Random MS3 Chat Thread

[Hyperion]

I'm not sure what bit Celestspeed's butt. We we're talking and joking around last night with my girlfriend, all of a sudden he's a little offended.
I by no means try and fool people into thinking that I'm a mechanic. Any that I do suspension work in fact, I tell them that I am not.
But are we saying that if joe blow was to put angel eyes into his headlights, use them for a year, and then sell them, he would be responsible for the next persons car fire.?
I think I've swapped maybe 2 suspensions this year, the majority of my work has been small things like painting calipers and hella horns.
Are you a licensed mechanic Celestspeed? Because I remember you charging me $200 to swap my suspension.

[Fobio]

Back on topic: Low Balling.

[SomeGuy]

YOU DO NOT BRING NATOR INTO THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN UTTER THAT TERM.

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[MS3Edge]

Back on topic: Low Balling.

First hand experience with this. As all are aware I just traded my car and had all parts up for sale. I will say that there were quite a few people that tried to lowball when parts we all still almost new. Yes they are used. But some examples are V3 ap lists at 675 usd I had up for 550 Canadian and someone tried to get for 475. I won't name names but I will say there are more lowballers on this forum that people will admit to. And that is just one example of many with the parts I had up for sale. There were also a few members that were great to deal with and I would recommend them to anyone .

[SomeGuy]

YOU DO NOT BRING NATOR INTO THIS. YOU DO NOT EVEN UTTER THAT TERM.

Also for the record, a post like this isn't much in the spirit of it either. It's speed owners helping speed owners...and I do a god damn lot of that so I can mention it all the **** I want.

[Fobio]

Also for the record, a post like this isn't much in the spirit of it either. It's speed owners helping speed owners...and I do a god damn lot of that so I can mention it all the **** I want.

No you don't.

And you think this is about you. But let me indulge you for a moment...

You bitched that no one spoon fed you back in the day when I told you the best thing to do is to read MSF.

You bitched about...

Ay...**** it...I have no time for you. This is about low-balling, but you just can't handle that there's something going on that doesn't involve you.

[CelestSpeed3]

I'm pissed off at the fact that everyone tries to low ball everyone else. Like I posted stuff up at 1/3-1/2 of the price of new. That doesn't even include shipping or duties. Yet people try to offer me even less than that after we meet up in person. Then complain about shit that doesn't matter. "Oh the part is dirty, $50 off" that shit makes me just want to through the parts out. I'm not supporting that low balling crap. If you can'tafford something don't bother waisting anyone's time. I drive across the city in rush hour to have people waste my time and piss me off.

Not to mention even after I help you out with tons of shit you have the nerve to lie to me to back out of the deal. I went to look at 2013 Skyactivhheadlights today. They are the same as mine. So really I should have let you sink. When you broke suspension parts and the job went bad who talked you through it. Me. Who's fender roller did you borrow for those big group buy roll sessions and shaft me on our agreement. Then you still low ball me when I sold it to you. Now I'm just sick of your shit. You tried to do the same thing with my brakes. I was going to sell them to you for 1/3 or brand new and you again tried to low ball. If you can't afford it don't do it. Simple as that, then you make it seem like because I work hard and make money it's okay to low ball me. Then you start this whole hyper install bullshit and you borrow my tools to get it started then screw me on the work by undercutting everything. You had me do the install on your car so you could see what I was doing and then stole the work from me. **** off and learn shit on your own.

There I let it out and I'm done.

You can't whine and clean it up this time, now everyone can know the truth.

[Lmmorden]

I'm pissed off at the fact that everyone tries to low ball everyone else. Like I posted stuff up at 1/3-1/2 of the price of new. That doesn't even include shipping or duties. Yet people try to offer me even less than that after we meet up in person. Then complain about shit that doesn't matter. "Oh the part is dirty, $50 off" that shit makes me just want to through the parts out. I'm not supporting that low balling crap. If you can'tafford something don't bother waisting anyone's time. I drive across the city in rush hour to have people waste my time and piss me off.

