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cwp_sedan
See normally I would delete this and the rest since it has absolutely NOTHING to do with "random MS3 chatter", but then I would be an anal mod by over cleaning yet another thread.
I'm not saying that you are wrong since there was a lot of language and tone that was unnecessary in the thread you linked to, but you are trying to connect a problem with a member who was problematic to someone who lashed out. These incidents are completely different even though both should be addressed.
If you think there is a problem with the way things are being handled on TM3, please submit a complaint. You have been here long enough to see what goes on and how things are dealt with. In most cases we are fair. If things get out of hand it's typically NOT because of an oversized ego of a mod. We (the mod team) may not always be right or handle a situation perfectly, but all we can do is try to do our best.
Instead of cluttering multiple threads with this attempt to show how a mod is wrong, report it. Or perhaps create another thread for discussion.
I'm glad you have opened this up for discussion Ryan...good job!
In fact, I think this discussion is pertinent to the MS3 sections and indeed in the appropriate thread.
Personally, I believe that just like the MOD team isn't out to "get" anyone, neither are the members disagreeing with the MOD team on purpose. I think what was witnessed in the MS3 section with regards to Tokay444 and other noobs is a manifestation of other ongoing issues...to name one person or a group is too narrow a scope.
Let me raise a few of those issues.
A few older guys I have met offline have told me that they felt TM3 was infested by "a bunch of punks". I laughed it off as them being older but they told me that they were basically encouraged to GTFO by the MOD team (not singling anyone out on the team)...one example is a member called KeithB.
So now, we have Tokay444...an obviously older, technical guy with very little patience for BS. Just like MBNTO says, I'm not sticking up for him, but let's look at the other side of the issue...each and everyday, we try to disseminate truths and helpful advise on these very walls...the last thing we need is a technical thread, where half of it is spent explaining to someone that we don't drive the same car, and why it's different. Just like everyday advise about life, you gotta back up what you say, and if you can't do that with personal experience, you're just creating more noise and taking time and evergy away from the cause: helping others.
Yet those individuals that take time and energy away from the very work that we do are applauded and patted on their backs for all the "funny" disruptions that they consistently deliver...am I missing something here?
TM3 has blossomed nicely, and I'm happy that its members get along not just from the technical information shared, but also the comaraderie and frienships formed on and off line. However, it just seems lately, that focus is turning TM3 into some sort of popularity club and those who don't fit the mould...can GTFO?
Should we all be know-it-all 20-yr olds posting T&A pics, and high-fiving each other in the sightings thread and the Friday thread, while basically trolling and posting, "Hey my buddy drives a 400whp turbo'd Civic...maybe you should go get V-tak'd instead..." in the MS3 section...and most likely in a suspension thread...lol...
Or "Hey, why don't you MS3's get this or that intake...it doesn't matter if it makes power, it makes my car sound so cool..."...then cry when they get back-handed.
My suggestion: colour code or auto-tag threads started in the MS3 section. Like any forum, anyone can comment and share their opinion, at your own peril.
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Couple quick comments on Fobio's post. What has not been posted publicly is Tokay44's pm's back and forth with two separate moderators. The first issue was his thread about creating products FS. This was effectively him trying to gauge interest. A moderator correctly pointed out to him, that should he proceed down this path, he would need to become a sponsor. The plan was to leave his post/thread and allow him to gauge interest prior to asking him to spend the money on sponsorship. However, he responded in a very rude and sarcastic manner to the moderator by saying "Look out. Here come the fuzz". The moderator then pm'd him with some clarification, and again was met with a hostile and rude response. His constant theme was the moderators and members of TM3 had to earn his respect. Unfortunately, it does not work that way. We expect all members to be respectful of other members, and moderators. If a member has been on the forum for a longer period of time, we try and cut some slack where possible.
At that point we shut down his thread.
