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NASTY
12-04-2004, 03:22 AM
Heres a question sent in to the toronto stars \'tire talk\' section, and the guys response.


\"Q I used to own a 1999 Acura 3.2 TL, on which I had a set of 16-inch Michelin Pilot Alpine Snow tires.

Now I own a 2004 Mazda 3 GT Sport, which comes with 17-inch tires.

I called Michelin and was told the tires will fit the Mazda; the only concern was the tire rubbing against the wheel well.

I tried the tires and they fit well, except for a small gap between the centre of the rim and the hub.

I\'ve been told by some mechanics that as long as the bolt pattern on the rim fits perfectly, the rim will centre itself on the hub.

But others tell me the gap is no good and that I can warp the hub.

My Mazda3 is only four months old, with 12,000 km on it. I don\'t want to ruin the car. What do you think?


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Sanjeet Kainth, Toronto


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A Using your old wheels on the new car is a very bad idea.

The wheel on the car is supposed to be hub centric, which means centred on the hub.

The wheel studs\' job is to hold the wheel on the car, not to centre the wheel. That\'s why wheels are specific to certain cars.

There is too much tolerance space on the wheel studs to think they will centre the wheel under tension.

And even if they do, the constant bumping of potholes will most certainly cause a shift of the wheel and potentially work the nuts loose, plus cause vibration.

Buy a set of the correct wheels and save yourself a lot of grief.

You can buy centring rings, which fill the gap between the wheel and hub, from tire dealers that sell generic aftermarket wheels.

But these rings are unique to the aftermarket wheel companies. The likelihood of finding a set that matches your exact needs are small. You would probably have to get a set custom machined.

The only tire shop I know of that has its own machine shop is Tiremag (905-738-0710) in Concord. In the end, this may not be worth the expense.\"


So anyway, this got me a little paranoid, and now id like to get some centring rings. If anyone here bought the generic steelies and found centring rings, please post where you found them. Otherwise, if some people are interested i could give that shop a call and have a few sets custom machined...shouldnt be too expensive if there are enough interested (and i know alot of you bought from tires23). Post if interested (or if you know where to buy appropriate rings).

mEtH
12-04-2004, 05:47 AM
Is this a thread about Hub-cap spinners? :p


J/K, on a real note that is interesting information and I mean for the cost of what it will cost you have nothing to lose. I personally believe if tightened in the right patter to keep it flush you should be ok. But it is a great precaution and don\'t see how you could lose by doing it.

Sorry not all that informative. Lets talk about hub-cap spinners instead! :sarc

MajesticBlueNTO
12-04-2004, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by NASTY

So anyway, this got me a little paranoid, and now id like to get some centring rings. If anyone here bought the generic steelies and found centring rings, please post where you found them. Otherwise, if some people are interested i could give that shop a call and have a few sets custom machined...shouldnt be too expensive if there are enough interested (and i know alot of you bought from tires23). Post if interested (or if you know where to buy appropriate rings).

i will bet money that the guy who responded is one who has been in the tire shop business long enough that he is repeating what he has \"heard\".

there is NO WAY a plastic hubcentric ring, or even a machined alumninium one, is designed to carry any significant load on it.

until I see a force-body diagram describing the force vectors at the wheel/hub interface, and any benefits from a hubcentric ring (aside from centering the wheel on installation), i am going to continue to not worry about it.

MZ3_GS
12-06-2004, 02:36 AM
From my memory I think the TL had 215 60 16 size tires for stock. These shouldn\'t rub on your 3.

Do you believe that the hub is designed to carry the weight of the vechicle? If you do you should get HubCentric Wheels, because if not then there is no contact between the wheel and the hub, how does the load get transferred to the hub?

FYI: If you\'re wheel has a universal hub (which i think is 73mm) you can buy rings for the application. If it is an acura wheel there is no way to fit it so the wheel will sit hubcentric on the car. (I lied, there is a way but u might as well get new steelies then.)

Guess
12-08-2004, 02:09 PM
Guys, the TL is hubcentric, our car isnt. hubcentric wheels are generally for VW, AUDIS and any cars that use a bolt type wheel setup as opposed to a lug type. Luggged cars are not HUBCENTRIC.

Check the stock wheels, they leave a gab between the hub and the wheel, therefore their not hubcentric. Plus, most hubcentric rings are really thin metal or plastic (I know as my brother has them on his 19\'s on his Jetta)

ahhh
09-07-2005, 03:41 AM
Originally posted by Guess


Guys, the TL is hubcentric, our car isnt. hubcentric wheels are generally for VW, AUDIS and any cars that use a bolt type wheel setup as opposed to a lug type. Luggged cars are not HUBCENTRIC.

Check the stock wheels, they leave a gab between the hub and the wheel, therefore their not hubcentric. Plus, most hubcentric rings are really thin metal or plastic (I know as my brother has them on his 19\'s on his Jetta)

All OE wheels are hubcentric !

CelestSpeed3
09-07-2005, 07:36 PM
The hub-centric ring is used to allow the wheel tp be perfectly centered on the hub, hence the name. The only issue you may have by not using one, is a little vibration, or your car wanting to go to the left or right slightly because they are not balanced anymore.

I have this problem when I put on my 15 steel wheels for winter because they are not hub-centric I am using the bolts as a giude to center the wheel, which will never be perfect. Because they are not perfectly centered my car tends to pull to the right, only if I let go of the wheel is it noticable, then again when do you ever let go of the wheel.

It\'s entirely up to you whether you want to use them or not. They are not a must but don\'t be surprised in you get a little more vibration, or your car pulls ever so slightly.

firstmazda
11-30-2011, 07:50 PM
Bringing this back to life....

So am I getting this right? The general consensus is that hub rings are not ENTIRELY necessary?

My situation:
i want to put my 16" steelies from my 3 onto my 05TSX. (You've probably seen my other posts asking about this)
TSX hub = 64.1mm Mazda3 = 67.1mm

I called Performance Improvements :blush
to ask how much they were and the sales guy said that I can't use hub rings on steelies 'cause "There's no notch for them"
He also said it shouldn't be a problem to drive without hub rings.


So is it safe for me to drive all winter with them on?
I do a lot of driving (normal city/hwy driving) and my family is in the car with me so I don't want to have a huge risk involved.
If it's something as simple as slight vibration or pulling, i'm not too concerned.


your thoughts please :)

midnightfxgt
12-02-2011, 08:43 AM
Your fine.

Hub rungs are not used for steel wheels, he is right. Using a 67.1bore wheel on your TSX is fine. Many places such as: Active Green and Ross, Canadian Tire, and Walmart use "Universal Fit" Steelies with an even bigger bore.

Hubcentric is preferred. Take your time putting them on, and always use the star pattern to tighten.

-John

firstmazda
12-02-2011, 06:33 PM
Your fine.

Hub rungs are not used for steel wheels, he is right. Using a 67.1bore wheel on your TSX is fine. Many places such as: Active Green and Ross, Canadian Tire, and Walmart use "Universal Fit" Steelies with an even bigger bore.

Hubcentric is preferred. Take your time putting them on, and always use the star pattern to tighten.

-John

Thanks John!