Not to mention even after I help you out with tons of shit you have the nerve to lie to me to back out of the deal. I went to look at 2013 Skyactivhheadlights today. They are the same as mine. So really I should have let you sink. When you broke suspension parts and the job went bad who talked you through it. Me. Who's fender roller did you borrow for those big group buy roll sessions and shaft me on our agreement. Then you still low ball me when I sold it to you. Now I'm just sick of your shit. You tried to do the same thing with my brakes. I was going to sell them to you for 1/3 or brand new and you again tried to low ball. If you can't afford it don't do it. Simple as that, then you make it seem like because I work hard and make money it's okay to low ball me. Then you start this whole hyper install bullshit and you borrow my tools to get it started then screw me on the work by undercutting everything. You had me do the install on your car so you could see what I was doing and then stole the work from me. **** off and learn shit on your own.

There I let it out and I'm done.

You can't whine and clean it up this time, now everyone can know the truth.

I no lowball!

[breakfasteatre]

bitch mods, keep that post up

[CelestSpeed3]

I no lowball!

You were great. I hope your car becomes the way you see it in your mind. It will be epic.

[Lmmorden]

You were great. I hope your car becomes the way you see it in your mind. It will be epic.

Eventually..... Eventually......
Oh I got the vibes now... More noise than vibes

[Hyperion]

I'm pissed off at the fact that everyone tries to low ball everyone else. Like I posted stuff up at 1/3-1/2 of the price of new. That doesn't even include shipping or duties. Yet people try to offer me even less than that after we meet up in person. Then complain about shit that doesn't matter. "Oh the part is dirty, $50 off" that shit makes me just want to through the parts out. I'm not supporting that low balling crap. If you can'tafford something don't bother waisting anyone's time. I drive across the city in rush hour to have people waste my time and piss me off.

Not to mention even after I help you out with tons of shit you have the nerve to lie to me to back out of the deal. I went to look at 2013 Skyactivhheadlights today. They are the same as mine. So really I should have let you sink. When you broke suspension parts and the job went bad who talked you through it. Me. Who's fender roller did you borrow for those big group buy roll sessions and shaft me on our agreement. Then you still low ball me when I sold it to you. Now I'm just sick of your shit. You tried to do the same thing with my brakes. I was going to sell them to you for 1/3 or brand new and you again tried to low ball. If you can't afford it don't do it. Simple as that, then you make it seem like because I work hard and make money it's okay to low ball me. Then you start this whole hyper install bullshit and you borrow my tools to get it started then screw me on the work by undercutting everything. You had me do the install on your car so you could see what I was doing and then stole the work from me. **** off and learn shit on your own.

There I let it out and I'm done.

You can't whine and clean it up this time, now everyone can know the truth.

1. Those headlights you were going to sell to me.... ya..... about those.
a. Screws were missing from the AFS portion which would lead the bulb and light to bounce on every bump you hit.
b. There's a shitton of silicone on the outside of the headlights which I would have to remove, because I could never send that to another person. All of my headights look oem when I sell them.
c. There was condensation inside the headlight...which even your super amount of silicone couldn't stop apparently.
d. The ballast was missing
e. The wiring from the ballast to the low beams was missing
f. The cap on the back of the low/hi beams was missing
g. The connection clips from the wiring harness to the AFS motor has 4 wires on yours and 2 on the others I've worked on, if you want I'll pull out GWN's headlights and show you.
Why would I spend $500 on lights with all of these things wrong. If you had to me that it was missing all of these things, I would have told you not to bother. I told you to try and sell it to someone else instead.

2. You told me you were too busy for fender rolling, you even said you told people to ask me. So here I am, offering fender rolling services. Before I bought it off of you I was giving you $30 out of every $80 I earned per roll. That's almost 50% cut for doing nothing.
And stole all your business? I'm installing footwell lights tonight.... you offering footwell light install services now? Better become a sponsor on your own to offer those services publicly on TM3.

3. I asked you how much you wanted for your fender roller, you said to make an offer. I offered $250 and you can use it whenever you want. You didn't say anything back and now I have a fender roller. I believe I even said that anyone who you would let borrow it for free could still borrow it.