He then created another post, saying he had not broken any rules, and insulting the moderator again, despite being previously warned that day to please be a little more respectful. As well, he had already served a 7 day ban for similar behaviour. In fact he had broken several rules.
On top of everything else he essentially threatened a different moderator saying "see you at the next meet buddy". He was clearly trying to intimidate the moderator with that message.
Thus, it was not just one or two incidents that lead to Tokay44 being permanently banned, it was a repeated pattern of behaviour, and repeated and ongoing rules violations.
As for the idea of "colour code or auto-tag threads started in the MS3 section. Like any forum, anyone can comment and share their opinion, at your own peril." . I am very much against that. Members who have Speed3's shoudl not be subjected to a different set of rules, simply because of the cars they drive. Torontomazda3 is founded on members helping other members, sharing knowledge learned, and a common interest. If we allow the MS3 section to become a post at your own risk section, that would be a very intimidating entrance for new members to this forum.
That would ultimately lead to a negative perception of the TM3/MS3 community, and thus TM3 as a whole.
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S.F.W.
As for the idea of "colour code or auto-tag threads started in the MS3 section. Like any forum, anyone can comment and share their opinion, at your own peril." . I am very much against that. Members who have Speed3's shoudl not be subjected to a different set of rules, simply because of the cars they drive. Torontomazda3 is founded on members helping other members, sharing knowledge learned, and a common interest. If we allow the MS3 section to become a post at your own risk section, that would be a very intimidating entrance for new members to this forum.
That would ultimately lead to a negative perception of the TM3/MS3 community, and thus TM3 as a whole.
I don't see how "road signs" that help the noobs steer away from the deep end is a bad thing...they do it at the local pool! Most of them in condo's also tell you that no lifeguards are present...watch your kids.
So from what you're saying, to protect the noobs, let's keep the life guards around the deep end?
I don't think this is a matter of MS3 vs the world...as this issue has been framed from time and memorial on TM3. I'm suggesting methods to keep the life guards looking good while keeping their work load minimized and prioritized evenly across TM3, as opposed to fueling the need to excessively moderate MS3 sections for the sake of the noobs but not for the sake of the guy who's in here to share and get at direct, uncoloured technical info?
With respect to Tokay444, I was not aware that he was making personal threats at the mods. Personally speaking, I can see where he rubs ppl the wrong way, such as some of his posts on MSF.org, and posting on TM3 as if he's on MSF.org. Obviously,we're not social workers, but in the future, there may also be opportunities to help "reform" some of these guys, who otherwise, can add tremendous value to forum. In that sense, the comaraderie and friendship that we can provide to these individuals may be greater than any technical advise we can share with them.
In the meantime, life goes on until the next anomaly comes along...
EDIT: The colour code thing...has much wider implication than the MS3's...as the GEN2 proliferate, with inevitability of another Gen coming, this may also be a good way to organize TM3 as technical and appearance info begin to branch away from a common model.
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Fobio,
Regardless of his actual profession, where exactly are you deriving this notion that Tokay444 was a 'techie' and had a wealth of great info and "tremendous value" to contribute to the TM3 community and the MS3 forum specifically?
First, he had zero interest in this community, or any respect for any of the people in it, including the mod team. He demonstrated this time and time again and even said it directly, despite several warnings.
Second, he essentially post whored the MS3 threads with one sentence nonsense adding little in the way of any value. If it went beyond one or two sentences, it was mainly to disagree with other members and beat them over the head as to why his opinion was correct and superior and to belittle anyone who heaven forbid, would disagree with him.
I encourage you to go to his member profile and read every single one of his posts on this site and tell me if he was contributing in any way shape or form to the betterment of TM3 or the MS3.
I'm sorry, but as Ami already pointed out, there was a lot of PM and non-posted dialogue that happened as well. End result is the guy was a complete douchebag and we don't need him on this site, end of story.
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S.F.W.
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On top of everything else he essentially threatened a different moderator saying "see you at the next meet buddy". He was clearly trying to intimidate the moderator with that message.
