had to pull off many all nighters and long nights, not because i procastinated but because theres simply too much work. Granted my program is just making life hard for us in the begining so deadlines in the actual workforce wont be so stressful.

I have many peers who really struggle to make ends meet when they have an assignment but work is in the way. Some of them even end up frequently calling in sick. Whats more is that even the profs recommend you dont work during the school year.


Besides what good is it working your ass off to pay for a degree if you cant even make ends meet on the academic front resulting in not being allowed to graduate. This is why we have OSAP.

[SomeGuy]

I somewhat disagree with this as the workload for different programs is different.

The programs that have mostly lectures with only exams in the end are the ones that theres no excuse for.


But for programs like mine where theres alot of hands on work/ assignments, there is no time to work unless you want to sacrifice the quality of your work.

This year especially i have had to pull off many all nighters and long nights, not because i procastinated but because theres simply too much work. Granted my program is just making life hard for us in the begining so deadlines in the actual workforce wont be so stressful.

I have many peers who really struggle to make ends meet when they have an assignment but work is in the way. Some of them even end up frequently calling in sick. Whats more is that even the profs recommend you dont work during the school year.


Besides what good is it working your ass off to pay for a degree if you cant even make ends meet on the academic front resulting in not being allowed to graduate. This is why we have OSAP.

Time management...if you spend less time washing your car, you'd have more time to work.

[asyed]

Time management...if you spend less time washing your car, you'd have more time to work.

Contrary to the popular belief. Ive been washing my car much less frequently lately. The one time i do get time is because I have an hour to kill just before heading to class but even thats hard to make time for now a days.

[Default User]

Comes down to the work ethic that parents pass down to their kids. Growing up, we never had a lot of money. I saw my parents agony trying to make ends meet to raise my brothers and me. My dad would work from 5am to 5pm everyday and my mom would take the bus and still walk 20 minutes to her office. Even with both parents working, I qualified for OSAP.

I carried 3 jobs, and 3 girlfriends when I was in college.

1 of those jobs was to cover the costs of having the GFs.

The second job was to cover my car and modifications.

The third job was to give my family money, smokes, drugs, and coffees.

Still did exceptionally well in school. Was able to get hired full time after school was done. And ended up marrying one of those girls.

Nowadays, I see more and more kids in elementary school use wheeled tote bags to get from the car to the class. High school teens getting $1000 tech toys and gadgets. Parents buying kids cars for graduating high school.

I'm all for parents helping their kids, and I understand the "not letting my kids live through hardships" philosophy... But personally, I teach my kids responsibility and "no-pain no-gain".

My daughter just turned 8, but she has had daily chores since she was 6. She's allowed to play video games for an hour after chores, homework, and dinner. But she chooses to play with your 2 year old brother instead. She understands the value of money, and only asks for toys that she wants "if it's not too expensive"

[SirWanker]

So, what does everyone think about the Canadian military attacking ISIS in Iraq? When was the last time we actually launched air strikes?


I'm okay with Canada going in as long as the other United nations chip in too.


I'm okay with it. Hopefully we get to hit some more strategically important targets than the dump trucks that we hit on our first air strike run


Im 50/50 i feel they need to be stopped but at the same time its almost as if we're forced into it by the USA. Maybe if like bisson said, everyone chipped in to stop a threat that really is universal then it wouldn't be such a touchy subject. Not to mention the amount of resources it takes to fly a cf-18 all the way there and back. Inb4 the f35s are more efficient- they aren't.


As long as there is religion and economic inequality, one can expect these issues to continue for a long time no matter how much money you throw at it.

[FD22]

I am getting so fed up with the "Broke Student" excuse. When I was a student I was never completely broke...maybe if kids focused more on working (which I did all the way through school) than partying every night/weekend, having the latest electronic toys, and going to expensive places every year they'd have a bit more money.

I agree with this to a point. It's all in the lifestyle at that stage in your life, but it definitely is a major lack of financial awareness and money-management.


Time management...if you spend less time washing your car, you'd have more time to work.