4. I asked you if you had speed 3 calipers to sell you said "No, I don't have any" and I replied "Shame kk".
ALSO, some picture, I asked you if there was condensation in your headlights and you said no. I spotted it in half a second when I saw your headlights for the first time.

5. I stripped 1 thread on a suspension and I asked you the size of the tap needed. You let me borrow it because it was a specialty order item and I'm thankful that you did.

6. When I began all of this you told me just to watch out because people will try and take advantage of me, now no one is taking advantage of me and I have a reputation as a person who can be trusted with other people's cars. I'm Sorry?

7. Stole work from you? It's not my fault Jimmy charges $160 for a coil swap and you charge $200. On your advice I tried to charge $200 too. But BOTH people went to Jimmy. So now I match his price.

8. I never lowballed you. I asked you your price, you said it, and I didn't counter offer.
Does it look like I counter offered you anything? Nope.
I can't use your O2 sensors, so why would I pay for them, and then risk ****ing up the pipe when I take them out?

I'm a very active member on this forum and I like to think I contribute a fair bit. Don't come out of hiding to bitch and moan because someone didn't want to buy your broken headlights.

ALSO
I found a buyer for your FMIC and Crash bar that you wanted to sell to me but I declined because I didn't want to get rid of my oem crash bar but you never sent the picture.

[SomeGuy]

No you don't.

And you think this is about you. But let me indulge you for a moment...

You bitched that no one spoon fed you back in the day when I told you the best thing to do is to read MSF.

You bitched about...

Ay...**** it...I have no time for you. This is about low-balling, but you just can't handle that there's something going on that doesn't involve you.

I didn't think it was about me...the install thing I knew wasn't me either. Just commenting from my perspective on members doing installs for others (ie what I do for others).

I also did read and ask on MSF; surprise surprise, I got some help from the likes of Lex, Enki, rfinkle2 and others without people telling me to shutup/search.

I know some of you mspeed guys don't like me much, but whatever, can't make everyone happy, although I would certainly be happier if the shit between us ended. I honestly don't have anything against you guys except the attitude you take towards me and apparently others on here.

[Fobio]

I didn't think it was about me...the install thing I knew wasn't me either. Just commenting from my perspective on members doing installs for others (ie what I do for others).

I also did read and ask on MSF; surprise surprise, I got some help from the likes of Lex, Enki, rfinkle2 and others without people telling me to shutup/search.

I know some of you mspeed guys don't like me much, but whatever, can't make everyone happy, although I would certainly be happier if the shit between us ended. I honestly don't have anything against you guys except the attitude you take towards me and apparently others on here.

Again...you can't stop talking about yourself. You're disliked because you talk too much and get up in everything...and you know just enough to be dangerous. There are many others on here, that know a lot more than you, comment when they need to and have no need to show the world how much they know.

What are we doing here? Addressing low-balling that plagues all MS3 owners from the get go...MZ3 guys pegging us and bitching to the mods that MS3 guys "over-price" our shit. We are helping the group as a whole...and you can't stop talking about yourself. You can't stop talking about yourself in other ppl's tuning questions, including posting your own VD...you can't stop talking about yourself in other ppl's dyno's...and you prolly need to get the last word in after this.

If shit does need to come from your keyboard, then share an instance you had someone low-ball you and how you responded...specific details would help. Cuz I bet there are at least 3 other MS3 guys with the exact same story...for every single effing part that we put up on here....whether priced correctly or at cut throat.

[Kiyomi]

cant we all just get along. ms3 and mz3 owners.

[SomeGuy]

Again...you can't stop talking about yourself. You're disliked because you talk too much and get up in everything...and you know just enough to be dangerous. There are many others on here, that know a lot more than you, comment when they need to and have no need to show the world how much they know.

What are we doing here? Addressing low-balling that plagues all MS3 owners from the get go...MZ3 guys pegging us and bitching to the mods that MS3 guys "over-price" our shit. We are helping the group as a whole...and you can't stop talking about yourself. You can't stop talking about yourself in other ppl's tuning questions, including posting your own VD...you can't stop talking about yourself in other ppl's dyno's...and you prolly need to get the last word in after this.