Thus, it was not just one or two incidents that lead to Tokay44 being permanently banned, it was a repeated pattern of behaviour, and repeated and ongoing rules violations.
tokay hung himself then.
however, after what transpired in that case, to have another moderator respond in a disrespectful manner to a member is hypocritical to the rules the mod team are trying to uphold.
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Originally Posted by
S.F.W.
As for the idea of "colour code or auto-tag threads started in the MS3 section. Like any forum, anyone can comment and share their opinion, at your own peril." . I am very much against that. Members who have Speed3's shoudl not be subjected to a different set of rules, simply because of the cars they drive. Torontomazda3 is founded on members helping other members, sharing knowledge learned, and a common interest. If we allow the MS3 section to become a post at your own risk section, that would be a very intimidating entrance for new members to this forum.
That would ultimately lead to a negative perception of the TM3/MS3 community, and thus TM3 as a whole.
Fobio was referring to threads like this where Mazdy may have been trying to be helpful but posted in the wrong section.
There have been other times where others (non-MS3 owners) have posted a pointless response to a technical question in a MS3-specific thread, only to state that they didn't know it was a MS3-specific question because they only view the "New Posts" and don't pay attention to what section that new post is in...if they can't read, then maybe colours would help them differentiate the section
there is nothing wrong with non-MS3 owners posting in the MS3 section; however, when the thread is asking a specific technical question, the non-MS3 owner should not post gibberish just to increase their post count to achieve some sort of relevance.
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MajesticBlueNTO
there is nothing wrong with non-MS3 owners posting in the MS3 section; however, when the thread is asking a specific technical question, the non-MS3 owner should not post gibberish just to increase their post count to achieve some sort of relevance.
This I agree is a challenge/problem. The mod team is in the beginning stages of a composition change. Once we have a few changes over the next few weeks, there are a few areas we will be focusing on more regularly. One being members generally posting off topic comments in technical threads. This occurs in both the MS3 section, and regular 3 sections.
In the interim, I will do my best to personally keep an eye on MS3 technical threads to keep them clean. If I do miss something, or you feel something should be addressed/cleaned up, feel free to pm me or any other mod you see online.
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Fobio
I Obviously,we're not social workers, but in the future, there may also be opportunities to help "reform" some of these guys, who otherwise, can add tremendous value to forum. In that sense, the comaraderie and friendship that we can provide to these individuals may be greater than any technical advise we can share with them.
In terms of reforming members, this is always a possibility. There have been occasions were banned individuals were contrite, and apologetic, and sent an email to the webmaster account. In those situations, the moderators have discussed, and usually brought the members back with another chance.
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Zoom Zoom Boy
Fobio,
Regardless of his actual profession, where exactly are you deriving this notion that Tokay444 was a 'techie' and had a wealth of great info and "tremendous value" to contribute to the TM3 community and the MS3 forum specifically?
First, he had zero interest in this community, or any respect for any of the people in it, including the mod team. He demonstrated this time and time again and even said it directly, despite several warnings.
Second, he essentially post whored the MS3 threads with one sentence nonsense adding little in the way of any value. If it went beyond one or two sentences, it was mainly to disagree with other members and beat them over the head as to why his opinion was correct and superior and to belittle anyone who heaven forbid, would disagree with him.
I encourage you to go to his member profile and read every single one of his posts on this site and tell me if he was contributing in any way shape or form to the betterment of TM3 or the MS3.
I'm sorry, but as Ami already pointed out, there was a lot of PM and non-posted dialogue that happened as well. End result is the guy was a complete douchebag and we don't need him on this site, end of story.
ZZB...may I call you Tim like the rest of TM3 does... like they've met you in real life?...lol...
He, that shall no longer be named, like I said, was just the catalyst that brought to light some on-going issues. (You know Tokay444 isn't me right?) I'm not defending his actions. He did not engage the board respectfully and when cautioned turned it up a notch to the powers that be. I get that.