That's basically what it all comes down to (time management...not washing your car). Even in programs of high workloads or whatever, I still knew people that were able to handle a part-time job or whatever as a source of some money on the side. It's not for everyone, but if you're able to manage your time and efforts properly to not let it negatively affect your school performance, it definitely is possible to work during school. People (I'm totally part of this) are just too lazy these days.

But yea, be wise about how you spend your money and then you don't need to use that typical "broke student" excuse. And if you still wanna waste money on things, go find a side gig to get a source of income to fuel those expenditures.

[Kiewan]

Rant:
I have friends who are 80K in debt after 4 years because they have never had a job, moved out on their own in a dorm/ apt with no income, later fell off of scholarships and maintained a ridiculous standard of living for no income. They all have the latest iPhone and wear nice clothing, party most weekends and buy a lot of nonessentials.

I worked 2 jobs during my 4 years and lived at home. My expenses were very small and I saved enough to buy a car. I paid off 4th year immediately and that was one of the best feelings to be honest. I have graduated uni with no debt, good grades, a car, a GF who holds similar values and an apartment.
They will likely live at home for 5 more years while I will hopefully have a house :P

So yes, they have very poor financial priorities. I too have bought my fair share of nonessentials like mods ect. But I worked OT this past year at school and work to maintain and make those purchases comfortably.
Rant over.

[Reddie1337]

My group of friends had it differently, I have car mechanic friends. All of whom are doing well, they bought houses. The only reason I didn't buy is because the price in Oakville is CRAZY to buy here. I haven't done my schooling yet, but I have been working for years, and flipping cars. I have a good amount of money saved up, a good car that is paid off, and my monthly income allows me to play and enjoy my life. It's a good balance, and it's because I never just threw money away. I am not one to go out and spend all my money on drinks at a bar. I used to go play pool all the time, but went to the cheap places so that my nights cost like 20 bucks, instead of 100. It's all in the lifestyle choices.

[DumpInfo]

I can't keep up with the threads going on here anymore....anyways posted the same comment over at loki's thread but I'll repost it here.

Recently bought a 4k tv and want to see it's full potential by downloading highres music videos. We have hd channels but want to customize it to music everyone will enjoy when having company over. What kind of wording should I use when searching for it online?

[Default User]

"booty clap"

[DumpInfo]

"booty clap"

haha that will go well with the guys but the ladies not so much :D

[Default User]

I usually play concerts depending on the crowd - Black Eye peas, Tupac Live at House of Blues, Up in Smoke Tour, Wings over America, etc

[DumpInfo]

I usually play concerts depending on the crowd - Black Eye peas, Tupac Live at House of Blues, Up in Smoke Tour, Wings over America, etc

Yeah, may add to the collection and see what else I can add to the mix

[The Wolf]

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Every Time I Die - Sh*t Happens DVD

[midnightfxgt]

I am getting so fed up with the "Broke Student" excuse. When I was a student I was never completely broke...maybe if kids focused more on working (which I did all the way through school) than partying every night/weekend, having the latest electronic toys, and going to expensive places every year they'd have a bit more money.

Drives me crazy.... People are so terrible at managing money, it makes me cringe. I had a couple friend's have car issues... old car, needed repairs. This justified buying a brand new Veloster Turbo and Genesis Coupe. I know the coupe costs him almost $500/month. They are buying these over 7-8yrs... ugh.

This weekend he tells me in 2-3yrs he plans on trading it in on a Sante Fe, because they want to start a family. I don't think he knows what being upside down on a car is. All this to "save money", so they can buy a house..... yikes.

-John

[SomeGuy]

LMAO that's just brutal...some people are so short sighted.

[SomeGuy]

Wow it sure is quiet in here today...did everyone get snowed in or something?

[Noobster12]

Sucks outside.. apparently it's snowing till tomorrow morning. I don't know about Kitchener area..

[jaimie08mazda3]

I'm not looking forward to the drive home. Its still coming down good in Burlington and I don't believe when I get off work the roads are going to be fully cleared and traffic free.

[asyed]

Im so glad the only places i have to go today are only in a 3 km radius of my house.





Im not so glad that I still have yet to shovel the driveway.... and its still snowing.


better get on that...

[Aitch]

The irony of SomeGuy asking in this thread why there is no activity on the board.....

