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    Toyota problems surfaced in 2004: documents

    12/04/2010 10:42:09 AM


    A lawsuit against Toyota Canada has exposed new evidence the carmaker was aware of automatic transmission problems in Lexus, Camry, Sienna and Highlander vehicles as early as 2004, CBC News has learned.

    The statement of claim, filed in Ontario Superior Court by a Toronto woman who was injured in an accelerator-related car crash in 2005, reveals Toyota was scrambling at the time to upgrade software to fix mysterious accelerator problems including "lurching," "jerking," and "hesitation."

    "It's to the point where he gets whiplash from the vehicle," states one customer complaint documented in the lawsuit, which heads to court Tuesday.

    The lawsuit highlights complaints raised five years before Toyota's current woes. In August 2009, Toyota Motor Company of Japan recalled millions of Toyota and Lexus vehicles worldwide amidst growing complaints of mysterious cases of rapid-acceleration and sticking gas pedals.

    The accident at the heart of the Toronto lawsuit landed Karen Stekel in hospital in April 2005. She and her husband, Maurice, are suing Toyota Canada and Scarborough Lexus for more than $1 million for the pain, friction burns, bruising and complications that continue to plague her.

    "I don't know how it happened," said Karen Stekel, recalling the crash, which happened near her winter home in Aventura, Fla., north of Miami. "I put my foot on the accelerator, and I flew. I went into the tree, the car was totalled. I was extracted on a backboard, with a neck brace."

    The Stekels claim Toyota knew about problems with their car - the 2004 Lexus ES 330 model - and problems involving other Lexus vehicles, and that it failed to warn customers or issue a recall.

    Maurice Stekel says he noticed problems with his car on the day he leased it, in June 2004.

    "As I drove off the lot, I turned the corner and then I noticed that the car seemed to hesitate and then would lurch forward," he said.

    Toyota service records show he returned the car four separate times to complain about "hesitation" and problems with the accelerator.

    "They should have taken the car back," he said.

    Trove of internal documents

    The Stekels aren't alone in their complaints.

    Toyota Canada has been forced to produce reams of internal documents in response to the Stekels' four-year court fight. Among the materials are more than a dozen complaints from 2004 from other owners of the same Lexus ES model who reported everything from "hesitation when accelerating" at low speeds to "whiplash," "lurching" and unexplained "jerking."

    In May 2004, Toyota Canada's Lexus Division launched an investigation into what they termed "shift shock," flagging it as "one of [their] Top 10 concerns." Their report concludes they did not think "transmission shift quality on the ES 330 is acceptable for the Canadian market."

    The next month, documents show, officials from Toyota Motor Corp. in Japan held a series of technical meetings. They, too, identified as a "product issue" the shift quality of five-speed automatic transmissions not just in Lexus, but in Camry, Sienna and Highlander models as well.

    Toyota Canada has refused the CBC's multiple requests for an interview. On Friday, a media-relations spokesperson sent a short email:

    "We do not believe it is appropriate for us to comment on matters before the courts. We are defending this action vigorously and are confident this claim will be judged on its merits."

    Toyota Canada has filed a statement of defence, which rejects the Stekels' claims and instead blames Karen Stekel for either driver error, or being drunk or on drugs while behind the wheel.

    Toyota attempted software fixes

    Toyota documents show that in the summer of 2004, Lexus dealerships found themselves fending off growing numbers of angry customers demanding their money back over accelerator/transmission problems. High-level Toyota engineers and executives gathered for their "North American Technical Service Strategy Meetings" and reported it had become "franchise-threatening" for dealerships.

    "These dealers are shielding us from many complaints and buybacks with some hope that we are going to make an improvement soon," the minutes from those meetings state. "If they stop trying to take care of customers complaining, the numbers of complaints/buybacks will be astronomical."

    Toyota tried multiple times to fix the accelerator/transmission issues with new software, but failed on several upgrades to find a way to permanently correct the problem, the documents show.

    Toyota won't release report

    "Toyota has never accepted what happened to her [Karen Stekel], and they're litigating this case quite vigorously," said Ted Charney, Karen Stekel's lawyer.

    He hopes that in light of all the recent attention on Toyota's recalls over faulty floor mats and sticky accelerators, the company may reconsider its position.

    "Karen is so outraged by all the new information that has come forward which, in her view, vindicates what she's always felt happened to her in this case."

    Before Stekel's crash, Lexus mechanics in Toronto did find evidence of "shift shock" as they tried to fix the Stekels' car in early 2005.

    Assured it had been dealt with, the Stekels drove the car to Florida just two months before the crash.

    Toyota Canada hired an investigator to assess the transmission and computer of the Stekels' now-destroyed Lexus, but the company has refused to produce the findings.

    The Stekels' lawyers will be in court Tuesday in Toronto, seeking to expand their claim to include the manufacturer, Toyota Japan, and to seek additional punitive damages.

    The Stekels' lawyer has asked Toyota Canada directly why there was never a recall of the Lexus acknowledging countrywide complaints of hesitation and lurching.

    "It's not a safety issue," Roger Ebanks, the 2004 national manager of technical operations for Toyota Canada, has replied, according to the documents.


    http://news.sympatico.cbc.ca/Local/O...awsuit-toronto

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    I could confirm that some of that is true as my father has an 04 camry V6 with the 5 speed tranny. especially with the shifting and lurching, its really not that bad but its noticeable. BUT you can control those problems with better control of the gas pedal. We do have the latest software upgrade for the car. This is BS she crashed because she cant drive.

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    we have a camry as our rental right now and it's been painful for my wife as it will suddenly lurch as well and its brand new, can't imagine how bad the old SW was

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    Default Re: Toyota problems surfaced in 2004.

    when did it lurch? was it right after a stop sign or a rolling stop then immediately on the gas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by em3 View Post
    when did it lurch? was it right after a stop sign or a rolling stop then immediately on the gas?
    my rental? right after a stop is the most abrubt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoriginalusername View Post
    my rental? right after a stop is the most abrubt
    yep the rental. i thought so, its the same with my fathers camry. try to be a little lighter on the gas after a stop or rolling stop then gradually give it more gas. worked wonders for me, no more jerk. but it sucks that we have to adjust our driving style because of this problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoriginalusername View Post
    my rental? right after a stop is the most abrubt
    Why don't you drive a rental car and let her drive your car. You heard a lot of stories about Toyota. In case it accident accelerator, I think you can handle better than her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htc*** View Post
    Why don't you drive a rental car and let her drive your car. You heard a lot of stories about Toyota. In case it accident accelerator, I think you can handle better than her.
    What car? We sold the MS3 and our 5 was/is being written off as we speak. The Camry is the rental from insurance while the 5 gets sorted out, but yes i have been doing most of the driving in case we need to pop it into neutral in the event of some unintended accelearation. I just don't trust toyota, don't know why people are still flocking to the dealership to buy them at 0%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unoriginalusername View Post
    What car? We sold the MS3 and our 5 was/is being written off as we speak. The Camry is the rental from insurance while the 5 gets sorted out, but yes i have been doing most of the driving in case we need to pop it into neutral in the event of some unintended accelearation. I just don't trust toyota, don't know why people are still flocking to the dealership to buy them at 0%
    Sorry, I didn't know you only have 1 car. It's about time for shopping the new car while the insurance sort it out.

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