My point is that having established ourselves as the current fastest production Mazda, it is inevitable you'll have some egos in this forum, like any others. To put it bluntly, Tokay444 was posting like he was posting to THE INTERNET, as if we're all robots. He might not have resorted to all the "respect" stuff if he was engaged initially like a person..."Hey man, how's it going..."
But let us move on...this isn't about HIM.
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S.F.W.
This I agree is a challenge/problem. The mod team is in the beginning stages of a composition change. Once we have a few changes over the next few weeks, there are a few areas we will be focusing on more regularly. One being members generally posting off topic comments in technical threads. This occurs in both the MS3 section, and regular 3 sections.
In the interim, I will do my best to personally keep an eye on MS3 technical threads to keep them clean. If I do miss something, or you feel something should be addressed/cleaned up, feel free to pm me or any other mod you see online.
...and most who believe that the MOD team are the best of us, may also take the actions and the words of MOD with more weight...something to think about now for noob mods, with more power comes more responsibilities...and we'll be more than happy to self-police, if you guys need the help!
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Fobio
ZZB...may I call you Tim like the rest of TM3 does... like they've met you in real life?...lol...
He, that shall no longer be named, like I said, was just the catalyst that brought to light some on-going issues. (You know Tokay444 isn't me right?) I'm not defending his actions. He did not engage the board respectfully and when cautioned turned it up a notch to the powers that be. I get that.
My point is that having established ourselves as the current fastest production Mazda, it is inevitable you'll have some egos in this forum, like any others. To put it bluntly, Tokay444 was posting like he was posting to THE INTERNET, as if we're all robots. He might not have resorted to all the "respect" stuff if he was engaged initially like a person..."Hey man, how's it going..."
But let us move on...this isn't about HIM.
...and most who believe that the MOD team are the best of us, may also take the actions and the words of MOD with more weight...something to think about now for noob mods, with more power comes more responsibilities...and we'll be more than happy to self-police, if you guys need the help!
Fair enough Vince. I'll drop it regarding Tokay. Just not a fan of him being used as a lightning rod for other issues.
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Not to change the subject, but I was meaning to post this earlier... Anyone with 2010 MS3 stock wheels should definitely go after market. I'm back on my Work wheels for the first time since getting tuned and wow... The 2010's are heavy as hell!
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Not to change the subject, but I was meaning to post this earlier... Anyone with 2010 MS3 stock wheels should definitely go after market. I'm back on my Work wheels for the first time since getting tuned and wow... The 2010's are heavy as hell!
good thing jerry...I was gonna call out anyone who's still on winters on their feline inclinations...lol...
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Come on man, don't judge me! I've been busy! :(
I'm glad I'm off 'em tho! Can't wait till the next stage lol.
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Finally feel comfortable posting in this section. As I said in the latest purchase thread on Friday, I just got a 2007 MS3. Taking a bit getting used to (never drove manual before) but looking forward to reading up on your guys experience with the car.
That being said, if anyone is ever out by the west end (Burlington/Oakville) and would be willing to give some pointers on getting the most out of it, I'd appreciate it :)
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Should have dropped by Krown Lakeshore!
but seriously, maybe get it Krowned if it hasn't been already. RMM is a must-have upgrade on these cars too. Did your speed 3 come with a fresh oil change from the dealer (synthetic 5W-30, not Mobil One)?
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Elusivellama
Should have dropped by Krown Lakeshore!
but seriously, maybe get it Krowned if it hasn't been already. RMM is a must-have upgrade on these cars too. Did your speed 3 come with a fresh oil change from the dealer (synthetic 5W-30, not Mobil One)?
Yeah, had a kinda annoying headache that early on Saturday plus still wasn't too confident learning the car yet :chuckle
Might have to wait on getting krowned and will have to look at RMM. I'm trying to get used to it stock first before doing anything major.