[asyed]

There's a good 20 cm on the ground....and my snow blower won't start.... This is going to be a long day

[Noobster12]

There's a good 20 cm on the ground....and my snow blower won't start.... This is going to be a long day

lol good luck!

[SomeGuy]

The irony of SomeGuy asking in this thread why there is no activity on the board.....

Well I needed to post it somewhere. It's a big boy discussion about the lack of activity on the board ;)

[asyed]

the roads in my hood are terrible.... im not even low and I got stuck on this one corner ..... 2x in a row...


both times these two wonderful women came to my rescue.... and the 2nd time the whole street came to help.... gotta love that Canadian spirit.


that said I sure did spin my tires alot less than most people.... why do people feel the need to go so hard on the gas in the snow...

[6strings]

So is this like the Friday thread but on regular days?

[SomeGuy]

So is this like the Friday thread but on regular days?

NO!

This is a discussion thread about mature topics and not derping ass bs. Read the first post.

Also, KW didn't get a hint of snow...the system skirted the edge of us, we probably got 5mm at most.

[loki]

The irony of SomeGuy asking in this thread why there is no activity on the board.....

which just invites spam posts, which I thought was not the point of this thread

[Jackal]

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[6strings]

Can I start a thread called "6strings board of guitars and musical companionship?" loki

[Aitch]

the roads in my hood are terrible.... im not even low and I got stuck on this one corner ..... 2x in a row...


both times these two wonderful women came to my rescue.... and the 2nd time the whole street came to help.... gotta love that Canadian spirit.


that said I sure did spin my tires alot less than most people.... why do people feel the need to go so hard on the gas in the snow...
4x4 mode and you still had to be rescued by women? LOL [emoji14]

[loki]

Can I start a thread called "6strings board of guitars and musical companionship?" loki

yes

[fruitloops]

What is snow

[asyed]

4x4 mode and you still had to be rescued by women? LOL [emoji14]



in my defense I was trying my best not to spin my tires too much in that corner ( and was super gentle on the throttle) but i came in too slow (10-15 kph) , there was a bit more snow on that corner for some reason and friction pretty much caused me to come to a stop... then when i tried to pull away there was too much snow.

[Aitch]

in my defense I was trying my best not to spin my tires too much in that corner ( and was super gentle on the throttle) but i came in too slow (10-15 kph) , there was a bit more snow on that corner for some reason and friction pretty much caused me to come to a stop... then when i tried to pull away there was too much snow.
My car was parked all day on a side street and blocked in with drifts from snow plows. Still got out with only a bit of back and forth. [/shameless bragging]

[6strings]

How bad was the snow for you guys?
In Cambridge/milton it wasn't all that bad.

[SomeGuy]

I've yet to ever get one of my mazda's stuck...you just need to learn how to drive and not waste time with "moar low".

[FD22]

I've yet to ever get one of my mazda's stuck...you just need to learn how to drive and not waste time with "moar low".
Even with "moar low" as long as you know your shit, you can still avoid being stuck.

[soccerboy1491]

How bad was the snow for you guys?
In Cambridge/milton it wasn't all that bad.

Brampton got 23 cm

[Kiewan]

I've yet to ever get one of my mazda's stuck...you just need to learn how to drive and not waste time with "moar low".

Winter driving is definitely easier with a stick shift car. Even though the snow was deep on the North York side streets near my parents house yesterday: as long as I'd keep it in 2nd and give it s***, I'd keep moving.

Down shifting is also so nice in iffy conditions. Only problem is that I am not using the brake lights to do so: the moron behind me does not understand that I am slowing down and gets far too close for the conditions.

[m_bisson]

Winter driving is definitely easier with a stick shift car. Even though the snow was deep on the North York side streets near my parents house yesterday: as long as I'd keep it in 2nd and give it s***, I'd keep moving.

Down shifting is also so nice in iffy conditions. Only problem is that I am not using the brake lights to do so: the moron behind me does not understand that I am slowing down and gets far too close for the conditions.

Wrong. Of you're using the transmission/engine to slow down you're actually making things worse.