If shit does need to come from your keyboard, then share an instance you had someone low-ball you and how you responded...specific details would help. Cuz I bet there are at least 3 other MS3 guys with the exact same story...for every single effing part that we put up on here....whether priced correctly or at cut throat.

LoL pot calling kettle black? The irony:

There are many others on here, that know a lot more than you, comment when they need to and have no need to show the world how much they know.

You sure showed me how much you "know" about me.

For the small number of TM3 members that dislike me there are many many more who don't...For instance, 8 people mentioning me in this thread (more than anyone else mentioned) as I'm always willing to help.
http://www.torontomazda3.ca/forum/sh...lping-members)

Fact is, I was trying to open a chance to make peace...

I know some of you mspeed guys don't like me much, but whatever, can't make everyone happy, although I would certainly be happier if the shit between us ended. I honestly don't have anything against you guys except the attitude you take towards me and apparently others on here.

Happier if the shit ended....NOTHING against you guys except the attitude....and all I get is more attitude back.



But sure, "on topic" nobody will buy my CAI and TIH for a reasonable price.

[fywdyl]

In a nutshell, what fobio is trying to say is...

NATOR != helping someone else install stuff

[SomeGuy]

In a nutshell, what fobio is trying to say is...

NATOR != helping someone else install stuff

From MSF:

Nator, the pay it forward, Fraternity. NATOR is a simple concept of fellow enthusiast, helping other enthusiast. Its about organizing get togethers, helping each other install parts and a brotherhood. Why charge to help someone who has the same interests as you? We are an involved community, a social network to bring together persons, who become friends, offline and make a connection.

Hmm.

Really though, I said "NATOR basis" as in I apply the same concept (helping the community and paying it forward) but not like I represent NATOR in any way. The thing is, I don't care if you're on MSF, a VIP, own a MS3, or a member of some frat...just that you're a fellow car enthusiast who wants to work on their vehicle and will help out again in the future, honestly that should be enough! Besides, this is TM3...I'd like to think we are far friendlier and in some ways more closely knit than other mazda boards and it shows in some of the great members on here.

[Fobio]

Lookie what I found. The "ignore..." button. Much better.

Let's get back to matters at hand.

Of course, many of you know that I was once passed a fake $50. The thread has been deleted, so it's also understandable that some don't. I also sell used parts, as a member in the general classifieds. I post an ad to sell something that I bought at $300 + tax @ $200, which is stil cheaper than the stores selling a refurbished unit @ $200 + tax. Anyway, it's reasonable to say that there's wide gap of perceived value on here. We have ppl driving Mazda's and even some that no longer do on here posting about what watch they own...I find it funny. I find a lot of things...funny.

Anyway. I find, and I want to share this sentiment that many feel that TM3 isn't really the best place to sell. They then price their items at their bottom line, hoping to avoid the inevitable low-balling back and forth, and they still get back offers that are unreasonable. This is a result of the difference in value perception and it's not my place to set the market place. Having said that, I was more than happy to put money where my mouth is and bought items to prevent erosion of perceived value. Needless to say, TM3 then becomes an hostile environment to honest sellers. They then resort to facebook or kijiji...or even throwing stuff out at the dumps.

The mods will of course instruct us to use the feedback system. Speaking from a personal perspective, I don't even bother. I have enough stuff around and I can put them to good use and afford to not sell. So what's the beef?

Besides personal squabbles, do we have a proactive way to make light of this predicament? I jokingly suggested a shamimg thread...

What would qualify for that? When items are priced 50% of new and someone offering you 20% of that...*let me break that down for you, new list price @ $1500, selling offer = $500, you offer = $100...there's a problem. And it's kinda...funny.

[geobur]

Why you so mad bro...tell them they are lowballing and move on like an adult. Are we 16 and in high school we have to publicly shame people?? I know let's start a Facebook group to hate on low ballers. You are an adult use your words. Tell them to their face they are low balling and say you won't go lower than $x...don't drive to meet them if you think they are going to low ball you...make them come to you they are the ones getting a deal on the part.