I'll have to email the dealer to find out about that one but it's due in terms of KM soon anyways so if it hadn't, I'll probably do it before I go to Ohio in June.
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Is the clutch takeup point for the 1st gen the same as the 2nd gen? I mean, did you find it a bit abrupt at first? For Krown, it's best to do it in the early spring when most corrosion really starts (warmer temps, wetter weather), and as for RMM it makes a significant difference in the way the car shifts. So you can get used to it while it's still in stock form, but you'll find it will feel like it shifts better after the RMM is in.
Yeah, I'd probably get the oil change sooner than later, it doesn't matter if the car is 'new' like mine, or used like yours. When I got my speed 3 from the dealer, it was stated that an oil change had been done on it. I checked the oil dipstick and the oil did look fresh, but it was still the semi-synthetic stuff mind you. I still intended to change the oil after 1500km, and in doing so brought it to Jimmy. We found out that a factory FoMoCo filter (black filter) was still there - implying that the factory FoMoCo filter had been on the car since its build date over a year ago. Unless they have a supply of fresh factory filters sitting around (which I doubt), I think they simply drained the oil and replaced it with new oil. It just seems to me that they should have replaced the filter, knowing the build date on my car. Oh, and the PDI guys missed 2 beehives - one in the intercooler hood scoop, another in the front passenger door hinges.
Go read the oil thread on here and go with one of the listed oils (I use pennzoil platinum 5W-30 because it has been shown to resist fuel dilution) and a good oil filter. More stuff off the top of my head...brand of gas is a personal choice, but I am now using Shell V-power for the 0% ethanol and the supposed nitrogen enriched cleaning stuff, which is also supposed to be better for direct-injected engines. Oh and add yourself to the MS3 registry!
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Elusivellama
Is the clutch takeup point for the 1st gen the same as the 2nd gen? I mean, did you find it a bit abrupt at first? For Krown, it's best to do it in the early spring when most corrosion really starts (warmer temps, wetter weather), and as for RMM it makes a significant difference in the way the car shifts. So you can get used to it while it's still in stock form, but you'll find it will feel like it shifts better after the RMM is in.
Yeah, I'd probably get the oil change sooner than later, it doesn't matter if the car is 'new' like mine, or used like yours. When I got my speed 3 from the dealer, it was stated that an oil change had been done on it. I checked the oil dipstick and the oil did look fresh, but it was still the semi-synthetic stuff mind you. I still intended to change the oil after 1500km, and in doing so brought it to Jimmy. We found out that a factory FoMoCo filter (black filter) was still there - implying that the factory FoMoCo filter had been on the car since its build date over a year ago. Unless they have a supply of fresh factory filters sitting around (which I doubt), I think they simply drained the oil and replaced it with new oil. It just seems to me that they should have replaced the filter, knowing the build date on my car. Oh, and the PDI guys missed 2 beehives - one in the intercooler hood scoop, another in the front passenger door hinges.
Go read the oil thread on here and go with one of the listed oils (I use pennzoil platinum 5W-30 because it has been shown to resist fuel dilution) and a good oil filter. More stuff off the top of my head...brand of gas is a personal choice, but I am now using Shell V-power for the 0% ethanol and the supposed nitrogen enriched cleaning stuff, which is also supposed to be better for direct-injected engines. Oh and add yourself to the MS3 registry!
Hmmm...good info. Will take a look into it all. Though I need to cut off spending for a bit to get a handle on things (unless stuff I will be selling soon sells fast).
I used to use 0w30 in my 08.5 GT and was happy with that. Might use that again in this one. Gas, I use PetroCan as it's easy access to me and with my citibank petro canada mastercard, I get 2cents off a liter which helps a bit.
Not sure if the clutch takeup point is the same. This is my first manual car so I'm learning in the first place so not sure how much help I'd be in that respect :chuckle
Trying to get a handle on things...too much info trying to learn all at once. Trying to ease myself into this :chuckle
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Iceman_F1
Hmmm...good info. Will take a look into it all. Though I need to cut off spending for a bit to get a handle on things (unless stuff I will be selling soon sells fast).