You have a front wheel drive car, so you're only using the traction of two tires. The brakes use the traction of all four tires to help slow you down.
You're a lot more likely to lose traction the way you're driving as opposed to just using the brakes.

Best way to do it: clutch in, so as to remove and torque from the engine, and then do your braking/steering.

[6strings]

use both

[m_bisson]

use both

Nope.

The brake pedal will lock up all 4 wheels even on a hot summer's day. There's more than enough stopping power there already; no need to add more.

The key is weight distribution and managing available traction.

Let's say you accelerate or brake in a straight line: 100 percent of the available traction/friction is being used to move the car forwards or stop it. As soon as you add steering into the mix, you're sharing the available traction between two different tasks: 50 percent for steering, 50 percent for braking/acceleration. That means that your car is only going to brake half as well as is possible, and you can only turn a corner safely at a much lower speed than if you were to finish your braking before you even turn the wheel.

Add in engine resistance to the front two wheels, and you're losing out on effective braking. In order to prevent the front wheels from locking up, due to the increased resistance from your downshift, you need to ease up on the brake pedal, which means that your rear tires aren't doing as much as they can to stop you.
Keep in mind, your front tires have a finite amount of available traction/friction. As stated before, this grip can easily be overcome with the brake pedal alone, even on a hot day with sticky tires.

Use your brakes for braking. Unless you're descending from the top of a mountain, you really shouldn't ever use your engine to slow your car down.

[SomeGuy]

Nope.

The brake pedal will lock up all 4 wheels even on a hot summer's day. There's more than enough stopping power there already; no need to add more.

The key is weight distribution and managing available traction.

Let's say you accelerate or brake in a straight line: 100 percent of the available traction/friction is being used to move the car forwards or stop it. As soon as you add steering into the mix, you're sharing the available traction between two different tasks: 50 percent for steering, 50 percent for braking/acceleration. That means that your car is only going to brake half as well as is possible, and you can only turn a corner safely at a much lower speed than if you were to finish your braking before you even turn the wheel.

Add in engine resistance to the front two wheels, and you're losing out on effective braking. In order to prevent the front wheels from locking up, due to the increased resistance from your downshift, you need to ease up on the brake pedal, which means that your rear tires aren't doing as much as they can to stop you.
Keep in mind, your front tires have a finite amount of available traction/friction. As stated before, this grip can easily be overcome with the brake pedal alone, even on a hot day with sticky tires.

Use your brakes for braking. Unless you're descending from the top of a mountain, you really shouldn't ever use your engine to slow your car down.

Slowing down with the engine is fine, he's not talking about down shifting to 2nd at 70km/h...he's talking about using engine braking to help maintain a good speed in poor conditions so the use of brakes isn't necessary. As we all know, people see brake lights and everyone slams em' on. If he down shifts to slow down enough to lock up the front wheels or prevent steering there are other problems.

I take it you don't drive a manual?

[asyed]

In the end its alot cheaper to get new brakes vs getting a new transmission or engine.....


Engine braking is never a good idea for your car. If you must downshift while moving you better be rev matching or not downshift at all.





Best way ive found is that if you are feeling even a bit of understeer, let go of the brake pedal and use the e brake(but dont yank it all the way up, briefly hold it between 1/4-1/2 position before the first click) ... the rear end will kick out and will save you. This method can also be used for sharper cornering when theres more snow on the ground... I wouldnt recommend doing this at high speeds though ( not that you should be taking corners at high speeds in this weather anyways) as too much ebrake and your understeer will become oversteer.

[Aitch]

Use your brakes for braking. Unless you're descending from the top of a mountain, you really shouldn't ever use your engine to slow your car down.

Use your brakes for braking, in poor conditions where traction and control matter.

Under normal driving conditions, there is nothing wrong with using engine braking instead of the brakes to gradually slow the car.

[6strings]

all a bunch of ATX drivers on here.

[coppermica]

[QUOTE=


Engine braking is never a good idea for your car. If you must downshift while moving you better be rev matching or not downshift at all.[/QUOTE]

or just learn how to double clutch

[Scottobot]

or just learn how to double clutch

I'll stick to granny shifting.