Jesus so much hostility in this thread, when common decency or common sense should have prevented all this squabbling.

[greyseason]

what a shaming thread does, either good or bad, is that it hold the individual member accountable for their actions. It creates a place (tm3) that if full of real, honest people. And most of us are good, but i see 'members' that have 3 posts looking for shit. If youre selling something, you dont screen whos buying what

[Fobio]

Why you so mad bro...tell them they are lowballing and move on like an adult. Are we 16 and in high school we have to publicly shame people?? I know let's start a Facebook group to hate on low ballers. You are an adult use your words. Tell them to their face they are low balling and say you won't go lower than $x...don't drive to meet them if you think they are going to low ball you...make them come to you they are the ones getting a deal on the part.

Jesus so much hostility in this thread, when common decency or common sense should have prevented all this squabbling.

Let me see..you drive an MZ3? lol

Hostility...the true issue here is not hostility by my post...there's some real palpable underlying issues here...that's causing true hostility here. Sure, I call bullshit for what it is and it has temporarily detracted the conversation, but that was well deserved.

My idea addresses the underlying hostility caused by a lack of common sense and common courtesy that many on here expect AMONGST FRIENDS. I think if you take a step back [maybe even look in the mirror] and realize the true hostility that came out in this thread, and realize that my idea is to address what has become an hostile environment for honest sellers into an environment that acknowledges these issues and for a way for ppl to address them...rather than have it stew and come out as vitriolic posts that gets dudes like you riled up over nothing.

Oh...and if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen...you don't see MS3 guys on here bitching about anything I've posted...except that lone wolf who bitches about everything...

And don't get it twisted...some MZ3 guys might feel this is directed towards them, but hey...lotsa MS3 guys low ball too and this also addresses that. But mostly, for those who've been around, dudes like azn_outlaw from back in the day made it a habit to snipe MS3 sales, on wait, you've only been around for less than 2 yrs...so I wouldn't be surprised if the majority if you have no idea what the hell is going on. Go back to the Friday Post Whore thread...that's where the circle jerk is.

[Fobio]

what a shaming thread does, either good or bad, is that it hold the individual member accountable for their actions. It creates a place (tm3) that if full of real, honest people. And most of us are good, but i see 'members' that have 3 posts looking for shit. If youre selling something, you dont screen whos buying what

At most, ppl don't sell to someone and we get a laugh out of the ridiculous low balling...at best, that dude changes his way. This is less hostile than say, so-called friends low balling, then hostility simmers and it gets blown out of proportion onto everyone's face...as demonstrated by posts in this thread...

If this was meant to be hostile...I would've created a thread and named names. This is on a random thread for a reason.

[Fobio]

In a nutshell, what fobio is trying to say is...

NATOR != helping someone else install stuff

I didn't even get to address the NATOR issue. Thank you for pointing it out.

Also, someone who truly understands NATOR, the true struggles and how it was brought about, wouldn't use the term loosely, like "googling" or in jest.

Some ppl just don't get it...but by attaching a label to themselves, all of a sudden, they think they know it all.

[Fobio]

Let me share another funny story before heading out to dyno day.

You guys know why I started posting on TM3? I joined TM3 before I got my hands on my car. It was winter and I was looking for floor mats and snow tires. I found a guy on kijiji moving out and selling his snow tires and floor mats. I called him up, arranged the deal, showed up as agreed with amount agreed upon. Clean deal...he was so happy to clean up, he threw in his floor mats for no charge. I asked him if he has more stuff to get rid of and he said yeah. I asked him why he didn't sell on TM3 and he told me he didn't want to deal with "the punks" on here. I was new, so I didn't see it like that. I asked one of the mods, Joe, to post up his remaining item for me, because I didn't have enough post counts then...as the price, I think it was for a gas cap door, was really good but just not something I wanted.

6 yrs later...I am addressing this...almost on his behalf.