I used to use 0w30 in my 08.5 GT and was happy with that. Might use that again in this one. Gas, I use PetroCan as it's easy access to me and with my citibank petro canada mastercard, I get 2cents off a liter which helps a bit.
As long as the 0W-30 is a good synthetic oil (not Mobil One), I think you'll be ok. I wouldn't use dino or semi-synth for a turbo car. I have a costco amex, 2% off shell gas purchase is about equal to 2cents or higher per litre (since a percentage off gas purchases will ramp up as gas prices increase, while a fixed 2cents/litre will always remain 2 cents). I just filled up with 35L last night and paid $51. That's $1.02 I'll get as cashback. $1.02 / 35 = 0.029, which is 2.9 cents per litre I saved :)
As a side note, I calculated 9.7L/100km with 90% highway, the remaining 10% spent in the city, with a fair bit of spirited boosting at unnamed locations :P
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Not sure if the clutch takeup point is the same. This is my first manual car so I'm learning in the first place so not sure how much help I'd be in that respect :chuckle
Trying to get a handle on things...too much info trying to learn all at once. Trying to ease myself into this :chuckle
Yeah, that's usually the way it works, I drove the car stock for a couple of months before upgrading the RMM, and soon a CS SRI will be here and installed for summer.
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Elusivellama
As long as the 0W-30 is a good synthetic oil (not Mobil One), I think you'll be ok. I wouldn't use dino or semi-synth for a turbo car. I have a costco amex, 2% off shell gas purchase is about equal to 2cents or higher per litre (since a percentage off gas purchases will ramp up as gas prices increase, while a fixed 2cents/litre will always remain 2 cents). I just filled up with 35L last night and paid $51. That's $1.02 I'll get as cashback. $1.02 / 35 = 0.029, which is 2.9 cents per litre I saved :)
Yeah, that's usually the way it works, I drove the car stock for a couple of months before upgrading the RMM, and soon a CS SRI will be here and installed for summer.
0w30 is the German Castrol...so no, not Mobile One and is a full synthetic.
Still, 2 cents off a liter is still something at least. Just filled up this morning so I can gauge mileage vs my old 3. I figure if I get used to stock, I can see the difference (if any) adding mods does. Though based on my old shift knob in my auto, I know a bit heavier of a shift knob might benefit me...though still looking.
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I think that if you don't use boost at all, and shift out of 1st/2nd/3rd as soon as safely possible (without lugging the engine, you'll get a feel for it) you'll see very similar or slightly better fuel economy despite the car having a turbo.
I used to have a 2007 Mazda 3 GT, and my in-town fuel economy is very similar, or at least I don't notice the Speed 3 guzzling gas at a greater rate than my old car. They are both 2.3L engines after all, and the Speed 3's is direct-injected. Cruising around town in 4th is where it's at. Using cruise control on the highway is also a good idea.
But make sure you tap into the Dark Side every now and then, your car begs for it!
Yeah, I understand your reasoning, get a feel for stock and see what difference mods make. I know that when I got the CPE RMM installed, the vibes in-cabin went up and the A/C shook the steering wheel. It has since broken in and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Same for the JBR knob, the stock is pretty decent but at 265 grams it is a bit light. The JBR looks very much at home in my car (not a gaudy MOMO knob with useless little scalloped cutouts and design elements), the bevelled top and plastic-covered shift pattern are comfortable, and the circumferential rings add grip so that it doesn't slip out of your fingers.
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Elusivellama
I think that if you don't use boost at all, and shift out of 1st/2nd/3rd as soon as safely possible (without lugging the engine, you'll get a feel for it) you'll see very similar or slightly better fuel economy despite the car having a turbo.