[greyseason]

In the end its alot cheaper to get new brakes vs getting a new transmission or engine.....


Engine braking is never a good idea for your car. If you must downshift while moving you better be rev matching or not downshift at all.





Best way ive found is that if you are feeling even a bit of understeer, let go of the brake pedal and use the e brake(but dont yank it all the way up, briefly hold it between 1/4-1/2 position before the first click) ... the rear end will kick out and will save you. This method can also be used for sharper cornering when theres more snow on the ground... I wouldnt recommend doing this at high speeds though ( not that you should be taking corners at high speeds in this weather anyways) as too much ebrake and your understeer will become oversteer.

Dude, you drive an automatic...

How would thy know?

[Aitch]

In the end its alot cheaper to get new brakes vs getting a new transmission or engine.....


Engine braking is never a good idea for your car.


Engine braking is no big deal. On my 4 manual cars I did it all the time, never wore out the clutch - because I rev matched properly. Why do you think truckers do it all the time?

[coppermica]

lol that's not going to make Dom and the Mad scientist very happy when they have to rip apart your car!

[SomeGuy]

In the end its alot cheaper to get new brakes vs getting a new transmission or engine.....


Engine braking is never a good idea for your car. If you must downshift while moving you better be rev matching or not downshift at all.





Best way ive found is that if you are feeling even a bit of understeer, let go of the brake pedal and use the e brake(but dont yank it all the way up, briefly hold it between 1/4-1/2 position before the first click) ... the rear end will kick out and will save you. This method can also be used for sharper cornering when theres more snow on the ground... I wouldnt recommend doing this at high speeds though ( not that you should be taking corners at high speeds in this weather anyways) as too much ebrake and your understeer will become oversteer.

LoL shush...engine braking doesn't hurt anything. Downshifting is good anyway, you want to be in the right gear to accelerate again if necessary. Quick cheat sheet on manual driving test:

http://www.proshift.ca/popups/road_test_guidelines.html

You must downshift!

Also, using the ebrake for understeer is utterly stupid...lol just gtfo now. The right solution is judge the conditions and go into the corner at an appropriate speed.

Anyone here who doesn't daily a manual can gtfo, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Flagrum_3]

LoL shush...engine braking doesn't hurt anything. Downshifting is good anyway, you want to be in the right gear to accelerate again if necessary. Quick cheat sheet on manual driving test:

http://www.proshift.ca/popups/road_test_guidelines.html

You must downshift!

Also, using the ebrake for understeer is utterly stupid...lol just gtfo now. The right solution is judge the conditions and go into the corner at an appropriate speed.

Anyone here who doesn't daily a manual can gtfo, you don't know what you're talking about.

Engine braking/downshifting can be harmful to your transmission, clutch and/or engine IF NOT DONE CORRECTLY...it's a little naïve to think otherwise. One must learn proper rev matching techniques i.e. revs to speed, clutch control etc., otherwise damage is sure to occur.

I also agree with the guy on that guideline, there are a couple of ridiculous expectations in there...Keep the clutch down and in gear at a light? Downshift thru every gear? ridiculous imho. LOL

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[m_bisson]

LoL shush...engine braking doesn't hurt anything. Downshifting is good anyway, you want to be in the right gear to accelerate again if necessary. Quick cheat sheet on manual driving test:

http://www.proshift.ca/popups/road_test_guidelines.html

You must downshift!

Also, using the ebrake for understeer is utterly stupid...lol just gtfo now. The right solution is judge the conditions and go into the corner at an appropriate speed.

Anyone here who doesn't daily a manual can gtfo, you don't know what you're talking about.

Daily driving stick doesn't mean jack shit. How many times have you been in the car with someone who "knows" how to drive stick, and they're making a ****ing mess of it?

Anyways, no, I don't currently have a stick shift. I did, however, drive stick for the last 8 years on both my Mazdas.

[m_bisson]

Best way ive found is that if you are feeling even a bit of understeer, let go of the brake pedal and use the e brake(but dont yank it all the way up, briefly hold it between 1/4-1/2 position before the first click) ... the rear end will kick out and will save you. This method can also be used for sharper cornering when theres more snow on the ground... I wouldnt recommend doing this at high speeds though ( not that you should be taking corners at high speeds in this weather anyways) as too much ebrake and your understeer will become oversteer.

This is the dumbest thing you've ever said. I don't think this post should be allowed to remain on these forums, in case some idiot tries to do this. Mods?

[Kiewan]

I assumed that Rev matching would be assumed when I mentioned downshifting (so many assumptions which I should no longer assume). I'll explain how I use it a little more.

I only downshift if I match the revs. Last night I kept a safe following distance so I could (gradually) slow down by going. From 3 > 2 at a slower speed.

I find that it is more stable when gradually decelerating on (brown sugar) snow. That's just me. I'm OK if I'm wrong.

I also found that there is also a bigger problem and stopped doing it after a while. Its the ATX yahoos crawling up my a** when I was not using my break lights (had my night lights on).

I don't understand how people can drive like that, thinking that you're not breaking unless they see a flashing red light.

Ex. The same thing happens when you are first at a stop light. Take your foot off the break but don't immediately lurch forward like an ATX car and most of the time you have someone getting closer and closer during that very slight hesitation. I have been rear ended (scratch covered by a sticker) because a range rover who was already very close touched the gas before I had ever moved.

[Kiewan]

This is the dumbest thing you've ever said. I don't think this post should be allowed to remain on these forums, in case some idiot tries to do this. Mods?

He will pull too hard one day and snap the cable or is finger may slip off the button and lock it in place. :(

[asyed]

This is the dumbest thing you've ever said. I don't think this post should be allowed to remain on these forums, in case some idiot tries to do this. Mods?
You obviously didn't read my post properly..


I never said to yank on it... Ii only said to give it a bit of hand brake.

Its basically converting your understeer into a bit of oversteer... Try it in an empty parking lot if you still don't grasp it...

[loki]

what's rev matching?

Don't think I've ever done that in my life

[geobur]

You obviously didn't read my post properly..


I never said to yank on it... Ii only said to give it a bit of hand brake.

Its basically converting your understeer into a bit of oversteer... Try it in an empty parking lot if you still don't grasp it...

LOL snow drifting isn't what I would advise people to learn if they are already having difficulties with judging conditions and having difficulty adjusting their driving for them. Yes it is a handy way (hand brake see what I did there ;) ) to regain control in the rare time you lose it. Or to take a corner you are maybe going to fast for...but someone who is a smart driver/experienced/responsible should be accounting for the driving conditions and driving appropriately, there is no reason under normal driving conditions (ie no one cutting you off, animals jumping into road, earthquake collapsing road in front of you) to lose control of your vehicle. Thus not needing to worry about using your hand brake. People should still know how to use their hand brake in an emergency but...Someone who already doesn't know how to handle their vehicle should not be using that as their be all and end all winter driving peace of mind tool.

[tweak_s]

You obviously didn't read my post properly..


I never said to yank on it... Ii only said to give it a bit of hand brake.

Its basically converting your understeer into a bit of oversteer... Try it in an empty parking lot if you still don't grasp it...

Still not a good idea. The ebrake was never really meant for that purpose for one, but also last thing you should be doing on a public road when issues happen is to add more variables to it. Cars are designed to understeer from factory for a reason, its easier to correct. Slowing down (re: NOT braking hard..) and reducing your steering will normally correct it.

Of course, proper driving for road conditions would solve the problem at the core and help prevent this from even occurring.


And I'm not saying don't have fun safely, and perhaps this "ebrake technique" will be good in those "have fun in the snow" situations but IMHO doesn't belong on a public road if we're talking driving safely.

[SomeGuy]

You obviously didn't read my post properly..


I never said to yank on it... Ii only said to give it a bit of hand brake.

Its basically converting your understeer into a bit of oversteer... Try it in an empty parking lot if you still don't grasp it...

So instead of just lacking traction at the front of the vehicle, you think purposely losing control of the rear of the vehicle is a good idea? If you couldn't judge your entry speed into the corner correctly such that you understeer, pulling the ebrake to cause all 4 wheels to lose traction and you to spin isn't going to help. You might think it will make young girls drop their panties, but it won't.

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