I used to have a 2007 Mazda 3 GT, and my in-town fuel economy is very similar, or at least I don't notice the Speed 3 guzzling gas at a greater rate than my old car. They are both 2.3L engines after all, and the Speed 3's is direct-injected. Cruising around town in 4th is where it's at. Using cruise control on the highway is also a good idea.
But make sure you tap into the Dark Side every now and then, your car begs for it!
Yeah, I understand your reasoning, get a feel for stock and see what difference mods make. I know that when I got the CPE RMM installed, the vibes in-cabin went up and the A/C shook the steering wheel. It has since broken in and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Same for the JBR knob, the stock is pretty decent but at 265 grams it is a bit light. The JBR looks very much at home in my car (not a gaudy MOMO knob with useless little scalloped cutouts and design elements), the bevelled top and plastic-covered shift pattern are comfortable, and the circumferential rings add grip so that it doesn't slip out of your fingers.
Yeah, depending on the speed, I've been finding the right gear I think. 6th most of the drive on the highway, 5th if it dips a bit too low in speed, 4th most other places. So far my issues are the occasional stalling when starting as I haven't fully gotten the feel of it yet (that and the car jerking when starting when I don't stall it). Getting the hang of it pretty well considering I only really started learning Friday afternoon.
That said, I do enjoy tapping into the dark side so no issues there once I get the hang of things.
Might just break down and get that gear knob anyways. But I noticed it had a warning when first installing it...did you have any issues? I looked online to see the instructions and the fact it warns you you could damage things if you don't work it back and forth well enough is making me double guess myself. Unless you'd want to help me with this and then you could see the difference between 1st and 2nd gen? :D
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I wouldn't worry at all about the warning as long as you follow the instructions carefully. If you simply put the aluminum adapter on the shifter rod and start wrenching it into place without using oil, and without working it back and forth, the heat buildup and the aluminum shavings could cause damage.
It's very easy, really, and there is no danger if you do it properly. Get some machine oil (I used sewing machine oil, or something equivalent) and put a little bit on the inside of the adapter, then work the oil into the threads. Screw the adapter onto the shifter rod by hand until you encounter resistance. Put a drop of oil into the top of the adapter. Using your 6 point wrench, start tightening the adapter until you start to reach resistance, then back it off by about half a turn. Repeat this process a few times, adding new oil to the top of the adapter hole after a little while. You'll want to bring a paper towel because you want to keep adding oil constantly, you're cutting new grooves into the aluminum adapter and the oil is essential for lubrication.
The ultimate goal is to get the adapter down on the shifter rod *just* low enough that the top of the shifter rod pokes out a little bit over the adapter hole. This will take about 10 - 20 min, carefully working the adapter back and forth. There is nothing complicated at all about this procedure, just take your time to do it carefully and you'll be ok.
Once the adapter is in the correct position, start turning the jamb nut on the knob until it is all the way inside, then use a big flathead screwdriver to turn it the rest of the way. Screw the shift knob onto the adapter until it is snug, but do NOT use any hard pressure to tighten it. The jamb nut on the inside controls how far down you can screw the shift knob, and you will need to adjust it one way or the other in order to get the shift pattern lined up in the final position. Once it is in the final tilted position (tilted up to the right by a little bit), complete the procedure by applying hard pressure to tighten the knob into place, which aligns the shift pattern and locks the jamb nut against the adapter.
Honestly, JBR's instructions are extremely straightforward, and his warning is a disclaimer against people who simply tighten the adapter without working it back and forth.
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Re: Random MS3 Chat Thread
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Iceman_F1
if anyone is ever out by the west end (Burlington/Oakville) and would be willing to give some pointers on getting the most out of it, I'd appreciate it :)
Shift at 5500 rpm if you're stock or else the car will fall flat on it's face.
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Re: Random MS3 Chat Thread
Has anyone bought any CP-E SRI intakes that they haven't installed yet, or are looking to get rid of? I'm in need of an intake ASAP and if you bought one and haven't installed it yet, can I buy it off/order you a replacement?
